From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Tue, 17 Aug 93 12:13:12 EDT Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #131 Linux-Activists Digest #131, Volume #6 Tue, 17 Aug 93 12:13:12 EDT Contents: Ncurses, how do I... (Jason Siemens) [ANNOUNCEMENT] Icmake 5.02 Re: Tractatus Linuxicus Newbius (David Truckenmiller) Re: libc-4.4.2, where is it ? (H.J. Lu) Re: When's Linux 1.0 coming out? (Mark A. Davis) Re: Xfree bug in Linux, or hardware problem??? [SOLVED] (The Cybard) which (Kerry Kimes) WABI/WINAPI - a Retraction (Byron A Jeff) BUG in fvwm v0.93, get v0.94 (The Cybard) Re: Why would I want LINUX? (Thomas Pfau) mtab, fstab, mount & du... Was: Set up Swap disk & ps problem (Karl Keyte, ESOC Darmstadt) Re: casts (was SCO cc is broken?) (Roger Binns) Re: When's Linux 1.0 coming out? (Roger Binns) Re: Problems compiling Xboard 2.1 pl11 (Mark Lord) setting up Pop mail (JOSEPH@ob.missouri.edu) Re: When's Linux 1.0 coming out? (Marc G Fournier) which (Kerry Kimes) Re: When's Linux 1.0 coming out? (James Hammett) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Ncurses, how do I... From: jason.siemens@canrem.com (Jason Siemens) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 93 18:49:00 -0400 -> I am trying to do some C programming under Linux. I am having -> trouble with a particular routine I am pretty sure it's in the -> ncurses library. What am I trying to do is the following. -> -> Print some text, then have the user input *1* character of -> information. getchar() only works if you hit carriage return. I want -> the user to just hit one key on the keyboard and then have that -> keystroke returned to the calling part of the program. Sort of like -> an inkey function in BASIC. -> -> My C is a little rusty, so please email me with any info to help -> solve this problem. I am also then interested to see what command -> syntax I need to use to cc (what -l options do I need to use?) -> -> Thanks, -> Fozzie Try : int key; while (!kbhit()) {}; key = getch(); I not sure whether you have kbhit() and getch() but there should be some other similiar functions. I am using Borland C++ 3.1 for DOS but these functions are usually standard. I have them in STDIO.H and CONIO.H. Hope this helps, Jason Siemens. jason.siemens@canrem.com ------------------------------ From: karel@icce.rug.nl () Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Icmake 5.02 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 12:14:24 GMT Hiya Netters: Since I can't post to c.o.l.a., my announcement goes here. Icmake 5.02 is out. I just uploaded it to tsx-11.mit.edu, so it might take a while before it's moved to pub/linux/sources/usr.bin. The old version, 5.01, should still be there. In the meantime you might want to get it from beatrix.icce.rug.nl, directory pub/unix. Also, the file icmake.doc has been updated. New features: more built-in functions for string handling. That's all, Cheers, Karel. -- The ICCE usenet account providing access to usenet news for the ICCE Experience _WERKEN_AAN_DE_GRENZEN_VAN_HET_KUNNEN_ ------------------------------ From: trucken@exa.cs.umn.edu (David Truckenmiller) Subject: Re: Tractatus Linuxicus Newbius Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 13:03:36 GMT In <24q88v$ndo@agate.berkeley.edu> tito@uclink.berkeley.edu (Attilio Shaud Ingargiola) writes: >Hiya Linux-folk: > I'm new to Linux, unix and computers (just been messing >with them for the last six months or so), and I recently installed >Linux on my system (486dx33). Now, as I'd understood it, installation >was the hardest part of Linux--once I got it onto my system I'd just >have some unix commands to learn and voila! I'd be rolling. > > "Ha!" [Rest of colorful diatribe :-) deleted] Try the "book" in /pub/Linux/docs/LDP/install-guide on sunsite.unc.edu In its (approx) 150 pages, it explains much of how unix works to the newbie like yourself. I enjoyed it, and I've been working with unixes for about 8 years. Failing that, I noticed that the local bookstore now contains at least 2 dozen books about unix. The only ones that are missing are "Unix for Dummies," and "I Hate Unix." (Though, I'm sure they're due out any day now. :-) ) If you have trouble finding the book, or need more information about getting it, or what ever, feel free to email me directly. -Dave -- --- Dave Truckenmiller (trucken@cs.umn.edu) [ ASCII picture ] Linux, Linux, Linux, Linux, Linux, Linux. [ under development ] ------------------------------ From: hjl@nynexst.com (H.J. Lu) Subject: Re: libc-4.4.2, where is it ? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 93 13:19:15 GMT In article <93229.024725K111114@ALIJKU11.BITNET>, writes: |> please, can someone upload the libc-4.4.2 binaries to sunsite/tsx or funet? |> |> greetings, Herp It is stilled under testing. Join the GCC channel if you want to use it. Be prepared to compile it yourself. The first patch for 4.4.2 was released last Sunday. H.J. ------------------------------ From: mark@taylor.uucp (Mark A. Davis) Subject: Re: When's Linux 1.0 coming out? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 12:46:22 GMT calica@cae.wisc.edu (Carlo James Calica) writes: >In article <24p4h8$g81@agate.berkeley.edu> genie@con.Berkeley.EDU (Gene Choi) writes: >>In article >* >>* just out of curiostiy, can anyone give me an estimate of the relase >>* date for Linux 1.0? After all, the version number is getting pretty >>* close to it. >>* >>* >>I'd say that linux should be released as 1.0 when the networking code >>becomes rock solid. Net-2 is a drastic improvement (if one can get >>it installed at all that is). Everything else about linux is rock >>solid, in my opinion. Maybe in a couple of monthes, all the difficulties >>people are having with Net-2 could be worked out. Then, I'd call >>it version 1.0. >> >> >Actually what would be pretty neat is if 1.0 would be put on hold until >WABI, ELF, and maybe even COFF support is fairly concrete. (Or even early >BETA) What capabilities for its first non-beta release! You took the words right out of my mouth. WABI could be a later add-on, but full ELF and COFF are major and Unix native enough. That plus good documentation and administration tools and the concept is complete. It would appear this may not be too far away at the rate things are changing. -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Mark A. Davis | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 | | Sys.Administrator| Computer Services | mark@taylor.wyvern.com .uucp | \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.windows.x.i386unix From: dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Cybard) Subject: Re: Xfree bug in Linux, or hardware problem??? [SOLVED] Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 14:24:41 GMT dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Cybard) writes: >I have been suddenly experiencing a problem in Xfree86 under Linux, and I'm >not sure if it is a software bug, or a sudden hardware failure. Here is my >system: > Insight 486DX-33 ISA, 64K cache > 8 MB RAM > IDE drive controller / IO card > 130 MB Seagate HD (124MB DOS / 6MB Linux swap) > 170 MB WD Caviar HD (170 MB Linux ext2fs) > SoundBlaster Basic v1.0 (IRQ7) > 14.4 K baud internal modem (COM2) > Logitech busmouse > Diamond SpeedStar 24 (not X) graphics card > TVM MediaScan 4A+ monitor > SLS 1.02 with the following upgrades: > kernel pl11 > GCC 2.4.5 > libc 4.4.1 > fvwm 0.92 ^^^^^^^^^ > Xfree 1.3 >I have been running with this configuration for a while now, but just >recently I've been experiencing the system hanging, especially while >running kermit or Seyon with Xfree running. Also, I've been getting short >horizontal line segments scattered in my xterm or on the root window, or >both. (Aren't these usually a symptom of a bad video card?) Refreshing >the screen does not work. I would only say that these problems might be >related, only because they started happening at the same time. Is this a >bug in Linux or Xfree, or is this a hardware problem? (or both?) >Thanks. >PS: I run Xfree in 1152x900 mode using the freq program with the line: >freq 62000 2 First off, I was not using fvwm v0.92, I was using v0.93. This is when the problems of the mysterious dashes and system crashes started occuring. As soon as I upgraded to v0.94, the problems disappeared. By the way, it is a good idea to keep a logbook for your computer. Make entries with a date and time. Include all modifications, upgrades and problems. It makes troubleshooting a lot easier, especially when running such a rapidly changing OS such as Linux. -- David Thomas Dudek / 098pwxs@ubvms.bitnet \ __ _ The Cybard State University / dudek@.acsu.buffalo.edu \ / `-' ) ,,, of New York / "If music be the food of love, \ | | ()|||||||[:::} @ Buffalo / play on!" - Wm. Shakespeare \ `__.-._) ''' ------------------------------ From: ackack@eskimo.com (Kerry Kimes) Subject: which Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 04:42:21 GMT Has anyone ported the nice little utility which to linux? ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc From: byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) Subject: WABI/WINAPI - a Retraction Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 14:34:50 GMT I'm guilty of spreading mis-information. I'd like to print a retraction. Can someone in the know post the status of these two projects? Followups to comp.os.linux.misc only. > > > [ Someone in the ether wrote... ] > > >Is there a WABI alike support for LINUX? If yes what it is call? > > >And when would be available? (WABI is developed for SUN OS to run > > >MS Windows application.) > > [ I replied ] > > Yes. It's pre-Alpha and doesn't do anything real yet. It can be found in > > both the SLS 1.03 and latest Slackware distributions under winapi.tgz. > > [ pschen deleted portion about it being pre-Alpha and currently unusable.] > [ pschen stuck in my mailbox ] > WA!! So good, I hope "WABI alike" can be product . > Can it run Windows-program,OS/2,MAC? > I hope it can !!:) [ My reply to pschen. And retraction ] I've confused two different development efforts. The WINAPI stuff allows you compile windows sources and it substitutes X calls for the Windows calls. That's what's in the SLS/Slackware distributions. The WABI stuff will allow you to run Windows Binaries directly. Again from what I understand there will be an equivalent to a Windows DLL that will translate windows calls to X calls dynamically. Now before you go off jumping for joy: 1) WINAPI is in pre-alpha. 2) The WABI folks aren't talking. I have not seen any software yet. 3) We're talking Windows only. Linux's job is not to emulate every OS on the planet. It's just that there is such a huge body of DOS/Windows programs - that being able to run them without leaving Linux and to be able to run other programs while DOS/Windows programs execute is a useful tool. ====================== Personal opinion time ============================= I personally prefer Linux based tools and programs to DOS/Windows programs. Unix code is generally cleaner - more readable - and has calls I know and understand. WABI is useful because there are a few useful Windows programs that required a tremendous amount of programming effort, only has the binary available and doesn't have a Linux equivalent on the horizon. WABI will execute those binaries. So I'd advise in the meantime to just keep a partition available with all of the DOS/Windows programs that you absolutely must have. Migrate everything else to Linux. Incidentally I was cleaning out my DOS partition last night. I found about 13 Meg of stuff (out of 21 Meg) that I'd either moved to Linux, or didn't need. And now that I have DOSEMU running (Yeah! That's a program to jump for joy about...) I can run the few DOS applications my wife uses from Linux. Life is good. BAJ --- Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of... Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel! Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.windows.x.i386unix From: dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Cybard) Subject: BUG in fvwm v0.93, get v0.94 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 14:34:24 GMT I experienced several problems when upgrading from fvwm 0.92 to 0.93. The problems included system crashes and mysterious small horizontal line segments that would appear on the screen (a symptom usually attributed to a bad graphics card). All the problems were solved after I downloaded and compiled fvwm v0.94 from sunsite in /pub/Linux/Incoming/. By the way, fvwm is a great program. Thank you, Rob Nation! -- David Thomas Dudek / 098pwxs@ubvms.bitnet \ __ _ The Cybard State University / dudek@.acsu.buffalo.edu \ / `-' ) ,,, of New York / "If music be the food of love, \ | | ()|||||||[:::} @ Buffalo / play on!" - Wm. Shakespeare \ `__.-._) ''' ------------------------------ From: pfau@coffee.enet.dec.com (Thomas Pfau) Subject: Re: Why would I want LINUX? Date: 17 AUG 93 10:39:45 In article , exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (*-- Sunbird --*) writes... >In article <1993Aug13.140732.12448@jac.nuo.dec.com> pfau@coffee.enet.dec.com (Thomas Pfau) writes: > >>You don't need Borland C++ if you have GNU C++. Besides, with linux, you >>get true 32 bit integers and 32 bit flat address. With Borland, you get >>32 bit integers probably through emulation and you're stuck with > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Yes. It's doing 16 bits of math at a time and using carry/borrow flags instead of using a true 32 bit word. tom_p ====================================================================== pfau@coffee.enet.dec.com | Mapmaker's disclaimer: 16.69.208.195 | 'Not responsible for topographical Compuserve: 73303,1136 | errors.' ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 15:13:57 CET From: Karl Keyte, ESOC Darmstadt Subject: mtab, fstab, mount & du... Was: Set up Swap disk & ps problem In article , JOSEPH@ob.missouri.edu says: > ...lines deleted... >Secondly, I tried to run ps, and it did not work (of >course, I have the proc directory and fstat file) But >if I run "mount -a" and then ps, it works perfectly, >How can I get rid of the "mount -a" for ps to work?? >Thanks!!! Hmmm. I'm having this problem and seemingly many others are. I've tried variations of 'fstab' entries and still no joy. The 'du' program also fails because 'mtab' is empty. If I manually mount another device, a DOS partition for example, then 'du' works but STILL doesn't show my root partition '/'. Somebody mentioned to me that there's something in the /etc/rc which is zapping 'mtab' but I haven't had time to check that one out yet. In any case, there's something a few of us are doing wrong - can anyone help? Karl ======================================================================== Vitrociset S.p.A. (Space Division) Tel : +(49) 6151 902041 Eurepean Space Operations Centre Fax : +(49) 6151 904041 Darmstadt, Germany e-Mail: kkeyte@esoc.bitnet ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c From: rogerb@x.co.uk (Roger Binns) Subject: Re: casts (was SCO cc is broken?) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 14:52:26 GMT Mark Eichin (eichin@tweedledumber.cyGNUs.com) wrote: : To reiterate, this was under SCO 3.2v4.0 and ODT 2.0... Thanks to my : complaints here, I'm now aware that some bugs of the above type have : been fixed, and that many of the other problems I had have also been $ uname -a wilts wilts 3.2 2 i386 $ man cc ... Description cc is the C compiler command, and is based on Microsoft's C compiler ver- sion 6. It creates executable programs by compiling and linking the ... Microsoft are not known for the quality of their compilers. Ask any windows or dos developer of a large application. In fact as little ones too. Roger ------------------------------ From: rogerb@x.co.uk (Roger Binns) Subject: Re: When's Linux 1.0 coming out? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 15:02:34 GMT Gene Choi (genie@con.Berkeley.EDU) wrote: : Any guesses as to how many patch levels 0.99 will go up to? About another three. Thats when 0.100pl1 comes out. Roger ------------------------------ From: mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord) Subject: Re: Problems compiling Xboard 2.1 pl11 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 93 14:46:30 GMT In article sprute@hrz.uni-bielefeld.de writes: >In article <...> aa934@Freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Francis) writes: >> >> In a previous article, g2jszeto@cdf.toronto.edu (Szeto June) says: >> > >> > Hello, all. I've been dutifully trying to compile xboard [...] >> > and have been experiencing difficulties. [...] >> > Any help would be appreciated, >> > >> > Frustrated, >> > June Szeto >> > g2jszeto@cdf.toronto.edu > >Don't worry, be happy: > >xboard-3.0 is going to be published during the next days. > >I've tested it under Linux and it compiled and ran >without any problems. >You only need to define -DFLEX, but this is mentioned >in the INSTALL file, too. > >I hope that xboard will finally be included >in the next SLS and Slackware distributions. Along with gnuchess 4.0, one would assume! -- mlord@bnr.ca Mark Lord BNR Ottawa,Canada 613-763-7482 ------------------------------ From: JOSEPH@ob.missouri.edu Subject: setting up Pop mail Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 15:24:49 GMT I intend to set up Pop (Pop3) mail. Can some kind souls point me the direction about what program I should use (FTP able?)? and the setup?? Thanks!! ------------------------------ From: marcf@nexus.yorku.ca (Marc G Fournier) Subject: Re: When's Linux 1.0 coming out? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 15:22:58 GMT mark@taylor.uucp (Mark A. Davis) writes: >calica@cae.wisc.edu (Carlo James Calica) writes: >>In article <24p4h8$g81@agate.berkeley.edu> genie@con.Berkeley.EDU (Gene Choi) writes: >>>In article >>* >>>* just out of curiostiy, can anyone give me an estimate of the relase >>>* date for Linux 1.0? After all, the version number is getting pretty >>>* close to it. >>>* >>>* >>>I'd say that linux should be released as 1.0 when the networking code >>>becomes rock solid. Net-2 is a drastic improvement (if one can get >>>it installed at all that is). Everything else about linux is rock >>>solid, in my opinion. Maybe in a couple of monthes, all the difficulties >>>people are having with Net-2 could be worked out. Then, I'd call >>>it version 1.0. >>> >>> >>Actually what would be pretty neat is if 1.0 would be put on hold until >>WABI, ELF, and maybe even COFF support is fairly concrete. (Or even early >>BETA) What capabilities for its first non-beta release! >You took the words right out of my mouth. WABI could be a later add-on, >but full ELF and COFF are major and Unix native enough. That plus good >documentation and administration tools and the concept is complete. Wait...we are asking for 1.0 of the kernel, not the 'packages' that are being distributed. I agree with what ppl are saying would be nice to have completed for 1.0, but don't lump documentation/adminstration tools are part of 1.0... marc ------------------------------ Subject: which From: ackack@eskimo.com (Kerry Kimes) Date: 17 Aug 93 11:10:23 +0600 Message-ID: Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 04:42:21 GMT Lines: 2 Has anyone ported the nice little utility which to linux? ------------------------------ From: James Hammett Subject: Re: When's Linux 1.0 coming out? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 15:24:56 GMT In article Lawrence Foard, entropy@world.std.com writes: In article Lawrence Foard, entropy@world.std.com writes: >In article stsai@husc11.harvard.edu >(Shun-Chang Tsai) writes: >>just out of curiostiy, can anyone give me an estimate of the relase >>date for Linux 1.0? After all, the version number is getting pretty >>close to it. > >version 1.0 is to linux as the speed of light is to space :-) >No matter how much energy is put into an object it never quite >reachs c. Didn't someone say something about it coming out when Linus gets his Phd? ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Activists-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux) via: Internet: Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de pub/msdos/replace The current version of Linux is 0.99pl9 released on April 23, 1993 End of Linux-Activists Digest ******************************