Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #603
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sat, 13 Aug 94 13:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #603, Volume #2                Sat, 13 Aug 94 13:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Disassembler for Linux? (ADAM P JENKINS)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Michael K. Johnson)
  Re: iBCS EMULATOR??? (Al Longyear)
  Re: Multi-threaded linux-kernel (David Wright)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Where did "Yggdrasil" come from? (Casey Barton)
  Re: GCC / Cache Internal Error Problem ("Eric Jeschke")
  Re: Slackware 2.0: Mounting CD Drive (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Mark A. Davis)
  XFree86's Xconfig: vertical sync problem -- PLEASE! (Sergei Naoumov)
  Re: Where is the archive ftp site of this news group? (Hsuei Ling Yu)
  GNAT 1.81 bug (Mike Black)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Hamish MacEwan)
  Re: Editors for Color Icons? (Christian Saucier)
  MV3D-PRO (Leap of Faith) ("Andrew Luck")
  Re: comp.os.linux.hardware.* (Drew Eckhardt)
  Re: No cd-rom in Slack2! (Serge Solski u)

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From: apj@twain.ucs.umass.edu (ADAM P JENKINS)
Subject: Disassembler for Linux?
Date: 13 Aug 1994 14:57:54 GMT

        Does anyone know of a disassembler for Linux?  Thank you.

-Adam Jenkins
apj@twain.ucs.umass.edu


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From: johnsonm@char.vnet.net (Michael K. Johnson)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: 10 Aug 1994 20:05:03 GMT


In article <32acqaINNs1@ringer.syd.dwt.CSIRO.AU> peter@prospect.anprod.csiro.au (Peter Wiley - Poultry) writes:
   As for the comment about event horizons, get real. Just *try* telling a 
   potential client that there's some software that will do what they want but
   all they have to do is wait a year, well maybe 18 months well....

   That's one sale you'll *never* get. Enough of those and you're not in business.
   Clients want solutions NOW, not next year. Look at the flak Novell gets about
   bugs in Unixware.

The point is that an earlier poster said that Linux will *never* be a
real solution because it does not *now* support all windows
applications.  This is obviously a really stupid pose.

It is perfectly valid to say "Because Linux does not have native
support for foo, I can't sell if to my clients now", but it is *not*
valid to say "Because Linux does not now have native support for foo,
it is and always will be a toy and I can't ever sell it to my clients."

Some people are selling Linux-based solutions to very happy clients.
More power to them (I admit that as editor of Linux Journal I have a
vested interest in this...)

Others don't feel that they can.  That's fine too.

The market will tell who is right.  I would guess that both are right,
but that Linux will get more and more market share over the next few
years.

michaelkjohnson

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From: longyear@netcom.com (Al Longyear)
Subject: Re: iBCS EMULATOR???
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 20:07:43 GMT

nwalker@cln.etc.bc.ca (Norm Walker) writes:

>Why is the iBCS package refered to as an emulator... it adds
>binary compatability not emulating per se.

Think of Linux in this fashion:

             +----------+   +---------+   +------------------------------+
             | disc     |   | CDROM   |   | other device drivers         |
             +----------+---+---------+---+------------------------------+
             |  file systems          |                                  |
             +------------------------+      Other things in the kernel  |
             |    such as the networking, memory mgmt, process mgmt, etc.|
             +----------------+------------+--------+--------------------+
             |  a.out loader  | ELF loader |  COFF  |   x.out loaders    |
             +----------------+-------+---++--------+--------------------+
             | Linux syscall          |   |   iBCS emulator module       |
             | interface module       |   +------------------------------+
             |                        |   |   iBCS syscall interface     |
             +------------------------+---+------------------------------+
        ======================= phantom system/user line ====================
             +-----------------------------------------------------------+
             |    Many varried applications for Linux                    |
             +-----------------------------------------------------------+

The point is that the emulator's job is to take the process requests and
make the corresponding call to the system procedure. The linux system
call interface does the same thing in response to the Linux application
doing the "int 0x80" system call.

The responsibility of the loader is to take the program file and make it
into a process. It does this by building the proper system tables so
that the memory management system may service the page faults and then
places the newly formed process on the ready queue. The linux scheduler
than takes over and sometime later will dispatch the process.

The difference about "binary compatibility" verses iBCS emulation is
that Linux "emulates" the iBCS system when it is running the process and
the loader understands the binary of the program needed for compatibility
in making the process from a program.

Both the loader and the emulator are part of the iBCS project.

-- 
Al Longyear           longyear@netcom.com

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From: dmw@prism1.prism1.com (David Wright)
Subject: Re: Multi-threaded linux-kernel
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 18:47:53 GMT

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  BL> I am really wondering whether people can also read somebody's apologies
  BL> about these kind of issues. I am believing to convince they cannot: if they
  BL> see an opportunity to flame somebody they cannot resist, but if that same
  BL> person posts a correction including his (or hers) apologies then it is
  BL> simply ignored (except for Patrick Volkerding: he was glad to see the
  BL> name change and the GPL thing).

        I saw it too. What I assumed was that due to propagation delays they
had NOT seen your apology at their site when they posted the message. Not
that I expect any of them sent you private email apologizing for THEIR
messages after they did receive it.

                                                        Dave


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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 01:07:05 GMT

Let me tell you folks a little story.

I am currently working with a client who has an SCO system with a database
application on it.  *The* database application:  order processing, production,
invoicing, A/R, A/P, G/L.  Downtime for this application means the company is
effectively stopped.

And SCO just stuck their tails in a crack twice in a row.  One was solved by a
patch from the database vendor to get around an acknowledged OS bug.  (I
brought the program home and tried it under the Linux iBCS2 emulator and it
worked.  Under SCO it dropped core.)  The other was worked around by taking a
hit on system capacity.

I briefly considered --- especially after the abovementioned test --- solving
the problems once and for all by removing SCO and installing Linux.  But in
fact it is *not* ready, as I have already acknowledged.

But the writing is on the wall.  We slammed headlong into two OS bugs in a
row; the client is shaken but unhurt as yet, but they're not shaking half as
much as I do when I think about the next time.

Other options:

UnixWare?  This is a standalone system.  Seems a bad fit.  I also don't feel
any better when I hear about bug reports.

Solaris 2?  Likewise, and since they just bought a bigger disk drive they're
not going to be pleased with having to buy *another* to hold the OS.  And,
like many other folks, I'm not looking forward to being a paying beta tester
for Sun.  (Despite working for a Sun VAR, and preferring Solaris 2 to SunOS
4 due to its familiarity.  I'm not *completely* crazy.)

ISC?  I help maintain wariat.org, which has been more unstable of late than I
like to see; it's an Interactive box.  And SunSoft has been less than helpful
despite many calls (I think they'd prefer we switched to Solaris...).

I've got the SCO system stabilized for now, but I'm continuing with Linux
development in my off hours.  The next time an SCO bug traps us I may have a
*viable* escape route.

The solution others have suggested here would have me discarding Linux
completely because it won't do the job right now.  If I followed that course,
six months or a year from now I could find myself with my tail in a vise and
no recourse except to get the client to struggle along on a buggy (at worst,
crashing hard and requiring full restores like the past month) while switching
them to a SPARC box (you don't know traumatic until you do something like
that; this client has been through it before and isn't likely to be very happy
at all if it happens again).  That may *still* end up being the only viable
course; but I'm thinking ahead and working ahead to keep the chance open that
they won't have to start over essentially from scratch just to get a working
system.

That's where I'm coming from in this discussion.  I'm being paid (through the
company I work for) by this client, in effect, to watch out for their
interests; if I can at all help it, avoiding another complete
hardware/software replacement for them is a better solution for them.  It may
end up not being necessary, but three times in three months with two SCO bugs
bringing down their system isn't a hopeful sign for the future --- and SCO has
been no help at all, even less help than SunSoft has been with wariat's
problems under ISC.

(And no, this is not my only reason for being involved with Linux; I started
with it before any SCO problems came to light for this client.  But it
certainly adds to my willingness to stabilize the iBCS2 emulator and other
aspects of Linux --- including cleaning it up for a potential business
installation.)

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH         [44.70.4.88]             bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
Linux development:  iBCS2, JNOS, MH

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From: cbarton@clark.dgim.doc.ca (Casey Barton)
Subject: Re: Where did "Yggdrasil" come from?
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 94 19:59:00 GMT

kenbrody@cloud9.net (Kenneth Brody) writes:
>Subject says it all.  Does anybody know where the name "Yggdrasil" comes
>from?

From Webster:

Ygg-dra-sil \'ig-dre-,sil\ n
[ON]
:a huge ash tree in Norse mythology that overspreads the world and
     binds earth, hell, and heaven together

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|          Casey Barton (a guy)            cbarton@clark.dgim.doc.ca          |
|              http://pctcp132.dgcp.doc.ca/personal/index.html                |

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From: "Eric Jeschke" <jeschke@cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: GCC / Cache Internal Error Problem
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 16:23:13 -0500

dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu (David A. Ranch) writes:

:In article <328ec4$8pq@eccdb1.pms.ford.com>,
:Todd Ignasiak <tji@tictac.fs.ford.com> wrote:

:>Is this problem seen only with a certain motherboard/chipset combination?
:>I think my current motherboard is an Opti chipset board, with an AMI Bios.

:Todd,

:There isn't any reason to replace the motherboard yet.  I've had a few instances
:where I had a bad cache chip.  If you can, swap out your existing cache chips
:with some known good ones.  Again, try to see if GCC fails.  

I second this.  I had the same problem and replaced the cache SIMM.
Fixed!

-- 
Eric Jeschke                      |          Indiana University
jeschke@cs.indiana.edu            |     Computer Science Department

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Date: Sun, 07 Aug 1994 23:08:03 +0200
From: Eberhard_Moenkeberg@p27.rollo.central.de (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
Subject: Re: Slackware 2.0: Mounting CD Drive


Hello Jeff Skone and all others,

on 07.08.94 Jeff Skone wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX.MISC:

JS> I've made a partition on the hard drive, but am now running into trouble
JS> getting the (read) CD-ROM drive mounted.

You just have to boot a floppy built from "sbpcd.gz".

Watch the "SBPCD:..." messages for success, and look at the
drive identification line. Your drive must be jumpered to
drive id 0 if you want to install from it.

JS> How do I do this? (I have a panasonic CR-562 drive.) Is it suppost to be
JS> done manually?

No, "setup" will do all what's necessary.

But you can switch to the second console (ALT F2), login as root and
  mkdir /CD
  mount -t iso9660 /dev/sbpcd /CD
  ls -al /CD
  umount /CD
and, if you see the directory listing, be sure that "setup" will
find your drive.

JS> Also, I've heard that you must specifically designate your CD drive as
JS> read-only or not. How is this done?

That is necessary for newer kernels (since about 1.1.33) only.
If you want to read how it is done, just rescan C.O.L.help. :-))

Greetings ... Eberhard


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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
From: mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 20:44:29 GMT

bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:

>In article <1994Aug8.213133.159@mbsks.franken.de>, m@mbsks.franken.de (Matthias Bruestle) says:
>+---------------
>| > But when one starts considering platforms upon which to base a
>| > commercial product, Linux simply falls far short.  The lack of Windows
>| With the iBCS2-Emu run:
>|  Informix SQL Standard Engine, Oracle, Tactician Plus, Uniplex,
>|  Uniplex Windows, VSIxFAX, ViaCrypt PGP, Word Perfect 5.1,
>|  MicroFocus COBOL/2 v1.3, Uniface v5.1 and many more
>+------------->8

>RM/COBOL-85, Unify 2000 1.3 and 2.4...  We (that is, the iBCS2 development
>team) know that other applications run, but almost nobody bothers to tell us
>about their successes and often we only find out about the failures when
>someone decides to make a comment in the newsgroups after the fact.

Someone did comment about an FAQ to list all applications which will run
under Linux in any form (native, SCO, Unixware, MS-"Windows", MS-"DOS", etc..
I think it would be a great idea, although I am not volunteering :)
-- 
  /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
  | Mark A. Davis    | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
  | Sys.Administrator|  Computer Services   | mark@taylor.infi.net           |
  \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

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From: naoumov@physics.unc.edu (Sergei Naoumov)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: XFree86's Xconfig: vertical sync problem -- PLEASE!
Date: 13 Aug 1994 16:01:37 GMT

Hey, folks!
There is a bit of a problem with either my monitor or my Xconfig. I
have a Oak oti077 based card with 1M videoram and it should work
just fine -- I know. What I want is to force it working under 65MHz
dot-clock, although it seems I'm having difficulties. Here they are.

        - Monochrome server works ok except that I'm having  a little
          garbage (snow-like) on the screen when moving windows.

        - 16 color server does not have these problems but it has a
          different one: two images are overlapped vertically. They
          look like this:

                        +---------------+
                        |               |        
                        |               |  <- First image
                        +...............+
                        |               |  <- Second image
                        |               |
                        +---------------+
          the images are identical but shifted vertically one with respect
          to another, so it looks like there is a second ghost.

        - 256 color server does not work. Well, it works but images are
          now "spread" horizontally: I have five of them.

So, could someone, please, explain me what I'm doing wrong?

Thank you very much in advance,

                        Sergei

-- 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+   Sergei O. Naoumov  serge@envy.astro.unc.edu  tel: (919)962-3998   +
+Department of Physics & Astronomy, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599, USA+
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: hyu@ruacad.ac.runet.edu (Hsuei Ling Yu)
Subject: Re: Where is the archive ftp site of this news group?
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 1994 15:44:42 GMT

In article <Cu8I4M.IsH@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> szhan@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Philip Siming Zhan) writes:
>
>Where are the archive ftp sites of this news group?
>
>Phil

try rtfm.mit.edu   /pub/usenet/new.answers


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From: mike@rayleigh.aftac.gov (Mike Black)
Subject: GNAT 1.81 bug
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 1994 15:09:20 GMT

Trying to get GNAT 1.81 installed and get the following running the
current linux binaries:

gcc -v -c hello.adb
Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.5.8/specs
gcc version 2.5.8
 /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.5.8/gnat1 -dumpbase hello.ada hello.adb
 -o /tmp/cca00375.s
 "/usr/adainclude/io.ads", line 1(1): illegal character

I'm currently on 1.1.44 kernel.  Anybody got a working version
available?
-- 
mike@rayleigh.aftac.gov

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From: hamish@actrix.gen.nz (Hamish MacEwan)
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 00:45:33 GMT

In article <1994Aug8.200120.8941@kf8nh.wariat.org>,
Brandon S. Allbery <bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org> wrote:

>Fine, so come up with something now if it's needed.  But don't try to kill
>someone else's development effort because it won't help *you* *now*.  Unless
>acting the spoiled brat is a selling point, of course.

If it were Brandon, you'd be the most popular person on the planet.

Ditto if reality-free fanaticism were a selling point.

I like linux, I don't like this bickering.


>++Brandon
>-- 
>Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH        [44.70.4.88]             bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
>Linux development:  iBCS2, JNOS, MH



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From: chsaucie@cm7c35.qc.bell.ca (Christian Saucier)
Subject: Re: Editors for Color Icons?
Reply-To: chsaucie@cm7c35.qc.bell.ca (Christian Saucier)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 21:48:30 GMT

In <31rbak$njb@nic.umass.edu>, cmay@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Christopher M. May) writes:
>Hi, I've got the color icons going in fvwm by correcting the 
>path to the colorpixmaps (.xpm files) in the .fvwmrc 
>(copied from the /var/X11/lib/X11/fvwm/sample_configs/system.fvwmrc)
>
>Is there a color pixmap editor available?  Does this come with
>the full xpm package?  Is this already in slackware?
>

xpixmap, available on sunsite. (I couldn't get it to work properly tough)

xpaint, available on sunsite. (really great program, you can edit multiple
other file formats)

C.

--
sygmadoc@qc.bell.ca           | Home of the Zarquon SGML DTD Analyser
Bell Sygma                    |
Product Documentation Team    |


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From: "Andrew Luck" <p00078@psilink.com>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.multimedia
Subject: MV3D-PRO (Leap of Faith)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 94 11:01:21 -0400

Well, after lurking for a while, I've picked up a MediaVision 3D-Pro 
for use as a general purpose soundcard.  

I had considered a Logitech Soundman Wave (Logitech doesn't do OS/2 
support , even on their mice), 

Turtle Beach (no OS/2 support), 

Soundblaster AWE-32 (But the WaveBlaster is mo money on top of that),

GUSMAX (really close on this one, but it appears to be a LOT of software
 emulation doing the work (not neccesarily a bad thing) and lots of tweaking 
(which is always an opportunity to which I will succumb for endless lost hours) 
The GUSMAX does sound like it has coming OS/2 and Linux support.

Kalix sounded great, but for the money I spent I actually received mechandise. !

Yes yes I know MV just did a Chapter 11, but I already own a CompuAdd 
computer, and they are somewhat shaky on the financial side but pretty 
good on the technical and support side.

But of course I'm writing this out to the 'net out of cowardice, because 
I haven't actually cracked the shrink wrap yet.

1.  Have I made a HUGE mistake ?

2. The PAS has native? OS/2 support.  Does this make it 
        slightly/somewhat/very likely that the 3D-PRO will get OS/2 support?

3. The PAS has native? linux support.  Does this make it 
        slightly/somewhat/very likely that the 3D-PRO will get linux support?

Other than barbs and laughter, I'd appreciate any advice on getting 
this puppy going.  The DOS.Windows install looks fairly straight 
forward. Hints on OS/2 and Linux would be appreciated.

Thanks again.



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From: drew@frisbee.cs.Colorado.EDU (Drew Eckhardt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: comp.os.linux.hardware.*
Date: 11 Aug 1994 21:28:44 GMT

In article <32dd3j$3t7@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>,
Dave Sill <de5@de5.CTD.ORNL.GOV> wrote:
>I'm fairly new to Linux and the Linux newsgroups, so pardon me if I'm out
>of line.
>
>I've found it pretty hard to find answers to the kind of questions I have,
>which are mostly about hardware compatibility.  Do they belong in
>comp.os.linux.help?  How about comp.os.linux.misc?  For that matter,
>exactly what is appropriate for these two groups?

I think a comp.os.linux.hardware newsgroup would probably be useful, 
since Linux users have different hardware needs than the DOS users 
who frequent comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.*.

In those groups, all performance comparisons are in WinMarks (useless,
as I don't own a copy of microsoft windows), and other bogus and 
irrelevant DOS benchmarks which, as a Linux user, mean almost 
nothing to me.

Similarly, discussions regarding driver support for various hardware
are limited to DOS, Windows, OS/2, and maybe Windows N/T.

>Anyway, I propose an organization orthogonal to the
>comp.sys.ibmpc.hardware.* hierarchy, e.g.:

Judging by the amount of hardware traffic, I don't think that 
at this point a whole set of hardware groups is needed, and 
suggest that starting with a single hardware subgroup be tried
for this reason.

-- 
Drew Eckhardt drew@Colorado.EDU
1970 Landcruiser FJ40 w/350 Chevy power
1982 Yamaha XV920J Virago

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From: sols7520@mach1.wlu.ca (Serge Solski u)
Subject: Re: No cd-rom in Slack2!
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 1994 16:39:46 GMT


        I'm still having the exact same problem. I made the CDROM
read-only, and that didn't work. I recompiled the kernel (several times)
and that didn't work. I did about a thousand (no...ten thousand) other
things that don't work. Does anyone know how to fix this annoying problem
for us CDU31A users?


        -Mark
-- 
"Key chuckles. 'If Skinny Puppy, in terms of the movie _Alien_, is a
chest-burster, then Doubting Thomas is more of a face-hugger,' he informs,
as if that were an explanation."
                                                        -Keyboard, Jan '92

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