Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #598
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Date:     Fri, 12 Aug 94 16:13:15 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #598, Volume #2                Fri, 12 Aug 94 16:13:15 EDT

Contents:
  PC Arch. > 16MB (MattMan)
  Re: 1.1.35ish-1.1.40 break sound, 1.1.42 fixes, 1.1.43 breaks hard (Andreas Helke)
  Re: Linux on a portable /PCMCIA-problems (Urpo Kaila)
  Re: NeXTStep BETA on PPC? (Lee Sailer)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (J.J. Paijmans)
  Re: comp.os.linux.hardware.* (Bill Hogan)
  1.1.x development study (Larry Doolittle)
  Re: Linux(slackware) and security (David Holland)
  Re: Free Motif GUI and API (clone) for Linux (Jon Madison)
  Re: WANTED: Supplier of PC clone for Linux.... (Pat St. Jean)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Mike Meredith)
  Cheapo ether cards (Addtron? GVC?) (Garry Adkins)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Mark A. Davis)

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From: tuttlem@bruce.uncg.edu (MattMan)
Subject: PC Arch. > 16MB
Date: 12 Aug 1994 04:51:22 GMT

Hello Linuxers,

        I need to find a fast server, but I am on a limited budget ( ``fast'' is
relative 8).  I need answers to two questions so I can narrow my search to
either the workstation market or the PC market.

1.      Do any of the IBM-PC architectures support the use of greater than 16
        megs of memory (ie: Do EISA,VESA, and PCI motherboards force the CPU to
        double buffer data to memory above 16 megs)?  ~64 megs is my target
        memory configuration, but I don't want to tie up the CPU by forcing
        it to cart data.

2.      Does Linux take advantage of most features of VESA or PCI busses?
        Can I expect to get a significant portion of the thoroughput these
        busses "should" provide?  I need at least sustained 1/4 meg output.

        One other question for the road.  Is it better to purchase a Pentium
or a 486?  Why do you think so?  To avoid further band-width please send email.

Thanks,
---
Matthew Tuttle
tuttlem@alice.uncg.edu

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From: andreas@orion.mgen.uni-heidelberg.de (Andreas Helke)
Subject: Re: 1.1.35ish-1.1.40 break sound, 1.1.42 fixes, 1.1.43 breaks hard
Date: 12 Aug 1994 16:45:23 GMT

Stephen Timson (stimson@lele-iri) wrote:
: Has anyone else had problems with the sound under the recent kernels?  I
: have a PAS16 that worked fine up unitl around 1.1.35 or so, and then until
: 1.1.40 it would play a sound and then pause for a few seconds.  Modplayers
: wouldn't work at all.  1.1.42 fixed the problem!.  Now with 1.1.43 trying to
: play a sound brings down the whole system.


The 1.1.43 kernel has a little typo in the sound drivers which brings the
system down. /dev/audio works fine in 1.1.44 with a basic soundblaster card.

Andreas
--

Andreas Helke

Institut fuer molekulare Genetik, Universitaet Heidelberg
Im Neuenheimer Feld 230 
69122 Heidelberg, Germany

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From: upikaila@upix.pp.fi (Urpo Kaila)
Subject: Re: Linux on a portable /PCMCIA-problems
Date: 12 Aug 1994 17:00:32 GMT

Hi, I am an novice Linux and Internet-user and I saw Jianfang Eve Li article
about a Survey on Linux on Laptops. Well, I am using my Linux on a AST 
BRAVO Notebook (486 sx, 8MB, 170 MB, color Screen) and its working fine!
I splitted my Disk with a DOS (sharware) utility called FIPS so I got 35 MB 
for Linux whitout loosing my files on my FAT-artition!

I havent yet installed X but will maby do it later.

Could You Linux-gurus please tell me how I can get my PCMCIA-devices working
under Linux? I (would like to) use a AST-SCSI PCMCIA-card with NEC 3x CD-ROM
an a INTEL 14.4 International faxmodem (PCMCIA) too? How? From where can I 
get information?
Thanks for an answer !


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From: sailer@a4430edc.esr.hp.com (Lee Sailer)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.powerpc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXTStep BETA on PPC?
Date: 12 Aug 1994 17:01:41 GMT
Reply-To: sailer@a4430edc.esr.hp.com

mraja (mraja@satelnet.org) wrote:
> In article <32ap52$628@sunsic.si.univ-compiegne.fr>
> ldebraux@hds.univ-compiegne.fr (Laurent Debraux) writes:

> > 
> >  For what i know, at this time it's not possible to use NEXTSTEP
> >  on PPC, but who knows if it is possible, if we use an ORANGE CARD ?
> >  And is it possible to use LINUX with such a card
> > 
>  Well.....from what I have heard. Developers already have NeXTStep
> running on PPC....but dont really know if they are gonna release it.

Running and "ready to ship" are two really different things.  For
example, NS was "running" on HPPA in January, 1994, but wasn't ready to
"really ship" til July.  It is amazing how often the tiny little details
don't "just work".

> I *heard* that on some WWW site...i think..i might be wrong.

> Moazam A. Raja
> mraja@satelnet.org
> mraja01@solix.fiu.edu

--
lee


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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
From: mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 13:09:28 GMT

paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans) writes:

>In article <1994Aug10.131414.6536@taylor.infi.net> mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis) writes:

>...
>>superlatives.  This does NOT mean it is suitable for use everywhere.  There
>>is NO WAY Linux, for example, could run our Hospital the way SCO does now.  It
>>does not have multiprocessing support, multithreads, multidrop support,
>>it won't run 3/4 of the software we have to use, it does not support some
>>of the special hardware we use.

>Remember me not to fall ill when in Norfolk, VA. I dug both into Linux
>and SCO for a review and I am afraid that in the tests SCO certainly
>proved to be less stable and more aggressive to operator errors than
>Linux as.

You may have "dug into both", but you certainly have not used them in the
real world then.

> Admittedly those tests were rather constricted and done in
>a stand-alone environment.

Oh, that is a ****REALLY**** good real-world comparison.

> But if a system is corrupted easily in 
>stand-alone, I tend to distrust its MU-capacity.

How long have you used SCO for anything real?  We have been using it for
years.  We have millions of dollars worth of information riding on it.
We have *NEVER* had a corruption or crash.

I wrote that originally to make a point to those who would 1) bash other
Unixes without knowing anything about them  and 2) think that Linux can just
be a drop in replacement for commercial Unixes.  Both are pipe dreams.
There may be a point in the future when Linux can do just that, but 
certainly not now.  Like probably the majority of home/work Unixers, I
use a commercial Unix at work and Linux at home.  It makes little since to
use SCO at home or Linux at work (at least for me/us).

>BTW, why do you write "Hospital" with a capital "H"?

It's a proper name- Lake Taylor Hospital.  Even when I take a piece out,
I still capitalize it to refer to our facility, not any facility.  It
is probably more correct to have left it in lowercase.
-- 
  /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
  | Mark A. Davis     | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk,VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
  | Director/SysAdmin | Information Systems  |    mark@taylor.infi.net       |
  \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

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From: paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: 12 Aug 1994 16:37:18 GMT

In article <CuFEK7.GLn@novell.co.uk> msohnius@novell.co.uk (Martin Sohnius) writes:
>[ post and followups to a subset of the UNIX world only ]
...
>
>Jim may be in the business of selling systems which involve UnixWare as a
>platform, but he is certainly not in the business of providing free review
>copies.  I distincly remember sending Hans Paijmans an email pointing this
>out, and with a contact address for getting such a copy.
>

If you did, I didn't receive it. Could you please send it again?

>Oh, and BTW, some publications INSIST on buying EVERYTHING they review
>(like the "New York Times") so as not to prejudice the outcome of
>the review, or the choice of what they do or do not review.

Yes, well, the magazine I write for doesn't. Still it is the biggest
in Holland. As far as my experience goes, most magazines depend on
complimentary copies for reviews (unless they really want to dig in)
and still maintain a sound level of fair dealing.

Paai.

-- 
Copyright Hans Paijmans 1994. Niets hierboven mag geheel of
gedeeltelijk worden geciteerd buiten de nieuwsgroep(en) waar het
oorspronkelijk is geplaatst.  Nothing of the above may be cited
outside the newsgroups in which the message originally was posted.

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From: bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: comp.os.linux.hardware.*
Date: 11 Aug 1994 22:38:39 -0700

Dave Sill (de5@de5.CTD.ORNL.GOV) wrote:
: I'm fairly new to Linux and the Linux newsgroups, so pardon me if I'm out
: of line.

: I've found it pretty hard to find answers to the kind of questions I have,
: which are mostly about hardware compatibility.  Do they belong in
: comp.os.linux.help?  How about comp.os.linux.misc?  For that matter,
: exactly what is appropriate for these two groups?

: Anyway, I propose an organization orthogonal to the
: comp.sys.ibmpc.hardware.* hierarchy, e.g.:

:     comp.os.linux.hardware.systems
:       Which PC's do/don't run Linux.  What tweaks are required.  Will
:       also cover other architectures if/when Linux is ported to
:       them. ...

 [...]

: And the c.o.l.help and c.o.l.misc groups are just too busy to keep up
: with.

: What do you think?

: -- 

  I would like to see the following (in alphabetical order):

        comp.os.linux.admin
        comp.os.linux.announce
        comp.os.linux.applications      (looks to "world outside")
        comp.os.linus.beginners         (formerly 'comp.os.linux.help')
        comp,os.linux.development       (operating system per se)
        comp.os.linux.hardware          (new)
        comp.os.linus.misc

  I think the label 'comp.os.linux.help' is redundant; I believe that all
of these groups are basically 'help' groups simply because they are places
where people help each other. 

  Bill
-- 
  Bill Hogan
{echo "Subject: get bhogan@crl.com" | mail pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu}

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From: doolitt@recycle.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle)
Subject: 1.1.x development study
Reply-To: doolittle@cebaf.gov
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 16:19:42 GMT

Here is a cute plot (PostScript) showing how much code Linus
is putting out (or, in some cases, sifting through and publishing).
If anybody has data on his caffeine intake, let me know and
I could do some correlation studies <grin>.

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Crossposted-To: alt.flame.spelling
Subject: Re: Linux(slackware) and security
From: dholland@husc7.harvard.edu (David Holland)
Date: 11 Aug 94 18:12:39

<Attribution intentionally omitted to protect the guilty...>

 > I was wondering if there is a good source of info about Linux and security
 > Preferrably free but I would like to know how to set up accounts and create
 > groups and make sure that my system isn't holy!

Use curses, and run lots of daemons.

--
   - David A. Holland          | "The right to be heard does not automatically
     dholland@husc.harvard.edu |  include the right to be taken seriously."

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From: jonboy@neuromancer.ucr.edu (Jon Madison)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.motif
Subject: Re: Free Motif GUI and API (clone) for Linux
Date: 12 Aug 1994 02:35:56 GMT

In article <del.776592583@hawk>, D Elson <del@adied.oz.au> wrote:
>daveh@texlin.minmet.mcgill.ca (Dave Hinz) writes:
>
>>My question:  what widget set is used by tcl/tk?  I know that there is
>>a Motif wrapper in the works but without it what do the apps look like?
>>Are they just the Athena widgets--are they nice in appearance like Motif?
>
>The Tk widget set looks just like Motif (3d widgets, motif like scrollbars,
well, almost.  there's an extension, tho', called Tix, that makes
the stuff look JUST like Motif fo' real!

>I haven't had a lot of time to play with Tk, but what I have had has
>convinced me it's worth looking at.
it is.  i'm hoping it becomes some kind of a standard. it at least came
with the X11R6 sources.
>
>Del


-- 
jon madison
<A href="http://neuromancer.ucr.edu/~jonboy">ClickHere</a>

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,biz.comp.hardware,biz.comp.services,biz.comp.software,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone
From: stjeanp@almond (Pat St. Jean)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Supplier of PC clone for Linux....
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 19:17:37 GMT

Andy Beal (bealar@ndlc.occ.uky.edu) wrote:
: I M H Nadiadi (mapimhn@midge.bath.ac.uk) wrote:

: :         * Specialise in Linux/GNU/Xfree86 software (including MS-DOS/Windows).

: Umm, if you find one, tell me.  I am almost 99% sure that no vendors 
: specialize in Linux.  The best you may get is a technician that has ran 
: Linux.  

I can give you one...ME.  I've been working on getting a business going that
deals in Linux.  I've got some good deals on hardware and I'll configure
the system for you if you would like.  Let me know.  Unfortuantely I'm
going up to Alaska for about 2 weeks...I'll be back at the end of the month.
Best
--Pat
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            Eastern New Mexico University Systems Administrator
       www home page --> http://chestnut.enmu.edu/~stjeanp/home.html
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 a female: and made you into nations and tribes, that you may
 come to know one another.  Truly, the most honored of you in
 God's sight is the greatest of you in piety.  God is
 All-Knowing, All-Aware"        Quran 49:13
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From: mike@hobbit.hum.port.ac.uk (Mike Meredith)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: 12 Aug 1994 14:07:42 GMT

Peter Wiley - Poultry (peter@prospect.anprod.csiro.au) wrote:


: IMO, Linux is *already* suitable for use in commercial sites as:
:   a file server running Samba (*much* cheaper than NTAS or netware, reliable)
:   a mail/news server
:   a C developer's platform running GCC etc.
:   and probably a lot of other things of which I am ignorant.

: However, most businesses are running DBMS apps of various flavours. Until the
: vendors support Linux with ports, a VAR is taking a large risk for little
: savings. We all know how, when there's a problem, vendor A says it's vendor B's
: fault - and vice versa. Using an unsupported OS is giving the DBMS vendor a
: perfect out.

Do you know about the patches that will allow Linux to run SCO Unix 
binaries ? I haven't tried them myself, so I don't know how useful they 
are, but if they work well it should be possible to run Informix, Oracle, 
etc.

Of course the main use for a Linux box today is probably to off-load 
applications that can run under Linux - WWW servers, Gopher servers, 
mail, news, development, etc. This would leave more CPU power for running 
databases.

mike

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From: adkinsg@pcn.proline.com (Garry Adkins)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Cheapo ether cards (Addtron? GVC?)
Date: 12 Aug 1994 13:58:41 -0400


I'm wanting to hook two linux machines together via ethernet, but
I need to do it cheaply...

I've found one from Addtron, AE200LB (Thin) ..  This one claims 
"fully compatible with Novell NE2000 specs".  It's $39.95.

The other is GVC, (can't find model number) but it's got 16k buffer,
NE2000 compatible.  It's $54.


Has anyone used either of these?  Will they work ok with linux (slackware
1.2 soon to be 2.0)?

If you have any better suggestions, I'd be happy to hear them!

Thanks!
Garry

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
From: mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 15:54:44 GMT

mike@hobbit.hum.port.ac.uk (Mike Meredith) writes:

>Peter Wiley - Poultry (peter@prospect.anprod.csiro.au) wrote:

>Do you know about the patches that will allow Linux to run SCO Unix 
>binaries ? I haven't tried them myself, so I don't know how useful they 
>are, but if they work well it should be possible to run Informix, Oracle, 
>etc.

>Of course the main use for a Linux box today is probably to off-load 
>applications that can run under Linux - WWW servers, Gopher servers, 
>mail, news, development, etc. This would leave more CPU power for running 
>databases.

I agree with that sentiment.  It is an ideal use for a Linux box in a
commercial environment if one feels skittish.
-- 
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  | Mark A. Davis     | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk,VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
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