From: Digestifier To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Thu, 12 Aug 93 18:13:13 EDT Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #101 Linux-Activists Digest #101, Volume #6 Thu, 12 Aug 93 18:13:13 EDT Contents: Re: emacs 19.18 patches for Linux wanted (Thomas Dunbar) 3com 3c509 EIII cards (Robert G. Brook) Re: Which SCSI controller to get for Linux and OS/2 (fred j mccall 575-3539) Anyone in MichNet/Merit? (Joshua P. Weage) Re: A Word Processor for Linux (Gary Keim) Re: Misc. problems with latest SLS (Dale Gass) Re: Slackware 1.01 install halts on first disk (Warner Losh) Re: INFO NEEDED ABOUT LINUX ON LAPTOP (and Compudyne Subnote mini-review) (Mark Eichin) Re: looking for MIT scheme (Ed H. Chi) Re: Re: SLS 1.03 and XS3 (Help!!) (Larry Doolittle) Re: Prob. Compiling Dosemu 0.49 (Paul J. Brewer) Re: Ctrl-Alt-Del with SLS 1.03 (Frank Lofaro) Can Novell server backup to Linux tape? (Patrick K. Ferrick) ZMODEM hiccups starting at pl10 (Kevin Sanders) Re: net-2 eth0 receiver overrun (can't find thread) (Frank Lofaro) Re: Why would I want LINUX? (Rajat Datta) Re: MITSUMI CD-ROM LU005S march version : patch for linux driver. (Jon Tombs) Re: INFO NEEDED ABOUT LINUX ON LAPTOP (Raymond Chen) Reading and writing Mac floppy disks on non-mac hardware (Mike Park) SCSI device not found (Wolfgang Brner) Re: e2fsck problems (Larry Mulcahy) Need help... (Brian Thedell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tdunbar@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Thomas Dunbar) Subject: Re: emacs 19.18 patches for Linux wanted Date: 12 Aug 1993 19:31:03 GMT >Does anybody have patches to het Emacs 19.18 compiling. This version >fixes a lot of the bugs, but does not compile out of the BOX. I tried >the suggestions somebody posted yesterday, but they were not enough. >To be more precise: > > fixes mentioned on news: > > . include in buffer.c > . define HAVE_FREXP in floatsfns.c > . undef CTOR_LIST in emacs.c i posted those fixes..but you've changed one!! i said to include "usr/src/linux/include/linux/limits.h" not look at the source (buffer.c and the limits.h files). those patches ARE enough, for my setup at anyrate (gcc 2.4.5, libc 4.4.1, kernel .99.12) ------------------------------ From: rgb1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Robert G. Brook) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: 3com 3c509 EIII cards Date: 12 Aug 93 19:56:45 GMT anyone managed to get linux running with one of these cards? also, recommendations on how to setup X with an ATI Ultra + 2meg? Thanks, Glenn Brook ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: Which SCSI controller to get for Linux and OS/2 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 19:07:16 GMT In <1993Aug10.033024.16550@colorado.edu> lessem@ibg.colorado.edu (LESSEM JEFFREY M) writes: >I am wondering which ISA SCSI controller I should get to use with OS/2 and >Linux. I have read the faqs and am leaning towards the Adaptec 1542/1540 >setup as it seems to be widely accepted and generally compatable. I also know >this card has been around a while and I am wondering if something better >has come along. I am looking to spend about $100-$200, thought I would be >willing to spend more if there were obvious gains. >Here is a list of the cards that both OS/2 and Linux support (according to >the OS/2 2.1 manual and the Linux FAQ). I would appreciate any comments >about personal experiences with these adapters. >Adaptec 154x I've got a machine with an AHA1542C. I've only run DOS/Windows on it, but the controller has been a dream. >Adaptec 174x (doesn't matter, I have an ISA bus) I've also got a machine with one of these. Runs OS/2 just fine in Enhanced Mode (so presumably also in 154x emulation mode, which is 'easier') -- "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ============================================================================== Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. ------------------------------ From: ai900@yfn.ysu.edu (Joshua P. Weage) Subject: Anyone in MichNet/Merit? Date: 12 Aug 1993 19:41:42 GMT I am looking to setup net-2 or possibly some program with PPP for use with dialin Merit access. Does anyone have any experience with this?? (Anyone at Umich Reading this?) I would appreciate the help Thanks. -- ## ------------------------------ From: Gary Keim Subject: Re: A Word Processor for Linux Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 15:59:15 -0400 Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux: 6-Aug-93 Re: A Word Processor for Linux Stephen R. Savitzky@crc. (871) > For that matter, has anybody ported Andrew? Not that I know of, but I'm working with someone to port it to 386BSD and it mostly works at this point. I wonder if those binaries would work under Linux? ... uh, probably not due to different system call numbers or some other OS difference. Anybody care to try? -Gary Keim Andrew Consortium ------------------------------ From: dale@mkseast.uucp (Dale Gass) Subject: Re: Misc. problems with latest SLS Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 16:36:35 GMT Here's a summary of the solutions to my various problems; hopefully, they will be of use to others. I wrote: = 1) The second time that the last client closes on the X server, it dies = unceremoniously. (Running with xdm, the second time I exit to get back = to the login prompt, the system appears to hang. I traced it to the X = server dying on a SIGHUP, and xdm exiting because of it; X dies without = resetting the video mode, keyboard, etc., so it appears as a hang.) bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes: >Known problem under Linux... no fix as yet. > >However, I recently discovered that the same thing happens under SunOS or >Solaris if you run xdm on the console. Hard to call this one.... =============== = 2) xdm doesn't run the setup, startup, or reset scripts. I've disabled = server grabbing and that didn't help. I grabbed the xdm sources, rebuilt = it, and that seems to work. Something must be weird in that particular = build. Also, the xdm that comes with the latest SLS doesn't appear to use shadow passwords, as does the /etc/login... = 3) Ctrl-Alt-Del doesn't appear to work for me. It seems to be enabled in = the kernel. After a bit of peeking around last night, I noticed a "ctrlaltdel" string in /etc/init. By changing the "pf::powerfail:..." to "pf::ctrlaltdel:..." things now work nicely (also, I prefer an /etc/reboot to an /etc/shutdown as well). = 4) I can't seem to shut down the system without the next boot telling me = that the file system isn't clean. Shouldn't reboot sync the disks and = mark them as clean? bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes: > It syncs them, but doesn't unmount them with SLS's current shutdown command. > (The newer one is still in alpha test, I think, although that's never stopped > Peter before....) Older kernels wouldn't let you unmount the root partition > during shutdown. = 5) On occasion, after mounting a DOS floppy or hard disk, attempts to = unmount it will report that the device is busy. (No processes are = using it, nobody has the mount point as their current dir, etc., etc.. = I wonder if the kernel is keeping some reference to it that's screwing = things up.) No solutions for this one, yet... I'll try to narrow down the situation which causes it. = 6) I created a 24M swap partition, and when I use swapon, it reports that = it's using 16M of it (I have 16M RAM). Can't the swap space be larger than = the RAM? bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes: > Linux can only handle 16MB per individual swap device/file. Split it into > two partitions and swapon both. I don't think Linux is planning to change > this any time soon. Kirk Hays writes: > Each swap partition is limited to 16Mb apiece - you may have up to 16 swap > partitions, for a total swap space of 256Mb. = Questions: = 1) Is there any way to flip in an out of the X server, to get back = to the virtual terminals? CTRL-ALT-Fn will get me out, but I = can't seem to get back. I didn't realize (well, I read it, but it didn't sink in) that X would allocate the next *unused* virtual terminal, so ALT-F7 got me back in. For some reason, I was expecting that X took over the current virtual terminal. =2) I've read that the swap space is used for paging, not traditional = swapping. Does this mean that only individual pages are written = out as required? Am I correct in assuming that text segments = aren't written out, just data (since text pages can be re-read = from the executable)? (I've run many large X clients, = and haven't seen swap space used, even though the memory is = exhausted.) bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes: >This is correct. Kirk Hays writes: > Text is, as you suspected, paged from the executables. =3) It would be nice to mount System-V file systems. Anybody working = on that? bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes: > On sunsite, somewhere under /pub/Linux/ALPHA, there was a S51K driver. I > think it was only tested on floppies, though. > >***WARNING*** S51K != Xenix != AFS != EAFS, which means that you can not mount >Xenix or SCO Unix file systems. I don't think there is a Xenix filesystem >driver, but you can check the ALPHA directory while you're at it. -dale -- Dale Gass, Mortice Kern Systems, Atlantic Canada Branch Business: dale@east.mks.com, Pleasure: dale@mkseast.uucp ------------------------------ From: imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh) Subject: Re: Slackware 1.01 install halts on first disk Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 18:03:48 GMT In article pasi@forum.nullnet.fi (Pasi Eronen) writes: >I just ftp'd the Slackware 1.01 distribution, rawrote the first >disk, and started to install it. The kernel uncompressed fine, >but after the message "lp_init: lp1 exists (0), using polling >driver" the floppy light just stays on but nothing happens. I've seen exactly the same thing with the Slackware release. I go it from ftp.cdrom.com. The a1.3 boot disk for SLS seems to work ok for me (but there is a new one that I haven't tried). Just another datapoint... Warner -- Warner Losh imp@boulder.parcplace.COM ParcPlace Boulder I've almost finished my brute force solution to subtlety. ------------------------------ From: eichin@tweedledumber.cyGNUs.com (Mark Eichin) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.laptops Subject: Re: INFO NEEDED ABOUT LINUX ON LAPTOP (and Compudyne Subnote mini-review) Date: 12 Aug 93 15:58:20 Thanks for the address, I've called them (all they can tell me so far is that it uses a "Databook" chip, they're trying to find out more, but have promised to fax me anything they find out. We'll see. The online manual does say that the controller is at ports 240-24F, which means it is *not* the Intel controller...) Anyone ever heard of Databook? >> What PCMCIA cards does the machine support? I've run into problems All it says is that it supports PCMCIA Type II cards, and it comes with DOS drivers for flash ram cards and suggests you get drivers from the vendors for others. (The "enabler" for the ethernet card I have access to doesn't have support for this one, though it does for several others.) _Mark_ MIT Student Information Processing Board Cygnus Support ps. The other 4M ram and extra battery arrived today (CompUSA is, well, "disorganized" about shipping things, though to their credit they don't seem to charge for what they haven't shipped.) 8M means I can run many more things without swapping... took the kernel build from 1:18 down to 0:28 (I'd think it should be faster, but it may be CPU bound.) ------------------------------ From: ehhchi@staff.tc.umn.edu (Ed H. Chi) Subject: Re: looking for MIT scheme Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 20:37:20 GMT In article bmiller@micro.cs.umn.edu (Brad Miller) writes: >I would like to get MIT scheme working on my Linux machine. So far I >have tried to ftp the version from artemide.dei.unipd.it, but I have >been unable to connect. If anyone else has a version they could make >available I would appreciate it very much. (even if it is just the >patches so I can compile it myself) > >Thanks > >\Brad > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Brad Miller | e-mail: bmiller@cs.umn.edu >University of Minnesota | phone: (612) 626-8396 >Department of Computer Science | office: 5-244 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- READ comp.lang.scheme for more information. MIT scheme's official distribution site is altdorf.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.246] -- o/ \ / \ / / \o email: ehhchi@staff.tc.umn.edu /# ##o # o## #\ / \ / \ /o\ / |\ / \ ------------------------------ From: doolitt@cebaf4.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle) Subject: Re: Re: SLS 1.03 and XS3 (Help!!) Reply-To: doolittle@cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 19:32:23 GMT In article <1993Aug12.103425.21470@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>, geyer@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Helmut Geyer) writes: > Alex Poon (axp@uniplex.co.uk) wrote: > :>Although X is running now I am getting lots of redrawing problems with > :>the XS3 server. Running twm the WM popup menu doesn't redraw unless you move ... blah blah blah > Your problems will probably be solved if you add vendor "nolinear" > to your vga256 setup in Xconfig. This will slow your graphic board, but > teh server should be working. Depends on what you are doing: most operations (the ones that are working for Alex now) are not affected. For example, text scrolling speed in xterm is unaffected, and very fast! Sure, things will probably slow way down if you are loading big .GIF files, but that is not what I have my machine for. Text drawing, on-screen bit-blt, line drawing, and area fill are all quite nice on these S3 86C805 cards. - Larry Doolittle doolittle@cebaf.gov ------------------------------ From: pjb@cco.caltech.edu (Paul J. Brewer) Subject: Re: Prob. Compiling Dosemu 0.49 Date: 12 Aug 1993 20:20:27 GMT I had the same problem. I read on the net, about a week ago, that libipc is no longer necessary, its included into one of the default libs somewhere. So go to the makefile and comment out all the -lipc. Paul pjb@cco.caltech.edu (p.s. it worked for me after i did this.) ------------------------------ From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) Subject: Re: Ctrl-Alt-Del with SLS 1.03 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 93 20:23:03 GMT Use the numeric keyboard delete for ctrl-alt-del. Anyone know when ctrl-alt-del is scheduled to be fixed to work with either delete in the new releases? This bug is part of the reason I am staying at 0.99pl9 (please no flames about being so far behind on upgrades, but going past 0.99pl9 isn't trivial from what I gathered, in addition to having to worry about this.) This isn't a flame against Linux, by any means, but it is a concern (especially since it is an old feature that "broke"). I am setting follow-ups to comp.os.linux.misc, since it is both a user-help response, and some food for thought to those in .development. Is that where it should go? (I've read not to post to multiple groups.) ------------------------------ From: ferrick@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrick K. Ferrick) Subject: Can Novell server backup to Linux tape? Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 20:57:56 GMT Subject about says it all. I'd like to use tar, but I'm not sure how it might work. I know that PCs running Netware can run TCP/IP apps concurrently by sharing a packet driver, but I doubt this would work on a Netware server! Maybe another packet driver sould be loaded via a server DOS session, and then ka9q or some similar package could talk to the linux box. Suggestions? thanks, pat ------------------------------ From: kevin@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Kevin Sanders) Subject: ZMODEM hiccups starting at pl10 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 93 20:04:28 GMT After installing SLS 1.02 (some time ago) and upgrading to pl10 kernel, I noticed that zmodem transfers were generating CRC errors every 10000 bytes +/-. This did not occur with the pl9 kernel. Looking at the send/receive LEDs on the modem, it appears that whenever data is coming into the modem (for zmodem download), no acknowledgements are ever written out. They eventually do get written out, but only after the sender stops sending due to lack of acknowledgments. At this same moment the transfer error pops up on the screen. I am certain that in pl9, acknowledgements were sent in a timely manner to ensure uninterrupted data flow during a download. Has this problem been fixed in later kernel revs, or has anybody else noticed it? -- [] [] [][] [][] Kevin Sanders, KN6FQ NCR Torrey Pines [] [] [] [] [] kevin.sanders@torreypinesca.ncr.com (619) 597-3602 [][] [][] [][] kevin%beacons@cyber.net [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [][] Dump MS-DOS. Prevent Programmer Burnout with Linux. ------------------------------ From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) Subject: Re: net-2 eth0 receiver overrun (can't find thread) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 93 20:41:32 GMT Hmmm, seems like ip_forward has a memory leak. This helps localize the problem a lot! :). (Much better than going through all the TCP/IP code, I once tried to print all of it a while back, and saw it was going to print 182 pages!!! I was able to kill the job, thankfully!). Once the memory leak is fixed, ip_forward should be functional and not hose anything. P.S. It would be nice to have ip forwarding configurable, otherwise any Linux machine with more than one network interface is vulnerable to being used as a router by any net dweeb that wants to use it as one of their gateways. ;) (Some Linux machines might have more than one network interface for reasons other than wanting to be a gateway, such as having access to multiple nets, reliability, etc.) ------------------------------ From: rajat@watson.ibm.com (Rajat Datta) Subject: Re: Why would I want LINUX? Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 20:41:23 GMT In article <55270001@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> rozum@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Stephen Rozum) writes: > > *** Why should I want to use LINUX? ** > ... >I know that LINUX is UNIX operating system for PC's, but unfortunately >it can't run my DOS base programs (i.e., Borland C++ compilier, Amipro, >games, Mktools, etc...). > ... >Stephen Rozum >rozum@hpmtay.hp.lvld.com For those of us who have used Unix for a long time and are used to the Unix way of doing things, Linux is indispensable. As far as the DOS based programs you mention, we have GNU c++, TeX, X-Windows, games (usually more strategic oriented than shoot-em-up oriented--Empire vs. Wing Commander). And the pricing being as it is, what Linux allows me to do is try a truly bewildering variety of tools without any major expenditures of money. When I used DOS at home, I simply could not afford to taste and choose as many tools as I do now. Within the last year I have tried I don't know how many different tools for building windowing applications alone (finally settled with Tcl/Tk). On my list of tools to try over the next few months is a Prolog based database system, several new languages (like Sather), a couple of games that sound like super Civilization, among others. When I switched from DOS to Linux, I probably had more than a thousand dollars worth of DOS tools (like compiler etc.). I was able to replace all of them with (what I feel) are far superior tools at a far more reasonable price. This is not because it's free (I work for the largest software company in the world, and I don't think selling software for money is a bad thing), but since they don't cost $100, $200 a shot or more, I can afford to try many more things at home than I could've otherwise. -- rajat (rajat@watson.ibm.com) ------------------------------ From: jon@robots.ox.ac.uk (Jon Tombs) Subject: Re: MITSUMI CD-ROM LU005S march version : patch for linux driver. Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 20:50:00 GMT In article <19930809.164239.160170.NETNEWS@CC1.KULEUVEN.AC.BE> stud11@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be (Lode Vande Sande) writes: [ lots of patch deleted ] > bin2bcd(&msf.cdmsf_min0); > bin2bcd(&msf.cdmsf_sec0); > bin2bcd(&msf.cdmsf_frame0); > bin2bcd(&msf.cdmsf_min1); > bin2bcd(&msf.cdmsf_sec0); > bin2bcd(&msf.cdmsf_frame0); [ even more deleted ] If you look at the above code you will spot an obvious typo, which makes the playing of CDs difficult! The correct code is below (look closely at the last two lines). I've sent this to the author a long time ago, but as no official patch has shown up, here it is. bin2bcd(&msf.cdmsf_min0); bin2bcd(&msf.cdmsf_sec0); bin2bcd(&msf.cdmsf_frame0); bin2bcd(&msf.cdmsf_min1); bin2bcd(&msf.cdmsf_sec1); bin2bcd(&msf.cdmsf_frame1); Jon. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.sys.laptops From: raymondc@microsoft.com (Raymond Chen) Subject: Re: INFO NEEDED ABOUT LINUX ON LAPTOP Date: 11 Aug 93 16:50:50 GMT Note that Linux is not APM-aware, which means that if some power-management features kicks in (e.g., hard disk spins down due to inactivity) while you're running Linux, your machine is toast. Once upon a time, I had a patch for Linux which spoke just barely enough APM to tell the machine, "Hey you, don't spin down the hard disk, no matter what." Not true APM, but at least it kept my laptop from locking up after 5 minutes of inactivity. -- Raymond Chen (raymondc@microsoft.com) The warnings expressed in this message are my own and in no way reflect the warnings of Microsoft Corporation. ------------------------------ From: mikep@hack.dragoman.com (Mike Park) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Reading and writing Mac floppy disks on non-mac hardware Date: 12 Aug 1993 14:32:18 -0700 Does anyone have crufty (or otherwise) source code to read (and even better write) macintosh disks on non-mac hardware? I'm willing to spend money to obtain this source. On a related question is the floppy format public knowledge? Maybe described in Inside Macintosh? Would it be tough to write a basic set of routines to read their format? Any advice appreciated. Thanks. Mike ------------------------------ From: BOERNER@rklnw1.ngate.uni-regensburg.de (Wolfgang Brner) Subject: SCSI device not found Date: 11 Aug 93 11:42:19 GMT Hi freaks! The following problems have been encountered during installation of 'Linux softland 0.99.pl8-3 04/10/93 i386': - on startup the system says: SCSI: 0 hosts SCSI: detected 0 scsi disks 0 tapes 0 CD-ROM drives total. - after login root 'fdisk' reports "Unable to read /dev/hda" 'fdisk /dev/sda' reports "Unable to open /dev/sda" 'fdisk /dev/sda1' reports "Unable to open /dev/sda1" 'fdisk /dev/sda2' reports "Unable to open /dev/sda2" 'fdisk /dev/sda3' reports "Unable to open /dev/sda3" Machine configuration: - Noname Intel 486/33, 16 MB RAM - 1.44 Floppy A:, 1.2 Floppy B: - ET4000 SVGA + Monochrome-Adaptor - Future Domain TMC 885 SCSI-Adaptor, addess range CA00:0000-CA00-1FFF, IRQ 11, primary address, no ST-506 controller - HD HITACHI DK 516-C 16, 1.3 GB Partition 1: 300 MB, primary DOS, boot Partition 2: 250 MB, extended DOS, 1 logical drive Partition 3: 250 MB, LINUX COHERENT 4.0 has been installed successfully on partition 3 prior to LINUX! Under COHERENT /dev/sd03 served well. Any help appreciated Wolfgang ====================================================================== This message was composed and delivered using 100% recycled electrons. ====================================================================== Wolfgang Boerner | Phone: +49 941 944 5886 Klinik der Universitaet | FAX: +49 941 944 5882 8400 Regensburg | SMTP: boerner@rklnw1.ngate.uni-regensburg.de ------------------------------ From: lmulcah@lookout.mtt.it.uswc.uswest.com (Larry Mulcahy) Subject: Re: e2fsck problems Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 18:27:33 GMT Brian McCauley (mccauleyba@vms1.bham.ac.uk) wrote: : > Overcome by nausea on 30 Jul 93 15:03:23 GMT, sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve : > Sheldon) retched up these words: : >> There must be an updated e2fsck, cause this one isn't working right. : > It looks to me like e2fsck never marks the file system as clean. For : > example, yesterday I umounted my /usr partition, ran e2fsck on it and : > then mounted it, and still got the message that it was dirty. : I belive it only marks a fs as clean if you ask it to repair it. The : check only operation does not require write access to the partition : so cannot clear the dirty flag. I don't think this is elegant but : I think it is the current state of affairs. Recently I downloaded e2fsprogs(?). The e2fsck in this package seems to be slighly more up to date than the one I was using from SLS 1.02. With this I could at least do a umount /usr e2fsck -rv /dev/sda4 mount -a and it would not say the file system was dirty. However after a shutdown or reboot the message that my ext2 file systems are dirty still appears when it gets to the mount -a in /etc/rc. -- Yog Sothoth Neblod Zin, Larry Mulcahy That cult would never die till the lmulcah@lookout.mtt.it.uswc.uswest.com stars came right again, and the lmulcahy@nyx.cs.du.edu secret priests would take Great Cthulhu from his tomb to revive his subjects and resume his rule of Earth. The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones, free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and reveling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the Earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom. (The Call of Cthulhu, H. P. Lovecraft) ------------------------------ From: malo@crash.cts.com (Brian Thedell) Subject: Need help... Date: 12 Aug 93 13:55:10 PDT I've heard some things about linux, and I'm interested in more info. I have an IBM pc, 486/33Mhz... I would like to see if I could set linux up on my machine... Are there any FTP sites that have info/parts of the OS? What is involved? I really don't know much about linux, or the UNIX world in general, but I am quite interested in it. Please E-Mail me for a response. Thank you. Sincerely, Brian Thedell malo@crash.cts.com ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Activists-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux) via: Internet: Linux-Activists@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de pub/msdos/replace The current version of Linux is 0.99pl9 released on April 23, 1993 End of Linux-Activists Digest ******************************