From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Sun, 22 Aug 93 10:13:03 EDT Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #155 Linux-Activists Digest #155, Volume #6 Sun, 22 Aug 93 10:13:03 EDT Contents: Xconfig settings for TVGA8900B & AT&T CRT-365 combination wanted. (Sy Ali) Re: How to fix a garbled VT ? (Laszlo Herczeg) Re: Tractatus Linuxicus Newbius (Laszlo Herczeg) HELP WITH MY MOUSE IN X PLEASE (* 3cMonster *) Re: How to fix a garbled VT ? (Yonik Christopher Seeley) Re: Boot manager to boot from 2nd harddisk? (Timothy E. Neto) Drivers needed: 3270, 2780, X.25 (Wm E. Davidsen Jr) Re: HELP WITH MY MOUSE IN X PLEASE (Sun Jyh-bang) Re: ** xboard 2.1 compiled ? ** (Andreas Klemm) Emacs Problems with 0.99pl11 (news@triode.apana.org.au) Re: Tractatus Linuxicus Newbius (David Truckenmiller) [Q] Help needed with gcc-2.4.5 (Paulo Lima) Re: Boot manager to boot from 2nd harddisk? (Brandon S. Allbery) Re: SCSI Performance (Yet Again) (Brandon S. Allbery) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix From: syali@acsu.buffalo.edu (Sy Ali) Subject: Xconfig settings for TVGA8900B & AT&T CRT-365 combination wanted. Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 04:36:23 GMT If anyone out there has the clock and timings for this combination of graphics card (TVGA8900B) and monitor (AT&T CRT-365), I'd really appreciate them. I'm particularly interested in the 1024x768 mode. Thanks, Sy -- Internet: syali@cs.buffalo.edu | Bitnet: syali%sunybcs.bitnet UUCP: syali@sunybcs.uucp | FAX: (716) 645-3464 Syed Ali, Computer Science Dept., 226 Bell Hall, SUNY@Buffalo, Buffalo NY 14260. ``It's not what you do; it's who sees you do it!'' ------------------------------ From: las@io.org (Laszlo Herczeg) Subject: Re: How to fix a garbled VT ? Date: 19 Aug 1993 19:37:54 GMT In article <1993Aug10.182532.9495@mtu.edu> devmorfo@mtu.edu (Evmorfopoulos Dimitris) writes: > >In article <23u03u$6j8@ionews.io.org>, las@io.org (Laszlo Herczeg) writes: >> In article mullally@sse.ie (Ronan Mullally) writes: >> > >> >I'm sure this is an FAQ, but I haven't been able to find it... >> > >> >How do I fix a garbled VT after I've cat'ed a binary file ? >> > >> >-- >> > Ronan Mullally /------------------------------ >> >> Easy: >> Type "more /usr/lib/libc.a" and watch the --more-- status window. >> Keep pressing the Space key, and when the status window becomes normal >> readable text, hit the "q" key on your keyboard. >> >> You wanted a hacker's answer, so here it is. >> >> Works 100% of the time. ( I assume your have /usr/lib/libc) >> >> Laszlo >> >> PS. the pedantic answer would be to reboot your machine (NEVER!) >> -- > > > Trying to talk seriously, and not playing around with these lost >newcomers, all you have to do is type a blind reset on your prompt. Reset resides >in /usr/bin/reset. I do not have /bin/reset since I am not relying on the SLS. Please, please, I just gave a "homebrew" answer to a problem, not knowing about the new SLS goodies. As far as I am concerned, my method is better, since it uses existing resources. You are free to use the SLS, but please do not censor me for providing an alternative. Laszlo > Dimitris -- ================================================================================ Laszlo Herczeg E-mail: las@io.org Be careful : our subnet is being run on the (as yet) unreliable net-2 code ================================================================================ ------------------------------ From: las@io.org (Laszlo Herczeg) Subject: Re: Tractatus Linuxicus Newbius Date: 21 Aug 1993 17:21:48 GMT Folks, I still think though that the original poster had an valid point: will Linux ever be accessible to those outside of the CS circle. He was asking for "philosophy student-proof" installation instructions, and you started throwing Unix-for -Dummies book titles at him. I am a philosopher myself, and I really think no one should be allowed to wield power over technology who cannot pass a course in literary criticism. The Linux system administrator's guide (SAG) was a very good first step in making Linux more accessible, but it is in .ps format, and how do you expect someone coming to Linux from the PC world to be able to read .ps if they don't even know what a compiler is ? Sure, Linux isn't for everyone, but if someone is smart enough to have heard of Linux in the DOS world, they will be smart enough to learn Linux _provided_ they are shown the ropes to make the first couple moves. There is much that is arcane and intimidating to a newbie, for example, they have to repartition their hard drive, etc., so at least there should be a very "handholding" manual explaining things step-by-step, with as little techie jargon as possible. You all had your initiation to Un*x, and I am more than sure that you appreciated straight talk when you were learning Un*x. -- ================================================================================ Laszlo Herczeg E-mail: las@io.org Be careful : our subnet is being run on the (as yet) unreliable net-2 code ================================================================================ ------------------------------ From: u339580@sparc17.ncu.edu.tw (* 3cMonster *) Subject: HELP WITH MY MOUSE IN X PLEASE Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 06:11:45 GMT Hi all UNIX admirers, Here I just come across the situation below: 1. I set everything OK with my X-window (XFree 1.3) and it works fine. 2. As I am trying to move my mouse, I just find it move randomly on the screen. 3. I tried to find through the FAQs times and times..nothing about that 4. my mouse is Microsoft compatible. 5. I set it to Microsoft "/dev/cua0" in my Xconfig 6. That's all... Could any of you, experienced players, tell me what's wrong with my mouse? Thanks a LOTS! Sincerely, Aurona ------------------------------ From: yseeley@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yonik Christopher Seeley) Subject: Re: How to fix a garbled VT ? Date: Sun, 22 Aug 93 06:48:12 GMT In article <250kqi$5r@ionews.io.org> las@io.org (Laszlo Herczeg) writes: > >I do not have /bin/reset since I am not relying on the SLS. Please, please, >I just gave a "homebrew" answer to a problem, not knowing about the new >SLS goodies. Well, perhaps a better alternative would be to type "echo ^V^O". This works everywhere I have tried it for messed up xterms + vt100 terminals. > > As far as I am concerned, my method is better, since it uses existing >resources. >You are free to use the SLS, but please do not censor me for >providing an alternative. > Laszlo >> Dimitris > >-- >================================================================================ >Laszlo Herczeg E-mail: las@io.org >Be careful : our subnet is being run on the (as yet) unreliable net-2 code >================================================================================ - Yonik Seeley yseeley@cs.stanford.edu ------------------------------ From: ten0772@halcyon.com (Timothy E. Neto) Subject: Re: Boot manager to boot from 2nd harddisk? Date: 22 Aug 1993 00:15:41 -0700 vince@victrola.wa.com (Vince Skahan) writes: >In article <24mp5d$7f8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, >Roth Mark Daniel wrote: >>Is there a boot manager available that allows booting from the 2nd HDD? I >>am about to buy a new system with a 210MB HDD which I would like to use for >>DOS. I have a 40MB that I will be installing in it as the 2nd HDD that I >>would like to use for Linux. >yes, it's a handy device called a 'floppy disk' :-) .... A less deisrable solution omitted due to bandwidth ... >half of the big disk as a dos partition and stash things there. Hey Vince, One better, use LILO. Roth, in your LILO config file, just tell LILO where your Linux is, hdb, and it will boot just nicely. It will work; for I have MS-DOG 6.0 on disk 1 {hda} and Linux 0.99pl12 on disk two {hdb}. It works great. MS-DOG doesn't recognize my Linux disk, but Linux accesses my MS-DOG disk just fine. Here's my LILO config file: boot = /dev/hda install = /etc/lilo/boot.b compact image = /Image vga=-1 label = linux root = /dev/hdb1 other = /dev/hda1 label = msdog table = /dev/hda Hope this really helps... Sorry Vince I just couldn't resist. Note: Both Vince's and my day jobs take place in the same test lab. -- Indecision is the key | Timothy E. Neto 1 000 to flexibility. | Neat'o Gadget & Widget Works 1 0. .0 You can't E-Mail God. | Unix & X Applications Development 1 0 _ 0 Opinions are all mine. | Seattle, WA ten0772@halcyon.com 1 000 ------------------------------ From: davidsen@sixhub.UUCP (Wm E. Davidsen Jr) Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.sys5.r3,comp.unix.wizards,comp.unix.xenix.sco Subject: Drivers needed: 3270, 2780, X.25 Date: 20 Aug 93 18:42:24 GMT Reply-To: davidsen@tmr.com (bill davidsen) I'm trying to find a PC based UNIX which will satisfy the following requirements. 1. PC based 32 bit O/S, POSIX compliant 2. Supports TCP 3. Supports X.25 4. Supports 3270: a. pretends to be a terminal to talk to a mainframe b. talks to terminals, acts like a mainframe 5. Supports 2780, talks to terminals only Any combination of o/s and third party software and hardware will be considered if they meet this requirement set. We would *really* like to get this application off of DOS!! -- Bill Davidsen, davidsen@tmr.com TMR Associates, +1 518-370-5654 C programming, training, data gathering, porting to open systems, heterogeneous environments, computer controlled housing, custom software ------------------------------ From: u7923081@cc.nctu.edu.tw (Sun Jyh-bang) Subject: Re: HELP WITH MY MOUSE IN X PLEASE Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 07:44:14 GMT hi, are you sure you set the right mouse type? i met this situation too b'cos my mouse has no brand and i don't know it's type.. so after i tried some of the for testing, it works finally. ------------------------------ From: andreas@knobel.gun.de (Andreas Klemm) Subject: Re: ** xboard 2.1 compiled ? ** Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 02:25:22 GMT laurentj@gnlab032.grenoble.hp.com (Laurent_Julliard) writes: >Hi ! > Did anybody already try to compile xboard version 2.1 pl11 ? gcc doesn't > want to compile the parser.c file because of a "parse" ;-) error. > Any clue appreciated. I removed some lines from the lex source ... Finally I got it compiled. Unfortunately xboard hangs when trying to make some moves on the board. Any help would be welcome ... I have SLS 1.01 -> 1.03 (partly upgraded) gcc 2.4.5, gas 2.1.1 linux 0.99 pl 11 shlibs v 4.4.1 flex version 2.3.8 gnuchess-4.0.pl62.tgz xboard-2.1.pl11.tgz Same with an older xboard version (pl10). Thanks in advance Andreas -- Andreas Klemm - 41469 Neuss - Germany - phone: +49/ 2137 12609 ------------------------------ From: news@triode.apana.org.au Subject: Emacs Problems with 0.99pl11 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 11:45:49 GMT Every since I upgraded from 0.99pl9 to 0.99pl10 and then 0.99pl11 I have had a problem with my Emacs cursor control keys. When I hit say the up arrow key I get odd characters written into my active buffer. Same with the other cursor control keys they no longer work. I can use emacs commands such as ^N and ^P ^F and ^B to move the cursor around. When running under Vi all of the cursor control keys still work correctly. Can anyone tell me where to look to sort out this problem. Thanks... Paul ------------------------------ From: trucken@milli.cs.umn.edu (David Truckenmiller) Subject: Re: Tractatus Linuxicus Newbius Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 12:42:46 GMT In <255ljc$5jm@ionews.io.org> las@io.org (Laszlo Herczeg) writes: >Folks, I still think though that the original poster had an valid >point: will Linux ever be accessible to those outside of the CS circle. Yes, I agree. My question is the reverse: Will those outside the "CS circle" gain enough knowledge to use Linux? Or will the "CS circle" expand to include everyone? > He was asking for "philosophy student-proof" installation instructions, >and you started throwing Unix-for -Dummies book titles at him. Sorry about that. I was merely thinking that unix, in general, is a beast even if Linux were fixed up to be "philosophy student-proof". I was trying to give pointers to ways to increase the knowledge base of the general public. I feel strongly that if you want to know about something, you have to go out and do it yourself. Asking questions, and reading are good ways to learn. There are other sources about computers/operating systems/technology besides the Linux community. I was trying to be helpful. > I am a philosopher myself, and I really think no one should be allowed >to wield power over technology who cannot pass a course in literary >criticism. OK. > The Linux system administrator's guide (SAG) was a very good first >step in making Linux more accessible, but it is in .ps format, and how >do you expect someone coming to Linux from the PC world to be able >to read .ps if they don't even know what a compiler is ? True enough. But the guide is also available in text mode. (Besides, one could always go to the bookstore and read up about postscript. :-)! ) I think it would be great if the guide could be published on paper, and sold for a modest fee. (Once it's finished) Just watching my printer churn out 150+ pages was painful. I have gladly paid $10-15 to get a pre-printed copy mailed to me. >Sure, Linux isn't for everyone, but if someone is smart enough to have >heard of Linux in the DOS world, they will be smart enough to learn Linux >_provided_ they are shown the ropes to make the first couple moves. Agreed. And the comments of the first person are very welcome, and have already influenced people responsible for writing documentation I'm sure. > There is much that is arcane and intimidating to a newbie, for example, >they have to repartition their hard drive, etc., so at least there should >be a very "handholding" manual explaining things step-by-step, with >as little techie jargon as possible. You all had your initiation to Un*x, >and I am more than sure that you appreciated straight talk when you were >learning Un*x. Well, the way I learned was to backup my hard disk, and try, try , try. There was nobody around to hold my hand. I originally learned unix on a Convergent Technologies (defunct now) Miniframe. The information supplied by the vendor was hopelessly incomplete. (They never thought that anyone would want to purchase Seagate disk drives on the street for a 10th the price they were asking. :-)) So, therefore, everyone else should suffer my pain. NOT! The point is, this stuff is complicated, and there should be a step-by- step guide, and mostly there already is for Linux. The techincal jargon creeps in because that is how we talk. What is needed now is for people like you that have learned the hard way, but can speak in non-jargonese, to write manuals. I send my apology to the group in general for taking an article with the name "Tractatus Linuxicus Newbius" and having a little fun with it. -Dave -- --- Dave Truckenmiller (trucken@cs.umn.edu) [ ASCII picture ] Linux, Linux, Linux, Linux, Linux, Linux. [ under development ] ------------------------------ From: paulo@Software.Mitel.COM (Paulo Lima) Subject: [Q] Help needed with gcc-2.4.5 Date: 20 Aug 93 14:00:54 GMT I have installed gcc-2.4.5 from tsx-11 site and to try it the first thing I did was to compile the 0.99.10 kernel source, but ... yes it compiles evething but fails when linking, the message is : -m486 invalid option and then gives me all the valid options for "ld". The point is that I did compiled the same sources with the same config using gcc-2.4.3 and had no problems. Before posting I tried: - alias "gcc" to "gcc -V 2.4.3" -> didn't work - rename the 0.99.10 and install a brand new 0.99.11 -> nop - Answer yes at the configuration for 486 code -> didn't work Yes, I did started from scratch with make make dep ; make clean after the configuration. If somebody out there can help me I would appreciate, please send your reply to this newsgroup or via email as I don't have access to the new comp.os.linus.* yet. Thanks a lot, /Paulo ________________________________________________________________________________ MITEL Corporation | "Stop the world, I want to get out! Tel: +1-(613) 592-2122 x:3771 | Fax: +1-(613) 592-4784 | - Raul Seixas | EMail: paulo.lima@software.mitel.com | ________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) Subject: Re: Boot manager to boot from 2nd harddisk? Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 13:32:37 GMT In article <2576et$s7j@nwfocus.wa.com> ten0772@halcyon.com (Timothy E. Neto) writes: >vince@victrola.wa.com (Vince Skahan) writes: >>In article <24mp5d$7f8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, >>Roth Mark Daniel wrote: >>>Is there a boot manager available that allows booting from the 2nd HDD? I > >>yes, it's a handy device called a 'floppy disk' :-) > > One better, use LILO. Roth, in your LILO config file, just tell > LILO where your Linux is, hdb, and it will boot just nicely. It Remember that, if it's on a second controller (e.g. mine is on an AHA1542B) the BIOS must be *enabled* or LILO will hang trying to access it, because LILO has to use the BIOS for I/O. ++Brandon -- Brandon S. Allbery kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org "MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years of careful development." ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca ------------------------------ From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) Subject: Re: SCSI Performance (Yet Again) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 13:36:11 GMT In article <1993Aug21.164758.9709@hip-hop.suvl.ca.us> root@hip-hop.suvl.ca.us (Remco Treffkorn) writes: >Isn't that the thing that makes writes lightning fast as compared to raw >writes ?-) >But without slowing down reads? Any cacheing scheme has pathological cases where the result is actually slower than direct I/O. For Linux the pathological case is iozone... a sequential write of a large file followed by a sequential read of the same file, if it's larger than the cache, results in Linux having to force cache writes so that there are enough free blocks to read into. ++Brandon -- Brandon S. Allbery kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org "MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years of careful development." ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Activists-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux) via: Internet: Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de pub/msdos/replace The current version of Linux is 0.99pl9 released on April 23, 1993 End of Linux-Activists Digest ******************************