Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #627
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Date:     Thu, 18 Aug 94 14:13:14 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #627, Volume #2                Thu, 18 Aug 94 14:13:14 EDT

Contents:
  Linux 486 for sale (Kenneth L. Schwarz)
  Linux BBS Software (Bruce Parks)
  Re: 486DLC from Dee One Systems (Tom Oehser)
  "Linux Inside": Spoof of Intel Inside (Jason White)
  xv and libgr.so.1 (Bill McCarthy)
  XFree86 3.1 status report (Paul Stoffregen)
  Re: Torvalds Wired! (Peter Klein)
  Re: 486DLC from Dee One Systems (Dave Sherohman)
  Re: Suggest:SCSI Tape File System (Oleg Zabluda)
  Re: Novell interfacing experience?  Anyone using samba? (DahlinSmithWhite)
  Help : Linux fdisk does not recognise dpt 2019 ide disk controller (knm@enterprise.itg.ti.com)
  Re: "crypt" or equivalents in Linux (Holger Mueller)
  Re: LINUX FOR MCA/SCSI (Staal WJ)
  Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion) (David Willmore)
  Anyone know about DPT alpha driver? (root)
  Re: TERM + TRN/NN + NNTP.... uhm, how? (Inferno_Operator)

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From: kschwarz@netcom.com (Kenneth L. Schwarz)
Subject: Linux 486 for sale
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 00:57:34 GMT

My Linux box for sale for $2000.

        - 50 Mhz 486 DX2, VLB bus
        - 16Mb RAM
        - > 500Mb hard disk
        - ATI Graphics Ultra Pro Mach32 accelerated video
          (800x600x24, 1280x768x16, 1280x1024x4, plus a zillion other modes)
        - 250Mb tape backup (with some tapes)
        - 9600 baud internal Intel modem card
        - 14" screen, keyboard, mouse

This is quite a fast machine (it compiles and executes faster than my
SUN IPX, but then it isn't bogged down with network stuff) and has an amazingly
fast graphics board.  The entire OS (including source code, man pages, and
all the accessories) takes up about 200 Mb, so the system as is suitable for
doing real development work at home.

Since Linux is free (including source code), it is very interesting to play
with.  Yes, you can hack the kernal.  (But you don't have to if you don't want
to.  The setup programs are quite friendly).  It runs X-Windows, and it's
already configured for the Mach32 video chip.

I put the thing together so that I could do development at home, but these
days I am too busy with other activities to consider it.  I hope that it could
find a better use than sitting idle in my office.

Oh, yes, it also runs Windows!!

Email me if you are interested.

Thanks,

- Ken Schwarz
  kschwarz@netcom.com

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From: ucbruce@nova.umd.edu (Bruce Parks)
Subject: Linux BBS Software
Date: 17 Aug 1994 21:20:09 -0400

Following is a list of the BBS software available at sunsite.unc.edu.  
Has anybody tried any of these packages?  Any observations/recommendations?

Thanks,

Bruce

/pub/Linux/system/BBS (INDEX)
==============================================================================
XBBS-7.210.gz            source code for XBBS
atp142bin.tar.gz         a QWK downloader and news reader
atp142src.tar.gz         source for a QWK downloader and reader
bbs-5.0-src.tar.gz       the No-Name BBS system
ctdl-bin.tgz             bins for the Citadel BBS package
ctdl-src.tgz             source for the Citadel BBS package
ebbs.2.2.tar.gz          Internet BBS based on Pirates BBS
mbox-2.2.tar.gz          bbs package ported to linux
nxm0.05a.tar.Z           Fido EMSI Mailer for Linux
party.taz                Public "party-line", w/ local, multi-user chat
pbbs-1.9.tar.Z           Source for Pirate BBS, a dial-in or net BBS system
pub_acc.taz              amusements for public systems: matchmaking progs, etc.
rocat-0.75.tar.gz        BBS system w/ files,messages,multiple-machine support
unib112a.tar.Z           part 1 of UniBoard BBS bins
unib112c.tar.Z           part 3 of UniBoard BBS bins
unib112l.tar.Z           part 2 of UniBoard BBS bins
uqwk1.4.tar.Z            Allows collection of mail for offline reading
xbbsv1-0.tar.Z           Source for xbbs ported to linux


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From: toehser@cais2.cais.com (Tom Oehser)
Subject: Re: 486DLC from Dee One Systems
Date: 18 Aug 1994 12:00:41 GMT

>>: Does anyone have experience with Linux in the 486DLC/40 motherboards
>>: from Dee One Systems (Computer Shoper p. 789)?  [...]
>>
>> DO NOT BUY IT! BUY FROM ANYWHERE BUT THERE!!!!

Well, I got a 486sx33 motherboard from them a while ago for $165 which at
the time was about the cheapest price for such a thing (cpu included).  I
must say that I do expect when I pick the cheapest that some corners may
be cut... it works fine with Linux.  I will say that the tech guy I talked
to before buying it led me to believe it was socketed, which it is not.  
And that I have had DMA problems trying to get the SB side of a PAS working
that I suspect are motherboard related.  But, overall, I am satisfied with
the purchase, and I suspect that if you pick the 10 cheapest motherboards
with a given spec from Computer Shopper, they will all be running on thin
margins.....ymmv. -=Tom=-


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From: jdwhite@iastate.edu (Jason White)
Subject: "Linux Inside": Spoof of Intel Inside
Date: 18 Aug 1994 12:30:43 GMT

  I have diligently hacked the "famous" Intel Inside logo and have made it
available for anonymous ftp.  Anonymous ftp at my site works a little
differently.  Instead of logging in as "anonymous", you have to login as
"anonymous.jdwhite".  You may anonymous ftp this file from:

vincent.iastate.edu:/pub/graphics/
-rw-r--r--  1 jdwhite      5652 Aug 18 07:26 linux_inside.gif
-rw-r--r--  1 jdwhite      8148 Aug 18 07:26 linux_inside.xbm.gz

Enjoy!
-Jason
-- 
   Jason D. White                        Durham Center Operations Staff
 jdwhite@iastate.edu             Repeater Chairman, Cyclone Amateur Radio Club
Iowa State University
     Ames, Iowa

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From: bmccarth@gulfaero.com (Bill McCarthy)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: xv and libgr.so.1
Date: 17 Aug 1994 21:44:01 -0400

hiya:

I'd like to be able to spawn external viewers with tMosaic. It is looking for
xv, whcih I don't have. I've looked at sunsite, but I'm a bit confused as to 
 which package I need. Also, I believ I need libgr.so.1 - again which I don't
 have. Any pointers? TIA.




Bill McCarthy
bmccarth@gulfaero.com

"Isn't it pretty to think so."
TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT\__Jake Barnes___________________________
LinuX + i486dx2/66 
usual disclaimer 

 
   

 

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From: paul@holmes.ece.orst.edu (Paul Stoffregen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: XFree86 3.1 status report
Date: 18 Aug 1994 01:40:45 GMT

(In case you didn't already know) David E. Wexelblat, a Xfree86[tm]
core team member, posted a status report regarding XFree86 3.1
to comp.windows.x.i386unix.  If you happen to be a XFree user
and don't regularily read comp.windows.x.i386unix, maybe now
might not be such a bad time to take a look, before your NNTP
server expires it.

Despite the temptation, I did not repost it here, net.bandwidth
and all.  If you'd like, I'll e-mail to anyone interested,
but it'd be faster to just read comp.windows.x.i386unix, since
I'll delay reponses somewhat.


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From: klein@zxa.basf-ag.de (Peter Klein)
Subject: Re: Torvalds Wired!
Date: 18 Aug 1994 06:53:22 GMT
Reply-To: klein@zxa.basf-ag.de

In article 22947@ka4ybr.com, mah@ka4ybr.com (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR) writes:
> Has anyone noticed that on page 31 of the Sept. 1994 Wired! 
> magazine, there's a half-page article on Linux, complete 

In "Open Computing" Vol.11, Number 9 of September 1994, there is a 4 page
article comparing BSD/386 and Linux. They tested the Yggdrasil distribution.
Quite interesting. They rank both comparable to other (commercial) PC-Unix
systems.

Pete
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                                                  Peter Klein
                                                  BASF-AG
                                                  D-67056 Ludwigshafen
                                                  Germany
                                          
                                                  peter.klein@zxa.basf-ag.de
============================================================================



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From: esper@a12.math.umn.edu (Dave Sherohman)
Subject: Re: 486DLC from Dee One Systems
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 02:14:16 GMT

In article <32o0m8$am8@linux1.cfic2.com.tw> yuan@cfic2.com.tw (yuan tzeng) writes:
>Alex Ramos (ramos@engr.latech.edu) &p&9;!:
>: Does anyone have experience with Linux in the 486DLC/40 motherboards
>: from Dee One Systems (Computer Shoper p. 789)?  These are obscenely
>: cheap (VLB with CPU for $158!).  Anybody know the BogoMips rating for
>: the processor?
>  I have one, good deal for that price (Mine has 387). BogoMips
>may not make too much sense, anyway just for your reference: 
>11.x

A couple related (but, admittedly, non-Linux) questions I've been wondering
about...

1)  What's the difference between SX/DX and SLC/DLC chips?
2)  If I were to get the above-mentioned 486DLC/40 motherboard/CPU, could I
    later replace the DLC/40 with a DX/40 or would I need to replace the
    entire motherboard?

(Considering the ~$100 price difference between a DX and a DLC, I figure
there's gotta be a tradeoff somewhere...)

-- 
esper@ima.umn.edu

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From: zabluda@math.psu.edu (Oleg Zabluda)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Suggest:SCSI Tape File System
Date: 18 Aug 1994 02:47:11 GMT

Great Idea. I'd really like to see it implemented in such a way
that It can be used with QIC-80 tape drives using existent ftape
driver. I think there are more people owing these kind of drives
then SCSI tape drives.

Oleg.


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From: dswi@xmission.com (DahlinSmithWhite)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Novell interfacing experience?  Anyone using samba?
Date: 17 Aug 1994 20:32:23 -0600

Zaphod Beeblebrox (zaphod@teleport.com) wrote:
: If anyone has any good or bad experiences attempting to network up with
: novell, can you please give me any words of advice?  I have this linux
: package called samba that does interfacing to novell.  Does anyone have
: this installed in their system?

Could you explain how samba allows you to interface with Novell? Is Samba
a Netware requester, or what does it let you do with Novell (access 
Netware volumes, print queues, etc)?

Pete.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: knm@enterprise.itg.ti.com
Subject: Help : Linux fdisk does not recognise dpt 2019 ide disk controller
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 18:04:09 GMT
Reply-To: knm@ief.itg.ti.com


I am trying to install Linux on a PS/2 (OS/2 2.1). I have partitioned the
disk and formatted a 500M partition, intended for Linux. I boot Linux off the
boot disk, throw in the root disk when it asks for it and then log in as
root. Following the instructions in the install doc, I try to create
partitions using fdisk (I have tried fdisk with no args, with hda and hdb as
args), it says it is unable to read /dev/hda. My disk controller is a DPT 2019.

If anyone can help, I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

Kurella Murty
knm@ief.itg.ti.com

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From: holgi@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Holger Mueller)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: "crypt" or equivalents in Linux
Date: 18 Aug 1994 07:27:30 GMT

Harald T. Alvestrand (hta@uninett.no) wrote:

: (If DES was in Linux, the US site maintainers would be criminals
: every time someone fetched a copy from outside the US - even though it
: originated outside the US, and is freely available there! *That*, I call
: dain-bramaged.....)

Yeah, do those us boneheads really think that there is no DES outside USA?
Do they think they can stop distribution of DES with such a weak law? Do
they want to check every floppy disk or tape which leaves the usa by ground
mail for any forbidden code?

Funny, isn't it?

But anyway, is there no DES compatible software which does the same? It
must not even be compatible, if someone needs to protect his passwords, he
could use any algorythm which is complex enough for that purpose.

Which algorythm is used to crypt linux' passwords, by the way?


Just my DM -,20 ... (:
--
/======================================\
| Olav "Mac" Woelfelschneider          |
| wosch@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de |
+--------------------------------------+
| I refuse to grow up,                 |
| I don't want to lose my humor...     |
\======================================/

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From: wjstaal@cs.vu.nl (Staal WJ)
Subject: Re: LINUX FOR MCA/SCSI
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 13:43:49 GMT

From the Linux-projects FAQ:
 
Title:          Linux-MCA 
Desc1:          Micro-Channel differ from the ISA machines in their 
Desc2:          interupt and device handling. Hence, enough changes 
Desc3:          need to be made to the original Linux to support 
Desc4:          MCA machines. The goal of this project is to create a 
Desc5:          stable release of Linux for the MCA. 
Author:         Arindam Banerji,Peter De Schrijver,Craig McNeil,Arnd Gronenberg 
AuthorEmail:    axb@cse.nd.edu,stud11@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be,cmcniel@blue.weeg.uiowa
.edu,arnd@ag.rhein-main.de 
InfoSources1:   Although, the Linux-MCA channel exists, we currently 
InfoSources2:   operate by simply exchanging e-mail. Send mail to any of 
InfoSources3:   us and we'll try and answer, to the bst of our availability. 
Assistance:     We're certainly looking around for more volunteers. 
CurrentStat:    Developer's release available from invaders.dcrl.nd.edu:/pub/mis
c/linux 
ETA:            Nothing official 
Remarks1:       Currently, the release supports ESDI drives and the token 
Remarks2:       ring support is almost done. Some problems with serial 
Remarks3:       communication still exist. A very important step towards 
Remarks4:       stability is addition of ABIOS support. We're looking for 
Remarks5:       additional volunteers for this. Full Slackware release coming so
on. 
Entered:        10 Aug 1994

invaders.dcrl.nd.edu:/pub/misc/linux
ncftp>dir
total 19266
-rw-r--r--   1 root     system     19535 May 23 11:18 2axb.tar.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root     system   1228800 May 26 01:39 basedsk1
-rw-r--r--   1 root     system   1228800 May 26 01:39 basedsk2
-rw-r--r--   1 root     system   1228800 May 26 01:39 bootdisk
-rw-r--r--   1 root     system     23869 May 26 01:40 dpkg.ps
-rw-r--r--   1 root     system   4628480 May 23 11:17 linps2.tar
-rw-r--r--   1 root     system      5882 Jul 06 11:44 ps2.install.instr
-rw-r--r--   1 root     system     24408 Aug 12 05:10 ps2_install_instr.ps.Z
-rw-r--r--   1 root     system   1474560 May 26 01:38 ps2bootdisk

I hope you can install Linux! Contact one of the developers for more
information.

        Wilco Staal
               -\/------                 /------
      _ _        \   \   Linux: the best things
 < < < < <       /    / in life are always free.
 |_|_|  >_>taal  \ \___/---------/
    \__/         /      If you type WIN,
wjstaal@cs.vu.nl-       you loose  -----
      --/        \__/          \--/

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From: willmore@iastate.edu (David Willmore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion)
Date: 18 Aug 94 07:32:41 GMT

rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly) writes:
>David Willmore (willmore@iastate.edu) wrote:
>: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly) writes:

>I'm talking about a computer room with hundreds of systems.

Yes, so?  This means that you should have more resources upon which
to draw.

>YHeah, but it's hard to back up to a CDROM drive.

Well, that's true.  We use a centralized machine with a big/fast
tape drive.  It was the most cost effective and flexible solution
that we could come up with.  We're bridged off and all of our 
machines can flood an ethernet with little problem.  Backups are
only limited by tape speed.

>The average porting machine has 4+ megs of data.  During the critical
>period of ports they get backed up every night by cron.

Piece of cake.  It would take more time to negotiate the connection
than it would to write the data to tape.  I would expect that this
backup could be done at about 1/2 of raw tape speed.

>If someone were to gice me a SCSI CDROM drive tomorrow, all I would be
>able to say is that the power light comes on and it doesn't screw up
>my SCSI bus.

Most of the software that I had to install was available on CDROM.  All
we had to do is let our vendors know that we didn't want it on tape
anymore.  Most of them are really happy to hear that because they can
put a version for every kind of machine on a CDROM--hance lowering
their costs.  Hell, even pressing a new CDROM for only 1K coppies would
be cheaper than 1K coppies of a 5 TK-50 set.  (about $100 / set)

>From what I can see, Linux, FreeBSD, and NetBSD CD disks are all out of
>date by the time they hit the street.

I agree.  I'm not sure the logic behind it.  I guess it's for the people
who don't live on the cutting edge.  They are nice because you have source
available for everything.  They are cheap, too...

Cheers,
David
-- 
___________________________________________________________________________
willmore@iastate.edu | "Death before dishonor" | "Better dead than greek" | 
David Willmore  | "Ever noticed how much they look like orchids? Lovely!" | 
===========================================================================

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From: root@myhost.subdomain.domain (root)
Subject: Anyone know about DPT alpha driver?
Date: 18 Aug 1994 06:50:24 GMT

 I was wondering where to find more info about the scsi DPT alpha drivers
in the sunsite ALPHA directory. I did all the editing required. But when
I tried to compile the kernel w/ DPT support it reports errors in the dpt.c
file. Anyone got these drivers to compile and work? Oh, i'm running gcc 2.5.8
trying to compile kernel ver. 1.1.43. Any help would be appreciated.


                                Thanks In Advance!

                                root@steveast.unicomp.net

                                Steve Eastham

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From: edge@ccs.neu.edu (Inferno_Operator)
Subject: Re: TERM + TRN/NN + NNTP.... uhm, how?
Date: 18 Aug 1994 14:34:00 GMT

Elf Sternberg (elf@chinook.halcyon.com) wrote:

:       That's basically it.  I've gotten term to work with damned near 
: everything, from telnet and FTP to Mosaic.  My last two are the most 
: critical, however, and News, understandably, is first (it looks easier).  
: Does anyone have a working example of using trn-nntp or nn-nntp with 
: term?  Any tips or tricks?  I've made trn several times, with termnet and 
: without (term 2.0.4), and it refuses to work.  Any help?

If you're the typical term user, running at 14.4, your best bet is to run
your newsreader on the remote machine via trsh. Newsreaders and NNTP
servers pass a LOT of information back and forth behind the scenes, and
a modem link is just too slow to be interactive for news.

If you have a faster connection & are using term for some ungawdly
reason, or if you don't mind 10-minute waits while changing groups,
it's simple enough to set your NNTPSERVER to localhost and, ie,  
tredir 119 news.scruz.net:119
This causes no more slowdown than a termnet-compiled reader.

--
Jay Campbell <edge@donal.dorsai.org> http://chiba.picosof.com/users/edge

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