Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #589
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Date:     Thu, 11 Aug 94 09:13:10 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #589, Volume #2                Thu, 11 Aug 94 09:13:10 EDT

Contents:
  Wrong 1.1.35 diff in PC-Speaker and DAC driver 0.7 (Michael Beck)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (J.J. Paijmans)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (J.J. Paijmans)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (J.J. Paijmans)
  Re: Mail reader over term? (Patrick Reijnen)
  Re: Booting Sun Workstation (Karl Lovink)
  Re: Upgrading to 1.1.x ? (Linus Torvalds)
  Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion) (Dan Pop)
  Re: MouseLess Commander + Mouse Server for Linux (Herbert Xu ~{PmV>HI~})
  Re: Can't Malloc 192309 Bytes - Fix? (Karl Keyte)
  Upgrading to 1.1.x ? (Sven Goldt)
  Re: rpc.nfsd changing UID [Q] (Karl Keyte)
  Re: dip with a pulse phone line (Paul Cadach)
  Re: Free Motif GUI and API (clone) for Linux (D Elson)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Johan A. Grape)
  Re: Elsa Winner 1000 Pro VLB - XF86-Server ? (Robert Wilhelm)
  Seyon dial script (Shannon O'Connor)
  Re: Reading LDP files (was Re: InfoMagic order fullfilment...) (Doug Merritt)
  Word Perfect? (Andrew V Harbick)
  Re: Would Linux *just* run on this setup (Jens Krauss (Steinfath))

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From: beck@informatik.hu-berlin.de (Michael Beck)
Subject: Wrong 1.1.35 diff in PC-Speaker and DAC driver 0.7
Date: 11 Aug 1994 10:58:57 GMT



Sorry, but the linux 1.1.35 diff was incomplete in my yesterday announcing.
If you need one, please get it from 

ftp.informatik.hu-berlin.de:pub/os/linux/hu-sound/linux-1.1.35.pcsp.diff

However, if your pcsndrv-0.7.tar.z has a size of 169014 bytes, you
already have the corrected version.

-- 

  Michael Beck               beck@informatik.hu-berlin.de

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From: paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: 11 Aug 1994 07:29:01 GMT

In article <Cu6r7v.7vA@epimbe.com> vlcek@epimbe.com (James Vlcek) writes:
>In article <320ris$g7n@kubds1.kub.nl> paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans) writes:

...

>>I admit I have no experience with Unixware - send me a copy and I
>>try and review it in the magazine I am writing for.
>
>Buy it yourself!  It's only $166 from Information Foundation.
>
>Cripes, all these Linuxers think everything should be given to them.
>I've gotten several emails already, demanding that I buy copies of
...

Jim, this sneer was uncalled for. I stated that I review stuff for
a magazine and it *certainly* is not customary for reviewers to buy
everything that they review. Why! If you do two or three products
every month, you would have to be a millionaire!

>
...
>been admonished by many Linuxoids "they've only just started working
>on WINE - give them time!"  What the hell - I'm going to tell my
>customers that?  Get real!
>
>Jim Vlcek

I distinctly seem to remember that you said you had no commercial
interests in Unixware... Having "customers" seems to imply commercial
activities. So it seems that you just try to throw dirt to a dangerous
alternative to the product you are selling. Is that real? If not, I
apologize.

Paai.



-- 
Copyright Hans Paijmans 1994. Niets hierboven mag geheel of
gedeeltelijk worden geciteerd buiten de nieuwsgroep(en) waar het
oorspronkelijk is geplaatst.  Nothing of the above may be cited
outside the newsgroups in which the message originally was posted.

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From: paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: 11 Aug 1994 07:31:07 GMT

In article <Cu76s8.90y@epimbe.com> vlcek@epimbe.com (James Vlcek) writes:

...
>
>As I've said, it's a great intro to UNIX for hobbyists, hackers, and
>high schoolers.  Let's not confuse it with a serious commercial
>offering.  We pushed UNIX once already onto an unready public, and
>many of them now bear an unnatural hatred for it because of that past
>misguided advocacy.
>
>Jim Vlcek

Well, Jim won't budge in the face of reality. Let's rest it at that, OK?

Paai.



-- 
Copyright Hans Paijmans 1994. Niets hierboven mag geheel of
gedeeltelijk worden geciteerd buiten de nieuwsgroep(en) waar het
oorspronkelijk is geplaatst.  Nothing of the above may be cited
outside the newsgroups in which the message originally was posted.

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From: paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: 11 Aug 1994 07:39:02 GMT

In article <1994Aug10.131414.6536@taylor.infi.net> mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis) writes:

...
>superlatives.  This does NOT mean it is suitable for use everywhere.  There
>is NO WAY Linux, for example, could run our Hospital the way SCO does now.  It
>does not have multiprocessing support, multithreads, multidrop support,
>it won't run 3/4 of the software we have to use, it does not support some
>of the special hardware we use.
>-- 
>  /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
>  | Mark A. Davis    | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 |

Remember me not to fall ill when in Norfolk, VA. I dug both into Linux
and SCO for a review and I am afraid that in the tests SCO certainly
proved to be less stable and more aggressive to operator errors than
Linux as. Admittedly those tests were rather constricted and done in
a stand-alone environment. But if a system is corrupted easily in 
stand-alone, I tend to distrust its MU-capacity.

BTW, why do you write "Hospital" with a capital "H"?

Paai.



-- 
Copyright Hans Paijmans 1994. Niets hierboven mag geheel of
gedeeltelijk worden geciteerd buiten de nieuwsgroep(en) waar het
oorspronkelijk is geplaatst.  Nothing of the above may be cited
outside the newsgroups in which the message originally was posted.

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Crossposted-To: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.sendmail,comp.os.linux
From: patrickr@cs.kun.nl (Patrick Reijnen)
Subject: Re: Mail reader over term?
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 07:25:34 GMT

In <32b6bd$t4r@news1.hh.ab.com> freyj@cselc20.cs.hh.ab.com (Jeffrey D. Frey) writes:

>I have just recently set up term2.0.4 on my linux box at home.  I was wondering
>it is possible to set up a mail reader on my local box and then user it over 
>term.  If so what is the best mail reader and how would I go about doing this?
>Thanks for the help in advance.

Yes, this is possible. Go and get yourself the package term.mailerd+smail.tar.gz on sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/apps/comm/term/term/extra or /pub/Linux/apps/comm/termstuff. Its installation is explaining itself even as its use.

(oh, I'm not telling you this is the best. I just works fine for me. I know there is another one (something like BCRMAILHANDLER) but I do not have any experience with that package)



>Jeffrey Frey


If you have any questions ..........,


Patrick Reijnen


--
************************* Patrick Reijnen *************************
* Department of Computer Science, Catholic University of Nijmegen * 
* Email:  patrickr@{sci,cs}.kun.nl                                *
* WWW:    http://{atlas,zeus}.cs.kun.nl:4000/homepage.html        *

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From: karl@class3.idca.tds.philips.nl (Karl Lovink)
Subject: Re: Booting Sun Workstation
Date: 11 Aug 94 07:39:31 GMT

In <3291tm$1cf@magix.uucp> nicolas@magix.uucp (Nicolas BOUGUES) writes:

>The Sun can't find a bootparam server, and loops forever. Of coure, I have
>bootpd installed. But I think it is not even started by the request, because
>I have patched it to log some stuff in a file when started, and I don't get
>anything.

I'am booting my SUN 3/60 from my Linux machine. I got the Xkernel
packages from sunsite. This packages contains the bootparamd daemon.
You will need this daemon in order to boot the SUN.
The SUN 3/60 and probably also you SUN does not use the bootp protocol.

Regards,
-- 
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From: torvalds@cc.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds)
Subject: Re: Upgrading to 1.1.x ?
Date: 11 Aug 1994 13:49:13 +0300

In article <32ct60$9ee@brachio.zrz.tu-berlin.de>,
Sven Goldt <goldt@math.tu-berlin.de> wrote:
>Could someone please tell me how to upgrade to 1.1.36 ?
>I remember that the 1.1.x series needs a new update program, but
>in linux-1.1.35.tar.gz there is no update.

There should be a "bdflush-1.4.tar.gz" in the same directory you found
the kernel in, which contains the new update.  Use that one (and read
the readme), and you'll be fine. 

>                                       Then patching with
>patch36.gz reveals a memprotect. So what to do with memprotect ?

It's probably 'mprotect.c', and it should be in linux/mm/..  If you use
the "-p0" flags to "patch", it will actually be put in the correct
place. 

>Why is there no documentation ?

Actually, there is some documentation on patching the kernel, found in
linux/README (and it does mention the -p0 flag).  However I have to
admit to not being too good a documentation writer, so it should
probably be expanded.  If somebody wants to write a kernel-HOWTO, it
might be a good idea.. 

>Do i really have to start with 1.1.0 and then apply all patches ?

No, you can start with a later release, and patch up only the patches
after that.  Right now the latest one is linux-1.1.43 (the places I put
new kernels on are ftp.funet.fi: pub/OS/Linux/PEOPLE/Linus/v1.1 and
ftp.cs.helsinki.fi: pub/Software/Linux/Kernel/v1.1), and this one is
actually available both as a full tar-file and as patches. 

                Linus

PS. New/fixed in 1.1.43:
 - the same crazed linux user sent me even more spelling corrections.
 - the "setup" code should be able to handle more than the 2kB limit
 - interrupt requesting re-done. "cat /proc/interrupt" if you want to.
 - some module support for the network drivers.. PCMCIA drivers on the
   way..
 - buslogic updates
 - seagate.c reset return code fix..
 - dcache update fix for ".." in a moved directory
 - proc-fs inode number handling cleanups
 - new soundcard.h which should correct the old-type ioctls

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.coherent
From: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch (Dan Pop)
Subject: Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 08:05:33 GMT

In <9408081557.24@rmkhome.com> rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly) writes:

>Dan Pop (danpop@cernapo.cern.ch) wrote:
>: In <9408042225.16@rmkhome.com> rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly) writes:
>
>: >
>: >Every UNIX box has a tape drive.
>
>: You must be kidding, aren't you? Less than 10% of the Unix workstations
>: I've seen have a tape drive. If you have the Unix boxes connected to a
>: LAN, you don't need a tape drive on each machine.
>
>At work, every system that needs a tape drive, gets a tapedrive.

This is quite a different statement than the initial one. And I guess that
the statement:

"At work, every system that needs a CD-ROM drive, gets a CD-ROM drive."

is just as true.
>
>Maybe you like to sit around for hours trying to back up hundreds of
>computers to a handful of tapedrives.

Network backup software exists precisely to back up hundreds of
computers on a single tape drive. Except for changing the tape, you
don't have to waste too much time with the backup process, it works
pretty well unattended.

And the bigger shops have better options. Our AFS servers are backed up
on the tape robot of our mainframe.
>
>Fur personal use, I have no need for a CD-ROM drive, so why should I
>buy one before the need occurs?

Assuming you're not using MSDOS for personal use, the need for a CD-ROM
drive might occur sooner than you think. The software companies are more
and more reluctant to deliver software on any other media. Or charge
significantly more when they do it.

Dan
--
Dan Pop 
CERN, CN Division
Email: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch
Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland

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From: herbert@greathan.apana.org.au (Herbert Xu ~{PmV>HI~})
Subject: Re: MouseLess Commander + Mouse Server for Linux
Date: 11 Aug 1994 17:45:40 +1000

Miguel de Icaza (miguel@roxanne.nuclecu.unam.mx) wrote:
: This is the announcement of:

: o The MouseLess Commander 0.9 with Mouse Support.

: and the 

: o General Purpose Mouse support for Linux Server.

: The major change since version 0.8 is that now the MouseLess Commander
: comes with mouse support.  In order to take advantage of this new
: feature, you will need the GPM server running on your Linux box.  If
: you run selection, you will have to replace it with GPM. 

Does GPM require the kernel option of selection support?
-- 
A.  B <=> True                  B.  A <=> False
Email:  <herbert@greathan.apana.org.au>
PGP Key:  finger herbert@sleeper.apana.org.au

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Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 10:08:51 +0200
From: kkeyte@esoc.bitnet (Karl Keyte)
Reply-To: kkeyte@esoc.bitnet
Subject: Re: Can't Malloc 192309 Bytes - Fix?

In article 14613@NEWS.CSUOHIO.EDU, damin@csuohio.edu (Greg Boehlein) writes:
>I am having a problem with Elm under Slackware 1.2.0.
>Everytime I invoke it, it tells me...
>
>Couldn't malloc 1936269459 bytes!!

I got that too.  I just added the memory it was complaining about not having
and the problem went away!

But on a more serious note - the problem is mentioned in the MAIL-HOWTO.

Karl

=========================================================================
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European Space Agency                           Fax   : +(49) 6151 904041

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From: goldt@math.tu-berlin.de (Sven Goldt)
Subject: Upgrading to 1.1.x ?
Date: 11 Aug 1994 10:05:52 GMT

Could someone please tell me how to upgrade to 1.1.36 ?
I remember that the 1.1.x series needs a new update program, but
in linux-1.1.35.tar.gz there is no update.Then patching with
patch36.gz reveals a memprotect. So what to do with memprotect ?
Why is there no documentation ?
Do i really have to start with 1.1.0 and then apply all patches ?

Thanks for help, Sven

--
*****************************************************************************
*    # THE MOST IMPORTANT FINANCIAL QUESTION IS:  Where is the money ? #    *
*****************************************************************************

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Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 13:01:29 +0200
From: kkeyte@esoc.bitnet (Karl Keyte)
Reply-To: kkeyte@esoc.bitnet
Subject: Re: rpc.nfsd changing UID [Q]

In article 37800004@GLAS, Paul Makeev <mac@glas.apc.org> writes:
>There is smth strange with rpc.nfsd on my system: the process started
>from rc.inet2 randomly changes UID. (I tested it with Linux 1.1.33-41,
>and result is the same). No problems with other daemons. Sorry
>for posting this topic here, but i get no answer from comp.os.linux.help.

Yup - does the same here.  I don't think it's random though but more something
to do with who makes first use of one of the mounted NFS devices.  I admit,
strange, and I have no idea of why or how...  Anyone?

Karl

=========================================================================
Vitrociset S.p.A.                               Tel   : +(49) 6151 902041
European Space Agency                           Fax   : +(49) 6151 904041

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From: paul@east.alma-ata.su (Paul Cadach)
Subject: Re: dip with a pulse phone line
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 09:42:37 GMT

Tim D. Bandy (bandy@paul.cs.umn.edu) wrote:
> send AT DP ###-####

Use 'dial D###-####', because 'dial' command send 'ATD' string only.


With best regards,
Paul.

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.motif
From: del@adied.oz.au (D Elson)
Subject: Re: Free Motif GUI and API (clone) for Linux
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 08:09:43 GMT

daveh@texlin.minmet.mcgill.ca (Dave Hinz) writes:

>My question:  what widget set is used by tcl/tk?  I know that there is
>a Motif wrapper in the works but without it what do the apps look like?
>Are they just the Athena widgets--are they nice in appearance like Motif?

The Tk widget set looks just like Motif (3d widgets, motif like scrollbars,
etc).  It's very nice and very close to the Motif look and feel.  Install
it on your linux box (for the half of the readers of this that are in
the comp.os.linux.misc group -- it's crossposted to there and comp.windows.
x.motif).

Tm is a Tk-alike that really is Motif -- it's a Tk wrapper around the
Motif libraries.  You need the Motif libraries to get it up and installed.
I don't know where ours came from, but it's written by Jan Newmarch at
ANU (Canberra, Australia).

Tk is good because it allows you to get prototypes up fast.  It is a
scripting language, so that has advantages and disadvantages, too
(theoretically slower than compiled stuff, but I can write a perl
script that reads a menu definition file, spits out a Tk script and
runs it).

I haven't had a lot of time to play with Tk, but what I have had has
convinced me it's worth looking at.

Del

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From: jgrape@coos.dartmouth.edu (Johan A. Grape)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: 11 Aug 1994 11:59:25 GMT



awn.....
                

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From: rwilhelm@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Robert Wilhelm)
Subject: Re: Elsa Winner 1000 Pro VLB - XF86-Server ?
Date: 11 Aug 1994 11:54:29 GMT

THR@WZL-MTQ1.WZL.RWTH-Aachen.de (Harald Thrum) writes:

>*******************************************************************************

>Any experience with that card under X11R6 ? I am planning to buy 
>the Elsa Winner 1000 Pro VLB, based on the S3 Vision864. Since 
>now i have only seen support for the Elsa Winner 1000, based on 
>other S3 chips. 

>Thanks in advance - Harald Thrum


Support for the ELSA Winner pro will be in the next release (3.1) of
XFree86.

cu,
  Robert

--
Robert Wilhelm             rwilhelm@physik.tu-muenchen.de

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.apps,comp.os.linux.help
From: irish@eskimo.com (Shannon O'Connor)
Subject: Seyon dial script
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 10:28:19 GMT

                First, Sorry to cross-post.
        I am trying to include a # in seyons dial script. I need it to 
cancel call waiting on my line (stupid phone (dis)service). I have tried 
escaping it, like this: 12\#3456789. Doesn't work. I tried quoting it, 
like this: '12#3456789' Doesn't work either. I don't know why this is, 
I've never had a problem with any other script. If you could *please 
mail* responses/questions/metoo's to me, it would be greatly appreciated, 
as I have not yet got caught up on these groups. Thanks in Advance, 
                        S. O'Connor
                        irish@eskimo.com


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From: doug@netcom.com (Doug Merritt)
Subject: Re: Reading LDP files (was Re: InfoMagic order fullfilment...)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 05:37:59 GMT

In article <321n8l$17k@renux.frmug.fr.net> cougnenc@blaise.ibp.fr (Rene COUGNENC) writes:
>Ce brave Tim Smith ecrit:
>> there some way to get nice readable ASCII?  (e.g., what is X in the
>> following: "X is to Tex/Latex as nroff is to troff"?)
>
>The best way to read and use the books is to print them.

The standard Unix/X solution is to use dvi2ps to translate the TeX
dvi output into postscript, followed by  gs (ghostscript) to display
the postscript under X.

One would think that there's a dvi2ps of some sort available under Linux
by now, but I don't know that for sure.
        Doug
-- 
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Professional Wild-eyed Visionary        Member, Crusaders for a Better Tomorrow

Unicode Novis Cypherpunks Gutenberg Wavelets Conlang Logli Alife HC_III
Computational linguistics Fundamental physics Cogsci SF GA VR CASE TLAs

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From: harbick_andrew@bah.com (Andrew V Harbick)
Subject: Word Perfect?
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 08:22:11

Hi,

Am I out in left field or did I see a couple of posts a month or two ago that 
indicated that there is a version of Word Perfect for Unix/Linux.  If I'm not 
crazy where is a demo/shareware copy or is it only registered available.

Andy
(harbick_andrew@bah.com)

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From: krauss@charlie.igd.fhg.de (Jens Krauss (Steinfath))
Subject: Re: Would Linux *just* run on this setup
Date: 11 Aug 1994 11:43:41 GMT
Reply-To: igd.fhg.de

In article <32426k$gm7@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz>, Ivan.Murray@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Ivan Murray) writes:
> 
> I've got a 386/387 @ 20MHz, 4mb RAM and a 420Mb HD.  How usable would Linux be
> with this setup? 
> 


Slow, really slow!!

I have a 386, 8MB and 380MB-HD!! It works well, until I start a bigger X-App!
Then swapping is on.......!!!

But 4MB Ram is enough without X, but with development!!!!


ciao Jens

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