From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Mon, 16 Aug 93 23:34:28 EDT Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #128 Linux-Activists Digest #128, Volume #6 Mon, 16 Aug 93 23:34:28 EDT Contents: Serial logins break in pl11&12 (Simon J Ferrett) Re: recovering user's files after upgrade (Yonik Christopher Seeley) re: why would I want Linux? libc-4.4.2, where is it ? Re: Accessing Dblspace DOS hard disk (Mark Buckaway) Re: Proposal: E series for the SLS distribution (Warner Losh) re: why SIGBUS isn't there in Linux Re: How to fix a garbled VT ? (Evmorfopoulos Dimitris) Re: Modem? SLIP? How? (Evmorfopoulos Dimitris) tar & mt (JL Gomez) Re: A Word Processor for Linux (Peter C. Norton) VLB IDE controllers, which one's emulate WD1003? (Eric J. Schwertfeger) Re: Why would I want LINUX? (Evmorfopoulos Dimitris) Re: Problems compiling Xboard 2.1 pl11 (Udo Sprute) Where can I get linux and how big is it? (Cara Cocking) Re: From your friends at UNIXWorld (Andrew Bulhak) Linux News Feeds (Tex) Re: Linux News Feeds (Byron A Jeff) Re: When's Linux 1.0 coming out? (Lawrence Foard) Re: VESA local bus (Jon Tombs) pl12 routing + net configuration (Yonik Christopher Seeley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: c9108932@peach.newcastle.edu.au (Simon J Ferrett) Subject: Serial logins break in pl11&12 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 23:33:02 GMT Hello - I was wondering if anyone might be able to shed some light on my problem: currently I am running pl10, and I have two nullmodem cables attatched to com3 and com4 to provide logins to two people elsewhere in the house. This works fine with pl10, I have the cables wired so that DCD and DSR are held high by DTR and the CTS is provided by the remote equpiment (kinda one-way flow control). Anyhow- it works fine. Fine, that is, until I use a kernel >pl10. What happens under pl11 and pl12 is this - Initially after reboot, the serial lines have getty running on them and the remote user can log in (all is good), however, the first time init has to respawn one of the serial port gettys, it only gets about the first 3 letters of the issue file out before it dies & is respawned again. Hence, init stops respawning it cause it happens to much. Does anybody know what changes have been made to the srial drivers, or possibly what else might be the cause of my serial port gettys not to work after the frist go? I have recompiled getty (getty_ps107b) with the new kernel includes and that doesnt appear to help, I thought possibly it could be a problem with init, but everything else seems to work fine. Any help/suggestions greatly appreciated. Simon. -- Simon Ferrett - c9108932@cs.newcastle.edu.au Kentucky (adj.): Fitting exactly and satisfyingly. The cardboard box that slides neatly into an exact space in a garage, or the last book which exactly fills a ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions From: yseeley@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yonik Christopher Seeley) Subject: Re: recovering user's files after upgrade Date: Tue, 17 Aug 93 00:07:09 GMT In article <24p1j6INNhq5@mthvax.cs.miami.edu> wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher) writes: > >I've upgraded to a new SLS, or rather started all over with a >new one. > >I have everything from the old version saved of tape. Further, I have >the disk space to dump that tape out. > >What is the easiest/best way to restore/recreate all the users & >user_specific files to the system? Sure, I can build run useradd, one >by one, fiddle around as needed, but I have to think There Is A Better >Way. What is it? Well, for future reference (it won't help you now), it is advisable to have a separate partition mounted on /home cause you really never want to update anything in user accounts. It also helps greatly if you save all the config files in /etc and some of the others (such as Xconfig). Then you can normally just drop them into the new installation (look at the new files to see if anything has changed first). What I have been wondering is how to keep the changes that I make (such as adding other binaries (or new versions)) in /usr/bin, /usr/local/bin, etc... I think that the inherited file system may be able to help here, but I have not had time to get the docs for it yet. Anyone have any experience with using it this way? Please keep followups in c.o.l since I do not yet get the new newsgroups. - Yonik Seeley yseeley@cs.stanford.edu >-- >A host is a host from coast to coast.....wb8foz@mthvax.cs.miami.edu >& no one will talk to a host that's close............[301] 56-LINUX >Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 >is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 02:41:43 CDT From: Subject: re: why would I want Linux? because, from the system programmers point of view, it offers the whole functionality of s unix operating system on a machine thought for running Dos. A 486/66 or 486/80 is probably as fast as Sparc 2, too. compare the DOS int 21h functions to the functions of unix/linux! and yes, I'd choose Linux because I can run a - irc server on it an LPMud server on it ... and so on ;-) greetings, herp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 02:47:25 CDT From: Subject: libc-4.4.2, where is it ? please, can someone upload the libc-4.4.2 binaries to sunsite/tsx or funet? greetings, Herp ------------------------------ From: mark@datasoft.north.net (Mark Buckaway) Subject: Re: Accessing Dblspace DOS hard disk Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 15:39:39 GMT Luong V Nguyen (luong@athena.mit.edu) wrote: : Hi everybody, : I am having problem accessing my DOS hard disk partition. That partition : is compressed using Dblspace from MSDOS 6.0. I don't know if dblespace is the : cause of this problem or is it something else. I did use the correct mount : command ( mount -t msdos /dev/hda1 etc .. ) and the mounting process worked fine. : There was no error message and I could access the directory where I mounted it. : But when I checked out the directory I could only see several "system files", : which are hidden system files under DOS. Beside seeing those files I can't do : anything else. I can't access the directory tree for that partition. (I believe : I could copy files to that directory or delete those system files .. but I didn't : think I wanted to do that :) ). : Well .. if you have any idea about this problem please let me know. Thanx. The only way to access a Double Space drive is with doublespace. If you do not have it loaded (such as under Linux) you will see a few files including one big file. This file is where your directory tree is. Double Space converts this (decompresses it) on demand to show the directory tree and present the required file. I suppose you could fiddle with the DOSemu to get access to it. Otherwise, you are out of luck. Mark -- Mark Buckaway mark@datasoft.north.net DataSoft Communications uunorth!datasoft!mark System Administrator ------------------------------ From: imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh) Subject: Re: Proposal: E series for the SLS distribution Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 23:02:54 GMT In article <1993Aug16.182352.553@knobel.gun.de> andreas@knobel.gun.de (Andreas Klemm) writes: > sysinstall -special C * install the C set of disks This is wrong. It should read "-series C" Warner -- Warner Losh imp@boulder.parcplace.COM ParcPlace Boulder I've almost finished my brute force solution to subtlety. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 03:11:58 CDT From: Subject: re: why SIGBUS isn't there in Linux oops, I screwed once again. the 386 indeed doesnt have the AC bit. and checking the manual, it tells me that a alignment fault is only generated when in ring 3. i.e., no danger for the kernel :-) /herp ------------------------------ From: devmorfo@mtu.edu (Evmorfopoulos Dimitris) Subject: Re: How to fix a garbled VT ? Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 18:25:32 GMT In article <23u03u$6j8@ionews.io.org>, las@io.org (Laszlo Herczeg) writes: > In article mullally@sse.ie (Ronan Mullally) writes: > > > >I'm sure this is an FAQ, but I haven't been able to find it... > > > >How do I fix a garbled VT after I've cat'ed a binary file ? > > > >-- > > Ronan Mullally /------------------------------ > > Easy: > Type "more /usr/lib/libc.a" and watch the --more-- status window. > Keep pressing the Space key, and when the status window becomes normal > readable text, hit the "q" key on your keyboard. > > You wanted a hacker's answer, so here it is. > > Works 100% of the time. ( I assume your have /usr/lib/libc) > > Laszlo > > PS. the pedantic answer would be to reboot your machine (NEVER!) > -- > ================================================================================ > Laszlo Herczeg E-mail: las@io.org > Be careful : our server is being run on the (as yet) unreliable net-2 code > ================================================================================ Trying to talk seriously, and not playing around with these lost newcomers, all you have to do is type a blind reset on your prompt. Reset resides in /usr/bin/reset. Dimitris ------------------------------ From: devmorfo@mtu.edu (Evmorfopoulos Dimitris) Subject: Re: Modem? SLIP? How? Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 18:44:15 GMT In article <19930808.115955.842901.NETNEWS@VM.BIU.AC.IL>, bermn@sunbeam.cs.biu.ac.il (Eugene L. Berman) writes: > > Hi Linux gurus! > > I'd like to purchase a modem for my PC. I've heard about SLIP wich > provides IP for serial line. I'm novice in such things, so I'd like to > get some info about it. Where can I get SLIP? Which files it contains? > Should I buy a modem with some special features for SLIP? Any info > will be greatly appreciated. > > Eugene. You don't need a special modem. Just a fast one with, preferably, V42bis, for some, kind of acceptable, compression. If you can get a 14400 baud modem, and a slip server with similar modem, (meaning V42bis, 14.4 kbaud) then you are all set. From personal experience, I can say that, the faster, the better. Dimitris ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin From: gomez@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu (JL Gomez) Subject: tar & mt Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 01:41:11 GMT I have a BusLogic 545S attached to a Tandberg 3600 SCSI tape drive. Doing a 'tar -c -b 128 . -f /dev/nrmt0' followed by a 'mt weof' makes the tape drive rewind. What I want to do is append a new directory path to the current tape position. How do I do this? -- gomez@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu ------------------------------ From: pn002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Peter C. Norton) Subject: Re: A Word Processor for Linux Date: Tue, 17 Aug 93 01:49:27 GMT In <1993Aug13.222046.29390@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes: >In article <24glm2$m40@nic.umass.edu> verdant@twain.ucs.umass.edu writes: >>Is there any reason to write the proposed Word Processor as a stand-alone >>program. I say this because, from what little I have seen of emacs, it seems >>to be a very flexible basic editor with a lot of potential for expansion. >We had this flamewar last time :-( Emacs is just too big and has too much >baggage. I even suggested starting with a cut-down emacs and was rejected. >I think it's safe to say that this is a no-go. And no one uses windoze? Or WFW 2.x? these aren't something akin to hoge memory hogs? Sheesh! You people are insane? ---Peter >++Brandon >-- >Brandon S. Allbery kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: maniac@unlv.edu (Eric J. Schwertfeger) Subject: VLB IDE controllers, which one's emulate WD1003? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 93 01:42:34 GMT Which VLB IDE controllers emulate the WD1003 controller (so linux can use it without a special driver)? I'm not interested in caching controllers, and there are dozens of under-$50 VLB controllers out there that I'd like opinions on. -- Eric J. Schwertfeger, maniac@cs.unlv.edu ------------------------------ From: devmorfo@mtu.edu (Evmorfopoulos Dimitris) Subject: Re: Why would I want LINUX? Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 17:47:11 GMT In article <55270001@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM>, rozum@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Stephen Rozum) writes: > > I have a simple question to all those who use LINUX. > > *** Why should I want to use LINUX? ** > > Before you start flaming me with "If you need to ask the question then > you don't need LINUX" please tell me the applications you are using it for. > > I know that LINUX is UNIX operating system for PC's, but unfortunately > it can't run my DOS base programs (i.e., Borland C++ compilier, Amipro, > games, Mktools, etc...). > > Yes, I have read the FAQ listings. > > Thanks for the help, > > Stephen Rozum > rozum@hpmtay.hp.lvld.com Linux for the moment, simply represents one of the most fertile areas, for development and experimentation. Since the OS itself is still under heavy develompent, it is not recomended to be used by "computer users" (No offence, please). If you have the hacker in you, then you will use Linux, and you will help develop the Windows and dos emulators so that you can run your favorite programs. Otherwise, you can simply stick with MSDos, and Windows. After all, I used to use programs like yours before I started using linux. (Borland C++, JPI Modula-2, Turbo Prolog, MsWord, etc...), but ever since I switched, I found my self being confortable using gcc and pals, LaTeX, and many other, of the hundreds of programs that are there to use. I know how you must feel. You feel settled with the programs that you use, and it seems imposible to change your environment. I felt the same way a year ago, but , believe me, it only took a single week to get adjusted to Linux's (Un*x under development that is) environment. Dimitris. ------------------------------ From: sprute@hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (Udo Sprute) Subject: Re: Problems compiling Xboard 2.1 pl11 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 02:08:51 GMT In article <...> aa934@Freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Francis) writes: > > In a previous article, g2jszeto@cdf.toronto.edu (Szeto June) says: > > > > Hello, all. I've been dutifully trying to compile xboard [...] > > and have been experiencing difficulties. [...] > > Any help would be appreciated, > > > > Frustrated, > > June Szeto > > g2jszeto@cdf.toronto.edu Don't worry, be happy: xboard-3.0 is going to be published during the next days. I've tested it under Linux and it compiled and ran without any problems. You only need to define -DFLEX, but this is mentioned in the INSTALL file, too. I hope that xboard will finally be included in the next SLS and Slackware distributions. Best regards, Udo (sprute@Post.Uni-Bielefeld.DE) ------------------------------ From: cocking@a-k.boston.ma.us (Cara Cocking) Subject: Where can I get linux and how big is it? Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 23:55:40 GMT Where can I ftp to get linux? How big is it? Thanks. Cara Cocking cocking@csugrad.cs.vt.edu ------------------------------ From: ins559n@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,alt.fan.bill-gates Subject: Re: From your friends at UNIXWorld Date: 15 Aug 1993 16:20:47 GMT Kevin S Ho (ksh@prl.ufl.edu) wrote: : : |> : |> >It literally has prolonged the : |> >life of my machine. I don't use X, as I don't have quite the memory for it, : |> >but if I got 8MB instead of 4, I'd be all set. : : ROTFL ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) : I have 8 megs, I'm choking back the tears. Try running X, emacs, a compile or 2 : and Xtank and watch it swap! My apologies if I have already mentioned this; at the moment I am running Linux, X386, XView, olvwm, an xterm, a clock and Seyon. I often run xv and gcc. My computer: a 16MHz 386sx with 4 megabytes of RAM; Linux has 50Mb of disk space plus 8Mb swap space. Sure it isn't as zippy as, say, a DECStation, but it is very usable. OS/2 2.0, by comparison, thrashed constantly, took 30 seconds to draw a window and periodically switched into text mode to display the "No swap space; do not ignore this message" error message. OS/2 lasted a total of one day before I nuked it. Linux, however, appears to be much more efficient and usable (perhaps it's because of the tried-and-tested UNIX formula) than OS/2, and probably than Windows/NT. Once the DOS emulator is improved a bit (I/O handling added, direct console I/O in text mode and direct [as opposed to xterm-based] display in X) and the Windows emulator is released (apparently they have it loading and relocating Windows binaries), Linux will be able to give IBM and Microsoft a run for their money. +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Bulhak | | | acb@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au | "I'm sorry Mr. Shergold, but you know the | | Monash Uni, Clayton, | rules -- no can tabs, no dialysis." | | Victoria, Australia | | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: emtexley@mtu.edu (Tex) Subject: Linux News Feeds Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 21:54:51 GMT Is there some special form of certification that one has to obtain to start a feed which is "Linux" related? I haven't seen a feed dedicated specifically to 68xxx Linux... Maybe splitting the two would be a better form of controlling traffic? Eric M. Texley Undergraduate, Michigan Technological University ------------------------------ From: byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) Subject: Re: Linux News Feeds Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 03:05:45 GMT In article <1993Aug14.215451.14854@mtu.edu>, Tex wrote: > Is there some special form of certification that one has to obtain to >start a feed which is "Linux" related? I haven't seen a feed dedicated >specifically to 68xxx Linux... Maybe splitting the two would be a >better form of controlling traffic? This discussion has come and gone in comp.os.linux.development. Linux is Linux is Linux no matter what platform it's running on. Therefore there shouldn't be any separate newsgroups. The reason you don't see anything is because the 68K port is not far enough along to have any kind of traffic but development traffic. So look in comp.os.linux.development for 68K stuff. Oh and in answer to you first question there must be a discussion period, a monthlong vote with a 2/3 majority and over 100 yes votes. Also after a failed split you must wait at least 6 months before the next call for discussion about another split. Since the linux hierarchy has just added 4 new groups last week (August 11th) you won't get a lot of support for any additional ones. Later, BAJ --- Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of... Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel! Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu ------------------------------ From: entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard) Subject: Re: When's Linux 1.0 coming out? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 03:20:29 GMT In article stsai@husc11.harvard.edu (Shun-Chang Tsai) writes: >just out of curiostiy, can anyone give me an estimate of the relase >date for Linux 1.0? After all, the version number is getting pretty >close to it. version 1.0 is to linux as the speed of light is to space :-) No matter how much energy is put into an object it never quite reachs c. -- ====== Time: 820713600 seconds, Space: 1727.2mm, Mass: 9.5E10 ug . \ / Kinsey: 4.5, Religion: Science, Energy: 8.55E18, OS: Linux . . \ / Species: Human, Planet: Earth, Fame: Tinymush, Allergy: Dustmite . . . \/ Purity: 40, Sex: male, frequent, Drugs: Caffeine, Rock & roll: . . . . ------------------------------ From: jon@robots.ox.ac.uk (Jon Tombs) Subject: Re: VESA local bus Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 03:17:30 GMT In article <1993Aug16.083131.406@dg8lav.toppoint.de> kalle@dg8lav.toppoint.de (Karlheinz Hagen) writes: > >Linux is running on my local bus 486-33 board without problems. I have >also no trouble with X. Only if you use a S3 graphic card, X will not >running in version 1.3 and below. >In Version 2.0 all S3 local bus should be ok. My local bus use a et4000 >local bus graphic card and all works ok. Xfree86 version 1.3 and below dosen't support S3. XS3 supports and runs quite happily on both localbus and isa chipsets. The only exception is the localbus S3 805 cards. Until recently linux didn't allow access to the framebuffer address on these cards. Therefore access to the video ram was done via an IO port (the Vendor "nolinear" keyword). This slows pixmap copies down somewhat but is still quite fast. Whether xfree86-2.0 will be able to reliable find and use the video ram still remains to be seen - but the "nolinear" option will always be available for localbus S3 805 based chipsets. Jon. ------------------------------ From: yseeley@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yonik Christopher Seeley) Subject: pl12 routing + net configuration Date: Tue, 17 Aug 93 03:16:19 GMT Does anyone have a clean version of rc.net that will work with 0.99.12? My setup worked with pl11, but broke with pl12 and I have not been able to fix it (evel by refering to past posts on this problem). If it matters, I am using the first release of SLS1.03. I am on a class A network that has been subnetted, so my subnet mask is 255.255.0.0 - Yonik Seeley yseeley@cs.stanford.edu ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Activists-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux) via: Internet: Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de pub/msdos/replace The current version of Linux is 0.99pl9 released on April 23, 1993 End of Linux-Activists Digest ******************************