From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Fri, 20 Aug 93 05:13:05 EDT Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #145 Linux-Activists Digest #145, Volume #6 Fri, 20 Aug 93 05:13:05 EDT Contents: Linux CD-ROMs in general (Kevin Fluet) bootup to linux (Aric B. Lambert) Re: When's Linux 1.0 coming out? (Gregory Robert Weiss) DIP problem: 'mode SLIP' gives SETD error (David Simmons) Question: Does CMS 250 Jumbo work under Linux? (Alan Ve-Ming Liu) [SUMM] Prog. in C for Lnx (Eric Poole) SLS 1.02 => 1.03 upgrade? (william m) diamond viper (Timothy J Kniveton) Re: SCSI Performance (Daniel T. Schwager) Re: elm problem (Vince Skahan) Re: rsh hangs & machine seizes up under NET-2 (was Re: rlogin-problem with net-2) (Kenneth K. Wellin) lpr oddity (John Will) Re: linux slow > 16mb RAM? (Ian Kluft) X installation on MCC (lau chi ngan) TI travelmate laptop problems? (Michael Chivers (Summer Student)) Re: Term limitation or easy Unix question? (Michael O'Reilly) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: user1@valis.ampr.ab.ca (Kevin Fluet) Subject: Linux CD-ROMs in general Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 17:25:28 GMT In <24r66rINNij3@usenet.pa.dec.com> barrett@pamsrc.enet.dec.com (Keith Barrett) writes: >I also have not been able to get a response from them. Pretty much trashes >their "we're all better, try us now" plea. >Well, $60 for 2 CDs wasn't too bad. ;-) I would love to get that much from them. I have been trying to get one of their CD's for my BBS for about 4 months now (having sent at least 8 e-mail messages and calling the voice phone number they used to advertise). I don't have a fax machine, so I haven't tried that. I even received some mail from Jay saying my CD was on the way (about 2 months ago). The strangest thing I got back from them was an empty e-mail message. Hey JAY, if you read this, get in touch with me. I know quite a few people here in Edmonton who want your CD. If you send me a CD, I'll advertise for you on my BBS, or even be your Edmonton distributor. You aren't reaching your greatest audience--those who don't have net access. That Yggdrasil group seems to have disappeared, too (at least I haven't heard anything about their final release CD). The beta CD I have doesn't have an image of tsx-11 or sunsite, so now that the version of linux on it is old, the disk is kind of useless. The SLS CD is just too expensive, even with Peter's $200 for a 2 year / 4 CD subscription. Maybe if one came out every 3 or 4 months instead of every 6 months, I would consider it. Does anyone know if there is a wuarchive CD-ROM that has a recent image of the Linux mirror there? -- Kevin /--------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Kevin Fluet Call V.A.L.I.S. Public Access Linux | | user1 or kevin@valis.ampr.ab.ca (Down for the Summer) | | fluet@ee.ualberta.ca Ask me about Linux, the FREE Unix clone! | \--------------------------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ From: alambert@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Aric B. Lambert) Subject: bootup to linux Date: 20 Aug 93 02:57:42 GMT Is there a way to bootup to linux from dos with out using fdisk ------------------------------ From: grweiss@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gregory Robert Weiss) Subject: Re: When's Linux 1.0 coming out? Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 17:58:36 GMT In article hegt@iaci.kun.nl (R. Hegt) writes: >Gee, what's the magic about a version number? Are you all really thinking >that things will be stable when 1.0 is available? It's all psychology (in the commercial world it's called marketing!) >Maybe it's time to call the next version 0.100, so we no longer are >expecting 1.0 'real soon now'. It seems to me a better idea than going >on to 0.99.pl67 (to Linus: I'm not whining about all the releases, >please keep improving the kernel). > >Rob Hegt As long as everyone is expecting 1.0 'real soon now', the developers working on things have a much greater (psychological) incentive to "get their patches in" or "finish up that driver" before 1.0! If we went to 0.10 (or 1.0), it would be easier for a developer to say "Well, I'll get it in the next patch- who cares about making sure it works in version 0.1 or 0.11?" There's plenty of time to fix that bug later! As it currently is, you send in your code to make sure that your feature is included (and stable) for the imminent 1.0 version. After all, 1.0 could come out within the next month or two! --Greg, another net-barnacle, hanging around the net enjoying the food left by the real developers, who he greatly appreciates. :-) ------------------------------ From: simmons@EE.MsState.Edu (David Simmons) Subject: DIP problem: 'mode SLIP' gives SETD error Date: 20 Aug 1993 03:15:51 GMT Reply-To: simmons@EE.MsState.Edu Due to errors in the installation of the news software on my system, the return address was incorrect on my last message. This address should be correct. Here is the original message: When I try to initiate a SLIP connection with a terminal server, DIP gives me a "SETD: Invalid argument" error when I attempt to "mode SLIP". I am setting the remote, port, and speed commands correctly. (and also the local). I have the terminal server set to always give me my machine's IP address, and the terminal server prompts me that SLIP mode has begun. The terminal server is an Annex, set to handle compression. Thanks in advance for any advice. David Simmons System Administrator Mississippi State University Electrical Engineering ------------------------------ From: liu@cs.unc.edu (Alan Ve-Ming Liu) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Question: Does CMS 250 Jumbo work under Linux? Date: 19 Aug 1993 23:17:33 -0400 I'm considering buying a Colorado 250 Jumbo tape backup. This drive works off the floppy interface. I'd like to know if there is support for this device under Linux? I have checked the FAQ at sunsite but did not come across this model. Al ------------------------------ From: epoole@leotech.mv.com (Eric Poole) Subject: [SUMM] Prog. in C for Lnx Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 23:24:00 Thanks to all who replied to my question about the best books to buy to teach me how to program in C for the Linux environment. The one that some people recommended, and the one I'll probably go with, is "C Programming in the Berkeley UNIX Environment" by R. Nigel Horspool. Prentice Hall, Canada. (ISBN 0-13-109760-1). According to Patrick J. Volkerding: "This wonderful book leads you through all the features of C, including pipes, sockets, and other goodies as they apply to interfacing your code with existing UNIX utilities, and taking advantage of the TCP/IP capabilities you've got. Lots of the stuff like header files, libraries, and pipes and such get a pretty light treatment in most C books that don't specifically target C for UNIX. This book is only 300 pages long, but covers more stuff than any other one book I own." Several people also suggested "The UNIX System Administrators Handbook," as well, Another suggestion was Richard Stevens' "Unix Network Programming", which "describes the interface from C to unix-system calls, such as socket(), sendto(), recvfrom()" Thanks again to all ... one or more of the above is sure to teach me what I need. . . . . . ep * Origin: NETIS (603)432-2517/432-0922 (HST/V32) (1:132/189) ------------------------------ From: utter@acsu.buffalo.edu (william m) Subject: SLS 1.02 => 1.03 upgrade? Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 05:47:07 GMT I would like to hear some different suggestions on how I should upgrade to the new SLS? I don't have a tape drive.. but I have a spare HD I can copy everything over too..(of equal size) Currently my system is being used for dialin's and I would like to make the move as easy as possible.. My major problem is that I have changed and added many config files to get mail and news working.. What I'm really looking for is getting from .99pl9 to .99pl11/12. (So I can run Slip and quotas easily) Thanks for your help... p.s. this will be my first "upgrade".. (Ya, I'm CLUELESS) ;`) -- Bill Utter utter@acsu.buffalo.edu utter@blocks.com (coming soon) Hated DOS, Liked DV, Loved OS/2, but Loving Linux. ------------------------------ From: Timothy J Kniveton Subject: diamond viper Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 01:35:46 -0400 unfortunately, i have a diamond viper. i want to run linux. i've heard that i can put the card in the correct mode and warm boot so i can use X. does anyone know how to do this? ------------------------------ From: danny@dragon.stgt.sub.org (Daniel T. Schwager) Subject: Re: SCSI Performance Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 00:20:05 GMT hph@hphbbs.E.open.DE wrote: : In article <1993Aug9.191040.260@dragon.stgt.sub.org> danny@dragon.stgt.sub.org (Daniel Schwager) writes: : # Hi all, : # : # in my system all work's fine for me, but the SCSI performace : # is not pretty fast. : # .......... stuff deleted : # b) What for transferrate is normal ? : - Depends on the hardware used (esp. ISA/EISA/VLB) : I ran my system (386/40, Adaptec-1542B) with : different OSs and different SCSI-Disks some time : ago -- here my results: ........... stuff deleted : # I use a Adaptec 1542B, ISA 486-50, 16MB and a 520MB Fujitsu drive and the : # copy(transfer)rate is about 153KB / sec. : # : # (cp 17.152MB_fileA to New_file_B in 112 seconds --> 153KB / sec, same : # filesystem (ext2) ) : My results differ definitely -- although I'm using the very same : host-adaptor (AHA-1542B) and the very same disk on an 386/40, 8MB and : with an established ext2-fs on the Fujitsu 2624F too. : Here are _my_ results for LINUX: : (Conditions: : - Process activties: low : - Memory usage : high [from within X]) : ------------------ 8< snip ... snip 8< ---------------------------------- : IOZONE: Performance Test of Sequential File I/O -- V1.16 (10/28/92) : By Bill Norcott : IOZONE writes a 8 Megabyte sequential file consisting of : 16384 records which are each 512 bytes in length. : It then reads the file. It prints the bytes-per-second : rate at which the computer can read and write files. : Writing the 8 Megabyte file, 'iozone.tmp'...14.020000 seconds : Reading the file...35.060000 seconds : IOZONE performance measurements: : 598331 bytes/second for writing the file : 239264 bytes/second for reading the file : ------------------ 8< snip ... snip 8< ---------------------------------- : The deficiency in reading the data really looks a bit dramatic. I : hope the AHA-driver's author is reading here right now and will have : a look to the driver-code, in order to improve this reasonably. : The above comparision-chart can help to see what's normal for an : AHA-1542B on an ISA-Bus. Ok, i found the iozone prg and run it on my micropolis 2112 1G HD (Syncron) ====================== IOZONE: Performance Test of Sequential File I/O -- V1.14b (1/31/92) By Bill Norcott Operating System: POSIX 1003.1-1988 Send comments to: norcott_bill@tandem.com IOZONE writes a 8 Megabyte sequential file consisting of 16384 records which are each 512 bytes in length. It then reads the file. It prints the bytes-per-second rate at which the computer can read and write files. Writing the 8 Megabyte file, 'iozone.tmp'...20.670000 seconds Reading the file...35.630000 seconds IOZONE performance measurements: 405834 bytes/second for writing the file 235436 bytes/second for reading the file =========================== I don't know the problem, but for a syncron transfer it is a little bit too slow ! Could somebody know a way to track this problem down (debugging, testing, ...) I think, because DOS (oh ho) shows me 750 Kb/sec, i should search the performance hole in the software (-- but there is one problem: I'm not familar which the kernel) Danny -- ,,, (^ ^) ==================oOO==(_)==OOo======================= Danny ------------------------------ From: vince@victrola.wa.com (Vince Skahan) Subject: Re: elm problem Date: 19 Aug 1993 21:47:28 -0700 mbrinkho@nyx.cs.du.edu (Matthew C. Brinkhoff) writes: >After many trials, I finally got UUCP mail working on my system. Mail/mailx >works fine, but when I try to reply to a message sent to username@mysite.UUCP >it batches a file to my smart host username@mysite.sea.wa.us! I know that >this address is part of the original configuration (SLS release), and I >have edited my config files to reflect my site's information instead -but >it still does it. Any ideas/comments are much appreciated. My config >files are as follows: >#------------------------ global elm.rc file ------------------ ># this is the local domain >hostdomain = .UUCP try the hostdomain without the leading period. There's an error in the SLS config file (oops......). -- ---------- Vince Skahan --------- vince@victrola.wa.com ------------- One living dinosaur and it has to be Barney - lame! lame! lame! lame! - 'the Lame List' on "Almost Live" 7/4/93 ------------------------------ From: kkw@iesd.auc.dk (Kenneth K. Wellin) Subject: Re: rsh hangs & machine seizes up under NET-2 (was Re: rlogin-problem with net-2) Date: 20 Aug 1993 07:22:34 GMT >>>>> On Fri, 20 Aug 1993 02:37:04 GMT, jjkao@ev001 (Jehng-Jung Kao) said: >> Nntp-Posting-Host: 140.113.223.1 >> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] >> Harvey J. Stein (hjstein@sunrise.huji.ac.il) wrote: >> : In article >> : graham@prospero.uoregon.edu (Dan Graham) writes: >> : I also have problems with more than 1 rlogin. Mine doesn't reset the first; >> : instead, the whole machine begins to slow down. Keyboard response goes from >> : great to horrible. Eventually, if I wait too long, it all locks up. >> : (I think its locked, I've only waited 15min before hitting the reset switch). >> : I've been having the same problem with just one rlogin or rsh. When I >> : rsh from one linux machine to another linux machine, sometimes it >> : works, and sometimes it hangs. If it hangs, and I control-C out, then >> : often both machines slow down to a crawl, and eventually seize up. If >> : I unplug the ethernet (I'm using 10 Base T, so I can just unplug the >> : jack), then the machine usually comes back, but occasionally hangs >> : anyway. Rcp also hangs frequently, but control-Cing out doesn't usually >> : cause the machines to seize up. >> I have the same problem. Although I donot know the solution, I can get the >> machine back by killing remote-shell (rsh) processes on the remote machines. >> If there exist a 'rsh' process in a remote machine sending something to >> my linux, my linux may hang in there. Also, it seems to always hang when >> I do the 2nd rsh on the same remote machine. >> Hope someone have good solution for this problem. >> J. J. Kao This is a known proplem with 0.99.10. Easiest solution: upgrade! ///Kenneth/// -- ==================================================================== Kenneth Wellin email: Sigrid Undsetsvej 246B At university: kkw@iesd.auc.dk DK-9220 Aalborg At home: congo@nork.auc.dk Denmark Phone: +45 98151805 ------------------------------ From: john.will@satalink.com (John Will) Subject: lpr oddity Date: 20 Aug 93 02:13:00 GMT I just got lpr running, but I'm running into a problems, not fatal, but I'd like to get it sorted out. - I get: shell-init: Premission denied : Permission denied everytime I run from a virtual console, and it hangs waiting for a Ctl-C to abort and continue. Since the job does print, I have no idea what's going on here. From X-windows, I have no problems in an Xterm, just from a virtual console. This must be an easy one, but it's got me. :-) I've check the FAQ and the PRINTING.FAQ, but nothing springs to mind. ------------------------------ From: ikluft@uts.amdahl.com (Ian Kluft) Subject: Re: linux slow > 16mb RAM? Date: 20 Aug 93 08:01:30 GMT john.will@satalink.com (John Will) writes: >I recently added 4mb to my 16mb system with linux 99pl12 running, and >recompiled the kernel allowing more than 16mb of RAM. Everything ran >ok, but the machine is MUCH slower with more RAM!!! I expected that >there might be a slight overhead, since the question is asked in the >config. but I wasn't prepared for how slow it really was! Is there >something obvious that I'm missing? Running in X, it's painful with >the additional 4mb of RAM, that sure doesn't seem right. :-) This has been discussed before at length. Linus answered this question for someone within the past few months. After several people posted guesses about what could be wrong, he asked the original poster to check his CMOS settings and turn on caching above 16M. In that case, it worked. You should try that first. If that doesn't help, you don't have a large enough cache tag RAM and will need to upgrade it. Some really cheap motherboards are not capable of caching above 16M, in which case you will be better off without the extra 4M you just added. You can already see the disadvantage of having any uncached memory in your system. -- Ian Kluft KD6EUI PP-ASEL Amdahl Corporation, Open Systems Development ikluft@uts.amdahl.com Santa Clara, CA [disclaimer: any opinions expressed are mine only... not those of my employer] ------------------------------ From: cnlau1@ie.cuhk.hk (lau chi ngan) Subject: X installation on MCC Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 05:29:02 GMT I have installed MCC Linux on my 486 pc. Can anybody tell me how to install X windows on MCC Linux? There is no "useradd" program in MCC, where can I get it? Roland -- The Chinese University of Hong Kong Department of Information Engineering Internet: cnlau1@ie.cuhk.hk ------------------------------ From: mchivers@rp.CSIRO.AU (Michael Chivers (Summer Student)) Subject: TI travelmate laptop problems? Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 07:56:22 GMT A few months back a group of people here tried to get Linux AND X11 running on a TI Travelmate active TFT colour machine. The main problem then seemed to be the video driver (they could only get monochrome). Aparently there are drivers for the Cirrus chip inside the Travelmate and I see in linux.announce just now that there is an alpha release of the ballpoint mouse driver. Has anybody reported other problems with Linux/X11 on the Travelmate? Thanks for any responses. *----------------------------------------------------------------------* * Mike Chivers * * mchivers@rp.csiro.au * * * * 'Have you ever seen Sydney from a 747 at night' - Paul Kelly * *----------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ From: oreillym@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Michael O'Reilly) Subject: Re: Term limitation or easy Unix question? Date: 20 Aug 1993 08:23:51 GMT Jeremy Joseph Gordon (jgordon@wam.umd.edu) wrote: : I am now donning my flame-retardant suit to ask this question.... : suppose I have three users logged in over null-modem serial cables, : and I have a 14.4 modem connected to my local school, I want to run : term as root right before I run xdm on my console at startup so that : any of my users can termtelent or termftp or termfinger to any : machine in the universe... well my problem is that whoever runs : the term daemon is the only person that can run a term client (like : termtelnet, termftp etc...) I set the permissions on term like so : (for now) a+rwxs, so its read write and excute and suid' for : everybody.... any term client not run by the runners of the daemon : gets a"Connect invalid argument:" error.... help! is this just : a case of not setting the right permission, or something I missed in : a readme of FAQ? please email any helpful (or commiserating) responses : to jgordon@wam.umd.edu... these newsgroups are getting really big!! : Thanks in advance... : Jeremy Gordon : jgordon@wam.umd.edu If you run term as user 'joe', then anyone other than joe should do: 'export TERMDIR=~joe' (under bash) or 'setenv TERMDIR ~joe' (under tcsh) Michael. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Activists-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux) via: Internet: Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de pub/msdos/replace The current version of Linux is 0.99pl9 released on April 23, 1993 End of Linux-Activists Digest ******************************