Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #602
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sat, 13 Aug 94 11:13:16 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #602, Volume #2                Sat, 13 Aug 94 11:13:16 EDT

Contents:
  Can't find answers in FAQ, asking for advice on two hrdwr quests. (Ken Mcdonald)
  Re: Boca 8 Port Board - Great For Linux (Michael Bongartz)
  Re: Is Windose an OS? (Answer) (Happy Guy)
  Re: starting X automatically on installing linux distribution (Rob Janssen)
  Re: [Q]: Slack - ram mem reqs (Rob Janssen)
  Re: XON/XOFF (again) and "efax" HELP!!!! (Rob Janssen)
  Video capture boards, anyone? (Joseph W. Vigneau)
  Another satisfied customer (root)
  Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion) (Tim Smith)
  Re: Problem with multiple tar-archive (Harald Milz)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Peter Wiley - Poultry)
  Re: starting X automatically on installing linux distribution (Sujat Jamil)
  Re: NeXTStep BETA on PPC? (Steve Kanefsky)
  Re: ET4000/w32i? How well supported?  (peter hill)
  Re: comp.os.linux.hardware.* (Matt Welsh)
  Re: Cannot keep XON/XOFF flow control (Ziniu "Michael" Wei)
  Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion) (Rick Kelly)
  Re: Usefulness of BSD/Linux Source Knowledge (was BSD vs. LINUX) (Rick Kelly)
  Repost: problems with X (Boye Olusanya)
  Re: Term119: Compile Problems (ADAM P JENKINS)

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From: mcdonald@cs.sfu.ca (Ken Mcdonald)
Subject: Can't find answers in FAQ, asking for advice on two hrdwr quests.
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 1994 08:13:24 GMT


I couldn't find answers to these two questions in my Linux FAQ (not the
most recent FAQ, but pretty recent), and would like to request help from
those with more knowledge than I (I just hope my system's got enough
disk space to handle all the replies :-) )

I've ordered a system from Quantex, and intend (obviously) to run Linux.
Now the questions:

1) Quantex is shipping it with a 64-bit PCI VRAM video card based on
(I hope I took this down right) the CL3234 chipset.  (Or might that be
the name of the board?)  Does anyone know if there exists an X driver
for this particular board/chipset?  (It's not a Diamond board, at least.)

2) Which tape drives (if any) will work with Linux.  I need to buy some
sort of backup mechanism, which due to cost, is likely to be a tape
drive.

Thanks for the help,
Ken McDonald
mcdonald@cs.sfu.ca

P.S.  Anyone have one of the new 28.8 modems from Midwest Micro yet?
At $160, they seem like a pretty good deal--if they work.

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From: micha@mubo.saar.de (Michael Bongartz)
Subject: Re: Boca 8 Port Board - Great For Linux
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 18:09:37 GMT

On Wed, 10 Aug 1994 06:31:49 GMT in comp.os.linux.misc, Harald Milz (hm@seneca.ix.de) wrote:
: Brian Kramer (bjkramer@pluto.njcc.com) wrote:
: : > I have a slightly used 8 port board for linux.  I upgraded to a 16 port
: : > and need to get rid of this.  It has cables for terminals but cables
: : > for modems are easy to make.  Asking $110.

: Did you operate modem logins with that board, and how? I have a 1004 and can't 
: see how a modem should operate cleanly without DTR, DCD and RI...

I've just an (older) Boca paper here:

"BOCA BB1004/1008: Connect terminals, modems, fax modems, plotters, printers,
and more,...".

IMHO it's (nearly) not possible to (seriously) use a modem without
DTR and DCD. OK - we can live without RI.

Waiting for my BB1008 board,

        Micha

-- 
            Life would be much easier, if we had its source code!

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SnailMail: Michael Bongartz,    Hohe Wacht 18,     66119 Saarbruecken, Germany

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From: chris@vespucci.iquest.com (Happy Guy)
Subject: Re: Is Windose an OS? (Answer)
Date: 11 Aug 1994 19:37:23 -0500

In article <32bta3$l4d@acmez.gatech.edu>,
David Charles Leblanc <gt6977b@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>kevray@MCS.COM (kevin.ray@kray.com) writes:

>DOS.  It allocates memory to apps and handles I/O - these are NOT
>functions typically found in an app, especially DOS apps.  I'd say it
>has all of the qualities of an OS, except bootability.

Uhm what do you think set up all the low level calls that windows uses to
boot? It isn't command.com that is needed it is msdos.sys. Windows *has* to
have that. Notice the name not being windows.sys. Actually almost *every*
dos app allocates memory and handles I/O in fact it would be quite a useless
program if it didn't do either.

Without memory allocation it couldnt have variables of any kind.

Without I/O there would be no interaction at all.

Even a simple hello world program has that :)
-- 
..Chris.Fisher.(chris@iquest.com).................System.Administrator...
..interQuest:.North Alabama's Internet Provider...Voice:.(205).464-8280..
[            "Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yhea it is nethack!@#@!#"             ]

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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: starting X automatically on installing linux distribution
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 1994 09:20:12 GMT

In <32g5tr$tg@darksite.msk.su> avk@darksite.msk.su (Andrew V. Kovalev) writes:

>Mike Suzio (msuzio@tiamat.umd.umich.edu) wrote:
>> wouldn't mind comprehensible man pages and a nice system-administration GUI
>> of some sort (yes, I know some of these are being written).

>That sounds right. But development of user-friendly sysadmin tools is not easy.
>Have a look at Solaris 2.3. Developers tried to make it unnecessary to modify any
>configs by hand and to do all the administration via so-called admintool. It is a 
>real pain do something non-trivial (enable uucp, ppp or any other useful feature)..

>I guess it is possible and wise to make a set of GUI tools to ease routine tasks
>such as adding users, backing up etc. But I hardly imagine a tool that would change
>sendmail.cf for me :)

Most important of all, IMHO, is that any GIU admin tool should ONLY use
and manipulate the EXISTING configuration files on the underlying system.

Some of them choose to maintain their own view on the system, and
generate the traditional configuration files from that view when you
change something.
This may be convenient for the GIU admin tool programmer, but it is
really annoying when you want to make some complicated changes "the
expert way"....

Rob
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development
From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: [Q]: Slack - ram mem reqs
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 1994 09:53:46 GMT

In <32e1j5$qp3@aurns1.aur.alcatel.com> thomjj@aurxc1.aur.alcatel.com (J Jeffrey Thomas) writes:

>excuse the cross postings, I tried this question in the help group and 
>got only one response (maybe everyone there is asking questions?). 
>Hopefully a broader audience will help.

>I'm trying to install the latest release of Slackware. This is my
>first try with Slackware or Linux.
>I have a 386DX machine, with 2 meg of RAM, and 270meg of hard disk.

Linux has worked on 2meg machines in the past, but it may well be that
this is no longer the case.
Even in the past, it was a problem to run "fancy install scripts" and
you would have to install it by hand, adding swapspace as early as
possible.

Anyway, if you want to do something useful you will need at least 4MB.

Rob
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: XON/XOFF (again) and "efax" HELP!!!!
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 1994 09:59:49 GMT

In <32ea0d$jm8@inferno.mpx.com.au> jhonan@jolt.mpx.com.au (Jamie Honan) writes:

>BTW, 1.1.42 (for me) excercises a limitation in efax. My modem
>has large buffer sizes, and I suspect more data is being buffered
>in the serial driver than previously. The author of efax is on holidays, so
>I am taking the liberty of posting a small diff here, in case others
>face a smilar problem. It is more noticable when connecting to fax devices
>operating at low speeds (2400 and 4800 bps devices).

>The author has assumed a maximum fixed time for the flushing of output data.
>My patches are to simply calculate what that time should be more accurately.

Indeed the new drivers buffer more data on output, I have also seen this
with another application.
However, the fix for this should IMHO not involve tricky timing.  You can
wait for all data being physically sent to the serial port using a
tcdrain(fd), and you will not be dependent on tricky timing issues.

Rob
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From: joev@garden.WPI.EDU (Joseph W. Vigneau)
Subject: Video capture boards, anyone?
Date: 13 Aug 1994 06:30:54 GMT

Hello, all.

Are there any supported video input boards, with drivers out there?
I'd like to toy around with one of these.. Maybe a poor man's
videoconferecing or something...

Any info would be appreciated!  Reply here, there are probably others
interested...

-- 
joev@wpi.edu, joev@hotblack.gweep.net          WPI Computer Science     Linux!
    <a href="http://www.wpi.edu:8080/~joev"> Click Here! </a>

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From: root@carrie (root)
Subject: Another satisfied customer
Date: 13 Aug 1994 01:17:26 GMT

I just wanted to take this oportunities to thank the Linux development
team.  I've recently installed a Linux system at a client which
hand;les all mail using smail and pop3 w/Eudora, is a major news
site (carries most hierarchies), contains 2 ethernet cards, and is
connected to the internet.  All works flawlessly.  Thanks all!

                                        - Mike


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From: tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion)
Date: 10 Aug 1994 19:29:43 GMT

In article <Cu1zEz.K2t@hawnews.watson.ibm.com>,  <dylan@vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>You have to _shut down_ your machine to put a SCSI device on it?
>Tell me the vendor name so I can avoid it at all costs! If I need to
>get a CD-ROM on our machine, I just plug it onto the external SCSI
>device connector, put a terminator on it, and run the config manager,
>all of which takes less than 30 seconds.

Some people have an aversion to frying their drive and/or host adaptor.

--Tim Smith

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From: hm@seneca.ix.de (Harald Milz)
Subject: Re: Problem with multiple tar-archive
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 21:15:34 GMT
Reply-To: hm@seneca.ix.de

Peter Mann (mann@hrz-ws1.hrz.uni-kassel.de) wrote:
: > does someone know how can I read a multiple diskette tar-archive, 
: > which is written on AIX. I use linux-tar with -M option. The
: > first diskette does work correctly, but behind I put the second
: > diskette its apears a error message from tar. 

If you use GNU tar on both systems, everything works fine. I regularly
backup lots of data on 6150 tapes on an RS6k and restore them on my
Linux box without problems. The AIX "multi-volume" format is incompatible
with the GNU tar format on your Linux box. :(

-- 
Harald Milz (hm@seneca.ix.de)

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From: peter@prospect.anprod.csiro.au (Peter Wiley - Poultry)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: 12 Aug 1994 00:41:27 GMT



IMO, Linux is *already* suitable for use in commercial sites as:
  a file server running Samba (*much* cheaper than NTAS or netware, reliable)
  a mail/news server
  a C developer's platform running GCC etc.
  and probably a lot of other things of which I am ignorant.

However, most businesses are running DBMS apps of various flavours. Until the
vendors support Linux with ports, a VAR is taking a large risk for little
savings. We all know how, when there's a problem, vendor A says it's vendor B's
fault - and vice versa. Using an unsupported OS is giving the DBMS vendor a
perfect out.

This is the situation *today*. Next year may be different; hopefully better. I
have moved from CYBER mainframes to VAX to BSD unix to various other unix
flavours as the price/performance tradeoff has altered. As soon as Linux is 
useable for my needs, I'll switch. It's just not an ideological fixation with
me. The cost of OS has fallen w.r.t. other applications. What would be a *real*
killer app for Linux would be a robust embedded SQL/C language with the full
functionality of Oracle's or Informix's ESQL/C and a back-end database server
to go with it. So far, I haven't seen one but, the net's so big that I may
easily have missed something (I'm aware of Minerva).

This is peripheral to Unixware so I'm saying no more on this thread.

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From: sujat@shasta.ee.umn.edu (Sujat Jamil)
Subject: Re: starting X automatically on installing linux distribution
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 1994 07:41:27 GMT

In article <32gf7j$2r4@solaria.cc.gatech.edu>,
Byron A Jeff <byron@gemini.cc.gatech.edu> wrote:
>The posts for this thread are getting longer and longer. I'll summarize and
>Sujat can add whatever he likes to what I list as his points list.

I'll take that opportunity.  I promise to be brief.

>
>Sujat's Points (my perception)
>1) Linux needs a GUI to compete with other PC based OS's.

*not* necessarily to compete, but to excel, to pioneer an OS that's *both*
friendly and powerful.  Yes, I do think a good GUI is an essential
component of a modern OS.

>2) X should be presented as a default for Linux at installation time.

With the option for text, if not enough resources available.

>3) Any type of GUI environment (even 640x480x16) is better than text.

(As a starting point.  Not necessarily in absolute terms.)

4) A GUI based abstraction layer allows OS's internal capability
(multitasking, virtual memory, networking etc.) to be exploited for
better system performance and user satisfaction while not making it
*essential* for the user to be more closely involved with the OS.


>
>My Points
>1) Many PCs have insufficient resources to run X effectively.

Agreed.  But fewer *new* PCs fall into this category.

>2) The baseline (640x480x16) is almost unusable.

Don't agree.  At least usable as a starting point for a graphical environment. 

>3) Novices would be put off if X didn't function as well as OS/2 or Windows.

Don't agree.  (Recall 640x480x16 is also OS/2 and Windows default.)

>4) Hiding what's going on from the user by adding an abstraction layer is a
>   disservice to the user if the user doesn't understand the underlaying 
>   layers. The solution here is to add transitional layers showing the user
>   how to utilize the system at all layers so that they can pick an appropriate
>   tool at an appropriate layer to do the job.


Agreed, and that I believe is one of my points too.
But, don't *compell* the user to learn, rather *encourage* the user.

>
>and most importantly
>
>5) Linux doesn't have a need to compete with other PC based OS's. My personal
>   vested interest in getting other folks to use Linux is so that I don't have
>   to support DOS/Windows installations and to maximize the utility of each
>   PC available. 


Partially agree.  Linux doesn't necessarily need to compete with other
PC based OS's per se, but it does need to be both more powerful *and*
easy to use to encourage people to switch from other simpler
environments like DOS/Windows.  "Maximiz[ing] utility of each PC
availaible" is a mission that I also agree with.

So:

My bottom line:


I'd like to see maximum utilization and user satisfaction come out of
each PC.  I don't believe windows/os2 etc can do this.  Linux can do
this but as it stands it's audience is limited to the adventerous and
persistent. For a much expanded audience, (so that reaching out to "each"
PC is possible),  Linux needs to be *just* as easy to use, and perhaps
much easier, as windows/os2 is.  A multi-layered GUI based abstraction
can make this possible, with the option being always available for closer
(e.g. shell-based) interaction with the OS.

>
>As Sujat said we agree to disagree.

Agreed.  Although, I don't think we disagree that much after all. :)

>
>Later,
>
>BAJ
>-- 
>Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
>Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
>Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu


Sujat





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Sujat Jamil                                             Electrical Engineering
Graduate Research Assistant                             University of Minnesota
******************************sujat@shasta.ee.umn.edu**************************

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From: kanefsky@halcyon.halcyon.com (Steve Kanefsky)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.powerpc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXTStep BETA on PPC?
Date: 12 Aug 1994 16:48:24 GMT

In article <SPERKINS.94Aug11092228@osage.csc.ti.com>,
Stephen J. Perkins <sperkins@osage.csc.ti.com> wrote:
>
>In article <32bsap$jj2@sefl.satelnet.org> mraja@satelnet.org (mraja) writes:
>>> 
>>>  For what i know, at this time it's not possible to use NEXTSTEP
>>>  on PPC, but who knows if it is possible, if we use an ORANGE CARD ?
>>>  And is it possible to use LINUX with such a card
>>> 
>> Well.....from what I have heard. Developers already have NeXTStep
>>running on PPC....but dont really know if they are gonna release it.
>>I *heard* that on some WWW site...i think..i might be wrong.
>
>I had heard through the grapevine that the NRW (which some claimed to
>use dual Moto 88100 or some such) was really running dual PPCs.  Have
>no idea as to the truth of the statement.  Hoewver, it does lead one
>to ponder...

Yes, and it's been running on 68040's for years, yet there is no version 
that will run on any 68040-based Mac.

In other words:

1)  There's a big difference between running on the same CPU and running 
on the same system.

2) There's a big difference between running in a lab and releasing a
product. 

--
Steve Kanefsky

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From: phill@xesets.demon.co.uk (peter hill)
Subject: Re: ET4000/w32i? How well supported? 
Reply-To: phill@xesets.demon.co.uk
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 14:15:58 +0000

In article <CuBn48.4to@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> calemon@sunee.uwaterloo.ca writes:

> In article <CuAF6p.Gq3@murdoch.acc.virginia.edu>,
> Larry Doolittle <doolittle@cebaf.gov> wrote:
> >Craig A. Lemon  VE3XCL (calemon@sunee.uwaterloo.ca) wrote:

set snip on .....
> Basically I can get a decent ET4000W32i VLB for about CAN$130.  I can get a
> true colour ATI VGA WONDER Mach32 for CAN$175-CAN$185.  I'm trying to decide.
> I've used the ET4000 (no W32i) under Linux at work once and it was flawless,
set snip off .....

I recently bought an ET4000 W32i in the guise of "Tentec" (a Taiwanese
clone card) for UK100 and am extremely impressed !

It flies under DOS and Windows (apologies for talking dirty !!) but with
X it is even more impressive. I recently bought an IDEK 17" display
and set Xconfig for 1152x900 with an appropriate dot clock and am more
than pleased with the results.

As soon as Doom is available for X, DOS will disappear from my hard disk and
I promise never to touch it again !!

Peter.

-- 
peter hill

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From: mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: comp.os.linux.hardware.*
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 01:46:22 GMT

In article <32e56c$mjt@csnews.cs.Colorado.EDU> drew@frisbee.cs.Colorado.EDU (Drew Eckhardt) writes:
>I think a comp.os.linux.hardware newsgroup would probably be useful, 
>since Linux users have different hardware needs than the DOS users 
>who frequent comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.*.

It is true that hardware needs are different. However, such a group would 
probably end up deluged with most (or at least a signifcant portion) of 
the questions currently found on c.o.l.help. Do a quick scan of the 
subject lines in .help---I think you'll see that a great many of them are 
hardware-related. Effectively renaming c.o.l.help to c.o.l.hardware does 
not do much to solve the problem.

A newsgroup alone does not help people to find answers to their
questions. A hardware survey/database, or other hardware-compatibility 
documentation, would be significantly better. In fact, you'd need
this in order for a hardware group to be effective.

In my opinion, we should attempt this approach before creating Yet Another 
Newsgroup. This idea is long overdue---any takers?

mdw

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
From: ziniuwei@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Ziniu "Michael" Wei)
Subject: Re: Cannot keep XON/XOFF flow control
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 00:59:24 GMT

I have the exact same problem on my GVC modem.  If I ever use SLIP, I
have to reboot my machine to use efax.  Minicom and seyon doesn't
affect the XON/XOFF.

Bruce Parkin (parki005@gold.tc.umn.edu) wrote:
> I have a Telebit WorldBlazer modem with FAX capability. I've been
> trying to get "efax" to work, with little success. From what I can
> tell, XON/XOFF flow control will just not work. I have all tried all
> the possible register settings, with no success. With a 9600 bps mod. 
> rate I am getting thruputs of greater than 12,000 bps; as well as
> a warning about extra XON/XOFF characters at the start of transmision.

> As the man page states, this seems to indicate that flow control is
> not functioning; I can verify this just by watching the lites on the
> modem. 

> Then I picked up some cheap commercial software (E-FAX) that I installed
> and ran on the DOS/Windows partition, and faxes flow just fine. (with
> just a plain old &F8 setting - what you would expect). When I switch
> back over to Linux, IFF I do not reset the modem, the Linux e-fax 
> works just fine, also. But ONCE the modem is reset (for SLIP/UUCP), I
> can not get XON/XOFF flow control to kick in again.

> All register settings for the modem are identical, before and after
> the reset. XON/XOFF just won't work after.

> I don't think it is the modem, since on the DOS side it functions
> just fine. 

> And I the writer of "efax" is on vacation till September sometime.

> Any one know what is going on, and how to fix this? Help?

> Bruce Parkin

> bruce.parkin-1@umn.edu


--
Ziniu Wei               CEDAR, SUNY at Buffalo       ziniuwei@cs.buffalo.edu
~{@O3LPrT1S@T62;K@#,K{CGV;JGLx5=PB5D5XV7~}
Old programmers never die, they just branch to a new address.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.coherent
From: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Subject: Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion)
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 1994 12:39:30 GMT

Dan Pop (danpop@cernapo.cern.ch) wrote:
: In <9408081557.24@rmkhome.com> rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly) writes:

: >Dan Pop (danpop@cernapo.cern.ch) wrote:
: >: In <9408042225.16@rmkhome.com> rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly) writes:
: >
: >: >
: >: >Every UNIX box has a tape drive.
: >
: >: You must be kidding, aren't you? Less than 10% of the Unix workstations
: >: I've seen have a tape drive. If you have the Unix boxes connected to a
: >: LAN, you don't need a tape drive on each machine.
: >
: >At work, every system that needs a tape drive, gets a tapedrive.

And every UNIX system needs a tape drive.  Basic 150 mb cartridge tape is
still the default media for shipping software.

And Pyramid still ships it's OS on nine track tape.

: This is quite a different statement than the initial one. And I guess that
: the statement:

: "At work, every system that needs a CD-ROM drive, gets a CD-ROM drive."

: is just as true.

New MS-DOS/Windows boxes seem to come with a CD-ROM drive.  They have to
have it, these days.

The Sun Sparc 1000 comes with a CD-ROM drive.  It has to have it for loading
the OS and application software.

Other Sun boxes are loaded from a CD-ROM drive before they are put on the
network.

: >
: >Maybe you like to sit around for hours trying to back up hundreds of
: >computers to a handful of tapedrives.

: Network backup software exists precisely to back up hundreds of
: computers on a single tape drive. Except for changing the tape, you
: don't have to waste too much time with the backup process, it works
: pretty well unattended.

We back up separate development environments using our own back up
software.  One machine per tape.  

: And the bigger shops have better options. Our AFS servers are backed up
: on the tape robot of our mainframe.
: >
: >Fur personal use, I have no need for a CD-ROM drive, so why should I
: >buy one before the need occurs?

: Assuming you're not using MSDOS for personal use, the need for a CD-ROM
: drive might occur sooner than you think. The software companies are more
: and more reluctant to deliver software on any other media. Or charge
: significantly more when they do it.

So, do you know of any SMD-E interface CD-ROM drives?


-- 

Rick Kelly  rmk@rmkhome.com  rmk@bedford.progress.com

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Subject: Re: Usefulness of BSD/Linux Source Knowledge (was BSD vs. LINUX)
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 1994 12:48:58 GMT

Orc (orc@pell.com) wrote:
: In article <9408081643.04@rmkhome.com>, Rick Kelly <rmk@rmkhome.com> wrote:

: >The telephone infrastructure of the US is based primarily on the AT&T
: >long distance trunk lines.  MCI, Sprint, etc lease the use of these lines
: >from AT&T.

:   Don't know about MCI, but in the southwest (at least) Sprint has
: its own fiber-optic lines, laid in part along the right of way of
: the Southern Pacific Railroad.

In general, they don't seem to bury lines in New England.

The only glass lines are owned by AT&T/Nynex.

I've never seen a Sprint or MCI truck.

:                  ____
:    david parsons \bi/ And doesn't the M in MCI mean microwave?
:                   \/

The M stands for Mercenary.


-- 

Rick Kelly  rmk@rmkhome.com  rmk@bedford.progress.com

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From: olusanyo@cs.man.ac.uk (Boye Olusanya)
Subject: Repost: problems with X
Date: 13 Aug 1994 14:54:47 GMT

I had earlier posted this with no response. I an a newbie to Linux and just acquired the
slackware pro 2 cd rom. I have a 486dx25 with  16 meg of ram and a bog standard archaic vga
(I thought) monitor 16 colours with 256 k ram. The problem is running X. I ran SuperProbe on
the system and this came back with MCGA. The monitor I might add is a Compaq one. I thne ran
MakeCards and this produced a card with no value !!!! in any of its fields an attempt was
made to put in what I though were the right values. At first after running startx the screen
would go totally blue and stay that way. Later on I kept getting an error message saying that
no graphics device was found for the configured drivers. This aslo tells me it is looking at
a list of configured Vga256 graphics devises (jeez I wish).  So what am I doing wrong and is
there someone out there with an Xconfig file to prevent me losing whta is left of my hair.


Thanks

Boye 

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From: apj@twain.ucs.umass.edu (ADAM P JENKINS)
Subject: Re: Term119: Compile Problems
Date: 13 Aug 1994 14:52:28 GMT

Patrick Reijnen (patrickr@cs.kun.nl) wrote:
: In <3278h2$i09@news.u.washington.edu> jeffs@stein1.u.washington.edu (Jeff Skone) writes:

: >Has anyone else experienced difficulties compiling term119 on their remote
: >systems? I've attempted numerous times to compile it on my Ultrix machine
: >(which I'll be dialing from Linux), but keep getting some sort of path
: >errors. I thought by editing the main paths in my Makefile (preceeding 
: >each of them with a '~' character, so as to create all directories within 
: >my HOME dir, vs. on root access sections), this would no longer be a 
: >problem...but to no no avail!:(

: >I issued the MAKE command as "make DO=install ultrix" and would get the 
: >following type of errors, after about 5-8 minutes of compile time:

: >   if [ ! -d ~/usr/local/bin ]; then mkdir ~/usr/local/bin;  else true; fi
: >   mkdir: ~/usr/local/bin: No such file or directory
: >   *** Error code 1

: >   Stop.
: >   *** Error code 1

: >   Stop.


: >Here's the section of my Makefile that I altered (about two pages down):

: >   SHAREDIR=~/usr/local/lib/term
: >   BINDIR=~/usr/local/bin
: >   USERBINDIR=~/bin
: >   MANDIR=~/usr/local/man/man1
: >   USERMANDIR=~/man/man1

: >I double checked to see if the '~/usr/local/bin' directory still existed. 
: >It sure did (empty). (In fact, I had to originally make ALL those 
: >directories. The make script apparently doesn't take care of that.)

: >I also erased all the *.o files and ran the MAKE command sequence again. 
: >Still didn't compile! What's the deal here? I'd appreciate the help!

: First, as it looks like you are installing as user, only the USERBINDIR and USERMANDIR variables are of interest for you. The SHAREDIR is only needed is you want to run term in SHARED mode. In that case you have to compile term using the 'DO=installshare' make option. BINDIR and MANDIR are only of interest when you install term as root which you are not.

: Second, instead of using '~/bin' etc. try using either '$HOME/bin' etc. or '<full_path_name_of_your_home>/bin' etc.


: Hope This works,



: Patrick Reijnen





        Or do what I did and just type 'make ultrix' and then install
the binaries manually.  Something to try if you're still having
trouble after trying the above suggestion.

--Adam
apj@twain.ucs.umass.edu

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