Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #614
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Date:     Mon, 15 Aug 94 22:13:22 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #614, Volume #2                Mon, 15 Aug 94 22:13:22 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Proposal: Linux Inside T-Shirts (Robert T Morris)
  Re: comp.os.linux.hardware.* (Lars Wirzenius)
  Re: XFree86's Xconfig: vertical sync problem -- PLEASE! (David A. Ranch)
  philips cdrom driver (lih-sin the)
  Dot clock near the end of the bandwidth: please explain! (Sergei Naoumov)
  Re: XFree86's Xconfig: vertical sync problem -- PLEASE! (Sergei Naoumov)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Drew Eckhardt)
  IDE + Future Domain SCSI: Slackware Fails (Robert A. Hayden)
  Trying again--What Is iBCS?!? (gvacano@eagle.wesleyan.edu)
  Re: FAX software available? (Satoshi ASAMI)
  Re: comp.os.linux.hardware.* (Nils Nieuwejaar)
  Re: 1.1.x development study (Janne Sinkkonen)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Eric J. Bohm)
  Re: ?: Linux-based BBS' (Daver)
  Re: Slackware 2.0 CD-ROM (Joel Scotkin)

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From: rtm@neuromancer.ucr.edu (Robert T Morris)
Subject: Re: Proposal: Linux Inside T-Shirts
Date: 15 Aug 1994 20:10:46 GMT

Jean-Paul Chia (jpchia@iinet.com.au) wrote:
: Hello...
: Would Anyone be interested in a Black or White Long Sleeve T-Shirt,
: with the 'Linux Inside' Piccy printed in red on it?

Yes, count me in!

rtm

: --
: Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@tc.cornell.edu
: Be sure to include Keywords: and a short description of your software.

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From: wirzeniu@cc.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,news.groups
Subject: Re: comp.os.linux.hardware.*
Date: 16 Aug 1994 00:43:08 +0300

de5@de5.CTD.ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill) writes:
> But seriously, if we break it down logically and put it to a vote, if
> there's not enough interest to justify, e.g.,
> comp.os.linux.hardware.sound, then that group wouldn't be created.

I have this nagging feeling that any even-slightly-reasonable Linux
groups that gets to the vote stage will go through...

> >There is already a group for this: comp.windows.x.i386unix
> 
> Cool, I didn't know about that one.  Unfortunately the name is terribly
> misleading

It's advertised in the FAQ's, HOWTO's, Meta-FAQ's and various other places.
Also, the people who _develop_ the thing hang around in c.w.x.i, not
in any of the Linux groups.  Also, since lots of people (I assume most,
but I haven't counted them) have the same trouble with the same hardware
regardless of their operating system, it rather makes sense to use the
same group.  Even if it doesn't have "linux" in the name.

Other than that, do what you wish with the newsgroups, I'm not that
interested in them anymore.  (As long as you leave
comp.os.linux.announce alone, that is.)  But please do use the group
that exists for it for discussions about new groups: news.groups
(no, it doesn't have "linux" in its name, either :-)  Followups
redirected there.  (Why was this ever crossposted to c.o.l.help?)
If you care about the issues, do an RFD.

-- 
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi  (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
ftp.cs.helsinki.fi:pub/Software/Local/Publib -- general C function library

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From: dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu (David A. Ranch)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: XFree86's Xconfig: vertical sync problem -- PLEASE!
Date: 15 Aug 1994 19:41:22 GMT

In article <32iqp1$dkf@bigblue.oit.unc.edu>,
Sergei Naoumov <naoumov@physics.unc.edu> wrote:

>Hey, folks!
>There is a bit of a problem with either my monitor or my Xconfig. I
>have a Oak oti077 based card with 1M videoram and it should work
>just fine -- I know. What I want is to force it working under 65MHz
>dot-clock, although it seems I'm having difficulties. Here they are.
>
>       - 16 color server does not have these problems but it has a
>         different one: two images are overlapped vertically. 
>
>So, could someone, please, explain me what I'm doing wrong?
>

It sounds like your Xconfig is completely off.  Where did you get your
ModeDB settings from?  I would advise you against using X until you resolve 
this since you can do severe damage to your monitor.  What I recommend
is to download the mkxconfig util from sunsite and it will build you a 
decent Xconfig file.  

sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/X11/config/mkxconfig.tar.gz


-- 
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|     David A. Ranch  [Computer Engineer]         dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu     |
+----                                                                      ----+
+-------- Linux 1.1.x Administrator ---- dranch@rocko.lab.csuchico.edu --------+

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From: tlihsin@hubcap.clemson.edu (lih-sin the)
Subject: philips cdrom driver
Date: 15 Aug 94 19:43:31 GMT


hi, i just find the add of TigerSoftware that it is selling the lowest cd-rom
prices which is Philips CD-rom at $49.90, item#D15-1234.
Amazingly, TigerSoftware (1-800-888-4437) does not know the model number 
of this Philips cdrom on the add.
I am interested to get one of this Philips cdrom, but I would like to
know if linux has a driver for this cdrom?
I'll appreciate any info that I can get about this cdrom.
Thanks,
lihsin

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From: naoumov@physics.unc.edu (Sergei Naoumov)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Dot clock near the end of the bandwidth: please explain!
Date: 15 Aug 1994 21:48:10 GMT

Hey, folks!
I have a video card which is capable of giving me a dot-clock of 65.40 MHz.
However, my terminal has a babdwith of 65 MHz. Does this difference
really metter? I'm asking because I get a wiered looking picture: sort
of blurry image, although it's possible to see windows, etc.

Thanks in advance,
                        Sergei



-- 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+   Sergei O. Naoumov  serge@envy.astro.unc.edu  tel: (919)962-3998   +
+Department of Physics & Astronomy, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599, USA+
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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From: naoumov@physics.unc.edu (Sergei Naoumov)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: XFree86's Xconfig: vertical sync problem -- PLEASE!
Date: 15 Aug 1994 21:53:01 GMT

In article <32ogd2$1p3@charnel.ecst.CSUChico.EDU> dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu (David A. Ranch) writes:
>>There is a bit of a problem with either my monitor or my Xconfig. I
>>have a Oak oti077 based card with 1M videoram and it should work
>>just fine -- I know. What I want is to force it working under 65MHz
>>dot-clock, although it seems I'm having difficulties. Here they are.
>>
>>      - 16 color server does not have these problems but it has a
>>        different one: two images are overlapped vertically. 
>
>It sounds like your Xconfig is completely off.  Where did you get your
>ModeDB settings from?  I would advise you against using X until you resolve 

Well, I can't really damage a monitor as it's a mulisync, and I do not
clock it above the bandwidth. However, I suspect that 65.40 that the
card gives and 65 that monitor allows to go all together give me some
sort of a "side effect".

>this since you can do severe damage to your monitor.  What I recommend
>is to download the mkxconfig util from sunsite and it will build you a 
>decent Xconfig file. 

I made mine with ConfigXF86

        Sergei

-- 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+   Sergei O. Naoumov  serge@envy.astro.unc.edu  tel: (919)962-3998   +
+Department of Physics & Astronomy, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599, USA+
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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From: drew@frisbee.cs.Colorado.EDU (Drew Eckhardt)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: 15 Aug 1994 21:43:51 GMT

In article <CuL8Az.2v6@novell.co.uk>,
Martin Sohnius <msohnius@novell.co.uk> wrote:
>Neil Dunbar (neil@riscot.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>
>: Of course, using Linux instead of SCO, Unixware et al, removes the
>: uncertainty of what happens if SCO, Novell and Sun were all to go
>: belly up .... ;-)
>
>To lay some real flame-bait:  and what if the opposite happens, and all the
>people who support/write Linux code suddenly found themselves real-world
>full-time jobs?  

Many of us have real-world, full-time jobs - I maintain a BASIC
compiler which runs on a variety of platforms, other Linux 
developers are consultants, research physicists, etc.

Of course, if some of us were to find interesting day jobs in
systems programming, we might get less done with Linux...

-- 
Drew Eckhardt drew@Colorado.EDU
1970 Landcruiser FJ40 w/350 Chevy power
1982 Yamaha XV920J Virago

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: IDE + Future Domain SCSI: Slackware Fails
From: hayden@vorlon.mankato.msus.edu (Robert A. Hayden)
Date: 15 Aug 94 14:44:16 -0500

I have a system with two Caviar IDE drives.  This afternoon, I tried to 
drop in a Future Domain 1680 SCSI card and a Seagate 500 meg SCSI drive 
(Device #6).

I was able to recompile my kernel and get a boot floppy that detected the 
drive with no problem and I was able to mount it by hand.

Next I copied most of my /dev/hda stuff over to /dev/sda1 so that I could
reformat/re-partition /dev/hda into one larger partition.  To do this, I
was going to boot the slackware boot disk (SCSINET), reformat and partion
/dev/hda and copy the stuff from /dev/sda1 back to the proper places on
/dev/hda1.  Their are two problems that I encountered, though... 

1)  Floppy reads are now VERY VERY slow . . . For example, it takes about 4 
minutes for the ramdisk to load from the bootdisk.

2)  when the ramdisk and kernel IS finally loaded, it starts to page 
through all of the diagnotic stuff and I'll get the following error:

        [...]
        Calibrating delay loop: ok - 33.22 BogoMips
        failed

At this point, everything will freeze.

Also, in /var/adm/syslog, I am getting the following errors, but I am not 
sure at which point they are being caused (not from the slackware 
bootdisk, but this might be a clue):

        Aug 15 13:01:03 vorlon kernel: floppy 0: probe failed...
        Aug 15 13:01:03 vorlon kernel: Reset-floppy called
        Aug 15 13:01:04 vorlon kernel: floppy 0: probe failed...
        Aug 15 13:01:04 vorlon kernel: Reset-floppy called
        Aug 15 13:01:04 vorlon kernel: floppy 0: probe failed...
        Aug 15 13:01:04 vorlon kernel: Reset-floppy called

========================================

Both the IDE card and the SCSI has a floppy controller.  Originally the 
IDE was acting as a the Floppy card, but I switched it over to the SCSI 
(disabling the other card) during debuggging, with no change.

=========================================

Here are the vitals on this system.

Intel 486-66
        16 Meg Ram
        256k Cache
        AMI BIOS
2x WD Caviar 420MB Drives
1x Seagate 540MB SCSI Drive
No-Name VLB IDE - I/O - Floppy Card
Future Domain 1680 16-bit ISA SCSI (IRQ 15)
1x Mitsumi CDRom (IRQ 11)
Colorado Floppy-based Tape Drive
No-Name 512k VGA Card
AddTron NE2000 Compatible Thinnet Ethernet Card (IRQ 5)
8-Bit Sound Blaster (IRQ 7)

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Subject: Trying again--What Is iBCS?!?
From: gvacano@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 15 Aug 94 18:22:49 EDT

Well, I guess I'll try again, and hope for a reply this time.

Please, what is iBCS? If it is a software package, what's the package called
and how can I obtain it?

Thanks,
Guido Vacano

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From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi ASAMI)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: FAX software available?
Date: 15 Aug 94 15:58:28

(Please don't crosspost to these two groups....we have enough flame
 wars going on)

In article <32ohit$9qa@news.panix.com> berke@panix.com (Wayne Berke) writes:

 * I am considering a PD UNIX and one of the factors in my choice will be
 * what kind of FAX software (not necessarily free) there will be available.
 * 
 * A quick search of the FAQs:
 * 
 *         *BSD does not mention anything.

There is a free package called "FlexFax" that works (at least) under
FreeBSD.  I haven't used it for a while (long distance call to
Japan!), but it did work for me when I tried it in the 1.0.2 days.

Satoshi

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From: nils@cs.dartmouth.edu (Nils Nieuwejaar)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: comp.os.linux.hardware.*
Date: 15 Aug 1994 21:13:40 GMT

de5@de5.CTD.ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill) writes:
   nils@cs.dartmouth.edu (Nils Nieuwejaar) writes:

   >       comp.os.linux.hardware.video
   >       Which boards do/don't work.  How to configure them for XFree86.
   >
   >There is already a group for this: comp.windows.x.i386unix

   Cool, I didn't know about that one.  Unfortunately the name is terribly
   misleading--that's why I never discovered it.  But c.w.x.i386unix isn't
   Linux-specific, and, IMO, Linux is big enough to warrant it's own video
   hardware group.

It doesn't have to be Linux-specific to be useful.  How many XFree86
issues actually are linux-specific?  The implementation issues may be,
but dot clocks, etc are video card/monitor specific - not which unix
you are runnning.

   >       comp.os.linux.hardware.sound (*)
   >       More of the same, for PC sound cards mostly.
   >       comp.os.linux.hardware.cd-rom
   >       You get the idea.
   >       comp.os.linux.hardware.misc
   >       Other peripherals like printers, mice, tape drives, etc.
   >
   >These three groups would probably be full of articles crossposted to
   >c.o.l.h. and the corresponding c.s.ibm.pc.hardware groups.

   I don't see any problem with xposts to c.s.ibm.pc.hardware groups

Think about that for a second.  If it would be appropriate for the
posts in question to be crossposted to an existing group, then that
implies that there is already someplace for that discussion to take
place.  If there is already someplace for the discussion to take
place, why do we need a new group?

   I don't know why people would xpost to comp.os.linux.help with
   a more targetted group available, though.

I don't know why either, but you can bet they would.

   >They would become the default groups for
   >all hardware questions by people who happen to use linux, and they
   >would be filled with 'How do I set the DIP switches?' and 'Which is
   >the fastest tape drive?'.

   Um, that's exactly what I'd expect them to be used for.  What did you have
   in mind?

That's exactly what they shouldn't be used for.  There are existing
groups to discuss generic hardware issues.  Any new groups should be
used to discuss the interaction (for lack of a better word) of linux
and the hardware.  Which DIP switch I flip to prevent my USR modem
from answering the phone has nothing whatsoever to do with linux.  So,
that question should be asked in c.s.i.p.comm.


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From: janne@avocado.pc.helsinki.fi (Janne Sinkkonen)
Subject: Re: 1.1.x development study
Date: 16 Aug 1994 00:21:51 +0300

In article <CuFK0u.8E5@murdoch.acc.virginia.edu>,
Larry Doolittle <doolittle@cebaf.gov> wrote:
>Here is a cute plot (PostScript) showing how much code Linus
>is putting out (or, in some cases, sifting through and publishing).
>If anybody has data on his caffeine intake, let me know and
>I could do some correlation studies <grin>.

Check also 

  http://avocado.pc.helsinki.fi/~janne/linux/kernel_stat.html

I'll include your picture there too! :)

--
Janne

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
From: bohm@cs.buffalo.edu (Eric J. Bohm)
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 1994 01:35:39 GMT

In article <1994Aug15.104039.1877@riscot.demon.co.uk>,
Neil Dunbar <neil@riscot.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>tomk@access.digex.net (Tom Krotchko) writes:
>
>>In article <32fvne$50n@hawk.ee.port.ac.uk>, mike@hobbit.hum.port.ac.uk (Mike Meredith) says:
>
>>[snip] A
>>64 user license of Sybase is somewhere between $6000-9000.  The cost of the
>>hardware to run it is another $15,000 (not counting the physical network).
>
>>Whether an OS costs $0.00 or $1,000 doesn't seem all that important.


Whoah, depends on your OS, note that SCO just (massively) increased its
prices for the big licenses.  Only the 16 user licenses were unaffected,
everything else went up in price by a factor of anywhere from 2 to 4 times
as much as the previous price.  So, now its more like 0 or anywhere between
2 and 12 thousand dollars.  For the above example that would be either 32
or 128 (no 64) user license, so think 3-5k.  

A ~20% savings is nothing to sneeze at.

Note that those prices still don't include support. 

>I'm not so sure, Tom. That's a question of paying $21,000 or
>$22,000. If a customer is presented with two choices which are
>equivalent OS's, which one would he choose? After all, that's $1000
>better off in his pocket than his system suppliers. In certain
>industries (like the company I work for), that $1000 can make the
>difference between getting and not getting a contract. Of course, the
>all important assumption here is whether the OS's are *really*
>equivalent, but that's already been done to death in this thread.

Now multiply his numbers by 2 to 4 times and try to laugh it off.

>Of course, using Linux instead of SCO, Unixware et al, removes the
>uncertainty of what happens if SCO, Novell and Sun were all to go
>belly up .... ;-)
>
>Neil
>-- 
>\ Neil Dunbar [Alleged Software Engineer]/   Rochester Instrument Systems, Ltd.
> \ E-Mail : neil@riscot.demon.co.uk     /            Hillend Industrial Estate,
>  \ CI$: 100066,603                    /                Dunfermline, Fife, U.K.
>   \ "I made the blue car go away"    /                    Tel : +44 383 822911




                                EJB




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From: daver@tmok.com (Daver)
Subject: Re: ?: Linux-based BBS'
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 23:30:54 GMT

Clay Luther (clay@monsta.metronet.com) wrote:
: Would someone send me a summary of Linux-based BBS.  I have been assigned with
: the task of finding a BBS software platform that allows both dial-in access and
: telnet-in access, but is something "friendlier" than just a pure unix prompt.

 You might check out macross.com. Telnet to macross.com and take a look at
my soon-to-be-released BBS package, NVBBS 2.0...
 
  -> Dave


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From: jscotkin@jpmorgan.com (Joel Scotkin)
Subject: Re: Slackware 2.0 CD-ROM
Date: 15 Aug 1994 13:33:06 GMT

In article <32fpap$9b9@telerama.lm.com>,
John W. Podlogar <podlogar@telerama.lm.com> wrote:
>'m looking to purchase the Slackware 2.0 CD-ROM from somebody. I recall
>that there was a post awhile back announcing this. Does anybody have any
>info on who I can order this from? Thanks for any help...-John Podlogar

Morse Telecom (800) 60-MORSE sells the Slackware Pro 2.0 CD.

I ordered one early last week and it came on friday (unfortunately,
I wasn't home, so I'll get it today...)

I believe that the Morse people worked with the Slackware creators
to put this CD together, with features like being able to run directly
off of the CD, and a Windows installation program.  

Joel 


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