Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #591
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Date:     Thu, 11 Aug 94 13:13:10 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #591, Volume #2                Thu, 11 Aug 94 13:13:10 EDT

Contents:
  comp.os.linux.hardware.* (Dave Sill)
  Re: term tmon 9600 (John Martin)
  Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion) (Chris Mauritz)
  Re: Mild warning about slackware installed users. (Mike Loseke)
  Linux(slackware) and security (Jeffrey D. Frey)
  Re: xfig on slackware 2.0.0 (Uwe Bonnes)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Martin Sohnius)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Martin Sohnius)
  Re: HELP! Xconfig for STB Powergraph X24 ISA (Larry Doolittle)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Martin Sohnius)
  Re: UW Merge/Windows vs. Insignia vs. etc. (Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?) (Martin Sohnius)
  Re: comp.os.linux.hardware.* (Bob McClung)
  Re: VT220 termcap entry wanted, incl. arrow keys etc. (Eelco H. Essenberg)
  Re: Doom on SGI -- wow! (wunsch-admin@proline.gun.de)
  Re: comp.os.linux.hardware.* (Nils Nieuwejaar)
  Does Linux prove worthwhile as a SLIP server? (Harald Vergara)

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From: de5@de5.CTD.ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: comp.os.linux.hardware.*
Date: 11 Aug 1994 14:37:39 GMT

I'm fairly new to Linux and the Linux newsgroups, so pardon me if I'm out
of line.

I've found it pretty hard to find answers to the kind of questions I have,
which are mostly about hardware compatibility.  Do they belong in
comp.os.linux.help?  How about comp.os.linux.misc?  For that matter,
exactly what is appropriate for these two groups?

Anyway, I propose an organization orthogonal to the
comp.sys.ibmpc.hardware.* hierarchy, e.g.:

    comp.os.linux.hardware.systems
        Which PC's do/don't run Linux.  What tweaks are required.  Will
        also cover other architectures if/when Linux is ported to
        them.
    comp.os.linux.hardware.video
        Which boards do/don't work.  How to configure them for XFree86.
    comp.os.linux.hardware.sound        (*)
        More of the same, for PC sound cards mostly.
    comp.os.linux.hardware.cd-rom
        You get the idea.
    comp.os.linux.hardware.misc
        Other peripherals like printers, mice, tape drives, etc.

(*) the PC sound stuff is under comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.*, but I think a
single group for Linux sound card issues is enough.

And the c.o.l.help and c.o.l.misc groups are just too busy to keep up
with.

What do you think?

-- 
Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov)
Martin Marietta Energy Systems, Workstation Support
URL http://www.dec.com/pub/DEC/DECinfo/html/dsill.html

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From: giao@netcom.com (John Martin)
Subject: Re: term tmon 9600
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 13:18:19 GMT

Bill McCarthy (bmccarth@gulfaero.com) wrote:
: Keywords: term 9600 baud tmon

: Hiya:

: Just got my new USR Sportster 14.4. Can't get it up pst 9600 on my dialin
: connection, though. the remote box won't take more'n 96. Anyway... I sholdn't
: kick, but.... my tmon cps averages out to about 965. Is this slow for the
: speed I'm at? I think I've got the term flags set so the connection is
: smooth - I have -s 9600 -w 10 -c 150. 

: Default compression is on. Any thoughts, suggestions, advice? Don't get me wrongi like running at 9600 as opposed to 2400, and tMosaic is much better. Just
: wondering about the performance. TIA

you should probably use compression off since your modem is probably already 
using v.42 and mnp5 to do compression and error correction, you are slowing
yourself down.  Also play with the -t paramater to lower your timeout rate,
i have a 14.4 and use -t 30  I just kept trying different numbers until I got
the least amount of errors in my tlog file.

-John

=======
John Martin
giao@netcom.com


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.coherent
From: ritz@ritz.mordor.com (Chris Mauritz)
Subject: Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 14:19:13 GMT

Rick Kelly (rmk@rmkhome.com) wrote:
: Chris Mauritz (ritz@ritz.mordor.com) wrote:
: : Rick Kelly (rmk@rmkhome.com) wrote:
: : : Orc (orc@pell.com) wrote:
: : : : In article <9408042225.16@rmkhome.com>, Rick Kelly <rmk@rmkhome.com> wrote:

: : : : >Every UNIX box has a tape drive.

: : : :    Well, if you don't count workstations or PC Unices, I'd be
: : : : willing to believe that.  (I've worked on Suns where the only way
: : : : to do backup was to find the one machine that has a tape drive and
: : : : nfs-mount my filesystems onto that machine, or call my home machine
: : : : and backup via a term connection.)

: : : What I meant was that _I_ work in an environment where every unix box
: : : has a tapedrive.

: : Fine, but I don't think you're personal situation is indicative
: : of the situation of people in general.

: What I'm also saying is:

: Okay, I want to install Linux, let's say.  I don't want to feed 40 or so
: floppies into the machine.  I buy a CD drive (~$100) and install Linux
: from the CD drive.  The next time I will have a use for the drive will be
: when I have to load another OS from CD-ROM.

Fair enough.  But you've just opened yourself up to a one of the
easiest and cheapest methods of software distribution.  I'm not
aware of anyone who purchased a CD-ROM that didn't stop buying
software distributed on floppy because of the sheer convenience
(and often additional content) of CD-ROM based releases.

It's the wave of the future, and at the current price levels I
don't understand your desire to buck the trend.

Chris
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From: mike@bob.sc.colostate.edu (Mike Loseke)
Subject: Re: Mild warning about slackware installed users.
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 14:03:25 GMT

In article <32bahc$snq@newsserv.cs.sunysb.edu>,
Vassili Leonov <vassili@cs.sunysb.edu> wrote:

[deletia]
>
>gonzo:*:418:100::/home/gonzo:/bin/bash
>satan:*:419:100::/home/hell:/bin/bash
>snake:*:420:100::/home/pit:/bin/bash
>
>and you can see the '*' as a password. You can try - and find out that
>you can not really login to these accounts because of '*'. So I wonder
>if the author of the warning was actually trying to login as snake etc.
>Vassili.

I think these were put in as "sample users" so a person who has less 
knowledge of U*ix can have a good example of a user setup and
some example .files to reference.

If a person leaves some logins in /etc/passwd with no password, then they're
asking to be broken into.

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   |  Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux  |  what will become of his dreams.   |

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From: freyj@cselc20.cs.hh.ab.com (Jeffrey D. Frey)
Subject: Linux(slackware) and security
Date: 11 Aug 1994 14:47:09 GMT

I was wondering if there is a good source of info about Linux and security
Preferrably free but I would like to know how to set up accounts and create
groups and make sure that my system isn't holy!

Thanks,

Jeffrey Frey

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From: bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Uwe Bonnes)
Subject: Re: xfig on slackware 2.0.0
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 20:34:33 GMT

In article <328f2c$ns0@agate.berkeley.edu> josefd@albert.ssl.berkeley.edu (Josef Dalcolmo) writes:
>I installed slackware 2.0.0 on my 33MHz 486 VLB machine (8Mb RAM, 15+Mb swap
>partition, ext2fs, linux 1.0.9)
>
>Most things work just fine, but xfig rattles the hard disk for about 10
>minutes when launched, and the just quits (after drawing part of it's
>workbench on the screen).
>
>I wonder if anyone else has had a similar experience, or got it to work.
>
>- Josef
>

As I have heared, there is a circular reference in the
application-default-file (like filea:# include fileb anf fileb:#include
filea).
Hope this helps
---
Uwe Bonnes  bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
From: msohnius@novell.co.uk (Martin Sohnius)
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 19:21:25 GMT

Matthias Bruestle (m@mbsks.franken.de) wrote:

: Mahlzeit

Gruezi,

Jim Vlcek had written (and Matthias clipped the ref):
: > perception that the Linuxoids don't have a very sound understanding of
: > the free market system.

: They are idealistic, and whats wrong with that?

Some of us are wary of idealists...:-)

: > There are people of equal enthusiasm and creativity providing
: > competitive products on Microsoft OS platforms.  Enthusiasm and

: People who fight for their land fight better than mercenaries.

Jawohl!  Except, whom do you actually mean?

Who do think is fighting harder, people who develop free software
and do this either (a) in their spare time or (b) at the taxpayer's
expense, or people whose bread and butter depends on it?  People
here are fighting for their land alright.

: Life is hard, but it's harder if you have too many scruples.

Now there's idealism.  And the reason you don't get another version
of UnixWare every time somebody has identified a problem and hacked
together a fix is exactly that:  scruples.

Gut's Naechtle,

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Bracknell, England      |  mice."      - Deng Xiaoping               |
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
From: msohnius@novell.co.uk (Martin Sohnius)
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 19:23:38 GMT

Dan Pop (danpop@cernapo.cern.ch) wrote:
: Linux is not intended to be "a serious commercial offering" and is not
: targetted to an unready public. Nobody is pushing Linux to anybody,
: there is not even a comp.os.linux.advocacy group, because it isn't
: needed.

That's because they cross-post their advocacy to every other comp.unix.*
group.:-)

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                        +--------------------------------------------+
Martin Sohnius          | "It doesn't matter whether the cat is      |
Novell Labs Europe      |  black or white, as long as it catches     |
Bracknell, England      |  mice."      - Deng Xiaoping               |
+44-1344-724031          +--------------------------------------------+
                        (I speak for myself, not for Novell or anyone else.)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: doolitt@recycle.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle)
Subject: Re: HELP! Xconfig for STB Powergraph X24 ISA
Reply-To: doolittle@cebaf.gov
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 14:16:20 GMT

Ziniu "Michael" Wei (ziniuwei@cs.Buffalo.EDU) wrote:
: I've got a STB Powergraph X24 ISA (S3 86C801 chipset).  The manual
: doesn't have the dotclock for each video mode and my server can only
: probe part of the dotclock.  It can probe to clock for 640x480 and
: 1024x768, but *not* 800x600.  Can anyone kindly send me the clocks for
: that card?

The STB PowerGraph's (X-24 and VL-24) use the ICD2061A clock
synthesizer.  The third clock can be set to anything you
want (within reason - try to stay within 20MHz to 80MHz).
XFree86-2.0 and up know how to deal with this.  Depending
on version, you either want
  Clocks "icd2061a_slow"
or
  Clocks "icd2061a"
in your Xconfig.  This is covered in the Xconfig man page.

          - Larry Doolittle  doolittle@cebaf.gov 

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
From: msohnius@novell.co.uk (Martin Sohnius)
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 19:35:37 GMT

Dan Pop (danpop@cernapo.cern.ch) wrote:
: In <Cu6r7v.7vA@epimbe.com> vlcek@epimbe.com (James Vlcek) writes:

: >There are people of equal enthusiasm and creativity providing
: >competitive products on Microsoft OS platforms.  Enthusiasm and
: >creativity are not enough; one needs a market advantage as well.  I
: >contend that Linux will never provide this advantage.
:  
: Having a market is more often than not a barrier in the way of
: progress.

Hear, hear.  "More often than not."

:         You can't introduce new features which will break existing
: code because this will make customers unhappy and you might lose them.
: Without customers, everything can move much faster. Every couple of
: months DOSEMU has to be modified to run on the new kernels. After every
: change, it is even faster and has more features. And everybody is happy.

Except nobody has done any real work (I mean earning-pennies work).

: >What Linux _does_ provide, on the other hand, is an easy route for
: >interested users to become introduced to UNIX.  I received one email
: >from a guy in high school who has installed Linux on a 386SX/16 with
: >four meg or memory, and who is now experiencing the sheer fun on
: >learning what UNIX can do for him.  This is where Linux can't be beat,
: >and I think/hope that UnixWare can benefit if Novell comes to view
: >Linux as a doorway to UnixWare.

: Novell might see it this way, but I'm affraid that the Linux users 
: won't :-)

Not even I speak for Novell, so how should Jim Vlcek!

: >But when one starts considering platforms upon which to base a
: >commercial product, Linux simply falls far short.  The lack of Windows
: >support alone is a killer - Windows programs can be _extremely_ useful
: >as front-ends to UNIX apps on a platform which can support them.  I've
: >been admonished by many Linuxoids "they've only just started working
: >on WINE - give them time!"  What the hell - I'm going to tell my
: >customers that?  Get real!

: Your customers are completely irrelevant to Linux and its future.

No they aren't.  Their personal and corporate taxes are paying for the
better part of Linux development.  And mine are paying YOUR tax-free
salary, Dan!

: --
: Dan Pop 
: CERN, CN Division
: Email: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch
: Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland

I guess netiquette requires a few smileys here :-):-)
(...and if anyone is made of asbestos it's Dan Pop...)

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                        +--------------------------------------------+
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Novell Labs Europe      |  black or white, as long as it catches     |
Bracknell, England      |  mice."      - Deng Xiaoping               |
+44-1344-724031          +--------------------------------------------+
                        (I speak for myself, not for Novell or anyone else.)

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware,comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine
From: msohnius@novell.co.uk (Martin Sohnius)
Subject: Re: UW Merge/Windows vs. Insignia vs. etc. (Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 20:29:35 GMT

dan@dna.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu wrote:
:       Has anyone done a decent coparison between the Windows-on-Unix
: alternatives ?
:       My cursory testing makes me believe that the UW DOSMerge/Windows
: that comes with UW is better than SoftPC+Windows, certainly at least on
: NextStep/Intel. The speed of UW Merge/Windows seems pretty good. Haven't yet
: done remote X serving of Windows, but that capability is certainly a plus.
: And that it comes with UW is another plus.
:       Anybody think that SoftPC, SoftWindows, Wabi, Wine is better than
: Merge/Windows (on an Intel platform) ?
:                       Cheers,
:                       Dan Ts'o                713-798-3331
:                         Div. Neuroscience       FAX: 713-798-3897
:                         Baylor College of Medicine
:                         1 Baylor Plaza S553   dan@dna.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu
:                         Houston, TX  77030      tso@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu 

Gee, Dan, isn't one of these Flame Wars enough?  CHeck out the WABI vs. 
something-or-other thread, once you have crawled into your fireproofs.

--
                        +--------------------------------------------+
Martin Sohnius          | "It doesn't matter whether the cat is      |
Novell Labs Europe      |  black or white, as long as it catches     |
Bracknell, England      |  mice."      - Deng Xiaoping               |
+44-1344-724031          +--------------------------------------------+
                        (I speak for myself, not for Novell or anyone else.)

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From: bobmc@redside.CNA.TEK.COM (Bob McClung)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: comp.os.linux.hardware.*
Date: 11 Aug 1994 15:25:15 GMT

In article <32dd3j$3t7@stc06.CTD.ORNL.GOV>, de5@de5.CTD.ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill) writes:
|> 
|> I've found it pretty hard to find answers to the kind of questions I have,
|> which are mostly about hardware compatibility.  Do they belong in
|> comp.os.linux.help?  How about comp.os.linux.misc?  For that matter,
|> exactly what is appropriate for these two groups?
|> 
|> Anyway, I propose an organization orthogonal to the
|> comp.sys.ibmpc.hardware.* hierarchy, e.g.:
|> 
|>     comp.os.linux.hardware.systems
|>      Which PC's do/don't run Linux.  What tweaks are required.  Will
|>      also cover other architectures if/when Linux is ported to
|>      them.
|>     comp.os.linux.hardware.video
|>      Which boards do/don't work.  How to configure them for XFree86.
|>     comp.os.linux.hardware.sound     (*)
|>      More of the same, for PC sound cards mostly.
|>     comp.os.linux.hardware.cd-rom
|>      You get the idea.
|>     comp.os.linux.hardware.misc
|>      Other peripherals like printers, mice, tape drives, etc.
|> 
|> (*) the PC sound stuff is under comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.*, but I think a
|> single group for Linux sound card issues is enough.
|> 
|> And the c.o.l.help and c.o.l.misc groups are just too busy to keep up
|> with.
|> 
|> What do you think?

Very good points.  Instead of "c.o.l.hardware.*" though, I would stick with
the existing groups and just further extend the existing hierarchy if that
is possible (i.e., c.o.l.help.cdrom, c.o.l.help.video, ...)
 
==========================================================================
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Crossposted-To: comp.terminals
From: essenber@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (Eelco H. Essenberg)
Subject: Re: VT220 termcap entry wanted, incl. arrow keys etc.
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 15:34:56 GMT

Thanks to all those who replied. It seems setting the terminal to use
7-bit vt200 mode instead of 8-bit does wonders. (In 8-bit mode it 
wouldn't keep 'application-mode' keys, as one of you suggested).

Thanks!

Eelco.

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From: wunsch-admin@proline.gun.de
Subject: Re: Doom on SGI -- wow!
Date: 09 Aug 1994 12:39:00 +0200

clolson@me.umn.edu meinte am 05.08.94
zum Thema "Re: Doom on SGI -- wow!":

c> I ran it on an Onyx (2 150MHz R4400 CPUs)  It was very very very fast ...
c> and very smooth ... but the window was so small ... :(
Did you use the version from FTP.UWP.EDU ?
I got it, but cannot uudecode / uncompress the files. The uudecoded file  
is about 100K smaller than the original was. Could there be a problem with  
the original file?

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From: nils@cs.dartmouth.edu (Nils Nieuwejaar)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: comp.os.linux.hardware.*
Date: 11 Aug 1994 16:13:09 GMT

de5@de5.CTD.ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill) writes:

First off, I don't think there are enough hardware issues which are
linux-specific (or even x86 unix-specific) to warrant 5 new groups.
_Maybe_ one group, but I would have to be convinced of that.

       comp.os.linux.hardware.video
           Which boards do/don't work.  How to configure them for XFree86.

There is already a group for this: comp.windows.x.i386unix

       comp.os.linux.hardware.systems
           Which PC's do/don't run Linux.  What tweaks are required.  Will
           also cover other architectures if/when Linux is ported to
           them.

This would probably be an exercise in futility.  There are far too
many small vendors for there to be much common interest in any of
them, and any linux-specific problems with systems from big vendors
(e.g. Dell, IBM, Gateway, etc) will affect so many people that trying
to confine the discussion to a single, 5th level group would be
hopeless.

       comp.os.linux.hardware.sound     (*)
           More of the same, for PC sound cards mostly.
       comp.os.linux.hardware.cd-rom
           You get the idea.
       comp.os.linux.hardware.misc
           Other peripherals like printers, mice, tape drives, etc.

These three groups would probably be full of articles crossposted to
c.o.l.h. and the corresponding c.s.ibm.pc.hardware groups.
Furthermore, even if there weren't a lot of crossposting, it would be
very surprising if the content of the bulk of posts to these groups
was at all linux-specific.  They would become the default groups for
all hardware questions by people who happen to use linux, and they
would be filled with 'How do I set the DIP switches?' and 'Which is
the fastest tape drive?'.


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From: vergara@inf-wiss.uni-konstanz.de (Harald Vergara )
Subject: Does Linux prove worthwhile as a SLIP server?
Date: 11 Aug 94 16:58:17

Hallo Linux user,

does someone use a Linux machine as a SLIP server with a couple of
modems on a serial board?
If yes, may be you can answer me some questions:

1) How are you satisfied with the stability and the performance of the
   system? 

2) Which hardware are you using (e.g. serial board; cpu and memory,
   because of the performance)?

3) Which Linux version are you using (e.g. kernel, distributer)?

4) Did you have particular problems when installing the SLIP-server?

I would appreciate, if someone can answer the one or the other
question or give some advices.

Because I can't read the news regular, it would be fine if you could
send me the answers by e-mail as well.

Thanks in advance, Harald
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