From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 16:13:15 EDT Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #109 Linux-Activists Digest #109, Volume #6 Fri, 13 Aug 93 16:13:15 EDT Contents: Inexpensive Ether Reprinted from comp.os.os2.networking (Eric Hollas) Re: Why would I want LINUX? (Lawrence Foard) SLS 1.03 - eth0 problems (Sait Umar,) Does linux work with 1542c BIOS enabled? (Eric Larsen) Re: A Word Processor for Linux (Sol Lightman) Re: Linux and Reliability (Olaf Titz) Re: ZMODEM hiccups starting at pl10 (Kevin Sanders) Problem with pl11 and kill -9 (accsah@vaxa.hofstra.edu) Re: Sucessfully compiled a GIF viewer on LINUX ? (Olaf Titz) Problems with SLS 1.03 (Eidoo Khalid) Re: Why would I want LINUX? (Olaf Titz) SLS 1.03 missing zoneinfo (Robert L. McMillin) Re: What runs under dosemu? (Howlin' Bob) Re: Redirection bug in bash on Linux (Arjan de Vet) Re: How to get a boot/root linux floppy (Kevin Burtch) Re: How many PCMCIA slots (Barry Jaspan) Re: A Word Processor for Linux (Ken Fisler) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oraq@cs.utexas.edu (Eric Hollas) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Inexpensive Ether Reprinted from comp.os.os2.networking Date: 13 Aug 1993 12:16:55 -0500 From X Fri Aug 13 12:09:24 CDT 1993 Article: 6329 of comp.os.os2.networking Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking Path: cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!kimbark!sip1 From: sip1@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) Subject: Inexpensive Ethernet Adapters: Spectacular Offer! Message-ID: <1993Aug9.215135.25905@midway.uchicago.edu> Followup-To: comp.os.os2.networking Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 21:51:35 GMT Lines: 32 Xref: cs.utexas.edu comp.os.os2.misc:71170 comp.os.os2.networking:6329 In the August 9th issue of LAN Times there is an advertisement from Accton Technology Corporation. They are advertising a special offer (while supplies last) for their EN1651 MPX 16-bit AT bus ethernet adapter. You can purchase up to two of these adapters at the evaluation price of just $29 each. These ethernet adapters are NE2000 compatible (which means they'll work under OS/2 just fine). The offer is good in the United States and Canada only. Add $5 for shipping and handling. This is a perfect way to set up your OS/2 workgroup -- a pair of these adapters will cost only about $60. Add IBM's TCP/IP for OS/2, the NE2000 driver from ftp-os2.cdrom.com, and you've got a two station small network. To order, or for more information, call 800-926-9288 or 510-226-9800 or FAX 510-226-9833. When you order, be sure to tell Accton you are using their adapter with IBM OS/2 2.x. (They can use that information in future product planning.) Looking for Token Ring? In the same issue the Andrew Token Ring Adapter Card is advertised at $199 (first card only). It is a 16-bit AT bus 16/4 adapter. Offer ends September 30, 1993. To order call (800) 328-2696 ext. 372 in the United States. Elsewhere call (708) 349-5440 or FAX (708) 349-5673. In Europe (only) call (44) 734 894689. -- Timothy F. Sipples | READ the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions List sip1@kimbark.uchicago.edu | 2.1B, available from 192.153.46.2, anonymous Dept. of Econ., Univ. | ftp, in /pub/os2/all/info/faq, or from of Chicago, 60637 | LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP"). Eric -- <-=) Oraq (=-> "The active mind, a capacity realized *only* in ---- the individual, produces all wealth. Wealth, Linux/GUS/Rush/Star Trek/RPGs for man, is created in *no* other way. With oraq@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Objectivism, Ayn Rand's philosophy of rational oraq@cs.utexas.edu self-interest, the moral man trades values." ------------------------------ From: entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard) Subject: Re: Why would I want LINUX? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 17:33:26 GMT In article <55270001@hplvec.lvld.hp.com> rozum@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Stephen Rozum) writes: > >I have a simple question to all those who use LINUX. > > *** Why should I want to use LINUX? ** > >Before you start flaming me with "If you need to ask the question then >you don't need LINUX" please tell me the applications you are using it for. Multi user database (mailing lists), teleradiography, capture a CAT scan picture on one end, transmit it over a modem and display it under X windows on the other end. >I know that LINUX is UNIX operating system for PC's, but unfortunately >it can't run my DOS base programs (i.e., Borland C++ compilier, Amipro, >games, Mktools, etc...). You can still keep a DOS partition for games on your computer :-) But for software development a Unix like environment is infinitly easier. No 640K limit, no 64K segments, no destroyed FAT tables after program crashs, memory mapped files etc. -- ====== Time: 820713600 seconds, Space: 1727.2mm, Mass: 9.5E10 ug . \ / Kinsey: 4.5, Religion: Science, Energy: 8.55E18, OS: Linux . . \ / Species: Human, Planet: Earth, Fame: Tinymush, Allergy: Dustmite . . . \/ Purity: 40, Sex: male, frequent, Drugs: Caffeine, Rock & roll: . . . . ------------------------------ From: umar@compsci.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Sait Umar, ) Subject: SLS 1.03 - eth0 problems Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 17:23:50 GMT I have just made from scratch upgrade from SLS 1.02 to 1.03. All network stuff worked well under 1.02. The SLS 1.03 was the latest version with fixes at Aug.12 10 a.m., which included the fix for rc.net. Nothing works now. One of the problems I am getting at an unspecifed time is: eth0: transmit timed out, TX status 0x3, ISR 0x17. eth0: Possible IRQ conflict on IRQ5? eth0: Resetting the 3C503 board... 0x708=0x0 0x706=0x2 0x705=0x49...done As you see I have a 3c503 Etherlink II/16 card which is recognized during the initial boot. The connection is thin-net. The computer is DELL 486P/50. I can telnet, ping and ftp to myself. Thanks, -- ========================================================================= umar@compsci.cas.vanderbilt.edu Prof.A.S. Umar umarsa00@vuctrvax.bitnet Department of Physics & Astronomy Tel: (615) 322-2459 Vanderbilt University Fax: (615) 343-7263 Nashville, TN 37235 ========================================================================= ------------------------------ From: unas@venice.sedd.trw.com (Eric Larsen) Subject: Does linux work with 1542c BIOS enabled? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 17:50:20 GMT OK, I've read all the FAQs I can find, but.... Trying to boot with the a1 disk (both SLS1.02 and 1.03) gives me the following: aha1542_out failed(1) : Configuring Adaptec at IO:330, IRQ 10, DMA priority 7 aha1542_out failed(1) : aha1542.c : interrupt received, but no mail. scsi0: Adaptec 1542 Adaptec 1542scsi : 1 hosts aha1542.c : interrupt received, but no mail. The BIOS is enabled with the >1Gbyte extension on (I've got the Maxtor P1-17S). With the BIOS turned off, the boot disk recognizes the drive and CD-ROM, boots OK, but fdisk reports overlapping start/end blocks of the partitions on the hard drive - presumably because of the >1Gbyte extension formatting which is turned off with the BIOS. I've tried most, if not all, combinations of DMA/IRQ/IO port/1542c settings to try to get the thing to boot with the BIOS on... Is anyone using the 1542c with the BIOS enabled?? Any ideas??? Russ Cinkle cinkle@ranger.sedd.trw.com ------------------------------ From: verdant@twain.ucs.umass.edu (Sol Lightman) Subject: Re: A Word Processor for Linux Date: 13 Aug 1993 18:14:26 GMT Reply-To: verdant@twain.ucs.umass.edu Is there any reason to write the proposed Word Processor as a stand-alone program. I say this because, from what little I have seen of emacs, it seems to be a very flexible basic editor with a lot of potential for expansion. Perhaps it would be better to write the WP as a set of advanced functions for emacs and interfaces between emacs and other packages, like teX and graphics interace packages (curses, etc.) Just a thought from a Linux newbie... Brian -- The University of Massachusetts at Amherst | _________,^-. Cannabis Reform Coalition ( | ) ,> S.A.O. Box #2 \|/ { 415 Student Union Building `-^-' ? ) UMASS, Amherst MA 01003 verdant@twain.ucs.umass.edu |____________ `--~ ; \_,-__/ * To find out about our on-line library, mail a message with the * pattern "{{{readme}}}" contained IN THE SUBJECT LINE. * You will be mailed instructions; your message will be otherwise ignored ------------------------------ From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin Subject: Re: Linux and Reliability Date: 13 Aug 1993 18:24:30 GMT In article johnw@vti.com (John Wiegley) writes: > My main question is one of reliability. What have others experienced > using Linux? pl9-10? What I need is a system that I can plug in As for my experience, I can confirm that the system I run - the most important applications are UUCP based mail/news and TeX - is rock-solid. Currently I have Linux 0.99.9 installed, but I'm using it since 0.11 or so and never had stability problems. Once I got it to run, it always kept running. My advice on configuring a system is: Use only known good hardware, i.e. check the compatibility list before purchase even if some may find this over-careful. (I think it over-careful myself but if reliability is the main concern...) IDE disks are best wrt. headache-less-ness (and cheapest, btw.) And use only known good software, i.e. the second-newest kernel release after having scanned c.o.l. for the most frequently reported problems. Olaf -- olaf titz o olaf@bigred.ka.sub.org praetorius@irc comp.sc.student _>\ _ s_titz@ira.uka.de LINUX - the choice karlsruhe germany (_)<(_) uknf@dkauni2.bitnet of a GNU generation what good is a photograph of you? everytime i look at it it makes me feel blue ------------------------------ From: kevin@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Kevin Sanders) Subject: Re: ZMODEM hiccups starting at pl10 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 17:49:26 GMT In article jmsimon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jeffrey M. Simon) writes: > >I'd guess that you have 16450's (or another non-16550 UART) and your >CRC errors coincide with when 'update' syncs the disk. If this is the >case, try killing update before your transfer (you can restart it after). > >I've noticed this in several systems, both IDE and SCSI based; it just >appears to take too long to flush the buffer caches to keep zmodem >happy :-) > I doubt this is the problem; it typically gets this failure once every 10 seconds or so, and I don't believe update accesses the disk that often. Like I said before, while data is coming into the modem, no acknowledges appear to go out (I am looking at the TX/RX leds). Acknowledges are only transmitted after the sender stops sending, presumably due to lack of timely acknowledgements. -- [] [] [][] [][] Kevin Sanders, KN6FQ NCR Torrey Pines [] [] [] [] [] kevin.sanders@torreypinesca.ncr.com (619) 597-3602 [][] [][] [][] kevin%beacons@cyber.net [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [][] Dump MS-DOS. Prevent Programmer Burnout with Linux. ------------------------------ From: accsah@vaxa.hofstra.edu Subject: Problem with pl11 and kill -9 Date: 13 Aug 93 14:07:45 EST Recently I upgraded to the SLS 1.03 distribution, and noted that I have trouble killing getty processes. The situation that I have encountered is as follows: - I initiated a getty process, by re-initializing. - I then commented out the getty process in my inittab. - I then to attempt to "kill -9". It seems that the problem is with the patch level 11 kernel. HAs anyone else expierenced this problem? ================================================================================ Steven Henry | Electrical Engineering | Linux - The internet operating system accsah@vaxc.hofstra.edu | egg2sah@vaxc.hofstra.edu | Information is power. Power is information. ================================================================================ ******** DEATH TO THE CLIPPER PROJECT ******* ================================================================================ ------------------------------ From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) Subject: Re: Sucessfully compiled a GIF viewer on LINUX ? Date: 13 Aug 1993 18:32:37 GMT In article <245ors$4r7@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> luong@athena.mit.edu (Luong Nguyen) writes: > xli I got error messages from the code about undefined variable SIGBUS. I That's a major problem IMHO *because* it's so trivial. Code that uses non-standard signals like SIGBUS should be braced by #ifdef's, in case they are not defined. Unfortunately, SIGBUS has been around on Un*x since version 7 and most people consider it standard (but it is not, as far as I know, required by POSIX). The quick fix: Append #define SIGBUS 7 to /usr/include/linux/signal.h (before flaming me away now think about the ratio of importance of such headaches while porting vs. the unimportance of the fact that this does not match the kernel signal generation) or add -DSIGBUS=7 to your compiler options. Olaf -- olaf titz o olaf@bigred.ka.sub.org praetorius@irc comp.sc.student _>\ _ s_titz@ira.uka.de LINUX - the choice karlsruhe germany (_)<(_) uknf@dkauni2.bitnet of a GNU generation what good is a photograph of you? everytime i look at it it makes me feel blue ------------------------------ From: a010eido@cdf.toronto.edu (Eidoo Khalid) Subject: Problems with SLS 1.03 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 18:16:47 GMT Hello. I have just finished installing SLS version 1.03 which I got from tsx-11.mit.edu. I must say that i have only one problem. My problem is: I am missing little programs such as 'prompt' and 'hostname'. When I installed SLS, I got no error messages as to what I was installing. All I would like to know is in which disk are these utilities kept (eg A2) and in which file so I may get these programs. X-windows, TeX and everything else I installed worked fine. Oh, and one other question. What did the installationmean when it asked for a patch disk during the creation of the boot disk? Thanks.... ------------------------------ From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Why would I want LINUX? Date: 13 Aug 1993 18:52:52 GMT A couple of good reasons: 1. I'm familiar with Un*x anyway, and I like the way things are done with it. In fact, I think the Un*x simplicistic approach to OS services provides an overall appearance that is superior to most other OSs. This is a reason for Un*x in general. 2. I like to run several things at once, i.e. when I've started a long compiler run I want to be able to switch to another window or console and continue work on another thing. This is a reason against MSDOS, since as far as I know all multi-tasking add-ons for it are brain-dead and a gross waste of resources. (Yes, I know this from experience.) 3. I like the genuine GNU Emacs. It runs best on Un*x. (For the record, back when I was using DOS I've got stuck to that wonderful Freemacs even when the first version of GNU Emacs for DOS came out but didn't work due to a collision with the memory manager. The next Emacs that I tried was under Linux...) 4. I need to run mail and news, the software for which being available for Un*x in a sufficient number of nice and stable versions. 5. I need a decent application development platform. Un*x combined with powerful tools such as the abovementioned GNU Emacs and the obligatory make, RCS et cetera provides IMHO the best that you can get for less than megabucks. And GCC is surely one of the best compilers out anyway. 6. I need to run TeX, and I've tried the DOS version compared to the Linux version on the same box - the latter is *much* faster (esp. metafont) and uses less space, so another good reason to abandon DOS. 7. I am neither able nor willing to spend big bucks on software when I can get good material for less. :-) Especially not since Linux is actually the best OS you can get for the 386 class of hardware, if you consider things like speed, memory usage, availability of software, even support (from friendly net.people etc.) 8. Finally, yes I have some experience with computers and are one of the "fix-problems-myself" types. I'm not sure whether Linux fits well to newbies (but Windogs doesn't either! Read the chapter in the manual about memory management.) But installing and maintaining Linux for others could make a good business :-) (and a "better", not in the $$$ sense, business than selling proprietary software that is obsolete as shipped.) You see, I support the GNU idea. Olaf -- olaf titz o olaf@bigred.ka.sub.org praetorius@irc comp.sc.student _>\ _ s_titz@ira.uka.de LINUX - the choice karlsruhe germany (_)<(_) uknf@dkauni2.bitnet of a GNU generation what good is a photograph of you? everytime i look at it it makes me feel blue ------------------------------ From: rlm@helen.surfcty.com (Robert L. McMillin) Subject: SLS 1.03 missing zoneinfo Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 15:48:00 GMT Has anyone else noticed that SLS 1.02 is missing the zoneinfo stuff present in 1.0? Did this get fixed in 1.03? Or am *I* missing something? -- Robert L. McMillin | Surf City Software | rlm@helen.surfcty.com | Dude! This .sig for rent. ------------------------------ From: gt8134b@prism.gatech.EDU (Howlin' Bob) Subject: Re: What runs under dosemu? Date: 13 Aug 93 19:26:40 GMT In <1993Aug11.173758@hammer.prime.com> cummings@hammer.prime.com (Kevin Cummings) writes: >I thought that I read in the last DOSEMU release that two things were not yet >working right. Video graphics, and COM port communications. Granted, Quicken Graphics work fine, and serial communications are good enough for a mouse, depending on your mouse driver (some seem more finicky than others). I think that some versions of Quicken need the "/k0" switch to work. >Does the mouse function under DOSEMU? Is the screen in color or B&W? Can If you use console or VGA mode, the screen is in color. Make sure you have the latest version of dosemu (0.49). -- Robert Sanders Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt8134b Internet: gt8134b@prism.gatech.edu ------------------------------ From: devet@adv.win.tue.nl (Arjan de Vet) Subject: Re: Redirection bug in bash on Linux Date: 13 Aug 1993 21:22:23 +0200 In article <4657@rztsun.rz.tu-harburg.de>, Thomas Hiller wrote: >The following script (taken from ghostscript 2.6.*) runs with bash on >SUN, but not on Linux. It seems to me like a buffer problem. But I >can not solve this problem. Is it with bash or with Linux ? >exec 3>&1 1>&2 This may be the problem statement. Here's a fix I got from Chet Ramey: ============================================================================= I found it (we had fixed this a few months back, which is why it's not reproducible in current development versions). Your gdb guy was close, but was looking at the wrong thing. He is correct in that gdb manages something differently from dbx, but that thing is file descriptors, not memory.) Bash uses file descriptor 3 for reading the script, because that's the file descriptor returned by open. When the Configure script uses the `exec 3>&1' construct, the bash code doesn't know how to handle it, because stdio doesn't allow swapping file descriptors associated with FILEs. Bash does ahead and does the dup2, duplicating fd 1 onto fd 3. The stdio FILE still has file descriptor 3 associated with it, and tries to read from it, which results in the script attempting to read from stdout when it goes back for more of the script. I have appended a patch with code from the current development version of 1.13 that fixes this. sh and ksh have always done something like this with the script fd, moving it to a file descriptor out of the user-accessible range (which has traditionally been 0-9). The bash problem is harder, since Posix.2 says that all file descriptors are user-accessible (e.g., 10>/dev/null redirects file descriptor 10, rather than file descriptor 0 as sh and ksh do). There are no descriptors that are `off-limits' to the user, so this patch adds a dup2 to getdtablesize() - 1 and hopes for the best. The original 1.12 code worked in gdb because gdb uses fd 3 for its own purposes, so it is open when bash is run, and therefore not used when bash opens the script file. (The file descriptor returned by the open is 5, in my case.) This leaves file descriptor 3 free for use by the `exec'. *** shell.c.orig Tue Jan 21 00:52:37 1992 --- shell.c Thu Feb 25 07:39:09 1993 *************** *** 706,709 **** --- 706,720 ---- } + { + int script_fd; + + script_fd = dup2 (fd, getdtablesize () - 1); + if (script_fd) + { + close (fd); + fd = script_fd; + } + } + default_input = fdopen (fd, "r"); -- ``The use of history as therapy means the corruption of history as history.'' -- Arthur Schlesinger Chet Ramey, Case Western Reserve University Internet: chet@po.CWRU.Edu ============================================================================= Arjan -- Arjan de Vet (home) Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands (work) ------------------------------ From: kburtch@pts.mot.com (Kevin Burtch) Subject: Re: How to get a boot/root linux floppy Reply-To: kburtch@pts.mot.com Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 18:04:34 GMT In article 10340@fs3.cam.nist.gov, crosson@cam.nist.gov (Bob Crosson) writes: >I would like to create the equivalent of the SLS A1 disk for >the version of linux I'm running on my system. I've read the >lilo documentation but I'm still not sure of what I'm doing and >why things aren't working. Could someone please correct my >thinking listed below? > >Doing a 'dd if=/zImage of=/dev/fd0' copies a bootable image >to a floppy. I know this part works. The problem is how to >get a root file system on that same floppy and how to get the >image to mount that root file system. > * misc. deleted * Why would you want to use something that slow (floppy) as the root filesystem? Are you planning on making an install system for some linux software? I`m not positive as to how LILO does it, but when booting the a1, it says it's loading the ramdisk (I think) Does anyone know if it is using the ramdisk as the root? It doesn't look like it if you type "mount" or "df", but it acts like it during the install. (my useless babble) Kevin ------------------------------ From: bjaspan@GZA.COM (Barry Jaspan) Crossposted-To: alt.periphs.pcmcia,comp.sys.laptops Subject: Re: How many PCMCIA slots Date: 13 Aug 1993 19:32:34 GMT In article , dougm@teal.csn.org (Douglas McCallum) writes: |> In article <2496f2$1v6@pad-thai.aktis.com> bjaspan@GZA.COM (Barry Jaspan) writes: |> >I am working on quasi-generic PCMCIA support for Linux... |> >It will be "quasi"-generic because PCMCIA cards do not appear |> >to have a sufficiently useful standard that everyone adheres to.. |> |> Except for RAM cards, what isn't standard? There is a very detailed spec |> for what configuration a card has. First, the spec does not provide a way for a card to identity the kind of device it is (modem, network, etc). As far as I can tell, a generic enabler just has to know the manfucaturer/product name for every device it wants to support, so it can tell what driver to attach to it. Alternatively, it could make an educated guess based on the ports and memory ranges a card wants mapped, but that seems like a rathole. Second, not all cards adhere to the spec. The AT&T Paradyne Keep In Touch Modem, for example, does not work when a correct value is written to Config Register 0 and the appropriate IO ports are mapped. I don't know why, and AT&T isn't being helpful. |> With LAN cards, it |> depends on whether the vendor is using the approved LAN tuple yet.. This points to the third problem, which is that the PCMCIA Standards document is not complete. There seems to be a number of tuples that are not documented. Perhaps full members get that information, but I can't afford to spend $1,000+ on it ($250 was already more than I should have had to pay). -- Barry Jaspan, bjaspan@gza.com Geer Zolot Associates ------------------------------ From: bc151@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ken Fisler) Subject: Re: A Word Processor for Linux Date: 13 Aug 1993 20:10:14 GMT After a lot of flames and loyalty oaths on the topic of word processors for Linux, Ewen Macdonald (ewenm@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU) finally said what I was hoping someone would say: > Seems to me this argument always ends up being irrelevant to > Linux. Its not a comparison of current word processors that is > important to Linux. No one questions the power of TeX. Its just > the front end to it that most people don't like, if there was a > WYSIWIG word processor that used TeX as its engine and gave you > acess to the TeX source, and the ability to EDIT the document in > preview mode (not just view), have short cut keys and pull down > menus would both camps be happy ? Bravo! I'm new to Linux, but shortly I'll be buying a new computer and would like to move up and out of the DOS world. I'm considering Linux and, as ordinary writing (not typesetting) is my main function, the availability of a near- or pure-WYSIWYG is about #1 in my list of concerns. If moving to Linux means trying to compose on something using EDLIN-style front-end-- even if it's 'better'-- then I'll stay with WordStar on DOS. However, if TeX is so great, why not have a couple or more front-ends for it, one for ordinary writing, one for spreadsheets, another for drawing, and others for communications, database, typesetting, writing/editing source code and pics, sound, video and whatever. If all such applications could write to the same file, you would have the kind of true interoperability most users are seeking in WindHose. (Of course, this set of projects would require the source code to TeX; is it PD-available? Like I said, I'm new here.) I await your kind and informative responses. ================================================================== Ken Fisler Internet: bc151@cleveland.freenet.edu Bitnet: bc151%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm =================================================================== ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Activists-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux) via: Internet: Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de pub/msdos/replace The current version of Linux is 0.99pl9 released on April 23, 1993 End of Linux-Activists Digest ******************************