Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #179 From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU Date: Sat, 28 Aug 93 13:13:13 EDT Linux-Activists Digest #179, Volume #6 Sat, 28 Aug 93 13:13:13 EDT Contents: Re: Cyrix 486DLC Processor (David Fox) Re: when is linux 1.0 coming out ? (David Fox) Re: Problems with Adaptec SCSI HD controller ver 152x (Drew Eckhardt) Re: Is there a TCP/IP for INTEL cards yet? (Donald J. Becker) Re: SCSI Performance (Yet Again) (hph@hphbbs.E.open.DE) [Q] How do you dial out from Linux? (Woloschuk David R) Re: [Q] How do you dial out from Linux? (Allen Mar) Re: Pascal for linux? (Yip Chi Lap [Beta]) Re: GCC 2.4.5 crashes whe (John Will) Terminal Scrolling (Tim Chandler) large file printing problems with lpr (Gert van der Zwan) Re: *UNBELIEVABLE PRICE* New 209 Meg Seagate Hard Drives $145.00!!!!! (Jim Dennis) Re: *UNBELIEVABLE PRICE* New 209 Meg Seagate Hard Drives $145.00!!!!! (Earlham College User(andrewh)) Re: NetBSD's ash as /bin/sh substitute on Linux (Ross Ridge) Re: Tracker 3.10 and Slackware (Mark Buckaway) Re: lpr cannot connect to lpd - Slackware 1.01 Re: *UNBELIEVABLE* (accsah@vaxa.hofstra.edu) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dfox@hip-hop.suvl.ca.us (David Fox) Subject: Re: Cyrix 486DLC Processor Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1993 02:04:56 GMT Ralph Sims (ralphs@halcyon.com) wrote: : williams@cs.curtin.edu.au (Bradley Williamson) writes: : >Could someone out there please tell me if Linux SLS/SLW has any problems with the 486SLC/DLC processor that goes unnoticed on an Intel. : I have linux with SLIP, etc. running on a Cyrix 486/40 laptop. No : problems that I can attribute the the processor. I did have to : disable the co-processor functions and use the emulator, however. : No biggie. For me that would be a 'biggie'. Are you saying that the Cyrix, since you couldn't use the floating point, is not compatible? (I thought that the Cyrix doesn't have an integrated FPU, so if Linux detects it as a 486, but doesn't see that it is missing an FPU, that's not _that_ of a big deal.) : -- : halcyon.com, Public Access Internet (Our T-1 lines are your T-1 lines) : Serving Seattle, Eastside, Everett, Lynwood, Olympia, Tacoma and Shelton : P.O. Box 40597, Bellevue, WA 98015, 1.206.455.3505 (1.800.539.3505) -- David E. Fox email: hip-hop!dfox@amdahl.com 5479 Castle Manor Drive San Jose, CA 95129 Thanks for letting me change the magnetic 408/ 253-7992 images on your hard drive. ------------------------------ From: dfox@hip-hop.suvl.ca.us (David Fox) Subject: Re: when is linux 1.0 coming out ? Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1993 02:23:06 GMT K111114@ALIJKU11.BITNET wrote: : Oh yeah, and Linux 10.0 will be running 10 times as fast as Linux 1.0 : btw, do you think linux1.0, if there ever is one, will be bugfree ? (just look : at sunos5.x) if you want version 1.0, simply patch tools/version.h Dunno, but one thing is certain - linux 1.0 will be a LOT more bugfree than any 1.0 version OS or software project that's ever been done. : /herp , not a number freak. -- David E. Fox email: hip-hop!dfox@amdahl.com 5479 Castle Manor Drive San Jose, CA 95129 Thanks for letting me change the magnetic 408/ 253-7992 images on your hard drive. ------------------------------ From: drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) Subject: Re: Problems with Adaptec SCSI HD controller ver 152x Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1993 01:39:46 GMT In article <1993Aug27.111855.9068@cnsvax.uwec.edu> princemr@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes: >I read the FAQ and it says that Adaptec SCSI board version 152x will not work >with Linux. > >There wouldn't happen to be some driver out there that would make this board >work, would there? Not now, althogh one is being written. -- Boycott USL/Novell for their absurd anti-BSDI lawsuit. | Condemn Colorado for Amendment Two. | Drew Eckhardt Use Linux, the fast, flexible, and free 386 unix | drew@cs.Colorado.EDU Will administer Unix for food | ------------------------------ From: becker@super.org (Donald J. Becker) Subject: Re: Is there a TCP/IP for INTEL cards yet? Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 19:37:24 GMT [[Yes, my newsfeed is a week late. ]] In article <2501ckINNj2o@dns1.nmsu.edu> smcgee@nmsu.edu (Steve Mcgee) writes: > > I'd like to use linux on my PC at work but need TCP/IP > support for my INTEL network card. Is there such a thing? > If not, is anyone working on it? I assume you mean the Intel EtherExpress. No, there isn't a driver. No, I don't think anyone is seriously working on one. [[Mumbles somethings like "I would have a driver for it, if it didn't have an Intel chip on it. I've spent more time trying to read the damn Intel pseudo-documentation than writing the LANCE driver."]] >* Steve McGee "Models are like sausages. People like them a * >* smcgee@psl.nmsu.edu lot more before they know what goes into them." * ^^^^ How true. -- Donald Becker becker@super.org Supercomputing Research Center 17100 Science Drive, Bowie MD 20715 301-805-7482 ------------------------------ From: hph@hphbbs.E.open.DE Subject: Re: SCSI Performance (Yet Again) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 07:10:31 GMT In article ws@xivic.bo.open.de (Wolfgang Schelongowski) writes: >jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders) writes: > >... >> SO far, it seems >> to me that the theoretical 5.7 meg/sec of the Adaptec is just that, >> theory, and only a few people get even 1 meg/sec. > >The 5.7 MB/sec are the DMA transfer speed. There are other things >happening on the SCSI-Bus which have to complete before that. If you >need to know more about what's going on there, RTFM. There's a >(German) book about the IDE-Interface and SCSI-Bus (Author: >Friedhelm Schmidt, ISBN: 3-89319-597-1). As it is published by >Addison-Wesley, you can pester them to have a translation released >if there is no English book about that subject. > >> Again, on my ST, there was a program that bypassed the filesystem >> completely to test raw disk i/o, and somehow they even made it >> non-destructive so you didn't have to use a clean partition to do tests. >> It seems there is no equivalent under *nix. > >How about > date;dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=131072 count=512;date >(This does only a read, you have to save and restore via dd >if you want to test write. Just be _very_ careful about _where_ >you test ! Maybe you should backup the disk.) A far better solutions is: time dd if=/dev/sd? of=/dev/null bs=1b count=10000 time dd if=/dev/sd? of=/dev/null bs=100b count=100 time dd if=/dev/rsd? of=/dev/null bs=1b count=10000 time dd if=/dev/rsd? of=/dev/null bs=100b count=100 You'll then get 4 time-tables which will show, who's the culprit; either caching or the filesystem-code by using either, both or none of 'em. IOzone is quite a rough measurement utility just good enough to do rough comparisions of different O.S's or disks. Regards, Peter -- ####################===============================**************************** # H.P. Heidinger # Call : +49-201-287433 (data) * ~~ HPHBBS ~~ * # Steeler Str. 121 # : V22/32/42bis, 8N1 * UseNet City-Router * # 45138 Essen # E-Mail: hph@hphbbs.E.open.de * for Essen/Germany * ------------------------------ From: davidw@cs.UAlberta.CA (Woloschuk David R) Subject: [Q] How do you dial out from Linux? Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1993 03:32:44 GMT I have Linux SLS 1.03 running on my IBM ValuePoint and am trying to dial out using my modem using 'cu' Is there a better way? How do I configure my system to accept the modem I am using and the paramters I need to use? Do I need source for Taylor UUCP 1.04 to do this? ( Ican't find the sources if they are already on my system) I looked in the Linux FAQ for infor, but couldn't seem to find it...is there any documentation on this stuff? Thanks in advance David R! Woloschuk davidw@cs.ualberta.ca ------------------------------ From: allenm@sfu.ca (Allen Mar) Subject: Re: [Q] How do you dial out from Linux? Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1993 05:33:03 GMT davidw@cs.UAlberta.CA (Woloschuk David R) writes: >I have Linux SLS 1.03 running on my IBM ValuePoint and am >trying to dial out using my modem using 'cu' >Is there a better way? I'm just a newbie with linux (nearly 2 weeks of exposure to it!), but... In the SLS 'a2' comm.tgz file, you'll find 'minicom', which reminds me a lot of the DOS program ProComm in style. A lot more spartan, but works. This is better than 'cu' but not sure if it meets your requirements. >How do I configure my system to accept the modem I am using and >the paramters I need to use? >Do I need source for Taylor UUCP 1.04 to do this? ( Ican't find the sources >if they are already on my system) >I looked in the Linux FAQ for infor, but couldn't seem to find it...is >there any documentation on this stuff? There are docs in disk 'd2' on uucp. Is that sufficient I wonder? >Thanks in advance >David R! Woloschuk >davidw@cs.ualberta.ca Allen Mar allenm@wizard.ucs.sfu.ca ------------------------------ From: h9118101@hkuxa.hku.hk (Yip Chi Lap [Beta]) Subject: Re: Pascal for linux? Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1993 04:33:38 GMT Hello, David Simmons (simmons@EE.MsState.Edu) wrote: : Does anybody know of a pascal that has been ported for Linux? There's a Pascal-to-C translator p2c under Linux. Compile the translated program and link it to libp2c. p2c supports some other languages too. Regards, Beta. -- :) BitNet,InterNet: Fidonet: :P :> h9118101@{hkuxa,hkusub,hkueee}.hku.hk Beta Yip :O :] {beta,clyip}@sunmp.csd.hku.hk Moderator of Lyrics Conference :D :9 in Funny World BBS :* ------------------------------ From: john.will@satalink.com (John Will) Subject: Re: GCC 2.4.5 crashes whe Date: 28 Aug 93 03:41:00 GMT KR>I have similar problems. My machine doesn't crash, but just freezes. It KR>seems that the gcc... KR>My environment is 0.99pl10, 486DX33, 4MB RAM, 4MB swapfile, XT-disk KR>(/dev/xd). I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here, but with only 8mb total memory, it's not surprising that gcc crashes, unless it's changed in the last couple of releases, Linux is very testy about low memory situations, so I'd give it lots more swap and see if you stop locking up, gcc can use loads of memory at times. ------------------------------ From: tchandl@crl.com (Tim Chandler) Subject: Terminal Scrolling Date: 28 Aug 1993 03:16:53 -0700 Howdy, I'm encountering a small problem with my scrolling. It seems that occasionaly (usually after a vi or more), my terminal will only scroll data through the bottom-most line of the terminal, without advancing any of the 23 lines above it -- I essentially will see all output come an go on line 24. I can do a 'clear', but when I get to line 24, it screws up again. I'm not sure if I have described this well. My video card is a 'noname' - no information of compatibility on the card, the book that came with the pc, and nothing displayed upon bootup. I'm running Slackware 0.99.12 on a 386SX-16 clone. Any advice appreciated. Thanks. -- ======================================================================= A wise person makes his own decisions, a weak one obeys public opinion. --Chinese proverb tchandl@crl.com --- Tim Chandler ------------------------------ Subject: large file printing problems with lpr From: v61u0005@diamond.sara.nl (Gert van der Zwan) Date: 27 Aug 93 11:03:01 +0200 Keywords: I have problems printing large files with lpr (large = larger than 1 page) over the net. apparently the problem is with sending the file to the print server since doing 'netstat' i keep getting the message SYNC-SENT, only occasionally i get ESTABLISHED , but this is immediately followed by SYNC-SENT again. Doing netstat -x gives "SEGMENTATION FAULT' . ftp-ing the files to another site, and printing from there to the same printer works well (using AIX lpr). It is not a size limitation in the spool directory, i put a mx#0 in the printcap file. I am using linux 0.99.11 and NET-2 software. lpc status usually gives: queuing enabled, printing enabled, sending to - printer server-, 1 entry in spool area. killing the process , emptying the queu and restarting sometimes helps, once every 10 times or so the file gets through. any suggestions as how to solve this by email please. zwan@sara.nl ------------------------------ From: jimdenni@symantec.com (Jim Dennis) Subject: Re: *UNBELIEVABLE PRICE* New 209 Meg Seagate Hard Drives $145.00!!!!! Date: 28 Aug 1993 09:18:45 GMT In article <1993Aug26.132151.2821@vaxa> accsah@vaxa.hofstra.edu writes: >In article , dfeldman@teal.csn.org (Dave Feldman) writes: >> I subscribe to something called "Processor", it's a weekly mag published >> out of New Jersey. A company in there has been advertising 1540B SCSI >> controllers for $100 ($115 with shipping); they are an OEM unit resold >> by DEC with DEC's documentation. >> I really hate to get this even a smidge back towards the topic at hand but... Does Linux currently support the 1540B. What is the difference between a 1540 and a 1542 (does the 1540 simply lack the floppy controller?). I have had the Ygdrasill CD and a Texel for a couple of months and no chance to use it since I lack a support SCSI controller. I've been waiting for a deal like this. (Actually if someone has managed to hack the kernel to support the PSI caching SCSI adapter (no model number handy) that I'd be even happier to hear it). So will the 1540B support Linux? Has anyone used a PSI caching SCSI adapter with Linux? (Has anyone used a Promise Technologies cachine IDE controller with Linux?) (I will admit that I haven't FTP'd the hardware list since about 2 months ago). -- Jim Dennis (jimdenni@symantec.com) #include /* exclude cute.sig.comments? */ ------------------------------ From: andrewh@yang.earlham.edu (Earlham College User(andrewh)) Subject: Re: *UNBELIEVABLE PRICE* New 209 Meg Seagate Hard Drives $145.00!!!!! Date: 27 Aug 93 15:23:19 GMT In article jasko@park.bu.edu (John V. Jaskolski) writes: >Subject: *UNBELIEVABLE PRICE* New 209 Meg Seagate Hard Drives $145.00!!!!! >From: jasko@park.bu.edu (John V. Jaskolski) >Date: 25 Aug 93 15:22:06 GMT >Numerous people from this newsgroup have asked me to post here whenever I >find an excellent deal on something that might be of interest to the >general community. I *DO NOT* intend to post items of this sort >regularly here. Rather, I will usually post *ONLY* in the .forsale >newsgroups. This is a worthy exception because it is an absolutely >awesome deal. Who does this marketroid think he is? Drew Kaplan? Bug off. Andrew Andrew W. Hagen andrewh@yang.earlham.edu Earlham College ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.unix.shell From: ross@utopia.druid.com (Ross Ridge) Subject: Re: NetBSD's ash as /bin/sh substitute on Linux Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 09:57:18 GMT torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds) writes: >One thing to check for in cases like this is what arguments the shell >actually uses for the "chdir()" call: it might be using the empty string >(or even the NULL pointer), both of which probably work under BSD to >give the "current directory", I don't think NULL pointer works, but an empty string does under BSD. >There may be other use of "BSD features" that break under POSIX (and >thus linux), Actually, this is something that BSD is supposed to have inherited from V7 Unix. Ross Ridge ------------------------------ From: mark@datasoft.north.net (Mark Buckaway) Subject: Re: Tracker 3.10 and Slackware Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 22:48:06 GMT Savio Lam (lam836@cs.cuhk.hk) wrote: : Hello, : After upgraded to Slackware, tracker 3.10 doesn't work any more. : After displaying "noname.mod: 0/12" and it stays there without starting : to play the song. Moreover, runtime commands like "q - quit", "> - fast : forward" must be followed by an before it will have any effect. : It seems that the program is always waiting for key press without doing : anything else. Anyone knows why? : BTW, I am using 0.99pl11 with sound driver 1.99.7 and I can use str to : play mod files. Tracker worked well with these versions before I upgrade : to slackware. I would love to see the answer to this as well. Tracker has never worked for me and it does what Savio suggested above. str32 works fine. (0.99.12 here) Mark -- Mark Buckaway | "UNIX and OS/2 are operating systems, DataSoft Communications | Windows is a pitiful shell, System Administrator | DOS is an installible virus." root@datasoft.north.net | uunorth!datasoft!root | ====================================== ------------------------------ From: fritz@xlnt.zk3.dec.com () Subject: Re: lpr cannot connect to lpd - Slackware 1.01 Reply-To: fritz@xlnt.zk3.dec.com () Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1993 15:28:34 GMT In article <25mhssINN8k0@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, rbauer@ecst.csuchico.edu (Robert Bauer) writes: |>In article <1993Aug26.152232.27906@train.ufh.ac.za> bhv@cs.ufh.ac.za writes: |>>bhv@cycad.ufh.ac.za wrote: |>>: I've recently installed Slackware 1.01 and wish to print remotely |>>: via TCP/IP. I've read the FAQ and done everything, but I still |>>: do not get lpr to connect with lpd. Furthermore, when I re-start |> |>I had a very similar problem, except that lpr worked fine when I was |>the root user. I first suspected a problem with permissions, however |>after setting those up according to the LPR FAQ, lpr still would not |>work for anyone but root. |> |>A little poking around in the /etc and /usr/bin files revealed that there |>were two different copies of lpr. The copy which worked resided in /etc, |>the other in /usr/bin. I don't know if there was a reason for having |>the two copies, but I after I moved the "good" lpr from /etc into |>/usr/bin (in the path of normal users) the print spooling system worked |>as it should. |> |>>and recompiled it, after which lpr/lpd works. So what's up with Slackware :-? |> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |> |>Is having two (different) copies of lpr an oversight, or is there some |>(subtle) reason for this? |> |>-Robert |>rbauer@ecst.csuchico.edu |> |> As a followup, I've been trying to find a printcap entry for my HP laserjet 4 running off the parallel port with no success. Has anyone out there done this yet? I appreciate any support or ideas. Thanks, Bob. ------------------------------ From: accsah@vaxa.hofstra.edu Subject: Re: *UNBELIEVABLE* Date: 28 Aug 93 10:45:01 EST In article , dfeldman@teal.csn.org (Dave Feldman) writes: > The subscription, by the way, was free when I asked for it (and they > still send it every week, and that's how I found the cheap Adaptec > 1540B). How about a just the address of the supplier, and not an ad for the magazine? ================================================================================ Steven Henry | Linux - The internet operating system Electrical Engineering | PowerPC - The future of computers accsah@vaxc.hofstra.edu | egg2sah@vaxc.hofstra.edu | Information is power. Power is information. ================================================================================ ******** DEATH TO THE CLIPPER PROJECT ******* ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Activists-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux) via: Internet: Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de pub/msdos/replace The current version of Linux is 0.99pl9 released on April 23, 1993 End of Linux-Activists Digest ******************************