Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #600
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Date:     Sat, 13 Aug 94 02:13:09 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #600, Volume #2                Sat, 13 Aug 94 02:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  SVGA lib on S3 801 (Ziniu "Michael" Wei)
  Re: [BUG] in cp (copy) on DOS fs. (Bernd U Meyer)
  Re: respawning SLIP (Paul Makeev)
  Re: a more "secure" su? (Paul Makeev)
  rpc.nfsd changing UID [Q] (Paul Makeev)
  Will IDE drives co-exist with MFM drives under Linux? (Sean Gilley)
  Re: Where did "Yggdrasil" come from? (Steve Leak)
  Re: Would Linux *just* run on this setup (Ian McCloghrie)
  Re: 3rd+ IDE Drives (Christopher M. May)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Tom Krotchko)
  Re: Free Motif GUI and API (clone) for Linux (Gustaf Neumann)
  Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion) (Tim Smith)
  Re: 486DX66 and Linux (Dan Wilder)
  Just Computers! B/Os, Motif (Randy Just)
  System Admin Shell? (The Kaoman)
  Re: Linux(slackware) and security (Tom Barringer)
  ! Can I benchmark on your Pentium ?!? (Karl J. Runge)
  BBS SOFTWARE? (Serge Solski u)
  Compu-Add Monitor specs needed (Christopher Mckay)
  GPL'ed code generates matching donations (Russell Nelson)
  Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion) (Rick Kelly)
  Wallpaper under X in Linux (Van Dao Mai)
  Re: Linux(slackware) and security (Bill Kress)
  Re: [BUG] in cp (copy) on DOS fs. (Darin Johnson)
  Re: WANTED: Supplier of PC clone for Linux.... (Russell Webb)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: ziniuwei@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Ziniu "Michael" Wei)
Subject: SVGA lib on S3 801
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 14:58:05 GMT


I found that when I upgrade my Trident 8900d card to a S3 801 card,
the SVGA lib for 800x600 and 1024x768 doesn't work any more.  i.e. zgv
isn't as useful as before.  (of course X works fine).  I like this S3
card 'cause it gives me about 15 times faster on X, but I also like
SVGAlib works on it.  

Doesn't SVGAlib support the S3 chipset?

--
Ziniu Wei               CEDAR, SUNY at Buffalo       ziniuwei@cs.buffalo.edu
~{@O3LPrT1S@T62;K@#,K{CGV;JGLx5=PB5D5XV7~}
Old programmers never die, they just branch to a new address.

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From: berndm@cs.monash.edu.au (Bernd U Meyer)
Subject: Re: [BUG] in cp (copy) on DOS fs.
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 05:38:53 GMT

djohnson@elvis.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:

>> When one does a cp on a DOS partition incorrectly, data
>> can be lost with consumate ease, thus (Note the missing dot):
>> 
>>   cp /dosc/hold/xx.*

>Doesn't this same problem occur with all partitions, not just
>DOS?  It's been a problem on many UNIX systems in the past.
>It won't necessarily be fixed, or even recognized as a real
>problem, anytime soon.

If it is a problem for you, it is easily cured by

alias cp='cp -i'

Bernie
--
"And the band played 'Waltzing Mathilda' /  as we stopped to bury our slain;
And we buried ours / and the Turks buried theirs  | ..... living in Oz ....
And it started all over again"                    | 
(The Pogues, "Waltzing Mathilda", orig by Eric Bogle, "And the band played WM")

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From: Paul Makeev <mac@glas.apc.org>
Date: 10 Aug 94 04:02 GMT+0400
Subject: Re: respawning SLIP

I have cron job that pings my SLIP counterpart once in 30 minutes, and
sensing no response in reasonable time it respawns DIP. If smbdy knows
better way, i would be pleased to know it also.

SY, Paul.

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From: Paul Makeev <mac@glas.apc.org>
Date: 10 Aug 94 01:37 GMT+0400
Subject: Re: a more "secure" su?

"sudo" program is more secure than "su" since it could be easily
configured to support ACLs and many other things.

SY, Paul.

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From: Paul Makeev <mac@glas.apc.org>
Date: 10 Aug 94 01:34 GMT+0400
Subject: rpc.nfsd changing UID [Q]

There is smth strange with rpc.nfsd on my system: the process started
from rc.inet2 randomly changes UID. (I tested it with Linux 1.1.33-41,
and result is the same). No problems with other daemons. Sorry
for posting this topic here, but i get no answer from comp.os.linux.help.

SY, Paul.

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From: slg@slgsun.cb.att.com (Sean Gilley)
Subject: Will IDE drives co-exist with MFM drives under Linux?
Reply-To: sean.l.gilley@att.com
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 21:00:30 GMT

I've got a chance to buy about 600M of ESDI Drives plus controller,
that I am told look like MFM drives to the computer.  I've already
got an IDE controller and two drives that I don't want to give up.

Will they co-exist and will Linux support them both at the same
time?

Thanks,

Sean.

---
Sean L. Gilley
sean.l.gilley@att.com
614 860 9053 (h), 614 860 5743 (w)

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From: stevelea@freenet1.scri.fsu.edu (Steve Leak)
Subject: Re: Where did "Yggdrasil" come from?
Date: 10 Aug 1994 20:50:43 GMT

Kenneth Brody (kenbrody@cloud9.net) wrote:
: Subject says it all.  Does anybody know where the name "Yggdrasil" comes
: from?

Norse mythology. Rather large tree.

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From: ianm@apprentice.qualcomm.com (Ian McCloghrie)
Subject: Re: Would Linux *just* run on this setup
Date: 12 Aug 94 15:51:55 GMT

kenneth@bbs.sas.ntu.ac.sg (Kenneth Tan) writes:

>[forget about X! it crawls even on my 486DX50 Vesa, 4Mb RAM, 540MB HD]

The problem with your 486 is the memory.  Boost that memory to 8M or
(better yet) 16M, and X performance will increase *dramatically*.

--
____
\bi/  Ian McCloghrie      | FLUG:  FurryMUCK Linux User's Group
 \/   email: ian@ucsd.edu | Card Carrying Member, UCSD Secret Islandia Club
GCS (!)d-(--) p c++ l++(+++) u+ e- m+ s+/+ n+(-) h- f+ !g w+ t+ r y*

The above represents my personal opinions and not necessarily those
of my employer, Qualcomm Inc.

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From: cmay@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Christopher M. May)
Subject: Re: 3rd+ IDE Drives
Date: 10 Aug 1994 20:13:25 GMT

Robert A. Hayden (hayden@vorlon.mankato.msus.edu) wrote:

: Is it possible to use a 3rd and fourth IDE drive (assuming no inturrupt
: conflict)?  If so, what patches or kernels are needed (I'm running 1.1.13
: with the IDE Performance patch)?  I haven't upgraded to a kernel >1.1.13 

Well, I use a second IDE controller with kernel 1.1.23, which
patched cleanly with:

/pub/Linux/kernel/patches/diskdrives/atdisk2-ide2.diff.gz

from sunsite.unc.edu.

As far as I can tell, this should work for you too.
--

-Chris May, Computer Science, University of MA, Amherst
-       Technical Assistant, P.C. Maintenance Lab


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From: tomk@access.digex.net (Tom Krotchko)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: 13 Aug 1994 02:15:47 GMT

In article <32fvne$50n@hawk.ee.port.ac.uk>, mike@hobbit.hum.port.ac.uk (Mike Meredith) says:

>Do you know about the patches that will allow Linux to run SCO Unix 
>binaries ? I haven't tried them myself, so I don't know how useful they 
>are, but if they work well it should be possible to run Informix, Oracle, 
>etc.

Not to be flip...I think Linux is great, myself...but the cost of the OS
on a box that's running Sybase, for instance, is negligable.  A
64 user license of Sybase is somewhere between $6000-9000.  The cost of the
hardware to run it is another $15,000 (not counting the physical network).

Whether an OS costs $0.00 or $1,000 doesn't seem all that important.

Tom Krotchko
<tomk@access.digex.net>

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.motif
From: neumann@watson.ibm.com (Gustaf Neumann)
Subject: Re: Free Motif GUI and API (clone) for Linux
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 22:12:18 GMT

In article <1994Aug10.135640.2108@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> from [Wed, 10 Aug 1994 13:56:40 GMT]
 daveh@texlin.minmet.mcgill.ca (Dave Hinz)  wrote:
 |> My question:  what widget set is used by tcl/tk?  I know that there is
 |> a Motif wrapper in the works but without it what do the apps look like?
 |> Are they just the Athena widgets--are they nice in appearance like Motif?
 
 tcl/tk uses the Tk widget set for which some non-tcl bindings are under
 development as well (eg: for Perl 5 and Python).
 
 There are two projects combining Tcl and OSF/Motif:
 Wafe (i am one of the authors) and tclMotif (by Jan Newmarch).
 i am concentration here on Wafe for obvious reasons. 

 Wafe is a Tcl extension with bindings (commands) to access Motif
 widgets and commands (among other widget classes such as HTML, 
 Plotter etc). The Motif binary for Wafe is called mofe.
 
 One can obtain a static mofe binaries compiled with OSF/Motif 1.2.3 for
 Linux 1.0 from ftp.wu-wien.ac.at:pub/src/X11/wafe/*. With this
 binaries, it is possible to write Motif applications
 
   ... in Tcl (mofe scripts)
   ... in Perl 4.x (mofeperl = one binary: perl + mofe)
   ... in Python (mofepython = one binary: perl + python)  
   ... in any language by using mofe as a frontend process (which was
      one the original motivations behind Wafe)

 No Motif license is needed to use the static mofe binary for program 
 development or usage. I think, there is a static tclMotif binary for Linux
 available as well
 
 Hope this helps
 
 -gustaf neumann
PS: there is a wafe mailing list at listserv@wu-wien.ac.at. Instructions for
subscriptions etc are in the Wafe README file on the ftp server mentioned above.
--
Gustaf Neumann                     neumann@watson.ibm.com
Postdoctoral/Visiting Scientist    Tel: (914) 784 7086
IBM T.J.Watson Research Center, P.O.Box 704
Yorktown Heights, New York 10598


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From: tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion)
Date: 10 Aug 1994 19:38:56 GMT

In article <9408071814.53@rmkhome.com>, Rick Kelly <rmk@rmkhome.com> wrote:
>: $100.  Buy the CD-Rom Drive.  It won't cost you any more than buying Linux
>: on tape media would.
>
>Linux on tape would cost over $300?

Where do you get $300 from?  A double speed CD-ROM with controller is easy
to get for $140.  Single speed is under $90.

--Tim Smith

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From: danw@connected.com (Dan Wilder)
Subject: Re: 486DX66 and Linux
Date: 11 Aug 1994 23:42:23 -0700

Various folk write:

>[stuff deleted]

>>: I own a Intel 486-66 Overdrive (same as 486 DX 2 - 66) and it takes around
>>: 20 minutes to compile the kernel
>>
>>My Pentium 66 will do it in about 13 minutes.  Very nice, considering
>>that my old 386-33 w/ 4Megs RAM would take between 4 and 6 *HOURS*.

Funny.  My old 386-25 (64k cache) took 4-6 hours when it had 4M of RAM 
in it.  Then I added a 3M 120 ns 16-bit RAM expansion card from the 
swapmeet and voila! Now it only takes an hour, just three times as long
as my 486-66 with 16M RAM and VLB IDE disks.  Makes me think a 386-25
with 16M RAM would probably compile the kernel in about 40 minutes.

>My DX2/50 takes about 15 minutes (I'm using an analog clock so don't hold
>me for exact timeings).  32Mb Ram and cached IDE card with
>4 Mb probally helps this.  

---
Dan Wilder

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From: rjust@crl.com (Randy Just)
Subject: Just Computers! B/Os, Motif
Date: 12 Aug 1994 08:55:33 -0700


Just a quick announcement to those that have ordered Slackware Professional
from Just Computers!  All backorders have been shipped.  If you haven't
received your product yet, it should be arriving on your doorstep very
shortly.   

The initial feedback about this product has been excellent.  All comments
have been very favorable.  

A special price is available for SWiM, an OSF/Motif compatible for Linux
for those that have purchased Slackware Professional from Just Computers!
This is a just recently released product, verion 1.2.4

Just $124.95  That is a full $25.00 off the list price of $149.95

Happy Linuxing!!!

Randy Just              | Voice: 707-769-1648        | Resellers of LINUX on
Just Computers!         |   FAX: 707-765-2447        | CD-ROM  
P.O. Box 751414         | Email: rjust@justcomp.com  | Visa/MC, International
Petaluma, CA 94975-1414 | MServer: info@justcomp.com (say "help" in message

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From: kao@gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Kaoman)
Subject: System Admin Shell?
Date: 13 Aug 1994 03:18:04 GMT

Are there any System Administration shells avaiable for Linux, such as the
ones avaiable in other brands (SCO for example).  If so, where may I FTP
these from?  I've looked through sunsite, and haven't found any ... am I 
just not looking in the right place?

Thanks in adnvance .. and reply via email if possible
the kaoman
kao@gnu.ai.mit.edu



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From: tomb@bedford.progress.COM (Tom Barringer)
Crossposted-To: alt.flame.spelling
Subject: Re: Linux(slackware) and security
Date: 12 Aug 1994 20:09:13 GMT
Reply-To: tomb@progress.com

In article <DHOLLAND.94Aug11181239@husc7.harvard.edu>, dholland@husc7.harvard.edu (David Holland) writes:
> <Attribution intentionally omitted to protect the guilty...>
> 
>  > I was wondering if there is a good source of info about Linux and security
>  > Preferrably free but I would like to know how to set up accounts and create
>  > groups and make sure that my system isn't holy!
> 
> Use curses, and run lots of daemons.

Allow hosts of which's.

--
Tom Barringer      : Progress Software Corp.   : The Tall Conspiracy is looking
QA Development     : 14 Oak Park               : for members.  Please see the
tomb@progress.com  : Bedford, MA  01730        : recruitment flyer posted on
GEnie: T.Barringer : #include <std/disclaim.i> : the top of your refrigerator.
HREF="ftp://ftp.progress.com/tomb/tomb.html"

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From: runge@redhook.llnl.gov (Karl J. Runge)
Subject: ! Can I benchmark on your Pentium ?!?
Date: 12 Aug 1994 07:05:29 GMT


Hi, this is a strange request I know, but I'm in a bit of a jam.
I am trying to justify the price/performance of the Pentium 90
over the AIX's and Sparcs at work by making my workstation a P90
with a $5000 equipment grant we got. Since our group does *alot*
of number crunching there is legitimate concern about bringing in
"cheap PeeCee's"

So won't you help me get some estimates of our code run times with
Pentium? I have benchmarked my 486 50MHz extensively, and as expected,
it is very close to a Sparc II. "Folklore" based arguments suggest the
P90 might be 5 times faster. If so that's good for my cause. 

Thank you,

Karl Runge 

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From: sols7520@mach1.wlu.ca (Serge Solski u)
Subject: BBS SOFTWARE?
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 03:34:43 GMT


        I'm looking for BBS software that runs under LINUX. Basically, I
want just an easy-to-use menu system for the users, a la BBS's, with the
option of a shell for more advanced users. Is anything like this
available? I've seen Gopher configured like this, is that feasable?

        -Mark
-- 
"Key chuckles. 'If Skinny Puppy, in terms of the movie _Alien_, is a
chest-burster, then Doubting Thomas is more of a face-hugger,' he informs,
as if that were an explanation."
                                                        -Keyboard, Jan '92

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From: cmckay@larry.wyvern.com (Christopher Mckay)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Compu-Add Monitor specs needed
Date: 10 Aug 94 21:50:59 GMT

I have a Compu-Add monitor model # 51109. It came without
the specs. (I believe the monitor was returned to them) Anyways
since I don't have the specs , I am unable to properly configure
XFree86 2.1. I called their 1800 number and basically got the 
run around two times. All they would tell me is that is is a
vga non-interlaced monitor operating at 72hz. If someone
out their has access  to the specs could you please mail
them to me. I need the resolutions supported the the max
bandwidth, the vertical frequencies, etc. I am in desperate
need of assistance. Or if someone has a xxonfig file with the
correct timings,etc for this monitor please e-mail me that.
Thanks a lot
                Chris
                cmckay@infi.net






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From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: GPL'ed code generates matching donations
Date: 13 Aug 1994 03:25:08 GMT

In the September issue of Wired Magazine, Linus Torvalds, author of
Linux, says that he's written slightly less than half the code in the
kernel at this point.  Well, that just about matches my estimation of
the amount of packet driver code I had written prior to going pro.  My
conclusion: if you're write free software, and distribute source,
you're going to halve your development effort.

--
-russ <nelson@crynwr.com>    http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html
Crynwr Software   | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key
11 Grant St.      | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX)  | What is thee doing about it?
Potsdam, NY 13676 | LPF member - ask me about the harm software patents do.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.coherent
From: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Subject: Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion)
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 1994 00:05:10 GMT

David Willmore (willmore@iastate.edu) wrote:
: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly) writes:

: >Yes, it keeps them from taking out the CD and putting in one of there 
: >own.

: Doesn't putting a little sign saying "CDROM in use by SYSADMIN--DON'T
: TOUCH" work for you?  Are your users clueless or just insolent?

I'm talking about a computer room with hundreds of systems.

: >The only tasks that I have used CD's for are loading Solaris 1.x and
: >2.x, and loading Oracle on Suns.  None of these three tasks are applicable
: >to my personal uses.

: Ahh, that changes things.  You now have my pitty.  At least you aren't
: doing this for yourself.  That would get you contempt. :)

: >I don't use MSDOS or Windows 3.x.  I haven't run DOS here since 1990.
: >So I don't need a CD drive for Microsoft drivel.

: Here here!

: >At work, every system that needs a tape drive, gets a tapedrive.

: That seems to me to be highly cost ineffective.  CDROM players are
: cheaper than tape drives--by a good margin.

YHeah, but it's hard to back up to a CDROM drive.

: >Maybe you like to sit around for hours trying to back up hundreds of
: >computers to a handful of tapedrives.

: I backed up 14 gig twice a week to 1 2gig DAT drive.  It wasn't
: difficult at all.  How much storage are you dealing with?  An 8mm
: drive can handle 5-10 gig fairly easily.  That can cover quite a few
: 'typical' workstations.  How much do you have to back up?

The average porting machine has 4+ megs of data.  During the critical
period of ports they get backed up every night by cron.

: >Fur personal use, I have no need for a CD-ROM drive, so why should I
: >buy one before the need occurs?

: This smacks of "I haven't used one before so I don't need one now."  
: Better known as the 'fear to think' syndrome.  Change happens.  Getting
: used to that is a good idea. 

If someone were to gice me a SCSI CDROM drive tomorrow, all I would be
able to say is that the power light comes on and it doesn't screw up
my SCSI bus.

From what I can see, Linux, FreeBSD, and NetBSD CD disks are all out of
date by the time they hit the street.


-- 

Rick Kelly  rmk@rmkhome.com  rmk@bedford.progress.com

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From: mai@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au (Van Dao Mai)
Subject: Wallpaper under X in Linux
Date: 12 Aug 1994 16:29:15 +1000

Hello folks,
   I run the default "runx" under Linux that starts fvwm. I like the fvwm
for its speed and fancy colours. However Openlook certainly has more 
in its default configuration for people who do not want to hack.
   I reckon X still has a long way to go toward an object-oriented
interface to compete with  Windows or OS/2.

   I did manage to make the display more interesting though. By modifying
the .xinitrc to start .openwin-init I could make use of OLWM to save the
desktop for me. Is there any better way to do this?

   I also write a small shell script package that allows XV to be fired up
in background at intervals to load new images to the root X window. It
features
   - 60 most popular colour selections for the background colour at
     the finger tip
   - Time setting for distance between the displaying of images.
   - Global settings of the above values versus local settings per user.

I suppose the whole slide show can be done by XV itself with limitation
and the cost of holding XV all the time in memory. 

Is there any thing out there already doing this nicely? Or any one may
want to try this and give me some comment?

Thanks

Van Dao Mai
Wollongong Australia


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Crossposted-To: alt.flame.spelling
From: kress@kentrox.com (Bill Kress)
Subject: Re: Linux(slackware) and security
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 22:56:46 GMT

>In article <DHOLLAND.94Aug11181239@husc7.harvard.edu>,
>dholland@husc7.harvard.edu (David Holland) writes:
>> <Attribution intentionally omitted to protect the guilty...>
>> 
>>  > I was wondering if there is a good source of info about Linux and security
>>  > Preferrably free but I would like to know how to set up accounts and create
>>  > groups and make sure that my system isn't holy!
>> 
>> Use curses, and run lots of daemons.

>Allow hosts of which's.

It might help to have some zombie processes and be sure to become familiar
with the kill command.


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From: djohnson@elvis.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Subject: Re: [BUG] in cp (copy) on DOS fs.
Date: 10 Aug 1994 20:13:14 GMT

> When one does a cp on a DOS partition incorrectly, data
> can be lost with consumate ease, thus (Note the missing dot):
> 
>   cp /dosc/hold/xx.*

Doesn't this same problem occur with all partitions, not just
DOS?  It's been a problem on many UNIX systems in the past.
It won't necessarily be fixed, or even recognized as a real
problem, anytime soon.

The key is that shell file name expansion is separate from
command execution.  That is, the "*" is expanded long before
"cp" gets a chance to look at it.  (some other os's defer
expansion eliminating this sort of problem, at the expense
of adding more complexity to the command internals)
--
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
    Ensign, activate the Wesley Crusher!

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From: rwebb@panix.com (Russell Webb)
Crossposted-To: biz.comp.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: WANTED: Supplier of PC clone for Linux....
Date: 12 Aug 1994 21:08:04 -0400

In article <32eo4b$1lv@ndlc.occ.uky.edu>,
Andy Beal <bealar@ndlc.occ.uky.edu> wrote:
>I M H Nadiadi (mapimhn@midge.bath.ac.uk) wrote:
>:      * Specialise in Linux/GNU/Xfree86 software (including MS-DOS/Windows).
>Umm, if you find one, tell me.  I am almost 99% sure that no vendors 
>specialize in Linux.  The best you may get is a technician that has ran 
>Linux.  

Linux Journal #4 has ads from three vendors who either specialize in or offer
pre-installed Linux systems:

  Fintronic
    email: linux-sales@fintronic.com
    www: hhtp://www.fintronic.com/linux.catalog.html

  SWT
    email: swt@netcom.com
    ftp: ftp.netcom.com:/pub/swt/info

  PromoX Systems
    email: promox@cup.portal.com

--
Russell Webb
rwebb@panix.com

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