Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #586
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Date:     Wed, 10 Aug 94 19:13:08 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #586, Volume #2                Wed, 10 Aug 94 19:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  RESULT: 8 Meg system is probably fine (Paul Hoffman)
  SVNet meeting August 17: Bill Jolitz - 386BSD 1.0 Design and features (Paul Fronberg [CONTRACTOR])
  Re: [BUG] in cp (copy) on DOS fs. (Martien Hulsen)
  Re: xfig on slackware 2.0.0 (R.W.F. van der &)
  Re: Hard Drive Probs: Maxtor:Conner Combo,Vergy Strange!!!!!!!! (Mike G.)
  LINUX on PPC/orange card (Laurent Debraux)
  Re: net user gets burnt! (Jonathan I. Kamens)
  ADAPTEC 2842 (Ronald D Kurr)
  Where did "Yggdrasil" come from? (Kenneth Brody)
  xpilot on 486-33? (Jim Day)
  Re: Database Illustrator (tm) product announcement (Klaus Lichtenwalder)
  Re: Where did "Yggdrasil" come from? (Wade T. Miller)
  Re: txconn from term209 gives: can't open display error. (Patrick Reijnen)
  What is the __REAL__ status of ftape (Marcel Knol)
  Re: PHIGS for Linux? (Hans de Hartog)
  Re: Smail/Sendmail problem (Tim Maher/Consultix)
  Re: mput, mget different speed ? (Andrew R. Tefft)
  Current kernel features (Stephen Collyer)

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From: phoffman@proper.com (Paul Hoffman)
Subject: RESULT: 8 Meg system is probably fine
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 08:43:47 -0800

Thanks to all who posted replies and sent me email answering the question
of whether an 8 meg system would handle simple things out of inetd at low
volumes. Of the 5 or 6 responses, all said that it would work fine. Some
cautioned against using x11 on that system, which is fine with me. So, off
to Dell...

--Paul Hoffman, President
--Proper Publishing

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From: paulf@panic.Eng.Sun.COM (Paul Fronberg [CONTRACTOR])
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.linux.development,comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.os.386bsd.announce,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.internals,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.unix.solaris,ba.internet
Subject: SVNet meeting August 17: Bill Jolitz - 386BSD 1.0 Design and features
Date: 9 Aug 1994 17:44:00 -0700


SVNet Meeting, Wednesday Aug 17, 1994 7:30pm Mountain View


                            386BSD Release 1.0:
           New Innovations in Kernel Design and Architecture

                               William F. Jolitz
                                    TeleMuse


WHAT:  386BSD, R1.0 - Kernel Design and Features


   "Has 386BSD made any progress towards these new design goals  
   --  by  attempting  to create New Innovations in Kernel Design 
   and Architecture and meet these challenges head on -- or has it 
   fallen  into the fatal  stagnation  of so many other Unix projects 
   which held out great promise but then grew stale and bloated over  time
   for a lack of new ideas?"  That is the question posed by Bill Jolitz
   which he will answer in this presentation at SVNet.  

        In this brief talk, some of the new kernel design  work
   contained in 386BSD Release 1.0 will be discussed along with
   some additional new items of special  interest  (e.g.  secu-
   rity).  In  particular,  our speaker will  focus on answering these
   design challenges posed two years ago, to wit:

   *    How do we better adapt a Unix-like system to the PC  to
        encourage usability and plug-and-play?

   *    How do we  avoid  file  I/O  and  network  transmission
        bottlenecks  to  allow real multimedia and gigabit net-
        working?

   *    How do we achieve multiprocessing in the 1990's?

   *    How do we  allow  people  to  do  independent  work  on
        filesystems  and  other  subsystems  independent of the
        basic kernel?

   He will then outline in brief the next series of design
   goals and work-in-progress to be included in future versions
   of 386BSD.

   This talk is intended for people interested in new kernel 
   and operating systems design. 
 
     *** 386BSD Reference CD Demonstration System ***
 
   For those interested in viewing what is contained on
   the Dr. Dobbs Journal 386BSD Reference CD, a demonstration
   system will be made available.  This system contains the com-
   plete operational 386BSD Release 1.0 system as well as the
   complete and hyperlinked select kernel source annotations,
   book excerpts from the pending book on 386BSD Release 1.0
   entitled 386BSD From the Inside-Out, the complete Porting
   UNIX to the 386 386BSD article series which appeared in Dr.
   Dobbs Journal, and a number of other new 386BSD Release 1.0
   writings which have never before appeared in print.
 
WHO:  Bill Jolitz, Telemuse
 
   Bill Jolitz began the 386BSD Project in 1989 as a way
   of encouraging innovation in operating systems design on an
   inexpensive PC platform. He has worked on operating system
   design for BSD and commercial Unix systems since the 1970's
   (including 2.8 BSD, where he was the Principle Designer).
   Bill is also a popular published author who has written
   extensively on new kernel and system design, networking,
   security, and other areas. He currently works as an indus-
   try consultant on a wide range of projects, most recently
   projects in clustering, security, telecommunications, and
   gigabit networking.

WHEN:  Wednesday, August 17, 1994 at 7:30pm

 
WHERE:  Sun Microsystems Bldg 6, 2750 Coast Avenue, Mountain View
    Coast Ave appears to be just a driveway next to Bldg 5 on Garcia Ave 
    between Amphitheatre Pkwy and San Antonio, so don't get confused.


For more information, please call either Paul Fronberg at (415) 366-6403 
        or Ralph Barker at (408) 559-6202.

     SVNet is a UNIX  and open systems user group supported 
                 by member dues and donations.



             SVNet Meetings are FREE and OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
                  UNIX is a registered trademark X/Open 




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From: martien@dutw85.wbmt.tudelft.nl (Martien Hulsen)
Subject: Re: [BUG] in cp (copy) on DOS fs.
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 15:07:58 GMT

Robert Logan (rl@dmu.ac.uk) wrote:

> Whoa - I appear to have found a major bug in Linux 'cp'.
> Im on patchlevel 1.0.9 - Slackware 2.0 - with 3 Linux
> partitions and 1 DOS partition.

> Earlier this month I couldnt work out what had happened
> when I backed up my Linux essentials to my DOS partition
> in anticipation of an upgrade....

> When one does a cp on a DOS partition incorrectly, data
> can be lost with consumate ease, thus (Note the missing dot):

>   cp /dosc/hold/xx.*

> If you have 2 files, xx.aaa and xx.bbb, then xx.aaa will
> overwrite xx.bbb - there is no error message about bad
> syntax.

> Needless to say - I lost over 10 megs of data. 

> buyer beware.

> bert
> --
> --------------------------------
> Linux - too bloody good for you.
> --------------------------------
                              ^^^
                              Shouldn't this read: ME :)

As far as I can see it 'cp /dosc/hold/xx.*' expands into

  cp /dosc/hold/xx.aaa /dosc/hold/xx.bbb

and cp does exactly what it is supposed to do. Hence: no bug.

Martien

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Subject: Re: xfig on slackware 2.0.0
From: plank@phys.uva.nl (R.W.F. van der &)
Date: 10 Aug 1994 08:07:19 GMT

In article <328f2c$ns0@agate.berkeley.edu> josefd@albert.ssl.berkeley.edu (Josef Dalcolmo) writes:
   I installed slackware 2.0.0 on my 33MHz 486 VLB machine (8Mb RAM, 15+Mb swap
   partition, ext2fs, linux 1.0.9)

   Most things work just fine, but xfig rattles the hard disk for about 10
   minutes when launched, and the just quits (after drawing part of it's
   workbench on the screen).

   I wonder if anyone else has had a similar experience, or got it to work.

   - Josef
I had this problem once as well. Someone (Tat Jen ?) posted a solution:
Change the line in /var/X11/lib/X11/app-defaults/Fig-color
which states
#include "Fig"
to :
#include "Fig-standard"

This works for me. It seemed that #include "Fig" caused a problem as
Fig was linked to Fig-color; in this way "Fig" was included
'infinitely' many times (or as many times as memory allowed for).

Roel van der Plank. plank@phys.uva.nl
'Jeg heter ikke Linus, men jeg uttaler Linux som Linux likevel'.




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From: mgebhard@panix.com (Mike G.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Hard Drive Probs: Maxtor:Conner Combo,Vergy Strange!!!!!!!!
Date: 9 Aug 1994 21:04:11 -0400

In <3280l0$l4f@uuneo.neosoft.com> lellis@dmccorp.com (John Lellis) writes:

*** stuff deleted ***

>I really wanted to boot the larger Seagate as the DOS system and have Linux on
>the smaller Conner drive.  You could probably do that using LILO in your MBR
>on the Conner (as master) and boot DOS off the slave from LILO.  Since the first
>disk wouldn't have any DOS partitions on it, the first DOS partition on the
>slave drive should be recognized as C:, right?  But, I took the chicken's way
>out and partitioned the Seagate (slave) drive with a DOS (D:) partition and
>Linux partitions (ext2 and swap).  Not exactly what I wanted, but I can live
>with it.

>--
Greetings!!

        FWIW, I too, have heard of problems with Conners and Maxtor's 
getting along. I have also heard of Conners not getting along with older 
Western Digital drives.

        Thankfully my newer Western Digital Caviar and my Conner 340 work 
just fine with the WD=master, Conner=Slave combination.

        There is a rather lengthy discussion of this type of drive
incompatibility that can be found in the "comp.ibm.pc.hardware" FAQ, 
which is a frequent posting in that group. 

        I would suggest that anyone planning on a master/slave 
combination of any two different brand drives check that document out 
before buying...

Regards,
Mike Gebhardt
mgebhard@panix.com



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From: ldebraux@hds.univ-compiegne.fr (Laurent Debraux)
Subject: LINUX on PPC/orange card
Date: 10 Aug 1994 16:09:07 GMT
Reply-To: ldebraux@hds.univ-compiegne.fr

let's try this again with the correct subject :

Who know if it is poosible to use LINUX on an apple PPC with
an ORANGE card (intel DX2 or DX4)

answer me directly by email Thanks 



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From: jik@cam.ov.com (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips
Subject: Re: net user gets burnt!
Date: 10 Aug 1994 20:23:00 GMT

(I have cross-posted and directed followups to comp.os.linux.misc, one of the
newsgroups to which my review was originally posted.  Discussion of what a
Linux vendor is or isn't obligated to provide with its systems is far more
appropriate in comp.os.linux.misc than in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips.)

In article <325oj4$j9s@crl5.crl.com>, bogdan@crl.com (Bogdan Urma) writes:
|>       Alot of the problems you mentioned were SOFTWARE LINUX problems which
|> you should have figured out on your own.

I paid SWT to "figure them out" for me, and they told me that they would do
that when they were wooing me to buy a computer from them.

I am quite capable of solving Linux problems, and in fact, I did solve myself
many of the Linux problems that I reported to SWT (and a large number of
others that I didn't list in my review of SWT).  That's not the point.  The
point is that SWT claims to sell systems with Linux pre-installed and
pre-configured for optimal performance, and in the case of the machine they
sold me, Linux wasn't installed and configured properly.  I didn't get what I
paid for.

|> There isn't any vendor which 
|> provides technical support for Linux systems.

Actually, a number of vendors, including SWT and others such as Fintronics,
claim to provide technical support for Linux.  In fact, one of the vendors (it
may be Yggdrasil, but I'm not certain) promises that if you pay them enough
money, they'll fix any bug you report in Linux and send you a new CD-ROM with
the bug fixed.

If you had read the purchase agreement at the end of my review, you would have
seen that SWT promised me "Life time expect technical support, through
telephone, email or mail."

|> To find out the device names
|> under Linux of your installed devices you needed to read the Linux HOWTO and
|> FAQ documents.

SWT promised me "Manuals for the system, the system components and `Linux,
Installation and Getting Started Guide'."  I believe that manuals for system
components should include at the very least the names of the devices that were
custom-installed by SWT.  For example, they didn't even tell me what SCSI
device numbers they used for the various SCSI devices they installed.

|> Also you mentioned LILO was set up to boot DOS and you said
|> that DOS wasn't even installed on your system, but later you mentioned a 
|> keyboard problem you were having under a DOS diagnostic program?  It doesn't
|> make sense.

I'm sorry you were confused by my mention of the diagnostic program.  If you
had sent me E-mail and asked me, rather than attacking me in a public posting,
I would have explained to you that SWT sent me a floppy disk image containing
both the diagnostic program and DOS; I booted DOS off of the floppy in order
to run the diagnostics.

|> While your system apparently did have some hardware problems like
|> the insufficient cooling, half of the stuff you mentioned are problems most
|> Linux users face while learning Linux.

That may or may not be true.  But SWT promised that I wouldn't have to face
those problems, and I paid them for that promise.

-- 
Jonathan Kamens  |  OpenVision Technologies, Inc.  |   jik@cam.ov.com

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From: kurr@rogue (Ronald D Kurr)
Subject: ADAPTEC 2842
Date: 10 Aug 1994 19:25:54 GMT

What is the status of the Adaptec 2842 scsi driver?  My
friend just bought Slackware 2.0 but it doesn't have
support for his adapter card.  Somebody told him that
the driver is being built but wasn't sure when it would
be finished.

Thanks,

Ron

--
Ronald D. Kurr           Voice: (603) 337-7363    
Cabletron Systems, Inc.  Fax  : (603) 337-7370    
PO Box 5005              kurr@ctron.com            
Rochester, NH 03868      72470.764@compuserve.com

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From: kenbrody@cloud9.net (Kenneth Brody)
Subject: Where did "Yggdrasil" come from?
Date: 10 Aug 1994 16:47:36 GMT

Subject says it all.  Does anybody know where the name "Yggdrasil" comes
from?


--
+-----------+-------------------------------+--------------------------------+
|  Kenneth  | Internet: kenbrody@cloud9.net | "The opinions expressed herein |
|     J.    |   FP BBS: Kenneth Brody       |  are not necessarily those of  |
|   Brody   |      CIS: 71455,225           |  The Small Computer Company."  |
+-----------+-------------------------------+--------------------------------+

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From: day@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Jim Day)
Subject: xpilot on 486-33?
Date: 8 Aug 1994 21:58:30 GMT


I recently installed Linux on my 486-33 machine at home recently.  I downloaded Xpilot the other night and compiled it (was very simple...no errors or complaints).  Running it was another story...it was real slow...especially to my commands....so my questiion is...was this due to just my processor being a 33 MHz and this is all I can expect or are there tunings which can be done to make Xpilot work, even on a 486-33....

Email (or post for others if you wish)

Jim 




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From: klaus@gaston.isar.muc.de (Klaus Lichtenwalder)
Subject: Re: Database Illustrator (tm) product announcement
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 09:27:19 GMT

marc@otbbb.demon.co.uk (Marc Bowden) writes:

>> Introducing a new product that will assist Linux users by creating
>> automatically arranged entity relationship diagrams.
>> Database Illustrator(tm) is an easy-to-use documentation tool for Oracle 6
>> or Oracle 7 databases. Utilizing information stored in your database, DBI

Sorry,
I didn't get the original post. Could please someone send me
more details about Database Illustrator(tm).

Klaus

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From: wmiller@vyonous.kennesaw.edu (Wade T. Miller)
Subject: Re: Where did "Yggdrasil" come from?
Date: 10 Aug 1994 20:26:46 GMT

Kenneth Brody (kenbrody@cloud9.net) wrote:
: Subject says it all.  Does anybody know where the name "Yggdrasil" comes
: from?


: --
: +-----------+-------------------------------+--------------------------------+
: |  Kenneth  | Internet: kenbrody@cloud9.net | "The opinions expressed herein |
: |     J.    |   FP BBS: Kenneth Brody       |  are not necessarily those of  |
: |   Brody   |      CIS: 71455,225           |  The Small Computer Company."  |
: +-----------+-------------------------------+--------------------------------+

Yggsdrasil is the name of the world tree in Norse mythology.  The roots 
of Yggdrasil reached into the underworld, and its branches supported the
heavens. 
-from the summer 94 release by Yggdrasil.

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From: patrickr@cs.kun.nl (Patrick Reijnen)
Subject: Re: txconn from term209 gives: can't open display error.
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 09:15:56 GMT

In <CuAGnI.CK1@du.edu> ssinglet@cassandra.cair.du.edu (Steven Singleton) writes:

>Hi, 

>I've been trying to get the txconn program of the term package to run,
>but I've run aground!  I have term running on the remote machine
>(RS600, aix, bash, hostname=gauss) and the local machine (clone,
>linux, bash, hostname=xenon).  Both are running term203.  The local
>machine is running trsh in an rxvt window.  trsh runs fine between the
>two.  tupload runs fine.  I have a direct connection (ie no modem).
>To use txconn, I run the txconn program on the remote (gauss) from a
>trsh and note the x-screen the txconn is bound to.  I then export the
>DISPLAY variable using: export DISPLAY=gauss:0 (or whatever screen
>number txconn reported) on the remote machine.  If I echo $DISPLAY, I
>see gauss:0.  BUT, when I try to run an x-app from the remote machine,
>I always get a "cannot open display gauss:0" error.

More people have had this problem. On your local machine you can try the following thing after running txconn and exporting the DISPLAY:

xhost + gauss

>I tried to use the tredir instead of txconn, by issuing a "tredir 6009
>6000" command.  I end up with the same problem.  Any suggestions?  Am
>I being a total bonehead?  Thanks,

>Steve 
>ssinglet@du.edu


Hope this helps,


Patrick REijnen


--
************************* Patrick Reijnen *************************
* Department of Computer Science, Catholic University of Nijmegen * 
* Email:  patrickr@{sci,cs}.kun.nl                                *
* WWW:    http://{atlas,zeus}.cs.kun.nl:4000/homepage.html        *

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: mlknol@cs.vu.nl (Marcel Knol)
Subject: What is the __REAL__ status of ftape
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 09:41:25 GMT


I am planning to buy a floppy tape streamer which can be used with
FTape. I am wondering how well ftape is working. Some time ago I heard
all kinds of problems about not being able to read and/or write data. 

However, lately I almost only read about problems regarding compiling
ftape which is probably caused by the enormous amount of kernel versions, 
distributions and other different versions of software. 

Are there people out there really using ftape? What is the chance, when 
I buy a tape streamer, it won't work? I have a 486/66 with VLB IDE
controller and two floppy disks. I use kernel version 1.1.19, but I
don't mind upgrading.

Does anyone have other hints or suggestion concerning a floppy tape
streamer (besides that I should buy a SCSI tape streamer, I know, but
I can afford it right now) ?


Kind regards,


Marcel Knol
-- 
Marcel Knol,                                               <mlknol@cs.vu.nl>
Department of mathematics and computer science,
Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam,
The Netherlands.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: dehartog@ccult1.comcons.nl (Hans de Hartog)
Subject: Re: PHIGS for Linux?
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 09:19:05 GMT

mjv@myhost.subdomain.domain (Michael Vinson) writes:

>Is there an implementation of the PHIGS graphics standard available
>for Linux? Does this question make any sense? (I've only heard about
>PHIGS, never used it).

>Thanks,
>Michael Vinson

I only know xgks which implements the GKS-standard. Or better: part of
it because it only supports X-windows and meta-files as output-devices.
It also has no GDP's. You can find it on sunsite.unc.edu
-- 
 _____________________________________________________________________________
 Hans de Hartog, dehartog@comcons.nl, Voice: +31 348033100, Fax: +31 348033181
 Committed Consultancy BV, Korenmolenlaan 1b, 3447 GG Woerden, The Netherlands 

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux,comp.sys.unix.internals
From: tim@consultix.wa.com (Tim Maher/Consultix)
Subject: Re: Smail/Sendmail problem
Reply-To: tim@consultix.wa.com
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 17:04:54 GMT

Karsten Johansson (ksaj@csis.pcscav.com) wrote:
: John Sundberg (uspra016@mmm.com) wrote:
: :> Solved this one last night for myself -- you need to edit 

: :> /usr/lib/smail/routers 
: :> comment out the section about uucp_neighbors

: :> currently your mail should be in 
: :> /usr/spool/smail/input and after editing routers and killing then
: :> restarting sendmail the mail should get moved to
: :> /usr/spool/uucp/* 

: I have done this, and it seems to be working for mail.  So if you see this
: message, then you will know that it worked for follow-ups in news as well,
: making me a very happy camper.

: What a very strange fix.  Remove what was already there, even back when it
: _was_ working, and suddenly it works again.  I don't even want to think
: about it!

: :> BTW - this question would have been better asked in the newly
: :> formed smail news group.

: Thanks.  I don't receive this group (I hadn't heard of it either).
: -- 
: There are those who are born UNIX,   |   Karsten Johansson, PC Scavenger
: those who are made UNIX,             |   ksaj@csis.pcscav.com
: and those who become UNIX            |
: for the kingdom of heaven's sake.    |   Matthew 19:12

Could somebody please tell us what the problem was that this fixed?

I've had trouble with "read error in output from /usr/bin/uuname"
errors (# smail -bt, followed by "a@b" suffices to demonstrate),
which totally prevents recognition of my uucp neighbors; I spent
about 8 hours wading through the source code and eventually kludged a
repair, so I'm wondering if this is the problem you folks are discussing?

--
Tim Maher, CONSULTIX   (206) 781-UNIX   INTERNET: tim@consultix.wa.com
=======================================================================
Think UNIX training is expensive?  Consider the words of our former VP:
    "A mind is a terrible thing to waste, or not to have one."    {8-)}

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From: teffta@erie.ge.com (Andrew R. Tefft)
Subject: Re: mput, mget different speed ?
Reply-To: teffta@erie.ge.com
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 18:02:45 GMT

In article b08@news.hk.net, atsang@hk.net (Alan Tsang) writes:
>
>Would anybody explain why I always get higher speed with mput than mget
>when using ftp ?

ftp lies when it calculates the speed for puts/mputs (at least on my
system it does). This can be seen rather dramatically when you use a
slip or ppp connection and turn on hash marks. The first 30 or so hash marks
fly by in about a second. The transfer then says it's done before the
lights on the modem stop flashing. The total time reported is significantly
less than the real time, thus the calculated rate is faster than it really is.

Try timing the transfer yourself and see if there is a difference.

On my ppp link, there is a small difference (about 100 bytes/sec) which
appears to be due to the uneven mtu settings on the link (512 one
way, 1500 the other way).

---

Andy Tefft               - new, expanded .sig -     teffta@erie.ge.com



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From: stephen@dogmatix.inmos.co.uk (Stephen Collyer)
Subject: Current kernel features
Date: 10 Aug 1994 16:27:09 GMT

At the moment I'm running a 0.99pl13 kernel from about a year ago. 
Is there anyone out there who could give me a brief update on significant
changes between that kernel and the current stuff ? I haven't been keeping up
with recent developments and am trying to decide whether it's worth upgrading.

I am well aware that there have been billions of changes - I'm just looking
for a description of important new functionality that the new kernels support, 
if any, or major performance improvements. 

(for example, 0.99pl13 did not support mmap completely - what's the situation
now ? - the networking stuff was in a state of flux then - what now ?)

If there is any written record of cumulative changes (maybe by Linus) that would
be ideal.

Steve Collyer.

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