From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Wed, 18 Aug 93 23:13:07 EDT Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #139 Linux-Activists Digest #139, Volume #6 Wed, 18 Aug 93 23:13:07 EDT Contents: Re: NetBSD's ash as /bin/sh substitute on Linux (Harald.Eikrem@delab.sintef.no) ctrlaltdel problem (Alan Storey) Re: Compiling kernel (Ramiro Estrugo) Re: Compiling kernel (Yonik Christopher Seeley) Cross-compiling on Sun (Brian Ullmark) Re: Is Jana still around?? (Ernest Leuenberger) *HELP: Storing a1.3(SLS) at DEC-5000 (slzw0@cc.usu.edu) nntp over term (Scott Leno) Does Linux support shared memory (Gary Manning) Re: libc-4.4.2, where is it ? (Joe Rosenfeld) Re: Databases for linux? (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) Re: nntp over term (System Administrator) Joe can't write? (John Will) linux slow > 16mb RAM? (John Will) Anyone get PRIAM RLL to parition/work under Linux? (Dan Thurman) Re: IrisGL/OpenGL for Linux (Matthew Hannigan) Re: Xview3L4 update? (Matthew Hannigan) Fidonet Support... (william m) File table overflow (Daniel T. Schwager) Re: Adaptec 2742 working under Linux? (Scott M. Ferris) Re: mtab, fstab, mount & du... Was: Set up Swap disk & ps problem (Juha Laiho) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crossposted-To: comp.unix.shell From: Harald.Eikrem@delab.sintef.no Subject: Re: NetBSD's ash as /bin/sh substitute on Linux Date: 19 Aug 93 00:32:29 ! >One serious complaint I have about the NetBSD shell is that they threw out ! >the builtin "test" and "expr" that Almquist had put in. Anyone know why ! >they did so? ! ! Because Berkeley did. Yes, but WHY? A modern Bournish shell language which depends on an external program to evaluate common if-statements? It's so silly..... ~~h ------------------------------ From: astorey@NeoSoft.com (Alan Storey) Subject: ctrlaltdel problem Date: 8 Aug 93 07:10:16 GMT I have noticed that the ctrl+alt+del key sequence is not being recognized by Init (vers. 2.4) when I run the 99.pl11 kernel. It works fine under 99.pl8. Has anyone else experienced this problem? If so, is there a fix available? Is there a better place to post such questions? Thanks, Alan -- --- Alan Storey --- astorey@NeoSoft.com ------------------------------ From: restrugo@netcom.com (Ramiro Estrugo) Subject: Re: Compiling kernel Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 22:56:01 GMT Chip Gregory (s4ucwg@fnma.COM) wrote: : I would like to learn how to compile the kernel. For example, I : would like to disable the 3-finger boot. I read in a FAQ how to do : that. : o Do I to apply all patches (in sequence?) from 6 on? : o As I apply patches would a change like the one to C_A_D be : undone? : o If I recompile the kernel and later get a new series A, how : do I install it? : Thanks, : - Chip I would also like to know more about compiling the kernel, can anyone direct us to a possible source (FAQ ?) where we might learn more about this? thanks. ramiro restrugo@netcom.com ------------------------------ From: yseeley@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yonik Christopher Seeley) Subject: Re: Compiling kernel Date: Wed, 18 Aug 93 23:49:15 GMT In article restrugo@netcom.com (Ramiro Estrugo) writes: >Chip Gregory (s4ucwg@fnma.COM) wrote: > >: I would like to learn how to compile the kernel. For example, I >: would like to disable the 3-finger boot. I read in a FAQ how to do >: that. >: o Do I to apply all patches (in sequence?) from 6 on? I think that there were some major changes, so there are not patches all the way up. Why not just get the whole new version? (Unless you have to pay for downloads or something...) >: o As I apply patches would a change like the one to C_A_D be >: undone? >: o If I recompile the kernel and later get a new series A, how >: do I install it? Series A? SLS? Install the A series the way you normally would. Just rename your custom compiled kernel something else so it won't get written over though... > >: Thanks, >: - Chip > >I would also like to know more about compiling the kernel, can anyone >direct us to a possible source (FAQ ?) where we might learn more about >this? thanks. Best place to find out about that is the kernel sources. If you don't have them, then get them and install in /usr/src. There is a rather good README in /usr/src/linux that explains compiling the kernel. Believe me, I was hesitant at first, but it was really easy (almost idiot proof)! - Yonik Seeley yseeley@cs.stanford.edu > >ramiro >restrugo@netcom.com > ------------------------------ From: brian@key.amdahl.com (Brian Ullmark) Subject: Cross-compiling on Sun Date: 18 Aug 1993 17:00:26 -0700 Hello - I seem to remember stuff going by about cross-compiling Linux stuff on a different system. I haven't heard anything about this lately. Is it possible to compile stuff on my Sun IPC (w/gcc) for later use on my 386? I would also be interested in compiling 6502 code on my Linux box also... It would be nice to be able to recompile the kernel for a specific boxes attributes. I don't have a second PC to do it on so I guess I'm SOL otherwise... Brian -- Brian A. Ullmark - Staff Engineer Phone: (510) 623-5090 Amdahl Corporation - Open Systems FAX: (510) 770-0493 46525 Landing Parkway M/S 580 Email: brian@key.amdahl.com Fremont, CA 94538 CompuServe: 70023,1477 ------------------------------ From: ernestl@bcars373.BNR.CA (Ernest Leuenberger) Subject: Re: Is Jana still around?? Reply-To: ernestl@bnr.ca Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 22:31:37 GMT In article <24r66rINNij3@usenet.pa.dec.com>, barrett@pamsrc.enet.dec.com (Keith Barrett) writes: |> |> |> I also have not been able to get a response from them. Pretty much trashes |> their "we're all better, try us now" plea. |> |> Well, $60 for 2 CDs wasn't too bad. ;-) |> I did get a response from them today from their mailbot to a message I sent about a week ago. It was exactly the same message I got almost a month ago from them. ... > The current issue is shipping now. This issue contains Linux 0.99pl9 >and the next issue should go out during the middle of August. Also note >that the price will be going up to $99( One year )... They may still be on track. It always depends what they condider 'middle of August' (could be August 2-30, some people's middle can be large :) ) I'm not too worried about getting the latest SLS the second it comes out. My current system is stable and works great. Besides that, Slackware is better anyways. |> -- |> |> Keith Barrett (\___/) Ernest ------------------------------ From: slzw0@cc.usu.edu Subject: *HELP: Storing a1.3(SLS) at DEC-5000 Date: 18 Aug 93 17:42:16 MDT I was working at DEC-5000 workstaion in order to store SLS "a1" ( the first disk) into 3.5" disk (a1.3) but it was not successful because 1) a1.3 was bigger than 1.44M 2) according to the SLS README file, I am suppose to store in image format (cannot use "mcopy"). So, I tried "dd if=a1.3 of=/dev/floppy bs=16k) but didn't work. How can I store a1.3 into 3.5" format disk if I would like to work at DEC-5000? Additionally, I wonder, all of those a1-x10 are binary files. (Should I FTP all of those files at binary mode?) Thank you very much. Park ------------------------------ From: scottl@fish.dev.cdx.mot.com (Scott Leno) Subject: nntp over term Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 22:11:14 GMT Has anyone had any luck rigging term and so one can read news over the serial line? -- peace, love and good karma, Scott "Said the straight man to the late man ------------------------------ From: glm@netcom.com (Gary Manning) Subject: Does Linux support shared memory Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 00:47:29 GMT All, I have just installed a recent SLS release of linux on my machine. It appears that the version I am running does NOT support shared memory. Are there versions that do? Is this something that I need to "turn on"? Is this a faq? Thanks. Gary glm@netcom.com -- Gary "Signature under constuction" glm@netcom.com ------------------------------ From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) Subject: Re: libc-4.4.2, where is it ? Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 01:05:02 GMT Actually, yo can get the tcp/ip to work, it just takes a lot of unravelling of the components. Would still like to get the latest libs, etc, but at least I am on the net. Cowboy ------------------------------ From: zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) Subject: Re: Databases for linux? Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 01:01:19 GMT In article <1993Aug18.114251.2189@almserv.uucp> s4ucwg@fnma.COM writes: >Are there any database packages that work under linux? Yes! ingres, postgres, mbase, diamond. They should be available from sunsite.unc.edu or your nearest linux archive. Zeyd >Thanks, >- Chip > > ------------------------------ From: root@darktower.wastelands.com (System Administrator) Subject: Re: nntp over term Date: 19 Aug 1993 01:21:25 GMT In article , Scott Leno wrote: > Has anyone had any luck rigging term and so one can read news > over the serial line? I'm doing it right now. Get nntplink-3.1.0.tar.z and your favorite newsreader (tin, trn, nn) I'm using trn-3.2 which compiled right out of the box. You just need to compile the newsreader to use an nntp newserver. It's very cool. Basically, using term, you need to set YOUR machine as the nntpserver, and tredir port 119 to your real newserver. (on local) tredir 119 your.news.server:119 viola. - liem -- =[ roland@cac.washington.edu ]===============================[ Linux!!!! ]=== "As you humans say, I'm all ears!" | UCS Consulting, UofWashington - Ferengi | Co-captain UW Ice Hockey ================[note: direct email responses invalid! ]===================== ------------------------------ From: john.will@satalink.com (John Will) Subject: Joe can't write? Date: 18 Aug 93 23:59:00 GMT I have a slightly annoying problem with an application on a linux system here that I've been unable to figure out. I have two systems running linux, X, networking, etc. everything seems to be working fine. I built the second system by tar'ing the first onto a tape and dumping it onto the partition of the second one, so they should be close in configuration. The problem is that the editor joe can't edit an existing file, but it can create a new one! When I attempt to save a file that I've edited on my second system with joe, I get: Couldn't make backup file... file not saved Doing an identical operation on the first system works like a champ. Since I'm doing this as root, it doesn't seem to be a permissions problem, but I sure can't figure it out! Anyone have any idea what may be causing the problem? BTW, I've installed the same copy of joe on each system, so it's not that. :-) ------------------------------ From: john.will@satalink.com (John Will) Subject: linux slow > 16mb RAM? Date: 19 Aug 93 00:29:00 GMT I recently added 4mb to my 16mb system with linux 99pl12 running, and recompiled the kernel allowing more than 16mb of RAM. Everything ran ok, but the machine is MUCH slower with more RAM!!! I expected that there might be a slight overhead, since the question is asked in the config. but I wasn't prepared for how slow it really was! Is there something obvious that I'm missing? Running in X, it's painful with the additional 4mb of RAM, that sure doesn't seem right. :-) ------------------------------ From: dant@atlastele.com (Dan Thurman) Subject: Anyone get PRIAM RLL to parition/work under Linux? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 20:19:03 GMT I was not able to partiton my Priam RLL drive, as I got all sorts of errors when it came time to use the `mke2fs' program. My Priam Manual states that I should not use any disk programs other that Priam's own utilities. Help!!! -- Dan Thurman EMAIL1: dant@cmsun1.atlastele.com (work) Atlas Telecom EMAIL2: dant@lostark.rain.com (home) 4640 SW Macadam Ave. VOICE: [USA] 1+503.228.1400 x251 Portland, OR 97201 FAX: [USA] 1+503.228.0368 ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.graphics.opengl From: matth@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Matthew Hannigan) Subject: Re: IrisGL/OpenGL for Linux Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 00:30:09 GMT tabaer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Troy A. Baer) writes: >A while back somebody mentioned a GL workalike project called "freeGL" or >something like that, and said there was a mailing list for it. After >checking both archie and the list of mailing-lists at rtfm.mit.edu, >I can't find anything about it. Does anyone have any information on >this project, or at least have a contact for it? Found it. To subscribe, mail to freegl-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu -- -Matt ------------------------------ From: matth@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Matthew Hannigan) Subject: Re: Xview3L4 update? Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 01:38:20 GMT broadley@neurocog.lrdc.pitt.edu (Bill Broadley) writes: > [ .. ] >I managed to fix most of the Makefiles, but they had obvious errors like: >C++FLAGS = -I$(OPENWINHOME)/include/uit -I$(UITHOME)/include/c++ \ > -L$(UITHOME)/lib -L$(OPENWINHOME)/lib >Why -L stuff in the C++flags instead of just includes??? Can't help you with your problem sorry, but I'd just like to make a coment on this. C++FLAGS should be used for just options like -O and -g, NOT libs OR includes. LDLIBS and CPPFLAGS should be used instead, respectively (or their C++ equivalents.) As an example, here is my _entire_ Makefile I use when making single file xview apps: CFLAGS=-g -DDEBUG CPPFLAGS=-I$(OPENWINHOME)/include LDLIBS=-L$(OPENWINHOME)/lib -lxview -lolgx -lX11 Look Ma, no targets! And Suns make, (and presumably gmake) is smart enough to do the right thing when given something like 'make myprog', searching for myprog.c and compiling it properly. When I want to do a final 'release' compile, I just invoke make as 'make CFLAGS=-O myprog' -- -Matt Member, World Organisation for Shorter Makefiles ------------------------------ From: utter@acsu.buffalo.edu (william m) Subject: Fidonet Support... Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 02:17:06 GMT I would like to talk to anyhow who is currently running a fidonet node under Linux. I have recently moved my BBS from DOS to Linux. I would like to keep Fidonet available to the users, but I don't want to run some "Linux BBS package" (Such as XBBS). I plan on letting my users have a plan OS prompt to play with. Any help would be great. Thanks. -- Bill Utter utter@acsu.buffalo.edu utter@blocks.com (coming soon) Hated DOS, Liked DV, Loved OS/2, but Loving Linux. ------------------------------ From: danny@dragon.stgt.sub.org (Daniel T. Schwager) Subject: File table overflow Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 22:32:41 GMT Hi all, I have some problems with the new kernel (99p12 without alpha (08/15/93)): After working a periode of time (starting an closing a lot of applications), the kernel (or something else) say: 'File table overflow' I can replicate this fault by starting a lot of xterm's (10 xterm's). Any comments about this failture ?? Danny -- ,,, (^ ^) ==================oOO==(_)==OOo======================= Danny ------------------------------ From: sferris@mac.cc.macalstr.edu (Scott M. Ferris) Subject: Re: Adaptec 2742 working under Linux? Date: 18 Aug 93 21:26:22 -0600 In article , pim@cti-software.nl (Pim Zandbergen) writes: > tul@tonga.heidelbg.ibm.com (Thomas Uhl) writes: > >>Is the new EISA Controller 2742 from Adaptec working under Linux? > > After asking around in comp.periphs.scsi, I was told the 274X cards use > a different chipset, which is not compatible with the 174X cards. > > This would mean the 2742 will not work unless someone writes a driver for it. Which will happen eventually. If nobody else volunteers I'll be giving it a shot. I've got a new machine coming with an Adaptec 2742T and a gig SCSI drive, and tech specs on the card coming from Adaptec. It should be interesting, if not necessarily successful. Anyone else interested in developing/testing a driver for the AHA2742T can mail me at: sferris@macalstr.edu Of course, the first problem I'll have to overcome is getting a kernal compiled with the driver in it. I can keep the Linux source on the SCSI if I use an OS Adaptec ships a driver for, but compiling all the source on the 120 Meg IDE from my old machine won't work well, and I'd rather not pay $$ for a decently sized IDE when I've got a gig SCSI sitting there. There are times when a generic INT 13 driver would come in handy. Though perhaps I can fit the Linux binaries and all the necessary objects on the 120 Meg IDE, and just compile the driver and link. > -- > E-mail : Pim Zandbergen > S-mail : Laan Copes van Cattenburch 70, 2585 GD The Hague, The Netherlands > Phone : +31 70 3542302 > Fax : +31 70 3512837 Scott M. Ferris, sferris@macalstr.edu ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: jlaiho@ichaos.nullnet.fi (Juha Laiho) Subject: Re: mtab, fstab, mount & du... Was: Set up Swap disk & ps problem Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 18:02:59 GMT Karl Keyte, ESOC Darmstadt said: >In article , JOSEPH@ob.missouri.edu says: >> ...lines deleted... >>Secondly, I tried to run ps, and it did not work (of >>course, I have the proc directory and fstat file) But >>if I run "mount -a" and then ps, it works perfectly, >>How can I get rid of the "mount -a" for ps to work?? >>Thanks!!! >Somebody mentioned to me that there's something in the /etc/rc which >is zapping 'mtab' but I haven't had time to check that one out yet. > >In any case, there's something a few of us are doing wrong - can anyone >help? I hope these are of any help: my /etc/fstab: /dev/hda1 / ext2 defaults /dev/hda2 none swap defaults /dev/hda3 /usr ext2 defaults /dev/hdb1 /usr2 ext2 defaults /dev/sr0 /cdrom iso9660 ro /proc /proc proc ro And selected parts of my /etc/rc: (cutoffs marked with ....) #!/bin/sh .... # remove /etc/mtab* so that mount will create it with a root entry /bin/rm -f /etc/mtab* /etc/nologin /etc/utmp # mount file systems in fstab (and create an entry for /) # but not NFS because TCP/IP is not yet configured # No, I don't even have NFS here.. not yet, at least /etc/mount -avt nonfs .... NOTE! I do NOT have any lines like rdev >/etc/mtab in my /etc/rc. If you have something like that, try commenting it out. (But remember to keep a reliable boot/root diskette at hand, just in case..) And some permissions: drwxr-xr-x 5 bin bin 3072 Aug 18 20:28 /etc -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 162 Aug 18 17:12 /etc/fstab -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 152 Aug 18 20:28 /etc/mtab (Followups to col.help; let's try to make col go away quick..) -- Wolf a.k.a. Juha Laiho Helsinki, Finland (Geek Code 1.0.1) GCS d? p c++ l++ u(-) e+ m+ s+/- n- h(*) f(?) !g w+ t- r y+ "...cancel my subscription to the resurrection!" 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