From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Sun, 15 Aug 93 03:13:07 EDT Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #117 Linux-Activists Digest #117, Volume #6 Sun, 15 Aug 93 03:13:07 EDT Contents: Re: Curses:where are nodelay() and keypad()? (Michael E. Bravo) Re: Why would I want LINUX? (Nelson Kwai) Re: More on the DMA timing problem (dan@oea.hobby.nl) Re: $$MOTIF$$ (dan@oea.hobby.nl) Re: More on the DMA timing problem (Jivko Koltchev) DOSEMU compile? (John Will) Re: Xfree bug in Linux, or hardware problem??? (Paul J. Brewer) Re: More on the DMA timing problem (Byron A Jeff) SLS1.03, NET-2 broke? (Sait Umar,) Re: How to use zmodem from kermit (Neklan Brozensky) Re: [Q] Are WD IDE drives OK? (burd@vax.sonoma.edu) Filemarks on Cartridge Tapes (Archive 2525S) (Dan Everhart) Not finding "_sigsetjmp" symbol in libc (Daniel L. Marks) Re: SMTP problems (Vince Skahan) Re: Xfree bug in Linux, or hardware problem??? ("Alex R.N. Wetmore") ****HELP: Help install X11 on SLS 1.03 (benkai) Kernel hacker guide (Daniel T. Schwager) Re: PCNFS type app for Linux? (Kyle J. McDonald) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mbravo@tctube.spb.su (Michael E. Bravo) Subject: Re: Curses:where are nodelay() and keypad()? Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 22:41:50 GMT erc@apple.com (Ed Carp) writes: >are SYSV'isms). On the other hand, ncurses supports both routines. >Available at the linux FTP server nearest you. :) Well, just had a problem related to this thread... I have ncurses which came with SLS 1.01 With it, I made a small program which does only initscr(), refresh() and then closes curses and exits. On console or VCs, it runs just fine. On a terminal connected to serial port (VT100 clone) it coredumps. Some tinkering with gdb showed that it crashes in refresh, trying to execute mvcur(0,0,0,0). Any ideas? -- Michael E. Bravo AKA /\/\ike 7 812 231 3951 (home) The Communication Tube mbravo@tctube.spb.su ------------------------------ From: nelson@actrix.gen.nz (Nelson Kwai) Subject: Re: Why would I want LINUX? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 00:49:32 GMT In article <1993Aug14.140824.22421@cc.gatech.edu>, Byron A Jeff wrote: ..... > In the end it really doesn't matter. What matters is to have good reliable > code that does the job and good technical support so that clients can get > things done. That's what people will pay for. Does this rule out developing leading technology stuff as the competition may buy the product and demand the source ? nelson ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.mach,comp.os.minix,comp.periphs,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.os.386bsd.development From: dan@oea.hobby.nl Subject: Re: More on the DMA timing problem Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 23:04:45 GMT Jesus Monroy Jr (jmonroy@netcom.com) wrote: : : The relevant importance of you -and any of the so-called : group you contend to be working in- is most assuredly : the best evidence of pathetic reasoning that abound. : : If you think that I have, in the past, made any statements : that do _or_ are not well founded you and your cohorts : are welcome to do me up. Else tonight is the night : in which the most metors will be visible in more than a decade : my suggestion to you is to go outside and see which : land closest to you. My preference for a landing spot, : centered concentricly, is about 20 ft. from you. : : Have a nice day. : Write again. : ___________________________________________________________________________ : Jesus Monroy Jr jmonroy@netcom.com : /386BSD/device-drivers /fd /qic /clock /documentation : ___________________________________________________________________________ Forgotten to take our medicine again, have we? -- |< Dan Naas dan@oea.hobby.nl >| +---------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: dan@oea.hobby.nl Subject: Re: $$MOTIF$$ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 13:43:05 GMT Jared Dahl (jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com) wrote: : I just wanted to inform all parties here on comp.os.linux : that a company is selling Motif for Linux. : The company is called Linux Systems Labs, offers what : seems to be SLS (they don't mention SLS) for $59.95 : on disks or CD ROM, and is offering Motif for $175. : The ad ran on page 98 of Unix Review Magazine. : The number was: 1-800-432-0556 Do they have an e-mail address? If you contact them please ask for an e-mail address and post here for the benefit of overseas users. A non-800 number is next best. PS. May somebody should remind them to announce on c.o.l.a. -- |< Dan Naas dan@oea.hobby.nl >| +---------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.programmer,comp.os.mach,comp.os.minix,comp.periphs,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.os.386bsd.development From: jivko@netcom.com (Jivko Koltchev) Subject: Re: More on the DMA timing problem Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 02:20:42 GMT In article jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes: >mail adrie@ica.philips.nl >Re: Subject: Re: More on the DMA timing problem > >>>Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer,comp.os.linux,comp.os.mach,comp.os.minix,comp.periphs,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.os.386bsd.development >>> Organization: Philips Consumer Electronics, Eindhoven, The Netherlands >>> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 11:19:31 GMT >>> >>> In article jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes: >>> >>> The scenario is possible under some conditions and eminently plausible, but >>> >>> the timings involved on PC hardware at low transfer rates mean that it >>> >>> will not happen on these machines unless: >>> >>> 1) some DMA device is seizing the bus for extended burst mode transfers >>> >>> or >>> >>> >>> > The RAM refresh is a burst mode operation. >>> >>> This makes me dig deep into my memory. As far as I can remember, memory >>> refresh on a 808[68] PC was done one cycle at a time, controlled by one >>> timer (which of course was set to some 16us). The DMA channel may have >>> been programmed to operate in burst mode, but each burst would be only >>> one cycle and so wouldn't take the CPU bus too long. >>> > To be completely correct, I should say there is no "burst" mode > for the DMA, but it does take over the BUS (hence CPU can't do > anything). The period for this (refresh )is no longer that the > time needed to read 64k of memory by the DMA. Although a scheme > could be devise where only the address lines get strobe, and > this might be enough. I don't know enough about RAM and the That is correct. You do not need to read any single bite to refresh the entire D-RAM. All you need to do is to sellct a row of bits by strobing only part of the address lines. It might be helpful to open a data-book of any D-RAM mfgr and read the description of the first D-RAM chip you see there. > refresh to tell you anything more than I've read. Hence, why > I am posting these messages to see if someone else has more > information. > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Jesus Monroy Jr jmonroy@netcom.com >/386BSD/device-drivers /fd /qic /clock /documentation >___________________________________________________________________________ > -- Regards. Jivko ============================================================================= E-mail: jivko@netcom.com | Tel:(408)980-3625 | Fax:(408)377-0714 ============================================================================= ------------------------------ From: john.will@satalink.com (John Will) Subject: DOSEMU compile? Date: 15 Aug 93 01:48:00 GMT I'm attempting to compile DOSEMU 0.49 that came with the slackware 1.00 release, I've encountered a couple of problems, one is probably nothing, but since I'm asking... ... gcc -m486 -DAJT=1 -c bios_emm.c -o bios_emm.o bios_emm.c: In function `map_page': bios_emm.c:407: warning: initialization of `s_tmp' makes integer from ... gcc -m486 -DAJT=1 -c lpt.c -o lpt.o ... pointer without a cast .... later on, big trouble strikes .... ld -s -T 0x20000000 -o libemu emu.o termio.o disks.o keymaps.o timers.o cmos.o mouse.o parse.o dosipc.o cpu.o video.o xms.o mfs.o bios_emm.o lpt.o serial.o mutex.o -lc -ltermcap -lipc ld: No such file or directory for libipc make: *** [libemu] Error 1 ... I'm assuming the first warning is probably not a big deal, but I haven't been able to track down just exactly what is missing for the second one, or where it might be. I'm sure someone has already compiled this, and knows just what went wrong. :-) ------------------------------ From: pjb@cco.caltech.edu (Paul J. Brewer) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.windows.x.i386unix Subject: Re: Xfree bug in Linux, or hardware problem??? Date: 15 Aug 1993 02:15:42 GMT I have the same difficulty. Our configurations are similar. In an xterm, scrolling or horizontal dragging caused the horizontal chips to pop up. I was using a clone Tseng labs et4000 card. I do NOT have this problem with an ancient Paradise 512k vga card, but I can only run mono mode with it , as it does not support 256 colors. A STB Powergraph X-24 is on order, which uses the s3 chipset. I am hoping it will be ok. Software: XFree 1.3, Linux kernel 0.99.pl12alpha Hardware: Soundblaster IRQ 7. Com ports. 14,400 v.42 bis modem with AT&T chipset (COM3). IDE controller - 130 MB Seagate (DOS), 340MB Maxtor (DOS+Linux) Microsoft bus mouse (IRQ 5). CPU: AMD 386/40, 8 megs assorted SIMMs, Under DOS, I should also note that the tseng et4000 acted very odd, messing up graphics on various video games unless I changed TURBO or the cacheing parameters. This was an ISA card. So you are not the only one with this problem --- I posted a week ago and didnt really get any answer, though someone did recommend the s3 chip cards. Paul Brewer pjb@cco.caltech.edu ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.programmer,comp.os.mach,comp.os.minix,comp.periphs,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.os.386bsd.development From: byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) Subject: Re: More on the DMA timing problem Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 03:02:58 GMT [ Shit deleted ] *** FLAMETHROWER ON *** PLEASE TAKE THIS USELESS DISCUSSION OUT OF COMP.OS.LINUX! THERE IS A NEWSGROUP IN THE COMP.OS.LINUX HIERARCHY FOR THIS TYPE OF CRAP! IT'S CALLED COMP.OS.LINUX.DEVELOPMENT! YOU PEOPLE ARE BUGGING THE HELL OUT OF US! AND YES I HAVE HAD MY MEDICINE TODAY. I POSTED ONCE BEFORE FOR THE DISCUSSION TO BE MOVED! I SEND EMAIL TO MR. MONROY FOR THE DISCUSSION TO BE MOVED. I'VE BEEN POLITE. NOW GET THIS SHIT OUT OF HERE! CHANGE TO FOLLOWUP LINE TO SOMETHING RESONABLE INSTEAD OF POSTING TO 50 MILLION DAMN NEWSGROUPS! TRY COMP.SYS.IBM.HARDWARE AND THE DEVELOPMENT GROUPS FOR THE OS IN QUESTION! THANK YOU! BAJ *** FLAMETHROWER OFF *** --- Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of... Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel! Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu ------------------------------ From: umar@compsci.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Sait Umar, ) Subject: SLS1.03, NET-2 broke? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 03:05:53 GMT I have read many people having problems with net-2 sls1.03. I also believe that route.c is broke. I followed all the istructions and the computer was working just fine under SLS 1.02. There may also be a problem with 3c503 card setup although at boot everything looks good. It was working fine under SLS 1.02 with NET-1 code. With SLS 1.03 NET-2 code my network functions are all hung and occasinally I get the message from eth0: that there is an IRQ5 conflict and it is resetting it! I could not get any solution to this. No matter whaÿt I tried with setup I cannot telnet outside.... Thank you. -- ========================================================================= umar@compsci.cas.vanderbilt.edu Prof.A.S. Umar umarsa00@vuctrvax.bitnet Department of Physics & Astronomy Tel: (615) 322-2459 Vanderbilt University Fax: (615) 343-7263 Nashville, TN 37235 ========================================================================= ------------------------------ From: Neklan_Brozensky@mindlink.bc.ca (Neklan Brozensky) Subject: Re: How to use zmodem from kermit Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 04:13:46 GMT Group: Usenet.comp.os.linux Subject: Re: How to use zmodem from Kermit ReplyTo: 8066808 Ramiro Estrugo writes: > Msg-ID: > Posted: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 08:55:4 > > Org. : NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) > > > subject says all. any advice appreciated. thanks. > > > ramiro > restrugo@netcom.com For the ultimate in convenience, you may like to put the following in the .kermrc file that is in the directory when you start Kermit: define rz run rz /dev/ttyS0 define sz run sz \%1 /dev/ttyS0 where the /dev/ttyS0 is the serial line connected to the modem. When it comes time to do the transfer, merely escape back to kermit's command mode and enter sz or whatever. This solution still does not do "nice things" like autostart. Nor have I been able to do a "resume" on an interrupted transfer. Neklan ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: [Q] Are WD IDE drives OK? From: burd@vax.sonoma.edu Date: 14 Aug 93 21:02:42 -0800 In article , sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon) writes: > In tree@whatever.cs.jhu.edu (Denise Tree) writes: > > >>Hi Activists... > >>I am thinking of getting a new drive and I've noticed lots of cheap >>western digital IDE drives around.... the 340 meg one is going for >>~310 from most people. Is anyone using one of these ok? > > I have used these with Linux and SCO Unix. I have had no problems to date, > and this is after about 9 months of heavy usage. > -- > sheldon@iastate.edu Steve Sheldon No problems here. I have a WD200A 203MB drive running Slackware, and everything is going just great. Erik ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.periphs.scsi,comp.unix.xenix.sco From: dan@dyndata.uucp (Dan Everhart) Subject: Filemarks on Cartridge Tapes (Archive 2525S) Reply-To: dan@dyndata.com Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 03:30:05 GMT I remember being able to successfully append to 9-track tapes. Are cartridge tapes fundamentally different, or is there something broken or misconfigured in my drive? Am I overlooking something? I try the following: (foo and bar are files in the current directory) $ tar cvf /dev/rmt0 foo foo (works fine) $ tar uvf /dev/rmt0 bar tar: can't write to /dev/rmt0 : I/O error st0: Error on write filemark: $ The same thing happens if I use the 'r' flag for tar instead of 'u'. This is using a brand new Archive Viper 2525S drive, an Adaptec 1542B, and a fresh installation of Linux from SLS 1.03. (Although I've seen similar things happening under Xenix, and under DOS using gnu tar.) I've also noticed the following: If I do a tar backup and then a restore, all the files are restored fine but the tape transport jiggles the tape a few times at the end, as if it were trying to read another block but encountering an error. I would have expected it to find an end-of-file mark and simply quit. So is it possible to append to a tar archive on a cartridge? If you have an Archive 2525 and can do this under Xenix, DOS, or Linux, I would like to hear from you to compare notes. -- _ dan@dyndata.com / \_ Dan Everhart uunet!{camco,fluke}!dyndata!dan \_/ \____________________________ 206-743-6982, 742-8604 (fax) / \_/ 7107 179th St SW \_/ Dynamic Data & Electronics Edmonds, WA 98026, USA "Rhe rone rike, rhe rone rike... rhorane" -- Astro thinks he's Clapton. ------------------------------ From: dlm40629@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel L. Marks) Subject: Not finding "_sigsetjmp" symbol in libc Date: 15 Aug 1993 04:52:20 GMT I'm having problems compiling two applications that use the "_sigsetjmp" symbol, "acm" and "xbattle-4.0". They both use the "_sigsetjmp" symbol, which doesn't seem to be present in libc. In the "setjmp.h" it appears to be both defined as a macro and declared as a function. I assume the macro is the one that should be used since its not found in "libc" but I find this: #ifdef __linux__ extern int sigsetjmp #else #ifdef __GNUC__ #define sigsetjmp (one definition) #else #define sigsetjmp (some other not strictly POSIX compliant definition) #endif #endif /* linux */ Why is it declared a function if the __linux__ symbol is there, when there is not a function "_sigsetjmp" in the library? Dan Marks dlm40629@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ------------------------------ From: vince@victrola.wa.com (Vince Skahan) Subject: Re: SMTP problems Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 12:52:09 GMT bam@wcl-l.bham.ac.uk (Brian McCauley) writes: > this is problably not the appropriate newsgroup to post this in at all, but I > couldn't decide on a better newsgroup. >comp.mail.sendmail? - no probably not they probably see smail as a bit >of an upstart. Unless you really are using true sendmail in which case >you really should go there. wrong...you see smail questions there too. you also could use comp.mail.uucp you also could use the smail mailing list. -- ---------- Vince Skahan --------- vince@victrola.wa.com ------------- Hypocrisoda - the diet soft drink you order so you can have extra cheese on that jumbo pizza without gaining weight ------------------------------ From: "Alex R.N. Wetmore" Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.windows.x.i386unix Subject: Re: Xfree bug in Linux, or hardware problem??? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 01:01:43 -0400 Excerpts from netnews.comp.windows.x.i386unix: 15-Aug-93 Re: Xfree bug in Linux, or .. by Paul J. Brewer@cco.calte > I have the same difficulty. Our configurations are similar. > > In an xterm, scrolling or horizontal dragging caused the horizontal > chips to pop up. I was using a clone Tseng labs et4000 card. > > I do NOT have this problem with an ancient Paradise 512k vga card, but > I can only run mono mode with it , as it does not support 256 colors. > A STB Powergraph X-24 is on order, which uses the s3 chipset. I am hoping it > will be ok. I have similar problems with a tvga8900c (i am assuming that by chips you mean that the windows echo when scrolling or dragging). It only occurs in mono mode when I am using a large virtual screen. On the other hand I seem to have a flakey board. I got it because it didn't work under windows in 1024x768 at 60hz without dropping pixels and changing colors randomly. I have similar problems with XFree86 1.3, so I think it is the hardware (i have also noticed that the problems go away if the board is kept cool). I am going to buy a new board when I can afford one (so I'll probably wait till Xfree2.0 comes out, which should support S3's). What can people reccomend in the way of low cost S3 cards (I'm not looking for killer acceleration, just something that does xterm scrolling pretty nicely in 1024x768x256 and can put out a 72hz vertical sync (or higher)). alex ------------------------------ From: benkai@netcom.com (benkai) Subject: ****HELP: Help install X11 on SLS 1.03 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 05:38:09 GMT Ok, I have got the Linux base system going. It's running GREAT on my 486-66 box. I have a problem though, It seems I am unable to install the "Xwindows" portion. I got the files from: host : tsx-11.mit.edu dir : /pub/linux/packages/SLS files : directories x1,x2,...,x10 I got all the files in tar form. I used minicom to get the files off of netcom, and into my linux box. I put all of them in a directory "/XX11" Here are the things I've tried: - used "sysinstall -instsrc /XX11 -X11 - used "sysinstall -instsrc /XX11 -extracttar x1.tar (nothing happened) - used "sysinstall -disk -instsrc /XX11 -X11" - used "sysinstall -X11" - used "menu" to install (FAT chance!) I failed on all accounts. Either it tried to get the files from my floppy drive "put disk x1 in drive, and hit return," or it tried to read the harddrive, and told me that the "diskx1" was missing, and could not be found. What am I doing wrong? I looked in the FAQs, and found nothing relevant. I even tried the "-series x" switch to no avail. After that I moved ALL files from their respective x1,x2,...,x10 directories to /XX11 directories. still no luck. Can anyone help? I've sucessfully installed the "a" series, the "b" series, the "c" series, "d" series, and the "s" series. The difference there was that those series were on floppies, and where installed to my HD, where these already reside on my linux system,but are not installed yet. What am I doing wrong? -- -- It's really quite a simple choice: Life, Death, or Los Angeles. ------------------------------ From: danny@dragon.stgt.sub.org (Daniel T. Schwager) Subject: Kernel hacker guide Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 00:24:14 GMT Hi all, only a easy question: where can I find the kernel hacker guide ( or docu like this, which describes the flow in the kernel, specifically the flow in the net-2 code (BSD docu ?) ) Tschau Danny -- ,,, (^ ^) ==================oOO==(_)==OOo======================= Danny ------------------------------ From: kjm@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Kyle J. McDonald) Subject: Re: PCNFS type app for Linux? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 07:44:18 GMT In article <1993Aug9.103717.1@ualr.edu> nmspillers@ualr.edu writes: Path: lynx!noc.near.net!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!engr.uark.edu!news.ualr.edu!athena.ualr.edu!nmspillers Newsgroups: comp.os.linux Subject: PCNFS type app for Linux? Message-ID: <1993Aug9.103717.1@ualr.edu> From: nmspillers@ualr.edu Date: 9 Aug 93 10:37:17 CST Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock Nntp-Posting-Host: athena.ualr.edu Lines: 20 Hello, Question: Has anyone heard of (or written for that matter) a pcnfs type package for the public domain/shareware/GNU arena? In other words, a package that would allow a PC running DOS to mount a linux file system and use it... I'm asking this question in c.o.l. mainly 'cause the only file system type I'm interested in mounting would be a linux one (ext2fs)... It seems to be a fairly non-trivial project to undertake and I was wondering if someone has already 'been there, done that'. Thank you, nate Applications Programmer UALR nmspillers@ualr.edu Hi, the Un*x side of nfs -- nfsd, is readily availiable. also the deamon PCNFS uses for user authentication and some other stuff, is rumored to be availiable in PD ( don't quote me on that.), The tough part is finding a NFS client for the PC that is cheap( or free). If you do shell out for sun's PCNFS, then whith the PC client side programs, you'll also recieve the source for the deamon(pcnfsd), and instructions to build, so even if I was wrong before, you get it anyway. I don't know if this helps. We use PCNFS here at school, and like it alot. It beats alot of other networks as far as I'm concerned. Mainly by only giving us what we need and nothing more: tcp/ip. telnet. nfs. printing. and user authentication through a unix server. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Activists-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux) via: Internet: Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de pub/msdos/replace The current version of Linux is 0.99pl9 released on April 23, 1993 End of Linux-Activists Digest ******************************