Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #588
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Date:     Thu, 11 Aug 94 07:13:06 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #588, Volume #2                Thu, 11 Aug 94 07:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Multi-threaded linux-kernel (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: 3rd+ IDE Drives (Ian McCloghrie)
  Re: Mild warning about slackware installed users. (Vassili Leonov)
  Re: STREAMS  (was I hope this wont ignite ... (Dirk Weigenand)
  Re: Boca 8 Port Board - Great For Linux (Norm Walker)
  Linux with TRUMPET? (Brian Watts)
  Re: lynx mosaic and term, oh, my! (Ken Sorensen)
  Re: Cannot keep XON/XOFF flow control (olav woelfelschneider)
  Word Processor Project: What happened? (Ken Sorensen)
  UW Merge/Windows vs. Insignia vs. etc. (Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?) (dan@dna.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu)
  Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion) (Rick Kelly)
  Re: Usefulness of BSD/Linux Source Knowledge (was BSD vs. LINUX) (Rick Kelly)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson)
  Re: lsm - where is it ? (Konstantin Prokopiu)
  Elsa Winner 1000 Pro VLB - XF86-Server ? (Harald Thrum)
  XON/XOFF (again) and "efax" HELP!!!! (Bruce Parkin)
  Re: xfig on slackware 2.0.0 (Steffen Jakob)

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Multi-threaded linux-kernel
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 00:23:42 GMT

In article <721.2E495A94@purplet.demon.co.uk>, jaggy@purplet.demon.co.uk (Mike Jagdis) says:
+---------------
| Are you confusing threads with SMP here? Threads are not really a problem 
| for the kernel as it is (although the user libraries would need mutex 
| locking to make use of threads). It's only when you go to SMP architectures 
+------------->8

I got the impression that he was talking about a kernel that used threads
*within the kernel*, a' la SunOS 5 (example:  Solaris NFS no longer uses biod,
but instead the kernel spawns new kernel threads).  If I misunderstood, then
my points were irrelevant; if I'm right, it doesn't take a multiprocessor to
cause problems --- just a context switch within the kernel at the wrong time.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH         [44.70.4.88]             bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
Linux development:  iBCS2, JNOS, MH

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From: ianm@apprentice.qualcomm.com (Ian McCloghrie)
Subject: Re: 3rd+ IDE Drives
Date: 11 Aug 94 01:06:28 GMT

shauser@hookup.net (Steve Hauser) writes:

>addresses and IRQs (if you don't mind cutting traces...).  By looking at the 
>mods that atdisk2 does to the hd.c driver, it should be relatively easy to add 
>a hd2.c etc. for more drives.

As I recall, hacking a card to use a different IRQ is easy, much
easier than hacking it to use a different port.  Since there's only
two 'standard' AT-style disk port addresses, this makes it difficult
to use more than two ('cause you'd have to find a card that allowed
*really* weird addresses).  Actually, consdering the trivial amounts
of circuitry that it takes to make an IDE bus interface, it oughta be
fairly simple to BUILD one that you could put wherever you liked...

--
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The above represents my personal opinions and not necessarily those
of my employer, Qualcomm Inc.


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From: vassili@cs.sunysb.edu (Vassili Leonov)
Subject: Re: Mild warning about slackware installed users.
Date: 10 Aug 1994 19:41:32 GMT

Rusty Carruth (rusty@indirect.com) wrote:
: and noticed 3 users which had been installed - gonzo, snake, and pit
: (or was that hell?).  Anwyay, they all 3 had no passwords assigned.
Because I like Slackware distribution - and I don't want anybody
to compromise it in any way - thus the following:

In the slackware distribution from the InfoMagic
disk I've got the following in the /etc/passwd file:

gonzo:*:418:100::/home/gonzo:/bin/bash
satan:*:419:100::/home/hell:/bin/bash
snake:*:420:100::/home/pit:/bin/bash

and you can see the '*' as a password. You can try - and find out that
you can not really login to these accounts because of '*'. So I wonder
if the author of the warning was actually trying to login as snake etc.
Vassili.

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From: weigo@asi09.rz.uni-leipzig.de (Dirk Weigenand)
Subject: Re: STREAMS  (was I hope this wont ignite ...
Date: 10 Aug 1994 17:34:01 GMT

Hi, 

i followed the discussion within this thread and would like to get
some pointers to related literature. The point is that i probably
have to write my thesis on comparison between the SunOs socket
implementation and the STREAMS in solaris. The folks want to know
what they get if they switch to solaris.

Any pointers are appreciated. Especially those on van Jacobson's
Methods.

Thanks!

Dirk



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From: nwalker@cln.etc.bc.ca (Norm Walker)
Subject: Re: Boca 8 Port Board - Great For Linux
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 18:00:40 GMT


to use a bocaboard for modems works ok if it not going to be a 
dialin/dialout ... eg using uugetty
you use the hardware handshaking lines for modem control
-- 
Merritt Secondary School - Computer Support Teacher

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From: brian@xp.psych.nyu.edu (Brian Watts)
Subject: Linux with TRUMPET?
Date: 11 Aug 1994 00:57:12 GMT


I have a strange problem using Trumpet Winsock with TCPMAN for Windows.
It works OK when connected through the network, but when I use
SLIP, it only can communicate with the computer *directly*
connected to it... all other attempts to reach either locally
networked computers, or those through the router fail... ping
gives no response.  The SLIP server is working fine because 
other Linux boxes can connect up through the SLIP network
interface, and can reach other computers on the network as well
as through the router to the Internet.  However, with exactly the
same configuration, the TCPMAN SLIP can not reach other computers
on the network.  Has anyone else experienced this problem?  

SLIP host:

lo        Link encap Local Loopback  
          inet addr 127.0.0.1  Bcast 127.255.255.255  Mask 255.0.0.0
          UP BROADCAST LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU 2000  Metric 1
          RX packets 0 errors 0 dropped 0 overrun 0
          TX packets 34 errors 0 dropped 0 overrun 0

sl0       Link encap Serial Line IP  
          inet addr 199.35.249.1  P-t-P 199.35.249.20  Mask 255.255.255.0
          UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING  MTU 296  Metric 1
          RX packets 562 errors 0 dropped 0 overrun 23
          TX packets 351 errors 0 dropped 0 overrun 29

eth0      Link encap 10Mbps Ethernet  HWaddr 00:00:21:29:97:06
          inet addr 199.35.249.1  Bcast 199.35.249.255  Mask 255.255.255.0
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING  MTU 1500  Metric 1
          RX packets 52489 errors 0 dropped 0 overrun 0
          TX packets 76775 errors 0 dropped 0 overrun 0


Kernel routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref Use    Iface
199.35.249.20   0.0.0.0         255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0 sl0
199.35.249.2    199.35.249.20   255.255.255.255 UGH   0      0       43 sl0
199.35.249.0    0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0      612 eth0
127.0.0.0       0.0.0.0         255.0.0.0       U     0      0       34 lo
0.0.0.0         199.35.249.254  0.0.0.0         UG    0      0    71896 eth0

If anyone can help, I'd be most grateful.

Thanks.

Brian

======================================================================
brian@xp.psych.nyu.edu

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From: ksore@atr-14 (Ken Sorensen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: lynx mosaic and term, oh, my!
Date: 1 Aug 1994 16:14:39 GMT

Bill McCarthy (bmccarth@gulfaero.com) wrote:
: Hiya:

: Well...... thanks to Pat, I got tlynx and tMosaic for term. Iffin you 
: got term and don't got these, boy oh boy, getem. Slick. Now, I got to
: get me a faster modem. Right now I believ Linux sez I got a 16450 - MSD

Git yerself a serial port with'n a 16550 UART. It'll help a lot.

: in msdog sez 8250 or some such. Anyway, should I be able to plug in a
: 14.4 or 9600 with no problems? Figure I'd buy a Hayes internal 14.4 Acura,
: I think it's the name, for about $149.00. Sound good? Man, Linux has got its

The new V.34 modems (28.8k) are comming, they're not out just yet (well ther
are some that are 28.8k but not exactly v.34). Either wait a month or two for
the real V.34, or buy a 28.8k that's upgradable. Don't go for a 14.4 and
God forbid you get a 9600! Yeach!!!! Pththtttt!!! Ack!!

: act together. I just couldn't believe how easy termgopher, tlynx and tMosaic
: installed. No problems aytall. thanks again to the folk who done the coding!


--
Kenneth Sorensen                    |  ksore@sed.hac.com
====================================+==================================
Hughes Aircraft Company             |  Phone: (714) 732-9816
P.O. Box 3310                       |  Fax:   (714) 732-1953
Fullerton, California, US           +----------------------------------
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From: wosch@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (olav woelfelschneider)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Cannot keep XON/XOFF flow control
Date: 10 Aug 1994 18:15:10 GMT

Bruce Parkin (parki005@gold.tc.umn.edu) wrote:
: I have a Telebit WorldBlazer modem with FAX capability. I've been
: trying to get "efax" to work, with little success. From what I can
: tell, XON/XOFF flow control will just not work. I have all tried all
: the possible register settings, with no success. With a 9600 bps mod. 
: rate I am getting thruputs of greater than 12,000 bps; as well as
: a warning about extra XON/XOFF characters at the start of transmision.

Yeah, it really seems that linux' Xon/Xoff support is broken... I was just too
lazy to write to someone who is responsible for the serial driver.

I did a dirty fix for the 1.1.9 kernel and it worked for me. I wasn't able
to fix it in the newer kernels though, since the serial driver was
completely rewritten.

Maybe you should write to the serial author and ask for a fix.

Tell me if you need the fix for 1.1.9, I will mail you my serial.c then.
I can't do any diff, since I didn't keep the original serial.c ...

As far as I found out, the bug is that the driver fails to restart
transmitter interrupts when he wants to send Xon. So the transmission hangs.
My fix is to force a transmitter interrupt everytime Xon has to be sent.
This is very dirty though.... but it works.


Hope this helps.
--
/======================================\
| Olav "Mac" Woelfelschneider          |
| wosch@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de |
+--------------------------------------+
| I refuse to grow up,                 |
| I don't want to lose my humor...     |
\======================================/

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From: ksore@atr-14 (Ken Sorensen)
Subject: Word Processor Project: What happened?
Date: 3 Aug 1994 22:41:45 GMT

I remember there being a project to develop a WYSIWYG word processor
for Linux, started over a year ago. There was mention of it being done
in TCL/TK, but I haven't seen any mention of it in at least 9 months
or more.

Any ideas what happened?

PS: I'm not talking about EZ from the Andrew project.

Ken
--
Kenneth Sorensen                    |  ksore@sed.hac.com
====================================+==================================
Hughes Aircraft Company             |  Phone: (714) 732-9816
P.O. Box 3310                       |  Fax:   (714) 732-1953
Fullerton, California, US           +----------------------------------
92634-3310, Mail Station: 618/B223  |  #include <std-disclaimer.h>

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From: dan@dna.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware,comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine
Subject: UW Merge/Windows vs. Insignia vs. etc. (Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?)
Date: 10 Aug 1994 04:47:11 GMT
Reply-To: dan@dna.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu

        Has anyone done a decent coparison between the Windows-on-Unix
alternatives ?
        My cursory testing makes me believe that the UW DOSMerge/Windows
that comes with UW is better than SoftPC+Windows, certainly at least on
NextStep/Intel. The speed of UW Merge/Windows seems pretty good. Haven't yet
done remote X serving of Windows, but that capability is certainly a plus.
And that it comes with UW is another plus.
        Anybody think that SoftPC, SoftWindows, Wabi, Wine is better than
Merge/Windows (on an Intel platform) ?
                        Cheers,
                        Dan Ts'o                713-798-3331
                        Div. Neuroscience       FAX: 713-798-3897
                        Baylor College of Medicine
                        1 Baylor Plaza S553     dan@dna.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu
                        Houston, TX  77030      tso@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu 


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.coherent
From: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Subject: Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion)
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 00:17:05 GMT

Chris Mauritz (ritz@ritz.mordor.com) wrote:
: Rick Kelly (rmk@rmkhome.com) wrote:
: : Orc (orc@pell.com) wrote:
: : : In article <9408042225.16@rmkhome.com>, Rick Kelly <rmk@rmkhome.com> wrote:

: : : >Every UNIX box has a tape drive.

: : :    Well, if you don't count workstations or PC Unices, I'd be
: : : willing to believe that.  (I've worked on Suns where the only way
: : : to do backup was to find the one machine that has a tape drive and
: : : nfs-mount my filesystems onto that machine, or call my home machine
: : : and backup via a term connection.)

: : What I meant was that _I_ work in an environment where every unix box
: : has a tapedrive.

: Fine, but I don't think you're personal situation is indicative
: of the situation of people in general.

What I'm also saying is:

Okay, I want to install Linux, let's say.  I don't want to feed 40 or so
floppies into the machine.  I buy a CD drive (~$100) and install Linux
from the CD drive.  The next time I will have a use for the drive will be
when I have to load another OS from CD-ROM.


-- 

Rick Kelly  rmk@rmkhome.com  rmk@bedford.progress.com

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Subject: Re: Usefulness of BSD/Linux Source Knowledge (was BSD vs. LINUX)
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 03:56:21 GMT

Michael L. VanLoon (michaelv@iastate.edu) wrote:
: In <9408081643.04@rmkhome.com> rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly) writes:

: >Peter G. Berger (peterb@telerama.lm.com) wrote:

: >: In article <9408040155.38@rmkhome.com>, Rick Kelly <rmk@rmkhome.com> wrote:

: >: >Well, if AT&T dies, the USENET dies, as they own all the leased lines
: >: >in the US.

: >: No, they don't.
: >: Not even *close*.

: >The telephone infrastructure of the US is based primarily on the AT&T
: >long distance trunk lines.  MCI, Sprint, etc lease the use of these lines
: >from AT&T.

: Then how did Sprint manage to get all those coast-to-coast fiber lines
: before anyone else, way back when?  Hmmm...

How is it that Sprint customers in some parts of the country are told that
my phone number, which has AT&T as the long distance carrier, doesn't exist?

The current NSF backbone is AT&T.

Soon It will be MCI.  At that point a new Internet will spring up or we'll
all pay MCI by the byte.


-- 

Rick Kelly  rmk@rmkhome.com  rmk@bedford.progress.com

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From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07)
Date: 11 Aug 1994 04:03:20 -0600

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
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Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.


Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
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From: okp@mpepl@plasma.mpe-garching.mpg.de (Konstantin Prokopiu)
Subject: Re: lsm - where is it ?
Date: 10 Aug 1994 07:26:40 GMT
Reply-To: okp@mpepl@plasma.mpe-garching.mpg.de (Konstantin Prokopiu)


Pedro Roque wrote:

>> I lost the URL of the Linux Software Map ... 
>> couldn't find it in the META-FAQ either ....
>> so please be a kind sould mail it to me ....


Well, here it is (at least the one I am using):

   http://siva.cshl.org/lsm/lsm.html


Kosta

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From: THR@WZL-MTQ1.WZL.RWTH-Aachen.de (Harald Thrum)
Subject: Elsa Winner 1000 Pro VLB - XF86-Server ?
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 12:27:42

*******************************************************************************

Any experience with that card under X11R6 ? I am planning to buy 
the Elsa Winner 1000 Pro VLB, based on the S3 Vision864. Since 
now i have only seen support for the Elsa Winner 1000, based on 
other S3 chips. 

Thanks in advance - Harald Thrum

*******************************************************************************

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
From: parki005@gold.tc.umn.edu (Bruce Parkin)
Subject: XON/XOFF (again) and "efax" HELP!!!!
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 07:31:43 GMT

With one exception my original post was ignored, so I'll
try again.

It seems XON/XOFF flow control is BROKEN in Linux. This
has been verified by others emailing me. 

What is going to be done about it?

I know RTS/CTS is assumed to be better. But for "efax",
and I hear some printers, XON/XOFF is required.

Awaiting a response from someone else! Thankyou very much...

bruce.parkin-1@umn.edu

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From: yobes@darmstadt.gmd.de (Steffen Jakob)
Subject: Re: xfig on slackware 2.0.0
Date: 10 Aug 94 08:02:34 GMT


In article <328f2c$ns0@agate.berkeley.edu>, josefd@albert.ssl.berkeley.edu (Josef Dalcolmo) writes:
> I installed slackware 2.0.0 on my 33MHz 486 VLB machine (8Mb RAM, 15+Mb swap
> partition, ext2fs, linux 1.0.9)
> 
> Most things work just fine, but xfig rattles the hard disk for about 10
> minutes when launched, and the just quits (after drawing part of it's
> workbench on the screen).
> 
> I wonder if anyone else has had a similar experience, or got it to work.

Yes, the same thing happens on my machine (linux 1.0.9, 486DX40, 8MB, 20MB swap) .
> 
> - Josef
> 
Gruss,
Steffen.

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