Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #628
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Date:     Thu, 18 Aug 94 19:13:11 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #628, Volume #2                Thu, 18 Aug 94 19:13:11 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Wallpaper under X in Linux (John R. Campbell)
  Re: Will IDE drives co-exist with MFM drives under Linux? (John R. Campbell)
  ObjectCenter. What is it ?  (Guido Sohne)
  Sun style keyboards for a PC? (Eric Schenk)
  Linux/Mac (Carlacio)
  PC supplier info (Elan Feingold)
  Houston TX Linux/FreeBSD Users (Stephen E. Farlow)
  WILMA  (Sridhar Kodela)
  Re: Anyone useing tkmail with linux ? (Beverly J. Brown)
  Re: Anyone know about DPT alpha driver? (Michael Neuffer)
  WANTED: XXGDB: old version (Richard Kilgore)
  Re: Sun style keyboards for a PC? (Jim Goddard)
  How to put Linux box on Internet (George Buklow)
  Motif Alternative? ("Jae W. Chang")

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From: soup@penrij.UUCP (John R. Campbell)
Subject: Re: Wallpaper under X in Linux
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 00:59:19 GMT

rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen) writes:

>In <32f4rr$e4j@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au> mai@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au (Van Dao Mai) writes:

>>   I also write a small shell script package that allows XV to be fired up
>>in background at intervals to load new images to the root X window. It
>>features
>>   - 60 most popular colour selections for the background colour at
>>     the finger tip
>>   - Time setting for distance between the displaying of images.
>>   - Global settings of the above values versus local settings per user.

>>I suppose the whole slide show can be done by XV itself with limitation
>>and the cost of holding XV all the time in memory. 

>If you want to load images on the root window (background) you may want
>to check the "xloadimage" program as well.  It usually runs a bit quicker
>than "xv".
>To have some really interesting backgrounds, try things like "xfishtank",
>"xsnow", etc...

All of these are worthy ideas, but (for a long time) I liked running
xearth.  Trouble is, I can't figure out how to make the shading from
day to night any sharper than it is...
...though I'll figure it out someday.  The other feature I'd like is
to set it up to make North Korea (and that island in the arctic where
the Former Soviet Union dumped their nuclear waste) glow in the dark...

-- 
 John R. Campbell                                              soup@penrij.UUCP
 Speaker to Machines                                           Resident Heckler
           Guns don't kill people.  GNUs, however, are Not Unix.
        When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.

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From: soup@penrij.UUCP (John R. Campbell)
Subject: Re: Will IDE drives co-exist with MFM drives under Linux?
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 01:03:19 GMT

slg@slgsun.cb.att.com (Sean Gilley) writes:

>I've got a chance to buy about 600M of ESDI Drives plus controller,
>that I am told look like MFM drives to the computer.  I've already
>got an IDE controller and two drives that I don't want to give up.

>Will they co-exist and will Linux support them both at the same
>time?

No.  You may, however, have the option of setting *one* of the
controllers at the "secondary" address (as you would with *two*
IDE controllers).  If I recall aright, you may lose the interrupt.

Question:  Is the ESDI controller configured through CMOS, or do
you tell the computer no drives are present?  If the second, write
it off, since it's rigged for DOS.  If this controller/drive combo
are supported by *any* UNIX, chances are it is a proper WD-1007-type
controller, and all will be well.
-- 
 John R. Campbell                                              soup@penrij.UUCP
 Speaker to Machines                                           Resident Heckler
           Guns don't kill people.  GNUs, however, are Not Unix.
        When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: wgsohne@tucson.Princeton.EDU (Guido Sohne)
Subject: ObjectCenter. What is it ? 
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 04:59:43 GMT

In article <32t7vo$879@wcap.centerline.com>,
Jim Frost <jimf@centerline.com> wrote:
>wgsohne@stone.princeton.edu (Guido Sohne) writes:
>
>>Is there an ObjectCenter for Linux ? Does it
>>support other languages than C/C++ ? How much is it ?
>
>There is not.  It's not likely there ever will be because it's too
>hard to support a noncommercial OS, particularly one where each site
>might have made changes.  Maintenance would be a nightmare.  Right now
>we target SunOS 4, Solaris 2, HP/UX, and AIX.
>

A mistake I think. There is already a reference kernel for development of
packages that have a much longer development cycle than the kernel itself.
The kernel is POSIX and there's a lot of BSDish and SVR4ish in it. The
kernel code is being readied for stabilization into a second reference
kernel. These are intended to provide a fixed target for development and to
allow vendors like yourselves to develop with peace of mind.

Each kernel is less than 500k in compressed form. Its very easy to have
multiple vmunices for the event (unlikely) that some package has to be tied
to a particular kernel. If there are problems with a particular kernel, you
can be sure it will be fixed quickly as the developers of Linux take pride
in their product.

>ObjectCenter (and CodeCenter, which is C-specific) are pretty heavily
>biased towards C and C++, with little support for other languages.
>You can link in object modules compiled with other languages, but
>cannot debug them.  This is a limitation for some developers but not
>as many as you might think.
>

Most people code in C/C++. Maybe not the best but its the real world. 

>I believe ObjectCenter is priced at roughly $4000 per floating
>license, and CodeCenter at $3000.  Fixed-user licenses are a bit
>cheaper, but I can't remember how much.  There are a number of
>different volume discounting plans.
>

Expensive. With Pentiums rivalling workstation performance and being widely
available at rapidly decreasing costs, I think your company would make a
good move in offering a lower cost version of your product, say 'Personal
ObjectCenter' aimed at professional programmer who might like to be able to
code from home when the get that brilliant idea at midnight.

The money is in volume and the future is in marketshare. The workstations
as we have tradionally known them are a dying breed. They can't compete
with Pentiums on price alone and with increased power from the Intel type
CPUs the Intel juggernaut rolls on.  

>I'm sorry if this sounds like a shameless product plug, but you asked.
>I have deliberately avoided listing many of the features of
>ObjectCenter that make it such a compelling environment, focusing on
>differences between the visual support of basic debugging functions in
>contrast with VC++.  ObjectCenter actually provides considerably more
>functionality than traditional debuggers, which is part of its appeal.

Unfortunate you didnt post the feature set. I'm sure many people would be
interested in knowing what a *good* development environment is capable of.
I for one am very interested in knowing exactly what makes Objectcenter
worth the $3000-$4000 people pay for it.

>Happy hacking,
>
>jim frost
>jimf@centerline.com

--
Guido

-- 
--
Guido Sohne                           EMail : wgsohne@phoenix.princeton.edu
Happy Linux user and soon to be lover/hater/basher of the OS/2 Warp II beta
Ethernet and TCP/IP for all ! Don't settle for SLIPing into the Internet !!

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone
From: schenk@cs.toronto.edu (Eric Schenk)
Subject: Sun style keyboards for a PC?
Date: 18 Aug 94 17:32:55 GMT

I've just gotten a new 486/DX266 up and running Linux, and everything is fine,
except that I find the standard el-cheapo keyboard is annoying me.
Now, I know I can find a better quality keyboard in the standard AT-101
or 102 layout, but what I would really like is a keyboard more along the
lines of a Sun Type 4 or Type 5 keyboard. For those of you who are not
sure what I'm talking about, here's what I'd like to find:

        - The control key in the correct place, next to the A key.
        - Backslash somewhere a little better than down next to
          the space bar. I type a lot of TeX and I'd prefer it to be
          up on the end of the top row or something.
        - The QWERTY layout centered between two side keypads,
          one numeric, the other extra function keys.
          This puts the main part of the keyboard in the physical
          center of the keyboard box, which I find much nicer
          for prolonged typing.
        - Set of function keys above the QUERTY layout.

So, does anyone know if such a keyboard can be obtained for a PC?

Thanks for any information you can provide.

-- eric

===========================================================================
Eric Schenk                                           schenk@cs.toronto.edu
Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto

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From: cdv@dxcern.cern.ch (Carlacio)
Subject: Linux/Mac
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 16:59:24 GMT

Hello,

I would like to have some news from people working or interested on a 
port of the Linux 68K on the macintosh.

Thanks.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Carlo De Vecchi
  Bld. 591 R-011
  CERN (European Organization for Nuclear Research)
  CH-1211 Geneve 23
  Switzerland
e-mail:
  cdv@sundedalo.cern.ch
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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From: feingold@avette.zko.dec.com (Elan Feingold)
Subject: PC supplier info
Date: 18 Aug 1994 14:49:47 GMT
Reply-To: feingold@avette.zko.dec.com (Elan Feingold)


Has anyone ordered from Roland Baker III <baker@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>?
His prices are low but cash up front makes me nervous :)

Thanks, 

Elan

--
===============================================================================
|| Elan Feingold (Cornell '94)    || "Two of the most famous products of     ||
|| Software Engineer II           ||  Berkeley are LSD and Unix. I don't     ||
|| Digital Equipment Corporation  ||  think that is a coincidence."          ||
|| Work: 603.881.1115             ||                       - Anonymous       ||
===============================================================================

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From: sefarlow@crl.com (Stephen E. Farlow)
Subject: Houston TX Linux/FreeBSD Users
Date: 18 Aug 1994 07:52:35 -0700

Are there any users in Houston Texas using Linux or Free BSD?
Is there any kind of user's group?

Please reply to me my email at sefarlow@crl.com.
-- 
***********************************************************
email : sefarlow@crl.com
Stephen E. Farlow           Amateur Radio Call:  KJ5YN
Houston, TX.

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From: kodela@netcom.com (Sridhar Kodela)
Subject: WILMA 
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 19:41:58 GMT

Hi gang,
        Does anybody got WILMA to compile on the Linux.  There is a mmak file
which is supposed to generate a local make file. But whenever i try to run him
he says cant find file Makefile.mak.

        The documentation is in German.  I knowledge in that language is a big
zero. If anybody got it to compile can you please send me the details. If you 
feel i am doing something stupid here please let me know. 

        For those who are curious about what WILMA is,
WILMA is a network management system from 
        "LEHRSTUHL FUR DATENVERARBEITUNG
        FAKULTAT FUR ELEKTROTECHNIK UND INFORMATIONSTECHNIK
        TECHNISCHE UNIVERSITAT MUNCHEN"

        
        Hope i spelled every thing right. It is supposed to be compilable on 
Linux. If only i know how to use that mmak.

you can anon. ftp it from 
        ftp.ldv.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (129.187.105.32)
        directory: /dist/WILMA

thank you,
cheers
sridhar
kodela@netcom.com



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From: bjb@shore.net (Beverly J. Brown)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone useing tkmail with linux ?
Date: 18 Aug 1994 15:34:28 -0400
Reply-To: bjb@shore.net

In article <32s1ce$s03@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,
iotov@cco.caltech.edu (Mihail S. Iotov) wrote:
> I've come into the following problem, trying to install tkmail. It fails its

Where can I find tkmail? Does it come with slackware? Where can I ftp it 
from?


Beverly J. Brown
bjb@shore.net
beverly@datacube.com

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From: neuffer@klopfer.zdv.uni-mainz.de (Michael Neuffer)
Subject: Re: Anyone know about DPT alpha driver?
Date: 18 Aug 1994 17:30:13 GMT

root (root@myhost.subdomain.domain) wrote:
:I was wondering where to find more info about the scsi DPT alpha drivers
:in the sunsite ALPHA directory. I did all the editing required. But when
:I tried to compile the kernel w/ DPT support it reports errors in the dpt.c
:file. Anyone got these drivers to compile and work? Oh, i'm running gcc 2.5.8
:trying to compile kernel ver. 1.1.43. Any help would be appreciated.

Try eata02c.tgz from sunsite and tsx-11: Linux/ALPHA/scsi/
It should work for you without problems.

PS: You definitely should reconfigure your system. Not even your 
    mailaddress is correct. steveast isn't known in unicomp.net.
        
        root@steveast.unicomp.net

--
Maus-/UseNet:Michael_Neuffer@wi2.maus.de
Usenet      :neuffer@goofy.zdv.uni-mainz.de
Fido        :Michael Neuffer@2:245/5530.5


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From: rkilgore@pegasus.ece.utexas.edu (Richard Kilgore)
Subject: WANTED: XXGDB: old version
Date: 18 Aug 1994 20:16:29 GMT


Hi all,

   I recently upgraded to a more recent version of Slackware and was
dismayed to discover that the latest version of xxgdb (1.08) has been
split up into multiple windows.  This is pretty cool for most, but I'm
doing some multiprocessing stuff (hard to imagine on a 386, eh?) and I
often have multiple xxgdb sessions open at once.  Trying to keep track
of which sets of windows go together with this new version is a tremendous
pain in the ass.

   Does anyone have an older LINUX version of xxgdb that they could upload
to an 'incoming' directory somewhere?  I believe the last version I had
was 1.06?  Any version with only one window is fine.


                        Thanx,

                        - rick


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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone
From: jgoddard@batman (Jim Goddard)
Subject: Re: Sun style keyboards for a PC?
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 20:30:59 GMT

Eric Schenk (schenk@cs.toronto.edu) wrote:
: I've just gotten a new 486/DX266 up and running Linux, and everything is fine,
: except that I find the standard el-cheapo keyboard is annoying me.
: Now, I know I can find a better quality keyboard in the standard AT-101
: or 102 layout, but what I would really like is a keyboard more along the
: lines of a Sun Type 4 or Type 5 keyboard. For those of you who are not
: sure what I'm talking about, here's what I'd like to find:

Well it's not exactly what you are looking for but Gateway 2000 has a keyboard
that comes fairly close:

:       - The control key in the correct place, next to the A key.

The control key and caps lock keys are exactly opposite from the Sun, but
the keys can be remapped (in hardware) on this keyboard so you can easily
swap the Control and Caps Lock keys.

:       - Backslash somewhere a little better than down next to
:         the space bar. I type a lot of TeX and I'd prefer it to be
:         up on the end of the top row or something.

Backslash is both between equal and backpase and down near the space bar.

:       - The QWERTY layout centered between two side keypads,
:         one numeric, the other extra function keys.
:         This puts the main part of the keyboard in the physical
:         center of the keyboard box, which I find much nicer
:         for prolonged typing.

This is a little dirfferent here is the layout:

FF QWERTYUIOP[] KKK KKKK

This first keypad is arrows and page/up type stuff only and the second is
numeric.

:       - Set of function keys above the QUERTY layout.

Got it.

: So, does anyone know if such a keyboard can be obtained for a PC?

Not exactly what your after but better then nothing.

: Thanks for any information you can provide.

: -- eric

: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
: Eric Schenk                                           schenk@cs.toronto.edu
: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: caller@eskimo.com (George Buklow)
Subject: How to put Linux box on Internet
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 18:19:36 GMT

Another one of those hooked on Linux
 
After many anonymous ftp-gets and then slow sz downloads, I have the 
Slack-Linux running, all 150 Mb of it and growing (thanks to SUNSITE). 
It was an incredible task for a first time Linuxer. I started from scratch on 
all levels with not much of *nix background, networking knowledge or an idea 
of what I was getting in to. It only shows one's desperation to get away from 
Dumb Operating System (also known as DOS). I could not handle any more of 
those better and improved upgrades. I got tired of supporting Bill's software 
empire. It looks as even the big "M" is running out of good ideas, which were 
not allways there's to begin with. The only way they know how to make profit 
these days is to strike the suckers with an upgrade or buy someone out 
and stick their own lo go on it. 
 
Let's get back to the real thing now. I am very interested in networking 
especially putting my Linux box on the Internet (if that's all possible). 
I am trying to swallow all the stuff about direct hookups, T1, CSU/DSU, 
routers, Ethernets and rest of the magic kingdom of high speed digital 
communications. 
It all sounds complicated and very expensive. I have to admit that WAN is not 
what they taught me in "Introduction to UNIX" class.
 
I have most of the TCP/IP behaving well (as far as I can tell) in loopback 
mode talking to localhost. Even the Smail is working as it should according 
to all that I've read. Additionally all the mail clients including Andrew's 
messages, Pine, Elm and Mail are working. Same applies to ftp and telnet 
under localhost. I am able to somewhat handle majority of the Makefiles, 
shell scripts and configuration files, so all the sources that I've dealt 
with so far inluding latest kernel, ebbs and many X apps), made it OK.
    
I would appreciate all and any suggestions or a good source of information 
about setting a network box from Linux operators who have their systems on 
the Internet.      
 
-caller@eskimo.com-
 


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From: "Jae W. Chang" <jae+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Motif Alternative?
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 11:15:41 -0400


What's a good free alternative to the Motif Widget libs for doing
interface coding? A compatible API is not necessary, either.

I've found that for most of the src's requiring the motif libs, I've
been able to find compiled binaries for them - like Mosaic. However,
for the programs that I need to write w/ a nice user interface, I'd
like to use some widget library like Motif w/ Xt instead of doing all
the X crud myself.

Thanks for any info.

Jae

==========================
jae+@cmu.edu 

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