Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #599
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
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Date:     Fri, 12 Aug 94 20:13:09 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #599, Volume #2                Fri, 12 Aug 94 20:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Mail reader over term? (Uwe Bonnes)
  Re: Would Linux *just* run on this setup (Elan Feingold)
  Re: Linux PPP problem (Please, be nice) (Al Longyear)
  Re: starting X automatically on installing linux distribution (Mike Suzio)
  Re: WD Caviar w/Linux (Christopher Michael Joslyn)
  Re: Wallpaper under X in Linux (Rob Janssen)
  Re: REPOST: CXTERM for X11R6 binary uploaded to sunite (Janus Zhuang)
  Re: starting X automatically on installing linux distribution (Sujat Jamil)
  Re: Would Linux *just* run on this setup (Kenneth Tan)
  NetAudio or AudioFile for Linux? (Tessa Lau)
  Re: Cannot keep XON/XOFF flow control (Craig Zeller)
  (*) Crack-4.1 and NIS (*) (South Street North Studios)

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From: bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Uwe Bonnes)
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.sendmail,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Mail reader over term?
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 18:52:17 GMT

In article <32b6bd$t4r@news1.hh.ab.com> freyj@cselc20.cs.hh.ab.com (Jeffrey D. Frey) writes:
>I have just recently set up term2.0.4 on my linux box at home.  I was wondering
>it is possible to set up a mail reader on my local box and then user it over 
>term.  If so what is the best mail reader and how would I go about doing this?
>Thanks for the help in advance.
>

There are two possivbilities: 
You have the sources: Recompile the newsreader with " -include <termnet.h> " and "-ltermnet", where you must put these in the appropriate places and <termnet.h> means the full path.
Or: Find and get versions with term support compiled in. 

I think the first possibility is better, as you can you can use the dynamic linked libraries.

PS: I use xrn6-18

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Uwe Bonnes  bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de

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From: feingold@avette.zko.dec.com (Elan Feingold)
Subject: Re: Would Linux *just* run on this setup
Date: 12 Aug 1994 14:16:54 GMT
Reply-To: feingold@avette.zko.dec.com (Elan Feingold)


> [forget about X! it crawls even on my 486DX50 Vesa, 4Mb RAM, 540MB HD]

The point here is that 4 Mb is not enough to run X.  I have 8 Mb, and
I consider it the _bare_ minimum for X stuff.  Note that I have only 
a 386/SX16 and have done X development for a year or so with it, quite
happily (my S3 card being my only saving grace :) 16Mb is probably more
like the sweet spot...

Elan

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|| Work: 603.881.1115             ||                       - Anonymous       ||
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From: longyear@netcom.com (Al Longyear)
Subject: Re: Linux PPP problem (Please, be nice)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 14:03:44 GMT

monk@cyberspace.com (Robert Mobbs) writes:

>I recently recompiled my kernel to use PPP...it seems to work fine,
>I can initialize a connect with chat and pppd, and get my modem to
>scream at me, and even get as far as the command prompt where I 
>invoke ppp, and I get connected, and all that (running MorningStar
>PPP from my workspace).  However, I am not able to establish a link.
>The problem is contained in the below script, logged by syslog:

>pppd[947]: pppd 2.1.2 started by root, uid 0
>pppd[947]: set_xaccm: 00000000 00000000 00000000 60000000 
>pppd[947]: ioctl(set extended ACCM): Invalid argument

When your new kernel boots does it say "PPP version 0.1.2" by any chance?

If it does, get the updated kernels for slackware from ftp.cdrom.com. They
were corrected on July 16th.

The boot message should say "PPP version 0.2.7".

>Any help would be appreciated...trust me, I know it's a pain to get
>involved with helping someone, but if you don't, I'll make a little
>voodoo doll of you and stick 72-PINS in it.

I don't believe in voodoo. Go ahead. I would only wonder about your sanity
in wanting to keep a pin cushion in the shape of a doll. Perhaps it is
your therapy. :)

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Al Longyear           longyear@netcom.com

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From: msuzio@tiamat.umd.umich.edu (Mike Suzio)
Subject: Re: starting X automatically on installing linux distribution
Date: 10 Aug 1994 14:37:02 -0400

I think overall Linux could go a lot farther in these kinds of areas.  It's
a great idea to at least keep in mind that a lot of the kludgy artifacts of
Unix are just that - artifacts, and there are few reasons to stick to them.
If someone tells me Unix sucks because "you have to use vi", I tell them to
try pico.  If someone tells me that Unix sucks because "It has that shitty
man feature, who can figure that out or get any useful information from
it?" I point them to the "help" feature on our system, which took a day or
two to write and seems to get people moving in the right direction.  

What I'm trying to say is, all these UI issues have little or nothing to
really do with Unix.  Is is user-unfriendly?  Hell yes.  Does it need to be
that way?  Mostly not.  I'm a hacker, I love to be able to do things like
complex command substitutions and arcane shell-incantations, but I also
wouldn't mind comprehensible man pages and a nice system-administration GUI
of some sort (yes, I know some of these are being written).

I'd like to see more people use Linux, mostly because I like to see people
use their brains rather than veg on Windoze.  I also realize that there is
a certain gap here that would need to be bridged to get the non-Unix savvy
to get interested in what Linux can offer them.  Bridging the gap entails
tossing away the mindset that "Unix is a manly OS, we don't need no steenking
user-friendliness!  If you can't hack it, go away!".

Anyway - Id like to see people take a long look at the flak Linux/Unix gets
from the DOS weenies, and see if maybe we can't take some steps to address
these "problems"...  I put the word in quotes, because a lot of these
things just don't need to be this way.  If we never had to manually edit a
system config file again, it would still be Unix, and still be cool,
right?

Friendly disagreement welcome.  Flames to /dev/null, I don't need the
hassle.

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From: chrisj@pvi.com (Christopher Michael Joslyn)
Subject: Re: WD Caviar w/Linux
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 19:05:34 GMT

In article <1994Aug11.211221.25366@hal.depaul.edu>,
Mark Juric <mjuric@fred.cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
>Hi all,
>  After a call to the WD guys (who just whined and said that everybody else's
>drives suck and if you have problems it's the other guy's fault) I decided to
>switch my Maxtor 212 to the slave and my WD 540 to the master.  Sort of a pain
>because the WD was all Linux and I use DOS's startup menu to decide what I was
>going to boot.
>  But... all works well now.  No HD controller errors or anything.  So the
>moral of this story?  WD hard drives *and* their support people are big babies.

As I understand it now after some research and other postings is that
the Western Digital drive needs to be the master drive if the current
master is older than some date (don't know what it is).  The reasoning
being that the Western Digital drive uses the new enhanced IDE interface
which does away with the 520MB limit; you can have up to 8 GB IDE drive
with this interface.  The errors you were seeing were probably from the
master drive (the older one) complaining about the size of the slave
drive (the WD drive one).  So it really isn't the drive being a "big
baby" (I'm not going to touch the one about WD's support people), it is
that the older drive is ignorant about the extended interface.  Even
this being the case, you can't beat $350 for 1,000,000 * 540 bytes (yes,
their definition of MB is 1,000,000 bytes instead of the proper
2^20 or 1,048,576 bytes definition) which comes out to be ~515 real MBs
or about 68 cents a meg.  The WD drives are even a better deal than
that.


 - Chris


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+1 (303) 581-3269      | 6230 Lookout Road       |      je touche!"
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Wallpaper under X in Linux
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 17:36:45 GMT

In <32f4rr$e4j@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au> mai@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au (Van Dao Mai) writes:

>   I also write a small shell script package that allows XV to be fired up
>in background at intervals to load new images to the root X window. It
>features
>   - 60 most popular colour selections for the background colour at
>     the finger tip
>   - Time setting for distance between the displaying of images.
>   - Global settings of the above values versus local settings per user.

>I suppose the whole slide show can be done by XV itself with limitation
>and the cost of holding XV all the time in memory. 

If you want to load images on the root window (background) you may want
to check the "xloadimage" program as well.  It usually runs a bit quicker
than "xv".
To have some really interesting backgrounds, try things like "xfishtank",
"xsnow", etc...

Rob
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From: jz@jupiter.cs.swin.oz.au (Janus Zhuang)
Subject: Re: REPOST: CXTERM for X11R6 binary uploaded to sunite
Date: 12 Aug 94 07:55:32 GMT

umlin000@cc.umanitoba.ca (Zhuo Er Lin) writes:

>I have uploaded cxterm for X11R6 to sunsite. Note that there is no
>fonts included.  Only the binary for cxterm,hztty,tit2cit,cit2tit,
>minimal input methods and manual pages are included.

>If you like it, the sourece is available from

>ftp.x.org:contrib/applications/cxterm-X11R6.tar.gz

Hi Zhuo Er Lin

   I had download the cxterm-X11R6.tar.gz from sunsite.unc.edu two times.
But I cann't unzip it, it is bad CRC on the file. Could you upload it again.
Thank you.

Janus


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From: sujat@shahada.iman.org (Sujat Jamil)
Subject: Re: starting X automatically on installing linux distribution
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 18:44:38 GMT

In article <CuB7y3.Inx@carmen.logica.co.uk>,
Charle Kempson <kempsonc@carmen.logica.co.uk> wrote:
>Sujat Jamil (sujat@shasta.ee.umn.edu) wrote:

[My earlier post suggesting automatic launching of X during Linux
distribution installation deleted]

>
>This is a fair idea, though my instinctive feeling is that it would be
>very difficult to find the 'lowest common denominator' for X.  The X11

I disagree.  Compare with Windows or OS/2.  They install straight into
the graphical environment.  They use the baseline 640x480 VGA
resolution.

There's no reason that we can't do the same with a Linux distribution.

>distribution in its Slackware form comes 'ready to go' but, I wonder,
>how many people have actually been able to run X out of the box, without
>some major messing about with device drivers (/dev/ps2aux etc) and 
>configuration options for the X server?  Unless some reliable way can be
>found to probe the system hardware in Linux installation and install the
>correct drivers for the hardware and write the correct Xconfig file this
>would seem not to be feasible.

Most graphics cards are at the very least backward compatible to VGA.
But, I agree that some sort of probe would be helpful.  Plus, think
about Unixware or Solaris.  To my knowledge, they both install
straight into X.  They are also PC *nixes which have to deal with a
plethora of hardware variations.  

>
>It is very easy to draw unfarourable comparisons with *nixes from the likes
>of SUN and HP, who IMHO have made a very good job of turning *nix from a 
>command line OS to a graphically orientated OS.  At work here I have an HP
>715 running HP-VUE, and it is easy enough for a complete novice to use, yet
>powerful enough to be completely customizable to my needs (in the best
>*nix tradition).  

Right! And I think the same can be done with Linux/X!


>But I think it only fair to point out that after a bit
>of work exactly the same(well, almost!) result can be achieved using XDM
>and X on a Linux workstation.  Given the disparity in resources available
>Linux does an extremely creditable job of bringing Workstation power and 
>flexibility to the PC.  My PC boots straight into the X display manager

Mine does too.  And I suspect a huge portion of Linuxers with enough
resources to run X do the same on their PC!  So, why not automate the
process on install?  We can always customize to our heart's contents.
True to the *nix tradtion, as you say. :)

>with nice customised resources, then on login goes into fvwm.  From here
>all the most commonly used tasks - setting upa slip connection, dowloading
>mail, playing Xmahjongg, performing an FTP etc may all be done from 
>intuitive menus from the background - No Xterm's required - which as you say
>gives you complete freedom from character based interaction with  the PC.

Exactly!  That's exactly the kind of environment I would like the
novice Linuxer to encounter on installation!  I'm sure you agree that
for the novice, the biggest obstacle to Unix, which is clearly a far 
superior resource manager than Windows, OS/2, MacOS and the like, is
the admittedly non-user friendly character based shell.  Why not
abstract it away for the beginner?  For those of us who couldn't live
without our beloved character based shells, like myself :), we always
have the option of launching an xterm!

>
>But back to the original point, making installation painless!  i would point 
>out that, like it or lump it, any *nix requires System Adminislration chores, 
>including the upload and installation of new packages.  Therefore there must be

Sure!  All in good time, though.  The user first installing Solaris or
Unixware also is going to be a system administrator, but they are
hand-held into it, not shoved into it!  You don't have to upgrade to
x.x.x.x+ version right in your first week of Linux use.  You don't
have to recompile the kernel, even within the first two weeks. :)  I
admit it:  I still haven't recompiled my kernel.  So, I am not
adventerous! :)

>a single person (or more) per PC who has the necessary *nix knowledge to 
>reconfigure and perform upgrades to the system software - especially on a system
>such as Linux where versions change on an almost daily basis!  Installation and 
>setup of the X server, the SLIP software, the X display manager etc provided me with
>a challenging but excellent way of learning about Linux and X from the sysadmins
>point of view.   This I think, is therefore a necessary first step towsards running
>a Linux system painlessly.

Sure.  Like I said, you could always have the option of doing
everything manually, instead of letting the installer do it for you.
Heck, an advanced Linuxer doesn't even need to use a standard
distribution.  They can build their own software environment piecemeal
by dowloading each utility and application piecemeal.  But, we
shouldn't expect a beginner to do that!

>
>As for comparisonms with other GUI based OS's, I think that Linux + X + WINE (so we
>can all do some useful wordprocessing in Linux) would be a serious challenge
>to the traditional GUI based systems for serious users.  Even my girlfriend - 
>not an expert in computers of any sort, has no trouble booting, logging on, using
>and shutting down our system.  I count that as a success!

I agree.  If WINE becomes stable and powerful enough, essentially all
the productivity software will become instantly available for Linux.
I think this factor together with a friendlier GUI based installation
process that I discussed, and an X-based abstraction layer, could pose
a very significant challenge to the traditional, less powerful,
"friendly" operating environments.

Sujat
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From: kenneth@bbs.sas.ntu.ac.sg (Kenneth Tan)
Subject: Re: Would Linux *just* run on this setup
Date: 12 Aug 1994 06:16:47 GMT

Jens Krauss (Steinfath) (krauss@charlie.igd.fhg.de) wrote:
: In article <32426k$gm7@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz>, Ivan.Murray@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Ivan Murray) writes:
: > I've got a 386/387 @ 20MHz, 4mb RAM and a 420Mb HD.  How usable would Linux be
: > with this setup? 

: Slow, really slow!!
: I have a 386, 8MB and 380MB-HD!! It works well, until I start a bigger X-App!
: Then swapping is on.......!!!

: But 4MB Ram is enough without X, but with development!!!!

Perfectly!
I've got a 386, 4Mb RAM, and a _TINY_ 120Mb HD, with Slackware running
beautifully.  (telnetable: bbs.sas.ntu.ac.sg).

[forget about X! it crawls even on my 486DX50 Vesa, 4Mb RAM, 540MB HD]


Kenneth

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From: tlau@tiberius.tc.cornell.edu (Tessa Lau)
Subject: NetAudio or AudioFile for Linux?
Date: 12 Aug 1994 21:03:07 GMT

The subject really says it all.  Are either of these two packages
being ported to Linux?

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
From: zeller@zot.iipo.gtegsc.com (Craig Zeller)
Subject: Re: Cannot keep XON/XOFF flow control
Reply-To: zeller@zot.iipo.gtegsc.com
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 21:43:05 GMT


In article <CuB57F.B3I@news.cis.umn.edu>, parki005@gold.tc.umn.edu (Bruce Parkin) writes:
>I have a Telebit WorldBlazer modem with FAX capability. I've been
>trying to get "efax" to work, with little success. From what I can
>tell, XON/XOFF flow control will just not work. I have all tried all
>the possible register settings, with no success. With a 9600 bps mod. 
>rate I am getting thruputs of greater than 12,000 bps; as well as
>a warning about extra XON/XOFF characters at the start of transmision.
>
Bruce;

  Make sure that you're using the /dev/cuaX device, which has hardware
flow control, rather than the plain /dev/iforget! device name. Additionally,
make sure your modem is set up with the '&K3' (Hayes-compatible) flag
which sets RTS/CTS hardware flow control vs. Xon-Xoff.

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From: ssn@pnet1.pnet.com (South Street North Studios)
Subject: (*) Crack-4.1 and NIS (*)
Date: 12 Aug 1994 02:30:20 -0400

Hello all...

As always, security here on this box is crucial to...well, keeping my 
hard-drive. However, I note that Crack-4.1 at least really wishes it had 
the SystemV-ish shadow passwd file system. However, on this machine, I've 
installed NIS Yellow Pages and the default Linux method of passwd files.

Can I make crack work with this system? Cops seems to be working rather 
well...It's not complete security...But it's a start.

Thanx again for your help.


=-= Patrick Jordan =-=

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