Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #186 From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU Date: Mon, 30 Aug 93 15:13:10 EDT Linux-Activists Digest #186, Volume #6 Mon, 30 Aug 93 15:13:10 EDT Contents: 1 Mbit/s floppy cont. (matthias@psgfra.pre-soft.de) Re: help with system to run unix (Peter Holzer) Linux and Tcsh: Soooo Funny!! (A Joke) Re: Can't run emacs (Rich Mulvey) Re: NOTICE: COMP.OS.LINUX TO BE DELETED (Keith B. Kee) Re: 486DX50 or 486DX266 (Engels, G.) Windows & SLS?? (Erik Proper) linux on cd (Chi-Hwa Marcos) where's xfig for linux (Shaogang Gong) Re: help with system to run unix (Andrew R. Tefft) linux and dos partition (Chi-Hwa Marcos) Probs with SQ-01 SCSI / SLS 10.3 (Holger Schemel) Ada1742 + Wangtek 5150ES (Karl Keyte, ESOC Darmstadt) Specmarks for Linux ? (Mark D. Austin) Re: LIL....... ( and thats all) (Guru Aleph_Null) Re: X & ATI GUP (Geoffrey Furnish) dosemu won't work (un025122@wvnvms.wvnet.edu) Re: help with system to run unix (Andreas Klemm) SLS and networking {Q} (Jim Vienneau - Sun Microsystems) Re: X & ATI GUP (Hina Patel) oleo 1.5 hangs m/c 8-( (Derek Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: matthias@psgfra.pre-soft.de Subject: 1 Mbit/s floppy cont. Date: 30 Aug 1993 13:51:11 +0100 Hello, This might be asked before, but I can't read this newsgroup - so please give me an answer if you can. I have tried to use the high speed floppy mode (1 MBit/s), which is already implemnted in the newest kernel release (0.99pl11). Unfortunately, I don't know what values I have to put in for the two gap's (see linux/kernel/blk_dev/floppy.c file_type[]). Can anybody give me the correct values? Please send any answers/suggestions to: max@pre-soft.de ------------------------------ From: hp@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Peter Holzer) Crossposted-To: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.os.minix,alt.amateur-comp Subject: Re: help with system to run unix Date: 30 Aug 1993 12:04:13 GMT root@fusion.cuc.ab.ca (Superuser) writes: >A few days ago, I told a computer-salesman friend of mine that I was running >Unix on a 33 MHz 386- you should have seen the look on his face: complete and >utter disbelief! Contrary to popular belief, Unix runs just fine on a 386, >it runs even better on a 486, but it still works fine on just a regular >386 (Hell, I'm still running Unix on an AT&T 3b1 (68010), and it runs fine >as well- the machine is more I/O limited (slow disk drive) than anything >else..). The key to running a Unix box smoothly is memory- the more you >have the better, forget the fancy 24-bit graphics cards and big disk caches >and other useless toys, get as much memory as you can afford, and then start >saving up for more! Absolutely true. I run Minix on a 25 MHz 386 with 8MB RAM and it runs just fine. Even though the VM-system doesn't support shared text (don't even speak of shared libraries) even X is usable (as long as you don't try to run xv and gcc at the same time while editing something :-). With 16MB it would be just bliss. I used to run a System III Unix (PC/IX) on an 8MHz 512k XT. It worked fine. I even did most of my C development under PC/IX, because the C compiler was so much faster than MSC under DOS. Unix isn't a resource hog (although Berkeley and AT&T did their best to make it one :-), although many applications (especially X programs) are. hp -- | _ | Peter J. Holzer | Think of it | | |_|_) | Technical University Vienna | as evolution | | | | | Computer Science/Real-Time Systems | in action! | | __/ | hp@vmars.tuwien.ac.at | Tony Rand | ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc From: karel@icce.rug.nl () Subject: Linux and Tcsh: Soooo Funny!! (A Joke) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 12:03:20 GMT Hi Linuxers: Just a semi-rancid joke to help you pass the day. You need the tcsh to run this; it won't work for bash users. So, if you do use bash: just startup a (temporary) tcsh and try it out. At the prompt, type: %blow The % is necessary. Then watch for the output.... [Har har.. bangs his head against the wall whilst laughing madly.] -- The ICCE usenet account providing access to usenet news for the ICCE Experience _WERKEN_AAN_DE_GRENZEN_VAN_HET_KUNNEN_ ------------------------------ From: rich@mulvey.com (Rich Mulvey) Subject: Re: Can't run emacs Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 08:20:40 EDT chris@chrism.demon.co.uk (Chris Marriott) writes: > I've just install the "base" SLS Linux (ie a,b,c disk sets), downloaded > today from tsx-11. Whenever I try to run emacs, there's a short (about > 1 second) delay, followed by the message > > "segmentation violation: core dumped" > > I'm a total novice to Linux, having had it running for about an hour :-) > I've read the FAQ and the emacs "man" page but can't find any clue to > this. Everything else that I've tried runs fine. > > Could anyone help, please? -- This should be a FAQ. :-) Install disk x1. You need some of the libraries on it for emacs to work. - Rich -- Rich Mulvey Amateur Radio: N2VDS 787 Elmwood Terrace rich@mulvey.com Rochester, NY 14620 ------------------------------ From: keith%gondor@concert.net (Keith B. Kee) Subject: Re: NOTICE: COMP.OS.LINUX TO BE DELETED Date: 30 Aug 1993 09:16:01 -0400 Reply-To: keith%gondor@concert.net (Keith B. Kee) Hi: Does this deletion affect the mailing list? If so, how do I subsribe to the new group? Thanks, keith keith@aisg.com ------------------------------ From: EngelsG@uni-duesseldorf.de (Engels, G.) Subject: Re: 486DX50 or 486DX266 Date: 30 Aug 1993 13:35:10 GMT >I am looking to buy a 486, mainly to run Linux. >I will also buy a caching controller and graphics accelerator cards with >a VL bus. >So which will give the best performance DX50 or DX266? >Or should I choose a 33/40 DX that is within the VLB specifications? The DX2/66 is within the VLB specifications because the VLB uses the external frequency of the processor (33Mhz). We use one DX50 and three DX2/ 66 computers and we found, even without a clock, that the DX2/66 is faster with the software we use. ------------------------------ From: erikp@cs.kun.nl (Erik Proper) Subject: Windows & SLS?? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 13:29:37 GMT Hi all, in the newest byte (sept issue), i found an add from SLS. It stated (among other things) to be abi & api compatible with windows 3.1 (no not even 3.0, but 3.1!). Is this true? (I it is, and it is stable - or stable within months ;-) - I might considere buying a faster notebook to run windows and linux). Erik -- |--------- ----- ----- ---- ---- ---- --- --- --- -- -- -- > | Erik Proper (erikp@zeus.cs.kun.nl), | University of Nijmegen, Department of Software Engineering, | Information Systems Group, Toernooiveld, NL-6525 ED Nijmegen, ------------------------------ From: john@valeron.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Chi-Hwa Marcos) Subject: linux on cd Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 13:41:04 GMT Where can I get cd rom version of linux? What is the cost? -- Chi-Hwa J Marcos email-john@trantor.harris-atd.com ------------------------------ From: sgg@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Shaogang Gong) Subject: where's xfig for linux Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 13:54:13 GMT is there a xfig for linux (XFree86)? i was trying to compile the standard one (taken from my Sun) but it crashes when i do make all. i wonder whether i need a special version of it that works for linux. thanks for any help. -- Shaogang Gong, Computer Science Department, Queen Mary and Westfield College, Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, England Email: sgg@dcs.qmw.ac.uk ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.os.minix,alt.amateur-comp From: teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com (Andrew R. Tefft) Subject: Re: help with system to run unix Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 13:58:01 GMT In article root@fusion.cuc.ab.ca (Superuser) writes: >else..). The key to running a Unix box smoothly is memory- the more you As usual, you can't just make this generalization. There are many different things that can bottleneck a system. Once you have "enough" memory, adding more doesn't improve your system's speed at all. Enough means enough that you don't swap in normal use. For me that has been 16 meg. I can't see me going over 16 unless someone gives me some for free. Well, perhaps the idea of "get as much as you can afford" is correct after all, since most people would cringe at $600-$800 for more than 16M. However I do agree with you that 8 is better than 4. The unfortunate thing about 8 is that with most motherboards that means filling all of your 8 simm slots with 1m simms -- then if you want to increase that, you have to get rid of your 1m simms. In some cases it may be worth paying a premium for a motherboard with a more flexible memory configuration (in my case, I found a buddy who wanted to buy a system and swapped memory with him in order to upgrade from 8 to 16M). For the purposes the original poster had described, 8M is plenty and 4M is probably sufficient. ------------------------------ From: john@valeron.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Chi-Hwa Marcos) Subject: linux and dos partition Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 14:12:23 GMT If I partition a portion of my dos drive for linux and later decide to remove the partition, would I be able to access the deleted partion in dos? Another words, can I access the entire drive without having to reformat the drive? Any help is appreciated. -- Chi-Hwa J Marcos email-john@trantor.harris-atd.com ------------------------------ From: q99492@pbhrzx.uni-paderborn.de (Holger Schemel) Subject: Probs with SQ-01 SCSI / SLS 10.3 Date: 30 Aug 93 15:11:18 GMT Hello Linuxers! I've installed Linux SLS 1.03 on a 486-PC which works fine. After installing the Seagate/SyQuest-SCSI-Host-Adapter SQ-01 to add a Quantum LPS 105 MB (works under DOS), I can still boot Linux (with LILO), but I can't boot the SLS A1 Bootdisk. I always get the following error: Error 0x04 When I recompile the kernel and allow ST-01/ST-02 support, the SQ-01 Host-Adapter is correctly found (as a ST-01) and the SCSI drive is found, too. But then the following message appeares: "scsi host timed out - aborted" Who has an idea about that which could help me? Mainly the error beeing unable to boot the SLS A1 disk seems very strange to me, as without the SQ-01 there are no problems.. Please send your hints, suggestions, etc. via EMAIL (as I don't read this group every day...) and maybe as a follow-up, if there were others with the same problem. Thanks for your help! Holger -- // Holger Schemel \X/ q99492@pbhrzx.uni-paderborn.de ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 16:24:13 CET From: Karl Keyte, ESOC Darmstadt Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.periphs.scsi Subject: Ada1742 + Wangtek 5150ES For Linux users only... I have an Adaptec 1742 SCSI controller with a Wangtek 5150ES QIC streamer. I am trying to use the tape under Linux with only some (useless) success. I would like to hear from anyone who is successfully using this equipment combination. PLEASE get in touch! Problem in a nutshell: mt -f /dev/rmt0 status FINE mt -f /dev/rmt0 fsf FINE tar cvf /dev/rmt0 . FINE tar tf /dev/rmt0 HANGS! tar xvf /dev/rmt0 HANGS! With the last couple of commands the tape turns for about 1 second and then stops. The system locks. The message (ow two!): SCSI Unit 2 timed out - Command aborted appears. Unit 2 is indeed my tape. Can somebody PLEASE help? Please contact me directly on: KKEYTE@ESOC.BITNET Thanks, Karl ------------------------------ From: austin@eecom.gatech.edu (Mark D. Austin) Subject: Specmarks for Linux ? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 15:37:29 GMT Greetings, Of course it depends on the machine, but has anyone heard of any benchmarks for Linux ? Someone was telling that with the right hardware, it is almost as fast as a Sun Sparc II. Is this right? Thanks, Mark -- Mark Austin Georgia Tech, School of Electrical Engineering, Atlanta, GA 30332-0250 E-MAIL: austin@eecom.gatech.edu PHONE: (404) 853-9370 ------------------------------ From: spj@ukelele.gcr.com (Guru Aleph_Null) Subject: Re: LIL....... ( and thats all) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 15:25:37 GMT dannyth@hacktic.nl writes: >In article <930828141232@spacetec.demon.co.uk> jsr@spacetec.demon.co.uk writes: >>Subject says it all really. >>Trying to install linux but when booting from disk a1.3 all we get is- >> >try installing lilo on /dev/hda instead of the first partition! >worked overhere ! Uh... one can hardly install LILO anywhere when the boot disk won't boot. :) >_____ >Danny >-- ><=====================================================================> >Danny ter Haar or >Robins law #103: 'a couple of lightyears can't part good friends' -- ========================================================================= Simon "Guru Aleph-Null" Janes |... don't crespt the weasal ... |... just think of the master ... |... feel the grass, softly ... ------------------------------ From: furnish@dino.ph.utexas.edu (Geoffrey Furnish) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: X & ATI GUP Date: 30 Aug 93 11:55:57 Previously I bumbled along thus: In article furnish@dino.ph.utexas.edu (Geoffrey Furnish) writes: I am having the same problem. SLS 1.02 worked fine. I think SLS forgot to build the ati driver into the server. Can anyone confirm this and explain how to fix it/replace it/whatever ??? This turns out to have been totally false, so I hope no one was misled. The ati driver /is/ there, I had some other problem. Sorry for the confusion. Geoff Furnish ------------------------------ From: un025122@wvnvms.wvnet.edu Subject: dosemu won't work Date: 30 Aug 93 12:52:31 EDT Hello, I got Linux working just fine! and everything is hunkydory until I tried running the dosemu thing. when I type dos* it doesn't run but I get lots of errors. I can't find any literature on t, but if anyone out there has it working, I would appreciate some advice. I'm kinda afraid to run the programs in the dosemu directory without knowing what they do exactly. I had enough problem installing Linux and I don't wanna trash the partition or something so son. so thanks and please email! J ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.os.minix,alt.amateur-comp From: andreas@knobel.knirsch.de (Andreas Klemm) Subject: Re: help with system to run unix Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 12:49:45 GMT Hello ! I have some *remarks* concerning local bus video cards in conjunction with bus mastering scsi controllers like the aha1542x. I have a 80486/33 EISA board with a normal local bus slot - no vesa local bus - and a ET4000-16 based local bus video card. X11 performance is _very_ bad when having disk i/o (nn, relaynews). drew@juliet.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) writes: >In article <25opra$ohe@news.ysu.edu> ag173@yfn.ysu.edu (Jay Hauben) writes: >>She has been quoted a price for a system at the upper limit of >>what she can afford. The system consists of the following >>components. Does anyone see in this system anything that would >>prevent her needs from being met? Might any of the components be >>too weak for what she wants to do? The forms of UNIX she might >>have available are Minix (which appears not to have uucp) >>and off the net Linux. She has a 2400 baud modem now and hopes to upgrade >>it and maybe buy a CD-ROM player and controller some time in the >>future when she is in a position to afford them. >> >>The system she has the quote for consists of: >> 5) 4 MB RAM expandable to 64 MB. (Should she insist on SIMM >> chips?) >Every modern system uses some form of SIMMs, 9 or 36 bits wide. BTW: Look for good 70ns 4 Mbit SIMM banks. >If she wants to run X, 8M is recommended, if she turns off all the >drivers she isn't using to reduce kernel bloat and doesn't run X, >4M will be useable. >>11a) Trident 1 MB SVGA video card with a DC 009 IDE controller >> card >Trident boards are dog slow. A cheap alternative (I've seen new for >for $60) would be a TSENG et4000 based board. Ok, perhaps better using some of the S3 Chip based Vga boards as the Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 ?! It certainly improves X11 performance a lot. >>11b) Genoa IMD VESA local bus graphics card with a VLB IDE >> controller card (for about $150 more). (Is there a significant >> advantage gained for the extra money even though she doesn't >> anticipate doing much graphics?) I wouldn't suggest using a local bus card in connection with an Adaptec SCSI controller which does DMA busmastering. I have here a ET4000 local bus card for testing. The cpu has to wait, if the SCSI controller does heavy disk/DMA activity, therefore X11 graphic output has to wait, too. Then when you have lot's of X11 window/scroll activity, the cpu does exclusively access to DRAM. I have the certain feeling, that local bus video cards and a scsi controller acting as bus master handicap each other !!!!! >If she wants to run X, I'd suggest going with 8M of memory, trading >the 486DX-33 for something slower like a FPU less Cyrix 486DLC or even >a 40Mhz AMD 386 as price concerns dictate. The overall performance >will be better when things run in real memory, not swap. 8 Mb is the absolute minimum ! better 12 or 16 MB !!! Really. -- /-\ Andreas Klemm +-----------------+ |@|########################################################-@ "pay for it !" | \-/ 41469 Neuss Germany phone +49/ 2137 12609 +-----------------+ ------------------------------ From: jimv@hienergy.East.Sun.COM (Jim Vienneau - Sun Microsystems) Subject: SLS and networking {Q} Date: 30 Aug 1993 17:55:09 GMT I have SLS 1.03 and am looking into networking. The FAQ says to look at the net2 FAQ. That says to get a whole bunch of stuff that seems to already be there? What do I really need? How do you enable the ethernet drivers? I uncommented the 3c503 stuff in .../inet/CONFIG and rebuilt the kernel. But I don't see the probing messages like I do when I boot the SLS A1 disk, should I? Any pointers appreciated! -- Jim Vienneau, Sun Microsystems Inc - Chelmsford, MA Email: jimv@east.sun.com, Amateur Radio: WB1B Good old Ma Bell (well old anyway): (508)442-0372 ------------------------------ From: hinakp@pilot.njin.net (Hina Patel) Subject: Re: X & ATI GUP Date: 30 Aug 93 18:29:25 GMT With SLS 1.03, I have got X working for ATI Ultra XLR. Here is Xconfig file. Don't change the clock settings, they work for most ATI cards. Good luck! # $XFree86: mit/server/ddx/x386/Xconfig.cpp,v 1.9 1993/03/27 09:03:01 dawes Exp $ # $XConsortium: Xconfig,v 1.2 91/08/26 14:34:55 gildea Exp $ # # Copyright 1990,91 by Thomas Roell, Dinkelscherben, Germany. # # Permission to use, copy, modify, distribute, and sell this software and its # documentation for any purpose is hereby granted without fee, provided that # the above copyright notice appear in all copies and that both that # copyright notice and this permission notice appear in supporting # documentation, and that the name of Thomas Roell not be used in # advertising or publicity pertaining to distribution of the software without # specific, written prior permission. Thomas Roell makes no representations # about the suitability of this software for any purpose. It is provided # "as is" without express or implied warranty. # # THOMAS ROELL DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO THIS SOFTWARE, # INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS, IN NO # EVENT SHALL THOMAS ROELL BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, INDIRECT OR # CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE, # DATA OR PROFITS, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE OR OTHER # TORTIOUS ACTION, ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR # PERFORMANCE OF THIS SOFTWARE. # # Author: Thomas Roell, roell@informatik.tu-muenchen.de # # Extensive modifications by the XFree86 Core Team # # ** Refer to the X386 man page for details about the format of this file ** # ** The X386 man page is installed as /usr/X386/man/man1/XFree86.1x ** # # # some nice paths, to avoid conflicts with other X-servers # RGBPath "/usr/X386/lib/X11/rgb" # # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are concatenated together), # as well as specifying multiple comma-separated entries in one FontPath # command (or a combination of both methods) # FontPath "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/" FontPath "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" # FontPath "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" # # Uncomment this to cause a core dump at the spot where a signal is # received. This may leave the console in an unusable state, but may # provide a better stack trace in the core dump to aid in debugging # # NoTrapSignals # # Enable this to use the XQUEUE driver for keyboard and mouse handling # under System V. This may go away in the future. # # Note - If you use XQUEUE, you must comment out the keyboard and # mouse definitions. # # Xqueue # # Keyboard and various keyboard-related parameters # Keyboard AutoRepeat 500 5 ServerNumLock # Xleds 1 2 3 # DontZap # # To set the LeftAlt to Meta, RightAlt key to ModeShift, # RightCtl key to Compose, and ScrollLock key to ModeLock: # # LeftAlt Meta # RightAlt ModeShift # RightCtl Compose # ScrollLock ModeLock # # Mouse definition and related parameters # Microsoft "/dev/mouse" #MouseSystems "/dev/mouse" #MMSeries "/dev/mouse" #MouseMan "/dev/mouse" #Logitech "/dev/mouse" #Busmouse "/dev/mouse" # BaudRate 9600 # SampleRate 150 Emulate3Buttons # # The graphics drivers # First the 8-bit colour SVGA driver # vga256 # # To disable SpeedUp, use NoSpeedUp # # NoSpeedUp # Virtual 1152 900 Virtual 1024 768 ViewPort 0 0 Modes "1024x768v" # # Next the 1-bit mono SVGA driver # vga2 Virtual 800 600 ViewPort 0 0 Modes "640x480" # Modes "800x600" "640x480" # # The Hercules driver. For Hercules, the only valid configuration option # is ScreenNo (refer to the manual page). # # hga2 #Chipset "et4000" #Chipset "et3000" #Chipset "gvga" #Chipset "pvga1" Displaysize 1024 728 #Screenno 0 #Vendor "legend" Videoram 1024 # Hardcode the clocks for faster more reliable startups. #Clocks 25 28 32 36 40 48 50 65 # Clocks 18 22 25 28 36 44 50 56 30 32 37 39 40 0 75 65 # And last, the database of video modes # ModeDB # OFFICIAL VESA Monitor timings + IBM Standards - TRY THESE FIRST # Contributor: Thomas Roell [roell@sgcs.com] # Last Edit Date: 3/29/92 # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags "640x480" 25 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525 31 640 664 704 832 480 489 492 520 "800x600" 36 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 50 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 # "1024x768i" 44 1024 1040 1216 1264 768 777 785 817 Interlace "1024x768v" 65 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 # "1024x768" 65 1024 1032 1176 1344 768 771 777 806 # 75 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 # 85 1024 1032 1152 1360 768 784 787 823 # "1280x1024i" 80 1280 1296 1512 1568 1024 1025 1037 1165 Interlace # "1280x1024" 110 1280 1328 1512 1712 1024 1025 1028 1054 # 135 1280 1312 1456 1712 1024 1027 1030 1064 "1152x900" 62 1152 1184 1288 1360 900 898 929 939 Interlace ------------------------------ From: derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk (Derek Jones) Subject: oleo 1.5 hangs m/c 8-( Date: 30 Aug 1993 15:00:55 -0400 Reply-To: derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk (Derek Jones) Hi, I compiled up oleo 1.5 (from prep) after doing a straight configure and two small tweaks, (PATH_MAX and random). When I run it it hangs my machine. This is entirely repeatable. Hey, - I'm having quite a few hangs here with pl12 *and* I have Linus' patches in... I've had it suggested that I have a hardware memory problem, - but that seems unlikely to me. Any thoughts wonderful folks? regards Derek Jones. System Manager. A.I. Vision Research Unit, Sheffield University, Western Bank, Sheffield. S10 2TN. U.K. Tel: (+44) (0)742 768555 X 6551 email: derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk FAX: (+44) (0)742 766515 ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Activists-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux) via: Internet: Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de pub/msdos/replace The current version of Linux is 0.99pl9 released on April 23, 1993 End of Linux-Activists Digest ******************************