From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Sat, 14 Aug 93 09:13:04 EDT Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #113 Linux-Activists Digest #113, Volume #6 Sat, 14 Aug 93 09:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: A Proposed Approach to a Linux WYSIWYG Word Processor (dan@oea.hobby.nl) Re: Why would I want LINUX? (Louay Gammo) Re: A Proposed Approach to a Linux WYSIWYG Word Processor (Yonik Christopher Seeley) CD-ROM driver bug (Michael Hemy) Where does Gzip.taz go? (BGC1@DELPHI.COM) Re: oops, I broke the link for /lib/libc.so.4 (Paul Brandariz x6546) Linux box as SLIP server??? (Chetan D Patil) NFS mounting mail directories (Marc G. Fournier) scsi device not found (Volkmar Eich) SLS 1.03 - ATI support? (Volkmar Eich) Xconfig for an HP 486 Vectra, anyone? (Stuart J. Barr) Re: oops, I broke the link for /lib/libc.so.4 (OUTTA HERE!) Need XWindows on my Cirrus Logic 5426 (Rikk F Streng) Differences between SLS .99pl9-1 and SLS .99pl11 (Richard Wooden) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dan@oea.hobby.nl Subject: Re: A Proposed Approach to a Linux WYSIWYG Word Processor Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 11:12:03 GMT Michael S. Summers (summers@riemann.calspan.com) wrote: : I would like to address this article only to those who are : interested in producing a WYSIWYG word processor for Linux. : I will assume that such a project is at least an interesting : thing to contemplate. [sensible ideas deleted] Let may say first that your post has merit and is a positive contribution to the WP debate, unlike most of the drivel on other threads. That being said, isn't there a channel for discussing this and if so, isn't it a better forum to discuss those ideas? PS. If there is no channel, then, IMHO, the level of traffic related to this topic justifies the creation of one. -- |< Dan Naas dan@oea.hobby.nl >| +---------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: louay@turing.toronto.edu (Louay Gammo) Subject: Re: Why would I want LINUX? Date: 14 Aug 93 06:27:41 GMT In article sam@ms.uky.edu (Mike Mills) writes: > >In article <55270001@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> rozum@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Stephen Rozum) writes: >> >> *** Why should I want to use LINUX? ** > >One other reason that one would want to use Linux: Lets say you are a contract >programmer, and your client needs a program to do a particular thing. In many >cases, it doesn't matter what operating system it runs on, just as long as it >works well. Assuming you are an experienced Unix programmer, and prefer to >work under that environment, then you could develop the program to run under >Linux, and have the advantage of having full source to the operating system so >you can tweak it to your needs. It also gives you the ability to charge for >support and upgrade services. Somehow the idea of using Linux or any GNU stuff in any commercial software is inherently dangerous. What if you inadvertently used code from the GNU source code, or worse unwittingly used one of GNU's source libraries (refer to bison skeleton files for an example!). This would mean the ownership of the entire software you delivered to your customer is not obvious without actual inspection of the code. Somehow, I feel the FSF will be defending their copyight on this, othewise they lose their copyright. Sounds like trouble to me. Besides, when customers hear about this, they will certainly say: thanks, but no thanks, we will pay the $$$ bucks, but at least we know we own the software. But maybe I am wrong...:-) It would certainly be nice to be able to write shareware software for linux. At least shareware is reasonably priced unlike commercial stuff, and I think that is in GNU's spirit. If these issues are resolved, then linux would have a chance in the commercial arena. > >-- >--Mike Mills E-Mail: sam@ms.uky.edu, {rutgers, uunet}!ukma!sam >--UK Math Sciences Dept. mike@ukpr.uky.edu >--(606) 257-1429 (work) 263-0721 (home) -- louay@rosebud.turing.toronto.edu | meow -- ------------------------------ From: yseeley@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yonik Christopher Seeley) Subject: Re: A Proposed Approach to a Linux WYSIWYG Word Processor Date: Sat, 14 Aug 93 06:20:59 GMT In article dan@oea.hobby.nl writes: >Michael S. Summers (summers@riemann.calspan.com) wrote: > >: I would like to address this article only to those who are >: interested in producing a WYSIWYG word processor for Linux. >: I will assume that such a project is at least an interesting >: thing to contemplate. >[sensible ideas deleted] > > Let may say first that your post has merit and is a positive >contribution to the WP debate, unlike most of the drivel on other threads. >That being said, isn't there a channel for discussing this and if so, isn't >it a better forum to discuss those ideas? I think there is a WORD channel for this. One thing I have been worried about many of the posts is the priorities that many people seem to base their design on. It seems some people pick their favorite underlying format/language and then try to figure out how to get the WP to use/manipulate that. I think that the main priority should be on one thing, usability. By usability I mean the design of the UI + the speed of the system as a whole. I hate sluggish systems! I want a WP that is near WYSIWYG, and is very usable. I don't care if it uses OO design extensively, or if it's native format is TeX, ps, *roff, or anything else. A totally separate conversion program would suit me just fine. The OO approach may help with embedding other things in the document, however. But again, if it means being too much slower, I don't care how elegant the code works. Now here is where I cop out and say that I don't have any time to devote to this ;-) Oh well, I will be graduating in a few weeks so after that, who knows? - Yonik Seeley yseeley@cs.stanford.edu > >PS. If there is no channel, then, IMHO, the level of traffic related to >this topic justifies the creation of one. > >-- >|< Dan Naas dan@oea.hobby.nl >| >+---------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development From: mhemy@N2.SP.CS.CMU.EDU (Michael Hemy) Subject: CD-ROM driver bug Reply-To: mhemy@CS.CMU.EDU Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 07:10:58 GMT Well, I knew I'd be in a dilema whith so many newsgroups: where do you post bugs ?? Description: ============ Impossible to read files which are nested in the 5th level directory (or more). Example: ======== % mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /mnt % ls -l /mnt/usr/X386/lib/X11/xinit total 3 -rwxrwxrwx 1 root other 92 May 12 20:45 YMTRANS.TBL -rwxr-xr-x 1 root other 696 Feb 12 1993 xinitrc -rwxr-xr-x 1 root other 21 Feb 12 1993 xserverrc % cat /mnt/usr/X386/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc cat: /mnt/usr/X386/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc: I/O error % Additional Details: =================== - ls works fine. - cp returns the same error - more does not do anything (returns the prompt). - files less deeply nested work fine. Hardware & Software: ==================== - TOSHIBA 3401B Internal CD-ROM - adaptec AHA1542-C SCSI controller - SLS 1.02 linux 0.99-pl9 - CD used is SLS distribution. Disclaimer: =========== It's not in the FAQ (version 1.18), I read it all ;-) Thanks: ======= In advance to all those that will reply! --Michael ------------------------------ From: bgc1@news.delphi.com (BGC1@DELPHI.COM) Subject: Where does Gzip.taz go? Date: 14 Aug 1993 02:55:43 -0400 I'm in the middle of FTP'ing Linux from ftp.cdrom.com, and in the dir for Linux, there is a Gzip.taz file, which is a compressed tar file which has a /usr/bin/gzip path in it. I know this is gzip, but which disk do I put this in? The files that are in the a? dirs are .tgz files, so I guess the install program needs gzip to decompress all the files. ------------------------------ From: brandari@kla.com (Paul Brandariz x6546) Subject: Re: oops, I broke the link for /lib/libc.so.4 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 00:05:45 GMT Ole Tange (tange@daimi.aau.dk) wrote: : Thus spake robert@Everest.Tandem.COM (Robert Gadbois): : >I think I've got real problems. I was installing image-4.4.tar.z when : >I inadvertently changed the link for /lib/libc... to nowwhere. Now my machine : >is very unhappy. Every command I try complains about not finding this library. : >Is there anything I can do about this? Or is it back to reinstalling the : >SLS time. Actually, moveing to a more current SLS might be a bigger win : >for me to get SLIP going anyway. : >Justonemorepersonouttherelearningthehardway : >rlg : He he, join the club of people that have removed their link! : But what is the correct way to install that libc? : -- : -- : Never (NEVER) run elm and rmail simultanously tange@daimi.aau.dk Boot from the A1 disk and mount /dev/hd?? ( The partition without the link) onto /mnt. move to the directory and create the link : # cd /mnt/lib # ln -s libc.so.4.3.3 libc.so.4 sync the disks and reboot.... -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Paul R. Brandariz E-mail Internet: brandari@lore.kla.com KLA Instruments Corp P.O. Box 49055 Voice: (408) 456-6546 San Jose, CA 95161-9055 Fax: (408) 434-4273 ___________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux From: cpatil@cse.uta.edu (Chetan D Patil) Subject: Linux box as SLIP server??? Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 06:57:46 GMT Hi! I have installed Linux (0.99.11 from tsx) on my lab PC. Its a 486, with a 2400 baud Fax Modem and an ethernet card. I want to use this PC as a SLIP server to connect to other machines on the net from my home computer.(since I do not have access to a SLIP server :-() I looked around in the FAQs and found nothing to configure the Linux box as a SLIP server(except a mention that it could be done). The SLIP code with the distribution doesnot compile either. Please point me in the right direction. Thanks in advance, Chetan. -- ******************************************************************************* CHETAN D. PATIL | cpatil@cse.uta.edu UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT ARLINGTON,ARLINGTON. | cpatil@csr.uta.edu ------------------------------ From: scrappy@io.org (Marc G. Fournier) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.elm,comp.unix.questions Subject: NFS mounting mail directories Date: 14 Aug 1993 04:31:56 -0000 Hi... First off, excuse the major cross-post, but it all seemed to relate... I'm running two Linux machines on the Internet right now, on a 'sub-net' (right term?) consisting of three machines (the two Linux, and a Unixware, which acts as our gateway machine). Users on the system have access to either a menu interface on the Unixware machine, or the Unix-shell on one of the Linux machines. What we would like to do, but so far have been unable to, is nfs mount the mail directory from Unixware to Linux. The Linux machine is running pl12, the newest GCC and libraries, smail 3.1.28, and elm 2.4 pl22. The Unixware server is also running smail3.1.28. Nfs-mounting the directories are easy...keeping the mail from being screwed up is hard. basically, we need to do the following: 1 - if a user is reading email on the shell system, his mailbox has to be locked in such a way that new incomig doesn't get 'lost'. What I've noticed so far is that if the user is in the process of reading mail and a new one comes in, it gets added properly...if a user is in the process of exiting elm (our only mailreader for now), and a new mail comes in, the new mail will get lost (this is between hitting 'q' and either hitting 'y' to delete or getting to the prompt... basically, while it is rewriting to 'opened' mailbox to the spool directory) 2 - a user in the shell sends an email to a 'local' user, and it writes it to the 'local' mail spool directory...what happens if *both* smtpd's try to write to the same box at the same time? is there/should there be a lock from one smtpd? I think those are the two major issue confronting me. Now, from my limited understanding of this, I think that there is supposed to be a C-function that will do the file locking over the NFS mount? Is this correct, and if so, is it available (working) under the newest Linux kernel? Even more specific, is it a kernel function? The only thing that comes to mind is 'flock()'...heard it mentioned at one time in relation to this...'configure' for elm finds flock, but says it won't use it *shrug* If anyone has any ideas, either of how to do this, or where to find more information on how to do this, it would be much appreciated... Thanks... marc -- Marc G. Fournier Public Access Internet Voice: 363-8676 Internex Online Inc FTP Telnet Data: 363-3783 Toronto, Ontario, Canada IRC MUDs Telnet: io.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 93 19:20:00 +0200 From: Volkmar_Eich@zaphod.fido.de (Volkmar Eich) Subject: scsi device not found > From: BOERNER@rklnw1.ngate.uni-regensburg.de (Wolfgang Boerner) > > Dear Linuxers! > > The following problems have been encountered during installation > of 'Linux softland 0.99.pl8-3 04/10/93 i386': > > Machine configuration: > - Noname Intel 486/33, 16 MB RAM > - 1.44 Floppy A:, 1.2 Floppy B: > - ET4000 SVGA + Monochrome-Adaptor > - Future Domain TMC 885 SCSI-Adaptor, > addess range CA00:0000-CA00-1FFF, > IRQ 11, primary address, no ST-506 controller > - HD HITACHI DK 516-C 16, 1.3 GB > Partition 1: 300 MB, primary DOS, boot > Partition 2: 250 MB, extended DOS, 1 logical drive > Partition 3: 250 MB, LINUX > I tried two days to install SLS 1.03 on a PC with a Future Domain TC 885 and NE 2000 compatible card and a AT-Disk. The problems are: - the FD-Card has an Floppy Support using IRQ 6 ( or if working together with an IDE-Card IRQ 5 (Jumper F1)) - The SCSI-part of the FD-Card can use IRQ 2-5 and 10-15. If you use IRQ 5 it possibly might work. - My SLS Bootdisk A1.5 was preset with an IRQ of 5. No other IRQ worked. If you want to change this, you have to change the IRQ definition in the Kernel lookout for seagate.c - Do not use the IRQ 5 for any other card. You might get problems. I had to work at net/inet-installation in the kernel, becaues the IRQ-Autodetect for an HP-Card found the Future Domain Floppy IRQ at IRQ 5 an thought it must be an Ethernet Card. But it was a wrong guess. The system went away. I had to reboot. A simple solution for your problem might it to change the IRQ of the Future Domain Card to IRQ 5 (so it worked with SLS 1.02 a1.5 dated 3rd of August) Volkmar--- Volkmar Eich Internet : Volkmar_Eich@zaphod.rhein.de Fido : 2:2402/330.43 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 93 19:22:00 +0200 From: Volkmar_Eich@zaphod.fido.de (Volkmar Eich) Subject: SLS 1.03 - ATI support? > From: umar@compsci.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Sait Umar, ) > > I remember reading from someone that SLS 1.03 did not have the support > for the ATI. Is this true? or has it been fixed in last nights upgrade > of SLS 1.03 at tsx-11.mit.edu? > Thanks, > I booted my system with SLS 1.03 and a1.5. The only problem at boot-time I had regarding the ATI card, is that the Text-Color changed to yellow. Volkmar --- Volkmar Eich Internet : Volkmar_Eich@zaphod.rhein.de Fido : 2:2402/330.43 ------------------------------ From: nbarrs@libra.hasler.ascom.ch (Stuart J. Barr) Subject: Xconfig for an HP 486 Vectra, anyone? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 11:18:25 GMT A friend of mine is trying to get the latest X included with SLS 1.03 up and running on an HP 486 Vectra series machine, but is stumbling on the documentation side for the video information. Could some kind sole out there that has X running on such a machine be so kind as to email me a copy of the Xconfig being used, so that I can give this guy some help. Many thanks in advance, Stuart. ------------------------------ From: aehall@calvin.seattleu.edu (OUTTA HERE!) Subject: Re: oops, I broke the link for /lib/libc.so.4 Date: 13 Aug 1993 03:06:18 GMT In article <24eqrm$jkv@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> tange@daimi.aau.dk (Ole Tange) writes: >Thus spake robert@Everest.Tandem.COM (Robert Gadbois): > >>I think I've got real problems. I was installing image-4.4.tar.z when >>I inadvertently changed the link for /lib/libc... to nowwhere. Now my machine >>is very unhappy. Every command I try complains about not finding this library. >>Is there anything I can do about this? Or is it back to reinstalling the >>SLS time. Actually, moveing to a more current SLS might be a bigger win >>for me to get SLIP going anyway. > >>Justonemorepersonouttherelearningthehardway >>rlg > >He he, join the club of people that have removed their link! > >But what is the correct way to install that libc? ln -fs libc.so.4.4.1 libc.so.4 This will force (-f = if file exists, overwrite it, so be very careful to not get the syntax backwards!) the linkfile libc.so.4 to be created pointing at libc.so.4.4.1. (BTW is this a FAQ? Is this in the release notes for the libs?) Another BTW: what's libm used for? I never hear of anyone having problems breaking the libm link... it's always the libc link... Anthony -- Anthony Hall _ _ Unix System Administrator aehall@seattleu.edu /_/ /_/ Physician Micro Systems, Inc. _ _ 2033 6th Ave Suite 707 /_/ /_/ Seattle, WA 98122 206-441-8490 ------------------------------ From: rfs@world.std.com (Rikk F Streng) Subject: Need XWindows on my Cirrus Logic 5426 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 12:12:26 GMT I got Linux running as best I can, now I want to use Xwindows. But every time I start it it comes up BAD. I mess with "test" modes, make up some numbers, my monitor whines alot, and I get nothing. Sometimes I get SEVERAL pointers diagonal to each other, other times I get a HUGE (1/4 screen) pointer on a flickering backround. I don't know anything about my version of Linux, I bought it at a computer fair for $66 with the a,b,some d, and x packs since I had the dough. Now I want to USE it. I probably need Xconfig and a driver. I have no idea how to install them. I have never seen "unix" until I installed this. But it looks alright, just gotta get them windows! Any help? I looked on tsx-11 and all I found was a badly outdated doc describing old cirrus drivers I've never heard of. And some programming stuff I don't know how to install. Rikk ------------------------------ From: rwooden@access.digex.net (Richard Wooden) Subject: Differences between SLS .99pl9-1 and SLS .99pl11 Date: 14 Aug 1993 08:26:53 -0400 I need to know if the Xwindows package in .99pl11 is different from the version in .99pl9-1. This would save me alot of time downloading if they are the same. 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