Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #615
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Tue, 16 Aug 94 01:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #615, Volume #2                Tue, 16 Aug 94 01:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  tredir: Can't bind to requested address.  s = -1 (Elf Sternberg)
  Re: IDE + Future Domain SCSI: Slackware Fails (Howie Grapek)
  User Accounting (hours) needed (Aram Mirzadeh)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Suggest:SCSI Tape File System (Andrew Anderson)
  Re: MCA SCSI Adapters for Linux? (Dennis Willson)
  Linux in Open Computing mag (Bill McCarthy)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Peter Wiley - Poultry)
  Re: Menu-oriented shell for dial-in users? (jonboy)
  Re: APC refuses to give out info without NDA (Russell Nelson)
  XFree86 slow sometimes .... Why? (Hugh Anderson)
  term + gopher/archie/mosaic/news/mail (Mark Bergman)
  Xfishtank 2.1 (no output) (Jonathan Bradshaw)

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From: elf@chinook.halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Crossposted-To: halcyon.general
Subject: tredir: Can't bind to requested address.  s = -1
Date: 16 Aug 1994 00:22:58 GMT

        I'm running term 1.18 on both ends through halcyon.  Everything 
works... I can even get Mosaic to work!  (Thanks for the suggestions, 
BTW).  Now, I'm still stuck.  My /etc/hosts file looks like:

127.0.0.1       localhost       pendor

        "pendor" being the name of my Linux box.  However, no matter what 
I do, I get

Can't bind to requested address. s = -1
Nothing to do.

        Do I have to have TCP/IP in my kernel or not?  Does it have to be 
loaded to work?  (I currently get the "you may ignore this error" when I 
boot up).  Any suggestions?  Anyone with similar experiences?

                Elf !!!
--
elf@halcyon.com          Another victim of involuntary performance art. 

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From: howie@fc.hp.com (Howie Grapek)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: IDE + Future Domain SCSI: Slackware Fails
Date: 16 Aug 1994 02:22:43 GMT


Interesting... I have similar problems, albeit worse.

My machine started as a DOS only machine...
486-sx25, 8 meg memory, 256K cache, a 125 mb ide hd, floppies, generic 
s3 graphics card, a SMC network card and that's it.  I've been running 
windows for workgroups on it.

I want to make it a dual boot LINUX/DOS machine using LILO
... with DOS on the IDE drive, LINUX on the second disk (I have a 
327 MB Seagate scsi and the same SCSI card).. 
pretty simple eh?

I dropped in the scsi card, an external CD rom (scsi-id 4), the seagate 
scsi disk (scsi-id 1); I left the floppies on the IDE card and disabled 
the floppies on the SCSI card.
I rebooted to DOS, Loaded the scsi software (future domain 
diskettes)...  

Dos boots fine, I was able to fdisk and format the scsi disk 
and read the cd roM, diskettes, etc... the prep for loading LINUX on
the SCSI drive

I Figured all is cool (bad assumption?)... everything is hooked up 
properly, and working.

So, I created the bootdisk and rootdisk from the Transameritech CD, 
which says it has the Future Domain drivers built into the kernel...
Ok, booted (from the bootdisk) and it did an auto detect on the scsi card, 
and saw the scsi disk.. then it hung.... never asked me for the rootdisk.

I didn't see any hesitation on the floppies.... it loaded the 
ramdisk in several seconds.... and did an auto-detect on the 
scsi card.  that is the only good news.

I got several pages of diagnostics ...
first the Future Domain Specifics... bios version, chipset, irq, etc
Then I got other wierd stuff... like scsi bus reset, etc
and they just scrolled by... Unfortunately, I left my notes at home...
I'll get the details and post them tomorrow... 

Anyway, the FAQ says something about the FUTURE domain and the 
Seagate Drives...  but since I didn't recompile the kernel and 
create the disks, I made a mental note and then ignored them.   
I'd be willing to bet that you and I are facing the same problem... 
a bug in the Future Domain Driver dealing with Seagate Drives.
The FAQ mentions it specifically.. it even says how to get around it.
take a look.

My quandry, if you get the boot/root disks working, could you 
forward them to me? I'm not really in a position to re-compile
the kernel since I don't have anything running at the moment.

This is as far as I go... any ideas? 




Robert A. Hayden (hayden@vorlon.mankato.msus.edu) wrote:
: I have a system with two Caviar IDE drives.  This afternoon, I tried to 
: drop in a Future Domain 1680 SCSI card and a Seagate 500 meg SCSI drive 
: (Device #6).

: I was able to recompile my kernel and get a boot floppy that detected the 
: drive with no problem and I was able to mount it by hand.

: Next I copied most of my /dev/hda stuff over to /dev/sda1 so that I could
: reformat/re-partition /dev/hda into one larger partition.  To do this, I
: was going to boot the slackware boot disk (SCSINET), reformat and partion
: /dev/hda and copy the stuff from /dev/sda1 back to the proper places on
: /dev/hda1.  Their are two problems that I encountered, though... 

: 1)  Floppy reads are now VERY VERY slow . . . For example, it takes about 4 
: minutes for the ramdisk to load from the bootdisk.

: 2)  when the ramdisk and kernel IS finally loaded, it starts to page 
: through all of the diagnotic stuff and I'll get the following error:

:       [...]
:       Calibrating delay loop: ok - 33.22 BogoMips
:       failed

: At this point, everything will freeze.

: Also, in /var/adm/syslog, I am getting the following errors, but I am not 
: sure at which point they are being caused (not from the slackware 
: bootdisk, but this might be a clue):

:       Aug 15 13:01:03 vorlon kernel: floppy 0: probe failed...
:       Aug 15 13:01:03 vorlon kernel: Reset-floppy called
:       Aug 15 13:01:04 vorlon kernel: floppy 0: probe failed...
:       Aug 15 13:01:04 vorlon kernel: Reset-floppy called
:       Aug 15 13:01:04 vorlon kernel: floppy 0: probe failed...
:       Aug 15 13:01:04 vorlon kernel: Reset-floppy called

: ----------------------------------------

: Both the IDE card and the SCSI has a floppy controller.  Originally the 
: IDE was acting as a the Floppy card, but I switched it over to the SCSI 
: (disabling the other card) during debuggging, with no change.

: -----------------------------------------

: Here are the vitals on this system.

: Intel 486-66
:       16 Meg Ram
:       256k Cache
:       AMI BIOS
: 2x WD Caviar 420MB Drives
: 1x Seagate 540MB SCSI Drive
: No-Name VLB IDE - I/O - Floppy Card
: Future Domain 1680 16-bit ISA SCSI (IRQ 15)
: 1x Mitsumi CDRom (IRQ 11)
: Colorado Floppy-based Tape Drive
: No-Name 512k VGA Card
: AddTron NE2000 Compatible Thinnet Ethernet Card (IRQ 5)
: 8-Bit Sound Blaster (IRQ 7)

: --
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux
From: mirzadeh@pmdb.sep.bnl.gov (Aram Mirzadeh)
Subject: User Accounting (hours) needed
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 14:23:48 GMT

Greetings, 

I have heard of an accounting system, (not particularly for linux) that would
track the use of users per hour on a network of machines, and would report
these finding to each user, and after a predetermined amount of time it would
disallow logins by that user.  

Does anyone have any idea where such a program or similar to it can be found?
I have tried to use the acct program from sunsite, but after making the kernel
patches, (1.1.18) I get accton:accounting not implemented as soon as I run
the program. 

Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

Thank you. 

<Aram>
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 1994 02:14:24 GMT

In article <32p0gdINN41l@ringer.syd.dwt.csiro.au>, peter@prospect.anprod.csiro.au (Peter Wiley - Poultry) says:
+---------------
| The problem is in the DBMS *vendor* support. If you install their code on an OS
| not supported by them you will (rightly) get no support. My experience is that
| they *are* responsive to problems; miles ahead of the OS guys.
+------------->8

Unify, not SCO, offered me the SCO kernel patches for the problem we were
having with Unify under SCO.  I'm quite aware of the support disparity, thank
you :-)

As for support:  once it works under SCO I can switch it to Linux no problem,
knowing that I won't get support from Unify but also knowing that I can fix
any OS-related problems myself instead of having to rely on SCO non-support.
In any case, I haven't had any problems traceable to *database* bugs in quite
some time.  (Sad commentary on SCO...)  ---The fun part, actually, will be
trying to work a deal with Unify when I get the money to buy a single-user
development copy for myself.  Upgrades are tied to support contracts, but I
have no intention of trying to get them to support a Linux host.  Unless they
want to surprise me...

| This *still* has nothing to do with Unixware.
+------------->8

I think UnixWare got dragged into it when someone insisted that UnixWare was
the "proper" replacement for SCO in such a situation.  Not having used
UnixWare, I reserve judgement.  I do agree that, absent said argument,
UnixWare is outside the topic.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH         [44.70.4.88]             bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
Linux development:  iBCS2, JNOS, MH

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From: andrew@amelia.db.erau.edu (Andrew Anderson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Suggest:SCSI Tape File System
Date: 16 Aug 1994 00:56:45 GMT

Christopher Cason (cjcason@yarrow.wt.uwa.edu.au) wrote:
: Chris Burke (clb@prism.mindware.brisnet.org.au) wrote:
: : I have been pondering a bit and have worked out a reasonable way to allow
: : a mountable file system for high speed tapes. 
: [snip]

: I think this is an excellent idea. Anyone else have any comments ???
: regards,

The question I have (and I e-mailed Chris Burke about it) is could this
also be used with QIC-80/IDE combo, not just SCSI devices?  This would
be great to me (and many others I suspect).  I know that the underlying
hardware would be radically different, but could it be implemented
with enough of a layered approach to allow easy adaptation?

--
|===========================================================================|
|  Andrew Anderson                              andersoa@erau.db.erau.edu   |
|  Novell Network System Administrator          andersoa@bart.db.erau.edu   |
|  Linux System Administrator                   andrew@wilbur.db.erau.edu   |
|                                                                           |
| I don't speak for ERAU, and God knows I don't want them to speak for me!  | 
|===========================================================================|

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From: dwillson@pcwizard.almaden.ibm.com (Dennis Willson)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware,de.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: MCA SCSI Adapters for Linux?
Date: 16 Aug 1994 00:43:20 GMT
Reply-To: dwillson@almaden.ibm.com (Dennis Willson)

In <1994Aug14.124307.871@penrij.UUCP>, soup@penrij.UUCP (John R. Campbell) writes:
>jesusr@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>
>MicroChannel was actually a pretty competent architecture;  I suspect,
>however, that it does not compete well against PCI (that being a newer
>standard).  If IBM hadn't tried to tighten the box (they over-reacted
>after the PC/AT bus got turned into ISA) this might have been seen as
>the next bus to migrate to.  See?  Technical excellence has *nothing*
>to do with success (consider Motorola vs Intel's bug lists on CPUs
>and glue chips).

MicroChannel and PCI are NOT competitors, MicroChannel is a CHANNEL and PCI is
a LOCAL BUSS. Just like there are ISA/PCI systems and EISA/PCI systems I will
bet there will be MicroChannel/PCI systems (my personal opinon). Things like
SCSI controllers and high speed video controllers belong on a local buss, Sound
cards, game controllers and the like belong on a channel where they will not
slow down the high speed devices.

Actually I believe that a system should have two SCSI adaptors, one on the
local buss for the system and paging harddisks. And the other on the
MicroChannel for CD-ROM drives, Optical R/W drives, Scanners etc....

Dennis



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From: bmccarth@gulfaero.com (Bill McCarthy)
Subject: Linux in Open Computing mag
Date: 15 Aug 1994 20:55:39 -0400

Hiya;

FWIW dept: Open Computing magazine, Sept 1994, pp.83-87, has an article about
linux titled "Cheap & Uneasy: BSD/386 and Linux". Pretty interesting.





Bill McCarthy
bmccarth@gulfaero.com

"Isn't it pretty to think so."
TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT\__Jake Barnes___________________________
LinuX + i486dx2/66 
usual disclaimer 

 
   

 

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From: peter@prospect.anprod.csiro.au (Peter Wiley - Poultry)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: 16 Aug 1994 00:16:13 GMT



You people talking about Linux running SCO binaries and the lack of SCO support
are missing the point. I *know* SCO support quality; That's why I don't use SCO.The problem is in the DBMS *vendor* support. If you install their code on an OS
not supported by them you will (rightly) get no support. My experience is that
they *are* responsive to problems; miles ahead of the OS guys.

Using Linux to run SCO binaries as a developer may well be a bright thing to 
do; I may steal the 386 back off my son and try. I just don't think it's a 
bright thing to do in a commercial, production environment for all the reasons
previously stated. As soon as Progress, Oracle, Informix et al agree to support
Linux, then it'll be a proposition.

This *still* has nothing to do with Unixware.

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Subject: Re: Menu-oriented shell for dial-in users?
From: jmmadiso@iupui.edu (jonboy)
Date: 15 Aug 94 18:56:25 -0500

In article <CuK4vz.5Bw@info.uucp>,
Serge Solski u <sols7520@mach1.wlu.ca> wrote:
>
>       Is there a shell or program that will let me make menu's so that
>my dial-in users won't have to deal with the OS? I've checked out the
>various BBS software, but they're too... well.. BBSish. All I want is to
>create some menus to help my users configure their setup (ie: which editor
>to use) and select programs (pine, trn, tin, gopher, etc.) 
>
well, there's a "ready to be hacked up" easy to use shell script called
Rsh at sunsite that i messed with (it's like this program that i grabbed
for a friend, only i added "dialog" support to it).  it's tiny, and it
kind of works.  i think it's in the "shells" directory under Linux @sunsite.
get the INDEX.whole file from /pub/Linux to get the exace location.

>       -Mark
>-- 
>"Key chuckles. 'If Skinny Puppy, in terms of the movie _Alien_, is a
>chest-burster, then Doubting Thomas is more of a face-hugger,' he informs,
>as if that were an explanation."
got a bus 2 catch....

-- 
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<A HREF "http://indyunix.iupui.edu/~jmmadiso">myHomePage</A>

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From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: APC refuses to give out info without NDA
Date: 16 Aug 1994 02:17:12 GMT

In article <32o173$icu@thor.tjhsst.edu> cmetz@thor.tjhsst.edu (Craig Metz) writes:

           After getting the run-around several times from APC, I finally
   got a response from Vince, who is apparently Debbie Gray's boss. Basically,
   although he admitted freely that their serial protocol is simple enough
   that it could be figured out and other manufacturers fully document their
   means of automated shutdown and other communication to the host processor,
   APC will not tell anyone how their Smart UPSs communicate.

Vince believes APC has more to gain from proprietary communications,
than from an open system.  This is an 80's attitude.  Wake up Vince,
we're half-way through the 90's!

   At least one person who responded to my original post indicated
   that he was going to just work on figuring the protocol out, and I
   plan to do the same. Would any current owners of APC Smart UPS
   units be interested in forming a group effort to do this?

Don't bother, you're just rewarding the above mistaken impression.

I guess I'm going to have to recycle the APC info package I got in the
mail today.  Too bad, because I *am* going to buy a UPS, and I *was*
going to buy an APC.

--
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From: h_anders@kai.ee.cit.ac.nz (Hugh Anderson)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: XFree86 slow sometimes .... Why?
Date: 16 Aug 1994 14:59:54 +1200

Hi - I have just started using XFree86 as a 'diskless linux-based
X-terminal'. We have in the past used X-kit, which is a great package
too - but costs for each 'seat'.

In many ways XFree86/linux is superior - it boots faster, and draws/redraws
menus and windows at at least double the speed -  great! Cans of beer
are on the way.

However some things are very slow ...
        Example:  an enclosed coloured irregular shape in xfig
                  can take 2 seconds to draw.
        Example:  The blue text in Mosaic representing a link to
                  another document - ..... (!)

These two examples are instantaneous in the commercial package.

By contrast - a gif image of 50 of the above enclosed irregular xfig
shapes is put up with no visible delay.

My question is: Can someone explain this behaviour? - I suspect that
either I have some local peculiarity/setup, or that one or other of the
X drawing routines in XFree86 is inefficient.

cheers Hugh

p.s. Don't let this post put anyone off XFree86/linux - I can't promote
either of them enough! I just want to know if anyone else has this problem,
and if there is an explanation.

-- 
*-------------------------------------------------------------*
| Hugh Anderson               h_anders@kai.ee.cit.ac.nz       |
| Central Institute of Technology, Heretaunga, New Zealand    |
*-------------------------------------------------------------*

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From: bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: term + gopher/archie/mosaic/news/mail
Date: 16 Aug 1994 00:15:23 -0400

I'm interested in using term over a 14.4 dial up and wondering if it is
possible to run local-to-linux archie/gopher/mosaic/news and mail
clients.  Is this possible, and what advantages would it give me?  The
only gain that I see is in using mosaic [allowing me to view graphics
images and possibly hear sound samples] instead on character-only lynx.
Is this correct? Is it feasible?
----
Mark Bergman    Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, (former) Unix user support grunt
718-855-9148    bergman@panix.com       {cmcl2,uunet}!panix!bergman
I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on:

rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.ex-unix-supporters
        3 So Far

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From: jonathan@nova.decio.nd.edu (Jonathan Bradshaw)
Subject: Xfishtank 2.1 (no output)
Date: 16 Aug 1994 04:11:19 GMT
Reply-To: Jonathan.M.Bradshaw.9@nd.edu

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I've got Xfishtank 2.1 to compile without any major changes but I get no
output. The program runs but nothing happens. I tried making the changes
that the person who uploaded 2.0 to sunsite did but to no avail. Has
anyone got this to work? Maybe who could send me a binary or knows the
magic incantation? ;-)

Thanks! I'd like to see some fish...

- --
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 PGP Key is available by  finger, keyserver or mail me with subject 'send key'
  "If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy"

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