From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 13:13:16 EDT Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #108 Linux-Activists Digest #108, Volume #6 Fri, 13 Aug 93 13:13:16 EDT Contents: Re: Why would I want LINUX? (Thomas Pfau) $$MOTIF$$ (Jared Dahl) Re: SLS 1.03 no good ad for linux (accsah@vaxa.hofstra.edu) Why no keyboard input for Win 3.0 under dosemo0.49? (Daniel W. Bingler) Re: More annoyance on the DMA problem (Byron A Jeff) Mitumi Driver on newer Kernel (Todd Ignasiak) Linux mouse problem ("Jon H. Hamlin") Re: Who is in charge of curses? (Piercarlo Grandi) Network unreachable - SLS 1.03 - NET-2 (Sait Umar) Re: Why would I want LINUX? (Joost Helberg) Re: Mac only a toy! (Owen P. Crow) Linux FSP Sites? (INGRAM LEEDY) Re: SLS update: p12a and a1.3 (Jeff Loeliger) Re: clock -r strange results (was Re: what time is it?) (Brian McCauley) Re: A Proposed Approach to a Linux WYSIWYG Word Processor (Piercarlo Grandi) Re: A Word Processor for Linux (Piercarlo Grandi) intel smc cards (Joachim Kim) Re: ttys0/ttys2 IRQ conflict (?) (Brandon S. Allbery) Re: oops, I broke the link for /lib/libc.so.4 (Warner Losh) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pfau@coffee.enet.dec.com (Thomas Pfau) Subject: Re: Why would I want LINUX? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 14:51:54 GMT In article <55270001@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM>, rozum@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Stephen Rozum) writes... >I have a simple question to all those who use LINUX. > > *** Why should I want to use LINUX? ** Ever want to do two things at once? Ever want to get some REAL work done while a file transfer goes on in the background? This is the MAIN reason why I'm running linux. DOS/Windows is a lousy multitasking setup. If I try to bring up a new application while a file transfer is in progress, the file transfer usually crashes. Last night, I started X-Windows while a file transfer was in progress. The 'rx' light on the modem never even dimmed. Try that with DOS. >I know that LINUX is UNIX operating system for PC's, but unfortunately >it can't run my DOS base programs (i.e., Borland C++ compilier, Amipro, >games, Mktools, etc...). You don't need Borland C++ if you have GNU C++. Besides, with linux, you get true 32 bit integers and 32 bit flat address. With Borland, you get 32 bit integers probably through emulation and you're stuck with segmented 16 bit addresses and major hacks to get anything larger than 64K. Games? There's plenty of good games floating around the network that run under X-Windows. For word processing, there's TeX. It's not WYSIWYG but it could probably do anything Ami-Pro can do if you take the time to learn it. On the other hand, you can load linux *and* DOS to your hard disk and boot into DOS/Windows if you want to use Ami-Pro. I don't know what Mktools is so I can't comment there. tom_p ====================================================================== pfau@coffee.enet.dec.com | Mapmaker's disclaimer: 16.69.208.195 | 'Not responsible for topographical Compuserve: 73303,1136 | errors.' ====================================================================== ------------------------------ From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) Subject: $$MOTIF$$ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 14:08:57 GMT I just wanted to inform all parties here on comp.os.linux that a company is selling Motif for Linux. The company is called Linux Systems Labs, offers what seems to be SLS (they don't mention SLS) for $59.95 on disks or CD ROM, and is offering Motif for $175. The ad ran on page 98 of Unix Review Magazine. The number was: 1-800-432-0556 I am only reporting this so folks know, since I have no connection to Linux Systems Labs. Jared Dahl Opinions are mine, not my employers Send mail to gypsy!macaw@csn.org ------------------------------ From: accsah@vaxa.hofstra.edu Subject: Re: SLS 1.03 no good ad for linux Date: 13 Aug 93 09:31:27 EST In article <1993Aug11.075557.17176@rob.cs.tu-bs.de>, mka@rob.cs.tu-bs.de (Michael Kauschke) writes: > So the a1.3 had a complete hit rate of 20%. It had a "hit rate" of 100% on the three machines that I installed it on. One a DTK motherboard, a Chips and Technologies motherboard, and a Magitronic brand motherboard. May be it was just a corrupted copy of the a1.3 disk? > > 1.) Is it smart to hand out booting kernel which is pumped up with > some funny highly specialized device drivers as there is almost noone > trying to install Linux via ftp? To my opinion a boot > kernel should not have anything which is not absolute necessary for > booting from fd. Well, you may find it bad to have a boot disk with so many device drivers, but the a1.3 disk is intended for EVERYONE (almost). I find nothing wrong with including support for a wide variety of systems. ================================================================================ Steven Henry | Electrical Engineering | Linux - The internet operating system accsah@vaxc.hofstra.edu | egg2sah@vaxc.hofstra.edu | Information is power. Power is information. ================================================================================ ******** DEATH TO THE CLIPPER PROJECT ******* ================================================================================ ------------------------------ From: dwb4h@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Daniel W. Bingler) Subject: Why no keyboard input for Win 3.0 under dosemo0.49? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 13:50:02 GMT Hey, Can someone tell me why Windows 3.0 under dosemo0.49 doesn't recognize keyboard input? I am using the rawkeybaord as well as mouse. I have no trouble with anything else. Thanks, Rob dwb4h@virginia.edu ------------------------------ From: byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) Subject: Re: More annoyance on the DMA problem Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 14:40:18 GMT [ I've rerouted this thread to c.o.l.d. I've also written Mr. Monroy via Email asking him to limit his very technical thread to c.o.l.d. Here is the posting. ] >I think the massive crossposting of this very technical thread is >inappropriate. However if you're going to post in the comp.os.linux >hierarchy there is now an appropriate place for it: comp.os.linux.development. >I've changed the newsgroup line to go there. Please make sure that any >followups go only to that group of the c.o.l hierarchy. > >Thanks, > >BAJ As you can see it is polite and to the point. So if this DMA thread shows up anywhere other than c.o.l.d I ask that we ALL send dear Mr. Monroy and his postmaster polite messages asking him to stop until he does. Thanks (and sorry for adding to the noise) BAJ --- Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of... Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel! Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu ------------------------------ From: ignasiak@rs560.cl.msu.edu (Todd Ignasiak) Subject: Mitumi Driver on newer Kernel Date: 13 Aug 1993 10:55:18 -0400 Has anyone successfully compiled the mitsumi driver on a new kernel? I am trying to get it working with a 0.99 pl11 kernel. I added the patches by hand because some of the kernel files had changed since the mcd driver was released (0.3 release of mcd). That all seemed to go fine, but when it tried to compile mcd.c, I get a lot of errors: mcd.c: In function `int mcd_ioctl (struct msdos_inode_info::inode*, struct file*, unsigned int, long unsigned int)': mcd.c:337: warning: passing unsigned pointer to signed pointer argument 1 of `void bin2bcd (char *)' I get a bunch of these warnings for different lines, but they're only warnings. But, the one it fails on is this: mcd.c: In function `void mcd_data ()': mcd.c:728: parse error before `::' which is: READ_DATA(MCDPORT(0), &mcd_buf[0], 2048); Read_data is defined as: #define READ_DATA(port, buf, nr) \ __asm__("cld;rep;insb"::"d" (port),"D" (buf),"c" (nr):"cx","di") and I get a bunch of warnings similar to the one above, but the is the only real error. Thanks, -tji -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Todd Ignasiak Network Services Michigan State University ignasiak@tji.cl.msu.edu (OS/2) ------------------------------ From: "Jon H. Hamlin" Subject: Linux mouse problem Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 10:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Last week, I posted a message that I was having problems with XFree86 and my mouse under a newly installed Linux system. The problem turned out to be that I was using the MCC distribution of Linux and it wasn't detecting my mouse as a PS/2 mouse. I installed the SLS distribution and it detected the PS/2 device at boot. I set X to see a PS/2 mouse on /dev/ps2aux and X works just fine now. Thanks to those who responsed with suggestions. Jon ------------------------------ From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) Subject: Re: Who is in charge of curses? Reply-To: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 14:52:19 GMT >>> On Thu, 12 Aug 93 13:32:56 GMT, hjl@nynexst.com (H.J. Lu) said: H> I don't know anyone who is working on the curses in the Linux C H> library. But I am preparing to dump it for the ncurses once the H> nncurses is stabilized. The main problem is I am not sure if the H> ncurses is 100% compatible with the old one. I am concerned about the H> shared library. Whatever thing happens, I want to make a very strong plug for libterm. Libterm is a termcap clone that has two amazing properties: it reads both terminfo and termcap format terminal descriptions, and $TERMCAP is a colon separated path of places where to look for terminal descriptions. These two features are very important; using libterm as a substratum for both curses and ncurses would make them way more compatible more transparently. ------------------------------ From: umar@compsci.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Sait Umar) Subject: Network unreachable - SLS 1.03 - NET-2 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 14:45:32 GMT I went through the latest version of SLS 1.03 (including the fixes put in AUg. 12 at 10 am). This version installed flowlessly and went through the menu driven network setup part. I configured all the files I could see, host, hosts, HOSTNAME, resolv.conf, rc.net ... Everthing was working before under SLS 1.02. When the boot goes through rc.net every external route command gives SIOOO: Network unreachable error. I have the net round before gateway... Can someone ship me configuration files that work. I went through the NET-2 FAQ as well. Thanks, -- ========================================================================= umar@compsci.cas.vanderbilt.edu Prof.A.S. Umar umarsa00@vuctrvax.bitnet Department of Physics & Astronomy Tel: (615) 322-2459 Vanderbilt University Fax: (615) 343-7263 Nashville, TN 37235 ========================================================================= ------------------------------ From: jhelberg@nl.oracle.com (Joost Helberg) Subject: Re: Why would I want LINUX? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 14:06:45 GMT Stephen Rozum (rozum@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM) wrote: : I have a simple question to all those who use LINUX. : *** Why should I want to use LINUX? ** : Before you start flaming me with "If you need to ask the question then : you don't need LINUX" please tell me the applications you are using it for. : I know that LINUX is UNIX operating system for PC's, but unfortunately : it can't run my DOS base programs (i.e., Borland C++ compilier, Amipro, : games, Mktools, etc...). Yes it can (dosemulator even runs window 3.0). But you don't want to, there are better tools on Linux! -- Joost Helberg Rijnzathe 6 jhelberg@oracle.nl NL-3454 PV De Meern jhelberg@nl.oracle.com The Netherlands Oracle Europe BV Product Line Development Phone: +31 3406 94211 Fax: +31 3406 65609 ------------------------------ From: opc7428@tamsun.tamu.edu (Owen P. Crow) Subject: Re: Mac only a toy! Date: 13 Aug 1993 10:04:24 -0500 In article <1993Aug12.220101.9055@nicmad.uucp> robinson@nicmad.uucp (Dennis Robinson - Summer Intern) writes: > >Hello Mac and PC Clone Worlds, > [_Useless_ small-talk about Macs, PCs and linux deleted] Please think next time... This is c.o.l, not alt.talk.about.the.old.mac.vs- pc.war.again.again.again. Maybe it's just my fault; I read your article praying you were getting to a point. Mea Culpa. O ------------------------------ From: gil@beach.cis.ufl.edu (INGRAM LEEDY) Subject: Linux FSP Sites? Date: 13 Aug 1993 15:30:30 GMT Does anyone know of any of the FSP sites for downloading Linux? FSP makes things so nice since you can download in the background. I know that tsx-11.mit.edu use to have fsp access, but it doesn't seem to work. I hope that it isnt because of unligitimate fsp sites, they decieded to close shop. Thanks for any information.. Ingram Leedy ------------------------------ From: Jeff Loeliger Subject: Re: SLS update: p12a and a1.3 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 15:01:42 GMT Subject: Re: SLS update: p12a and a1.3 From: Yonik Christopher Seeley, yseeley@leland.Stanford.EDU Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 00:52:44 GMT In article <1993Aug13.005244.25177@leland.Stanford.EDU> Yonik Christopher Seeley, yseeley@leland.Stanford.EDU writes: >In article chris@dudes.surfcty.com (Chris >Johnston) writes: >>sanjuan!pmacdona@sol.UVic.CA (Peter MacDonald) writes: >> >>-> SLS has been updated to 99p12a, the officially announced one of Aug 7. >>-> Also updated was the mitsumi driver, and Eric's new elf driver. >>-> So ELF compatiblity now works, again. Nice work Eric. >>-> >>-> There is also a new boot disk, a1.3. NFS installs work again. >>-> Also the other bugs (fstab with /root/, swap setup failure, >>-> lilo not setup, etc) should be banished. >>-> >> >>Peter - >> >>Does this mean I have to download the world again? I had just finished >>copying all of the SLS 1.03 stuff (8/7/93 ver) to floppy and I read this. >> >>Are there only segments that I can get, or should I get >>it all... Not to sound too stupid, but I just wanted to know. > >Just look at the dates on tsx-11. There are only four disks that >have changed since the 7th. You don't even have to download the >whole disks, just note the changes in them. > >- Yonik Seeley >yseeley@cs.stanford.edu > Or you could just check the ChangeLog file in the SLS directory. This file lists all the changes. You only need to download the files listed in the Changelog file for 930811. Here is the last 2 entries in the file: 930802: */*: total update 1.03 930811: a1.3: new bootdisk with nfs, lilo, swap fixes, etc a2/image.tgz: new 99p12 alpha kernel (Aug 7) a3/elfabi.tgz: updated elf emulator a4/sysadm.tgz: new admin scripts b4/lx99p12.tgz: kernel source b5/lxpatch.tgz: new kernel patches b7/zbfix.tgz: a new rc.net, for net-2 Jeff Loeliger r12110@email.sps.mot.com > >> >>Chris >> >>****************************************************************** >>** Chris D. Johnston 714/289-8543 ** >>** Surf City Software 714/289-1002 (fax) ** >>** chris@surfcty.com Surf.City (AppleLink) ** >>** 1095 N. Main Street, M-1, Orange, California 92667 ** >>** The Cart Before the Horse? Preposterous! ** >>****************************************************************** > > ------------------------------ From: bam@wcl-l.bham.ac.uk (Brian McCauley) Subject: Re: clock -r strange results (was Re: what time is it?) Date: 13 Aug 1993 16:45:18 GMT Reply-To: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk In article <24d8stINN23d@kralizec.zeta.org.au> nick@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Nick Andrew) writes: # clock -r ; clock -u -r Mon Aug 12 21:07:30 1993 Thu Aug 12 21:07:30 1993 # date Thu Aug 12 11:07:37 GMT 1993 # clock -u -w ; clock -r ; clock -u -r Thu Aug 12 11:10:14 1993 Thu Aug 12 11:10:14 1993 Can anybody explain why clock now emits the correct day of the week? The h/w clock stores and updates the day of week as a separate fact from the time of day and the date rather than deviving all of these from the time in seconds as Unix does. DOS does not use or set the h/w clock day of week but derives it from the BIOS date so unless you've ever set the day of week through Linux or the BIOS setup screen it will be random. -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Voice: +44 21 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 21 627 2171 (work) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | Fax: +44 21 627 2175 (work) # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | Snail: 197 Harborne Lane, B29 6SS, UK ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | ICBM: 52.5N 1.9W ------------------------------ From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) Subject: Re: A Proposed Approach to a Linux WYSIWYG Word Processor Reply-To: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 16:06:37 GMT >>> On Wed, 11 Aug 1993 22:07:58 GMT, bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon >>> S. Allbery) said: Brandon> In article Brandon> summers@riemann.calspan.com (Michael S. Summers) writes: Michael> I would like to address this article only to those who are Michael> interested in producing a WYSIWYG word processor for Linux. I Michael> will assume that such a project is at least an interesting Michael> thing to contemplate. [ ... ] Michael> In the proposed approach we do not address (yet) the Michael> question of storing documents in some sort of Tex format Michael> or in SMGL format file. Instead we do not store the document Michael> in a file at all but in an OODB. Brandon> Rather than reinventing the wheel, consider joining the WORD Brandon> channel of the Linux-Activists mailing list. Since we're Brandon> considering implementation issues now, it's a good time to Brandon> discuss such things. Well, well, perhaps a way to make *both* happy exists: the Interviews editor is a full WYSISWYG word processor, *and* is is object oriented (it is entirely written as a set of C++ classes, and text/graphics is represented as a graph of objects). The interviews doc and draw tools are here now, they work rather well, and an interviews binary is available for Linux already... ------------------------------ From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) Subject: Re: A Word Processor for Linux Reply-To: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 16:11:48 GMT >>> On 10 Aug 1993 04:56:32 GMT, guru@camelot.bradley.edu (Jerry Whelan) said: Jerry> [ ... ] I think that if anyone is decides to do something about Jerry> working towards the `ultimate doco system' they ought to look at Jerry> using something like SGML as its core. Already done! There is a thingie called GRIF which is mentioned in the comp.text FAQ: The best trade-off would be a WYSIWYG system with a well-documented, | usable markup language. There is a system called "GRIF" which | supposedly supports SGML and WYSIWYG which is possibly available. I have no further details on GRIF, unfortunately. ------------------------------ From: jkim@panix.com (Joachim Kim) Subject: intel smc cards Date: 13 Aug 1993 12:33:47 -0400 Are intel 16, 16C and or smc ultra cards supported under Linux? If the newer 16C and ultra cards are supported, are the enhanced (i.e. parallel tasking) features supported or are they supported under the older feature set? Thanks for the info. ------------------------------ From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) Subject: Re: ttys0/ttys2 IRQ conflict (?) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 16:08:33 GMT In article <13AUG199307133563@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov> odonnell@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (J. M. O'Donnell) writes: >In article , winfrdw@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (Rob de Winter) writes... >>I've encountered a problem in Linux I though it was beyond... the 'good old' >>shared IRQ conflict for serial lines. When I set up two getty's for ttys0 >>and ttys2, neither of them works... Or very very slow, with response times >>going to 25 seconds... or characters are eaten. > >This is a problem at the hardware level. Two devices giving the same signal - >how can the software know which one is requesting? That's not the problem. If it were, the solution would be trivial: poll all the devices using the IRQ and service the ones that respond "yes, I did it". Certainly 8250-compatible serial ports support this. The problem is the braindamaged ISA bus. While one card is pulling the interrupt line down to signal an interrupt, any other cards on the same IRQ are pulling it *up*... resulting in a current loop between the interrupting card and the others and generally not producing enough of a voltage drop on the bus for the interrupt to be seen by the 8259. ++Brandon -- Brandon S. Allbery kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh) Subject: Re: oops, I broke the link for /lib/libc.so.4 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 16:03:56 GMT In article <24eqrm$jkv@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> tange@daimi.aau.dk (Ole Tange) writes: >But what is the correct way to install that libc? cd /lib ln -sf /lib/libc.so.4.x.x libc.so.4 (where x.x is the version that you are installing). Warner Please note followup. -- Warner Losh imp@boulder.parcplace.COM ParcPlace Boulder I've almost finished my brute force solution to subtlety. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Activists-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux) via: Internet: Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de pub/msdos/replace The current version of Linux is 0.99pl9 released on April 23, 1993 End of Linux-Activists Digest ******************************