Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #608
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Date:     Sun, 14 Aug 94 18:13:08 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #608, Volume #2                Sun, 14 Aug 94 18:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion) (John William Chambless)
  booting in a system with both IDE and SCSI using Boot Manager (Paul Quinn)
  Re: WD Caviar w/Linux (Mark Juric)
  Re: Linux(slackware) and security (Phil Homewood)
  Orchid - KELVIN 64 / 64-bit Video (Jimmie Holman)
  Re: Cross-compiling DJGPP binaries on Linux (Donald Jeff Dionne)
  TERM STATS 8/14/94 (Bill McCarthy)
  8bit clearence of ncurses??? (Sergei Naoumov)
  Looking for a NCR SCSI/PCI controller board (Steve DuChene)
  Re: jazz - a free MIDI sequencer for Linux/X11 on sunsite (James Hightower)
  Re: 3-button optical mouse - recommendations? (Ian McCloghrie)
  Re: tar compat on linux (Larry Blanchard)
  Re: comp.os.linux.hardware.* (David H Dennis)
  Re: Wallpaper under X in Linux (Erik Heinz)
  Re: Linux(slackware) and security (Dennis Duffner)
  486DLC from Dee One Systems (Alex Ramos)
  Re: Multi-threaded linux-kernel (Mike Jagdis)
  Re: Looking for a NCR SCSI/PCI controller board (David Fox)

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From: chambles@whale.st.usm.edu (John William Chambless)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion)
Date: 14 Aug 1994 09:16:10 -0500

In article <tw6OuAXCBh107h@taocow.hakatac.almanac.bc.ca>,
Aaron Clausen <aaronc@taocow.hakatac.almanac.bc.ca> wrote:
>
>Linux is supported by a great number of companies now.  Your argument is
>not valid.
>

Support?

Hmmm...

When I need support for Sun products, I call Sun, wait all day, hang up.
post to netnews, get help within hours.

When I need help for MS products, I call MS, wait all day, hang up,
post to news...get help.

Linux really saves me on phone calls!  ;)

[ plus I get better answers! ]
-- 
*   Billy Chambless                     University of Southern Mississippi
* "If you lie to the compiler, it will get its revenge."  Henry Spencer

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From: p_quinn@ECE.Concordia.CA (Paul Quinn)
Subject: booting in a system with both IDE and SCSI using Boot Manager
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 1994 04:35:33 GMT


If I have two drives:

IDE with Linux and DOS
SCSI with OS/2 and DOS,

where should I place my OS/2 boot manager so that I can boot and access all
by OS'es?


--
________
Paul Quinn
p_quinn@ece.concordia.ca
Computer Science: Systems Architecture
Concordia University
Montreal, QC, CANADA
========

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From: mjuric@fred.cs.depaul.edu (Mark Juric)
Subject: Re: WD Caviar w/Linux
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 1994 14:16:25 GMT

In article <1994Aug12.190534.26441@pvi.com> chrisj@pvi.com (Christopher Michael Joslyn) writes:
>In article <1994Aug11.211221.25366@hal.depaul.edu>,
>Mark Juric <mjuric@fred.cs.depaul.edu> wrote:

>>  But... all works well now.  No HD controller errors or anything.  So the
>>moral of this story?  WD hard drives *and* their support people are big babies.

>drive (the WD drive one).  So it really isn't the drive being a "big
>baby" (I'm not going to touch the one about WD's support people), it is
>that the older drive is ignorant about the extended interface.

Yeah... I was just kidding.  Now that everything works fine I'm really happy
with it.  The drive is blazingly fast.  It's just that I don't care for support
people who bad mouth other people's perfectly satisfactory products -
especially when they can't/won't tell me *why* theirs is better (I had to
really on youz guys for that :)  And in all fairness, I wasn't speaking
directly with the Western Digital people: this HD was purchased through Hard
Drives International.
--
Mark Juric                                             DePaul University
PhD CS student             mjuric@fred.cs.depaul.edu or cphdmlj@hawk.depaul.edu


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From: phil@rivendell.apana.org.au (Phil Homewood)
Crossposted-To: alt.flame.spelling
Subject: Re: Linux(slackware) and security
Date: 14 Aug 1994 14:11:25 GMT

Bill Kress (kress@kentrox.com) wrote:
: >In article <DHOLLAND.94Aug11181239@husc7.harvard.edu>,
: >dholland@husc7.harvard.edu (David Holland) writes:
: >> <Attribution intentionally omitted to protect the guilty...>
[...]
: >>  > groups and make sure that my system isn't holy!
: >> Use curses, and run lots of daemons.
: >Allow hosts of which's.
: It might help to have some zombie processes and be sure to become familiar
: with the kill command.

And make sure there are no nice processes.
Oh, and don't forget to replace true with false.


Phil.
--
Phil Homewood                           phil@rivendell.apana.org.au
APANA Brisbane Regional Co-Ordinator    brisbane@apana.org.au
           "Quit dreaming,this is real life baby!"

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From: Jimmie Holman <jholman@onramp.net>
Subject: Orchid - KELVIN 64 / 64-bit Video
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 94 09:27:47 PDT


Does anyone have or can they direct me to .... DRIVERS for the new Orchid 
64-bit card .... It uses the "new" Cirrus Logic 5434 chipset.  I have not been 
able to find any driver on the latest Linux CD sets that will work

Any assistance appreciated !
I can be reached directily --- jholman@onramp.net

BTY - The card is really fast ... I notices a major difference when I replaced 
my Diamond Stealth 24 with the Orchid.

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From: jeff@ee.ryerson.ca (Donald Jeff Dionne)
Subject: Re: Cross-compiling DJGPP binaries on Linux
Date: 13 Aug 1994 05:06:38 GMT

Technically Sweet (thinman@netcom.com) wrote:
: Under 386bsd 0.1, I set up a system for cross-compiling DJGPP (GNU on DOS)
: binaries.  386bsd used exactly the same .o file format as DJGPP.
: All I had to do was load up the DJGPP includes and libraries,
: and port the DJGPP ld, ar, and ranlib programs to 386BSD.
: Et Voila!  A shell script around the whole thing made it pretty painless.

: How would I do this here on Linux?  Are the binaries the same format
: or different?  Has anyone done this?


Three such packages are on sunsite.unc.edu.

: -- 

: Lance Norskog
: thinman@netcom.com
: Artisputtingtogether. Art  s th ow n  aw y.
Jeff@EE.Ryerson.Ca

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From: bmccarth@gulfaero.com (Bill McCarthy)
Subject: TERM STATS 8/14/94
Date: 14 Aug 1994 11:43:20 -0400



This is a non-scientific compilation of information received from a poll
of term users. Its purpose is to give a new/experienced user some idea what
other folks are using and the results they are getting. Any errors are mine.
                              
                              
                              LINUX TERM CHART 8/14/94


|______modem sp/mk____|___line speed__|__avg cps__|__high__|__term ver|
|1) USR SP 14.4       |   9600        |  950      |  963   | 1.1.7    |
|2) USR SP 14.4       |  14400        | 1376      |  n/a   | 1.18p06  |
|3) Zoom 2400         |   2400        |  220      |  230   | 1.19     | 
|4) Boca V.32bis 14   |  57600        | 1400      |  n/a   | 1.01/09? |
|5) Viva 14.4         |  14400        | 1300      |  n/a   | 1.16     |
|6) USR SP 14.4       |  14400+       | 1550      | 1680   | 1.19     |
|7) Intel 14.4 Fax    |  14400        | 1400      | 1650   | 2.0.4    | 
|8) cable tv hookup   |  57600        | 1500      | 1800   | 1.18p06  |
|9) Twincom 144/DFi   |  57600        | 1500      | 4000?  | 2.0.4    |
|10) USR SP 14.4      |  14400        | 1200      | 1500   | 1.08     |
|11) cable tv hookup  |  19200        | 1300      | 1800   | 1.1.9    |
______________________________________________________________________


+Command flags/termrc settings:

1) default escapes   2) window 5       3) baudrate 2400    4) n/a            
   baudrate 9600        timeout 200       window 3
   window 10                              noise on
   timeout 150

5) compress off      6) baudrate 19200  7) ignore 19+17    8) compress off
   window 10            compress on        window 4           escape 0, 13, 
   timeout 150                             timeout 90         16-19, 255
   baudrate 38400                                             baudrate 0
                                                              shift 224
                                                              flowcrtl 500
                                                              window 10
                                                              timeout 70
                                                              retrain on
                                                              breakout 24
9) compress off     10) compress off      11) baudrate 19200
   baudrate 57600       baudrate 38400        compress on
   window 10            escape 17, 19         shift 224
   timeout 200          remote                escape 0, 13 16-17
   noise on                                   19, 255
   share on                                   window 10
   remote                                     timeout 40

*escape also implies ignore on remote


+Comm/term applications used:
tupload, termftp, ncttp, lynx, finger, libtermnet, rlogin, tmon, minicom,
tin, slurp, xgopher, XMosaic, xboard, xc, seyon, irc, whois


+Version problems/bugs:
ver 1.19 - termftp/tncftp/lynx/mosaic downloads interfere w/ remote X display.


+General observations:
Overall responses are that term works well. Some suggestions were for a 
term "Mini-HOWTO", and support to emulate 'inetd'. Also that libtermnet is
very easy to use and termftp/telnet should be scrapped.








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From: naoumov@physics.unc.edu (Sergei Naoumov)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: 8bit clearence of ncurses???
Date: 14 Aug 1994 15:52:25 GMT

Hey, folks!
I'm sort of concerned about an 8bit clearence of ncurses. It seems
that 1.8.5 messes up a coding table: it displays 128-191 as characters
and 192-254 as a pseudo-graphics. It's not good. Is there any way to
interchange these parts of a table INSIDE ncurses. Using mapscrn is
not a good way of doing it, actually, since all other programs rely on
a "normal" sequence of numbers.

Thanks in advance,

                        Sergei


-- 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+   Sergei O. Naoumov  serge@envy.astro.unc.edu  tel: (919)962-3998   +
+Department of Physics & Astronomy, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599, USA+
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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From: s0017210@cc.ysu.edu (Steve DuChene)
Subject: Looking for a NCR SCSI/PCI controller board
Date: 14 Aug 1994 16:21:56 GMT

        I am trying to locate a NCR SCSI controler board for PCI bus that
        I can use Drew Eckhardt's driver with. He says they are available 
        for $70-$80 but I have been unable to locate one. If anyone knows 
        of a vendor how sells these could you post or mail me the info. 
        Thanks.
-- 
| Steven A. DuChene   sduchene@cis.ysu.edu  or  s0017210@cc.ysu.edu      
| Youngstown State University  | Computer Science / Math / Mech. Eng.
|They all laughed at Albert Einstein. They all laughed at Columbus. 
|Unfortunately, they also all laughed at Bozo the Clown. 

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From: jamesh@netcom.com (James Hightower)
Subject: Re: jazz - a free MIDI sequencer for Linux/X11 on sunsite
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 1994 05:58:28 GMT

Dan Newcombe (newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu) wrote:

: Will this work with a soundblaster via it's MIDI port?  It seems to me that 
: the thing to do would be to use the sound driver MIDI calls so that it could 
: be independent of any particular soundcard.

I took a look at jazz, and it seems to want to use it's own mpu-401
driver, which is a shame, as it looks like a nice package.

Since the author uses the timer in the mpu-401, I think it might be
tough to convert it to use the Linux drivers.

JJH
--
"The point of recapitulation in the first movement of the Ninth is one of the
most horrifying moments in music, as the carefully prepared cadence is
frustrated, damming up energy which finally explodes in the throttling,
murderous rage of a rapist incapable of attaining release"
        -- UofM Musicologist Susan McClary, on Beethoven's Ninth.

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From: ianm@apprentice.qualcomm.com (Ian McCloghrie)
Subject: Re: 3-button optical mouse - recommendations?
Date: 14 Aug 94 16:50:08 GMT

duvall@sage.wlu.edu (Danek Duvall) writes:

>C M Brough (cmb@epcc.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
>: Can anyone recommend a 3-button optical mouse that works with Linux
>: and XFree? Kernel and X versions which you have had success/failure
>: with would also be helpful. Finally, if you know of UK suppliers, or

Mouse Systems makes the "PC Mouse III", which is a 3-button optical
mouse, switchable between 2-button Microsoft mode and 3-button Mouse
Sytems mode.  (if you're not aware of this, Mouse Systems makes the
optical mice that Sun ships with their workstations, or at least, they
used to, not sure if they still do).  It works great, with every kernel
and X version I've tried (it's just a serial mouse, nothing more).

Mouse Systems also makes a "serial busmouse card", which is really
nothing more than a serial port (16450, unfortunately) which goes onto
a non-standard IRQ and port.  It's configurable to any of the COM
ports, or to a couple of other port addresses.  Suitable digging will
turn up the right /dev/cua device to use, in mine, it's /dev/cua13.

When I got them, the mouse was around $80, and the 'busmouse' card was
$40 (an outrageous price for a serial port, but...).  The only place
I've seen them on the shelf is Fry's Electronics, but your local PC
place should probably be able to order them from MSC.

--
____
\bi/  Ian McCloghrie      | FLUG:  FurryMUCK Linux User's Group
 \/   email: ian@ucsd.edu | Card Carrying Member, UCSD Secret Islandia Club
GCS (!)d-(--) p c++ l++(+++) u+ e- m+ s+/+ n+(-) h- f+ !g w+ t+ r y*

The above represents my personal opinions and not necessarily those
of my employer, Qualcomm Inc.

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From: larryb@comtch.iea.com (Larry Blanchard)
Subject: Re: tar compat on linux
Date: 14 Aug 1994 16:42:29 GMT

Brian Quandt (quandt@cs.umr.edu) wrote:

: I've been having problems with tar accross multiple platforms.

: Is linux tar fully compliant?  Can I expect any problems between
: these systmes: linux sun hp, SGI? 

I've had no problems with tar files from SCO (Unix and Xenix), Coherent,
and Interactive.  No experience with those on your list, but would
suspect the incompatibilities are on their end if they don't work. I'm
running Linux 0.99pl15 from Slackware.


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: dhd@netcom.com (David H Dennis)
Subject: Re: comp.os.linux.hardware.*
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 1994 17:39:36 GMT

: Also consider that "What? I'm NOT a beginner - I'm already advanced :-!"
: feeling... IMHO indeed help is better.

Exactly what I was thinking.  I'm probably intermediate, personally, but
I still have questions that don't have much to do with the system's
development.  I like the groups as they are.

I think separating out hardware questions is a good idea, though.

D

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From: erik@Elbereth.thur.de (Erik Heinz)
Subject: Re: Wallpaper under X in Linux
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 1994 12:43:19 GMT

Rob Janssen (rob@pe1chl.ampr.org) wrote:
: In <32f4rr$e4j@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au> mai@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au (Van Dao Mai) writes:

: >   I also write a small shell script package that allows XV to be fired up
: >in background at intervals to load new images to the root X window. 

: If you want to load images on the root window (background) you may want
: to check the "xloadimage" program as well.  It usually runs a bit quicker
: than "xv".

Even much smaller and quicker is the program "xpmroot". It comes with the
fvwm distribution. 
You have to convert your images to xpm format, though. But xv can do this.

-- 
| Erik Heinz, Brandstrvmstr.45, D-07749 Jena, Germany  erik@elbereth.thur.de |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| .. and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the sea.  J.R.R. Tolkien |

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Crossposted-To: alt.flame.spelling
From: duffy@myhost.subdomain.domain (Dennis Duffner)
Subject: Re: Linux(slackware) and security
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 1994 19:46:06 GMT

Tom Barringer (tomb@bedford.progress.COM) wrote:
: In article <DHOLLAND.94Aug11181239@husc7.harvard.edu>, dholland@husc7.harvard.edu (David Holland) writes:
: > <Attribution intentionally omitted to protect the guilty...>
: > 
: >  > I was wondering if there is a good source of info about Linux and security
: >  > Preferrably free but I would like to know how to set up accounts and create
: >  > groups and make sure that my system isn't holy!
: > 
: > Use curses, and run lots of daemons.

: Allow hosts of which's.

: --
: Tom Barringer      : Progress Software Corp.   : The Tall Conspiracy is looking
: QA Development     : 14 Oak Park               : for members.  Please see the
: tomb@progress.com  : Bedford, MA  01730        : recruitment flyer posted on
: GEnie: T.Barringer : #include <std/disclaim.i> : the top of your refrigerator.
: HREF="ftp://ftp.progress.com/tomb/tomb.html"

Sounds like someone's pulling a leg here. ;-)


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From: ramos@engr.latech.edu (Alex Ramos)
Subject: 486DLC from Dee One Systems
Date: 14 Aug 1994 20:08:44 GMT

Does anyone have experience with Linux in the 486DLC/40 motherboards
from Dee One Systems (Computer Shoper p. 789)?  These are obscenely
cheap (VLB with CPU for $158!).  Anybody know the BogoMips rating for
the processor?

Thanks.
--
Alex Ramos (ramos@engr.latech.edu) * http://info.latech.edu/~ramos/
Louisiana Tech University, BSEE/Sr * These opinions are probably mine

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From: jaggy@purplet.demon.co.uk (Mike Jagdis)
Subject: Re: Multi-threaded linux-kernel
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 23:15:00 +0000

* In message <1994Aug11.002342.3156@kf8nh.wariat.org>,
  Brandon S. Allbery said:

BA> I got the impression that he was talking about a kernel that
BA> used threads *within the kernel*,
BA> [...]
BA> if I'm right, it doesn't take a multiprocessor to
BA> cause problems --- just a context switch within the kernel
BA> at the wrong time.

I think that at the moment only the user level is preemptable. Once you've 
entered the kernel you are safe until you either return or voluntarily wait 
on something. So the kernel level is safe unless you go to either a real 
time preemptable kernel or SMP - in which case processes have the same 
conflict problems as threads would anyway.

                                Mike  
 

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From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)
Subject: Re: Looking for a NCR SCSI/PCI controller board
Date: 14 Aug 1994 18:01:04 GMT

In article <32lgb4$lnm@news.ysu.edu> s0017210@cc.ysu.edu (Steve DuChene) writes:

]       I am trying to locate a NCR SCSI controler board for PCI bus that
]       I can use Drew Eckhardt's driver with. [...] If anyone knows 
]       of a vendor [who] sells these could you post or mail me the info. 

Please post.
--
David Fox                                               xoF divaD
NYU Media Research Lab                     baL hcraeseR aideM UYN

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