Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #585
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Linux-Misc Digest #585, Volume #2                Wed, 10 Aug 94 15:13:25 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Which serial board? (Troy DeJongh)
  Mosaic on Linux (Daniel Tran)
  Re: xfig on slackware 2.0.0 (Tat Jen Cham)
  Linux driver for Ultrastor 24F SCSI controller ? (dan@dna.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu)
  Motif and Linux
  Re: Linux success on P5-90 (Marc A. Runkel)
  Re: Anyone assembling custom LINUX systems? (Ove Ewerlid)
  Re: Linux versus FreeBSD (Larry Doolittle)
  Re: console driver does not reset char table with "stty sane" (Mel Piepho)
  Re: Doom on SGI -- wow! (Clayton Haapala)
  Re: Doom on SGI -- wow! (Clayton Haapala)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Dan Pop)
  Re: [BUG] in cp (copy) on DOS fs. (Dennis Heltzel)
  DOS bashing Linux shirts! (Kevin S Ho)
  Re: Usefulness of BSD/Linux Source Knowledge (was BSD vs. LINUX) (Frank Lofaro)
  How can I replace '\medskip' by newline+'\medskip'? (Cheng-Tang Lee)
  Linux versus FreeBSD (Gary Udstrand)
  AUIS mail system (Mike Loseke)
  txconn from term209 gives: can't open display error. (Steven Singleton)
  Re: Linux success on P5-90 (Michael Heasley)

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From: troyd@digibd.digibd.com (Troy DeJongh)
Subject: Re: Which serial board?
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 21:02:11 GMT

hm@seneca.ix.de (Harald Milz) writes:

>Adam Roach (adam@spam.tamu.edu) wrote:
>: > In article <Cu5Myn.H6K@seneca.ix.de>, Harald Milz <hm@seneca.ix.de> wrote:

>: > >AFAIK, there's no driver for the Digiboard, however Digi operates an aFTP
>: > >server where they once claimed to hold Linux drivers. 

>: > Does anyone know how to contact Digiboard or the address of this FTP site?

>It used to be ftp.digi.com, but I'm not sure whether this is still valid.

>-- 
>Harald Milz (hm@seneca.ix.de)

We currently have no drivers for Linux.  However, we are working on it,
and expect to have a driver out for our PC/Xe in a few months.


--
Troy De Jongh (troyd@digibd.com)         Voice: 612 943-9020 ext. 583
UNIX Device Driver Development
DigiBoard   6400 Flying Cloud Dr
Eden Prairie, MN 55344   

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From: dtran@emelnitz.ucla.edu (Daniel Tran)
Subject: Mosaic on Linux
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 23:20:03 GMT

Many people asked about getting Mosaic.
I Just downloaded from sunsite.unc.edu 
/pub/Linux/distributions/slackware/non-commercial-use/m1/mosaic.tgz

It works fine on my machine with 1.1.35 kernel.

Daniel Tran - dtran@emelnitz.ucla.edu



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From: tjc@eng.cam.ac.uk (Tat Jen Cham)
Subject: Re: xfig on slackware 2.0.0
Date: 10 Aug 1994 14:10:41 GMT

In article <32ae3pINN4fd@tom.rz.uni-passau.de>,
Jan Aits <aits@wolfker.uni-passau.de> wrote:
>When xfig starts it reads a configuration file named Fig in 
>/usr/X11/lib/X11/app-defaults (?!). In slackware 2.0.0 this is a link to
>Fig-color. But in this file is an error causing a recusion during initialisation.
>Change this link to the file Fig-standard or get the new version of Fig-color
>and everything works fine.
>
>Jan
>
><aits@fmi.uni-passau.de>

To use Fig-color, change the `#include "Fig"' in Fig-color to
`#include "Fig-standard"'.

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From: dan@dna.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: Linux driver for Ultrastor 24F SCSI controller ?
Date: 10 Aug 1994 00:30:02 GMT
Reply-To: dan@dna.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu


        Is there a driver under Linux for the Ultrastor 24F EISA SCSI
controller ?
        If so, what is the procedure to install a system from scratch using
this driver/controller ?
        Sorry if this question has a newbie flavor... Thanks.
                        Cheers,
                        Dan Ts'o                713-798-3331
                        Div. Neuroscience       FAX: 713-798-3897
                        Baylor College of Medicine
                        1 Baylor Plaza S553     dan@dna.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu
                        Houston, TX  77030      tso@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu 


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From: haigh@edieng.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Motif and Linux
Date: 8 Aug 1994 11:32:12 GMT
Reply-To: haigh@edieng.enet.dec.com ()


I know that this has probably been asked numerous times before.  But I've been
out.

Is there a way of using/getting Motif for Linux ?

Cheers

AndyH

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From: mrunkel@twain.ucs.umass.edu (Marc A. Runkel)
Crossposted-To: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000
Subject: Re: Linux success on P5-90
Date: 10 Aug 1994 15:10:35 GMT

Michael Heasley (mheasley@atlantis.claremont.edu) wrote:


 The machine came with a 730MB WD hard disk--no problems there.  I just disabled
 LBA translation and changed the hard disk to USER TYPE 1 in the CMOS setup,
 and no more problems.  I resized the existing dos partition to about 300MB with
 FIPS, added a 16MB swap partition, a 2 MB boot partition, and gave the rest to
 my root partition.  

What is FIPS?

--
Marc A. Runkel                              marc.runkel@registrar.umass.edu
Network Analyst                             Of course, this is just my
Registrar's Office * Systems Support Group  tiny, insignificant, humble
University of Massachusetts, Amherst        opinion.  If you don't like it....

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From: ewerlid@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Ove Ewerlid)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Anyone assembling custom LINUX systems?
Date: 09 Aug 1994 23:32:28 GMT


In article <Cu9790.LEB@world.std.com> entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard) writes:
   >
   >o  Pentium 90Mhz

   Not to much different than 486, it might not be worth the extra
   money. Anyone have any bench marks for Linux?

We have a P90 system (PCI/48Mb DRAM (64bits wide)/512kb cache (WBack))
and a vanilla i486DX2 @ 66 Mhz (IDE/16Mb(32bits)/256kb).

The P90 is 2.1 times faster wrt compiling the linux kernel.

The bandwidth to the DRAM of the P90 system is 4 times that of the i486 system.
This gave me quite a boost as far as linking large binaries with
lots of debugging info (6 Mb and larger). 


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From: doolitt@recycle.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle)
Subject: Re: Linux versus FreeBSD
Reply-To: doolittle@cebaf.gov
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:07:28 GMT

Gary Udstrand (gbu@uhc.com) wrote:
:  I want to set up a sytem at home to run XFree and SLIP.  I will be using this 
: more or less as a X terminal to connect to the computers at my office.  Is 
: there any advantages/disadvantages between FreeBSD or Linux?  

Here is my advice: it's not original to me, and nobody has seriously
argued with it.  Skip all the technical mumbo-jumbo.

If the people around you are using Linux, use Linux.
If the people around you are using FreeBSD, use FreeBSD.

All the net.help in the world is no subsitute for someone
who knows what he/she is doing being able to clickety-clickety
on the recalcitrant keyboard.  The computer hasn't been
invented that will run perfectly all the time, Apple's
marketing department notwithstanding.

Personally, I use Linux and it (almost) always does what
I want.  I don't use SLIP - I use XFree, term, and ethernet.

       - Larry Doolittle   doolittle@cebaf.gov




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From: mpiepho@alpha.tricity.wsu.edu (Mel Piepho)
Subject: Re: console driver does not reset char table with "stty sane"
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 23:17:15 GMT

In article <1994Aug4.084757.12680@btcs.bt.co.uk>,
Martin Grundy <grundy@btcs.bt.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <31jqif$dtf@news.u.washington.edu>,
>Tim Smith <tzs@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>Nick Andrew <nick@kralizec.zeta.org.au> wrote:
>>>Also sometimes my Linux VCs get reset to 24 rows. There is some
>>>relationship between the value set with 'stty rows xx' and the driver
>>>scroll area which I don't understand.
>>
>>I think I've seen this.  I had one where vi would no longer work right.
>>What was on the screen and what vi thought were on the screen were off
>>by a few lines, in a not-quite-linear way.  At the shell, if the cursor
>>ever got to the bottom of the screen, scrolling would only take place
>>in the last line.
>>
>[lines deleted]
>>
>>Is there any command that will *completely* reset a virtual console
>>back to the state it comes up in?
>>
>>--Tim Smith
>
>I have seen a similar effect again during and after rlogin'ed or telnet'ed
>to another non-Linux host (mainly SCO).
>
>The *only* way I have found to reset the VC is to run a local copy
>of the Rand editor. (This editor is my `editor-of-choice' - I ported it

I had the same problem; after I logined to a Ultrix machine with kermit that
VC would become 24 lines.  Running vi would fix it.  The problem turned out to
be tset on the ultrix machine.  It was sending a terminal init sequence for 24
line vt100 terminals.  I put in the switch (-i, I think) that tells tset not
to init the terminal and no more 24 line problems.

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From: clay@haapi.mn.org (Clayton Haapala)
Subject: Re: Doom on SGI -- wow!
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 21:06:33 GMT

In article <Cu0tAB.76v@wg.saar.de>, Patrick Schaaf <bof@wg.saar.de> wrote:
>clay@haapi.mn.org (Clayton Haapala) writes:
>
>>To be clearer -- the client was running on the SGI and displaying its X
>>window on the Sparc.  Would that imply that it is using portable calls?
>
>Sure, what else? What network was this running on? Ethernet? Do you know
>the frame size and fps? I'd be surprised if you get more than 15fps
>out of an Ethernet.
>
It was running on an Ethernet.  Can't tell you the fps, tho.  As I said,
only when the board was at its largest size did the updates start to look
a little doggy (less smooth, still playable).
-- 
Clay Haapala                    "Well, there was the process of sitting around
clay@haapi.mn.org                and wishing I had more computer stuff."
                                        -- Dilbert

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From: clay@haapi.mn.org (Clayton Haapala)
Subject: Re: Doom on SGI -- wow!
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 21:11:02 GMT

In article <31t1ng$e5c@muller.loria.fr>, Bruno Levy <levyb@loria.fr> wrote:
>
>I mean it's a pity to have a graphic engine as powerfull as Silicon's hardware
>stuff and not use it.
>It's true that X terminals do not support GL, but it's too slow on a Xterminal
>anyway, since you cannot use XShm. Seeing a doom window on a X terminal is
>amazing, but it's not really playable there ! you are forced to use the console
>anyway ...

I don't quite understand -- have you seen it on an X terminal?  The game is
quite playable when the X server is a Sparc 10 (not with the hi-powered 
graphics, either).  I can't make any statements about other X servers.

-- 
Clay Haapala                    "Well, there was the process of sitting around
clay@haapi.mn.org                and wishing I had more computer stuff."
                                        -- Dilbert

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
From: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch (Dan Pop)
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 22:58:04 GMT

In <Cu76s8.90y@epimbe.com> vlcek@epimbe.com (James Vlcek) writes:

>I have to ship product *today*.  If it doesn't exist *today* (as in
>*now*), then it doesn't exist.  Meaning: I can't ship it.  Period.
>End of story.

Linux is not intended to be a shippable product. Period. End of story.
>
>I'm deeply touched by these tales of hard-working Linuxoids piecing
>together the WINE emulator, but the fact of the matter is that they're
>a LONG way from anything remotely shippable.  When they do get there,
>the rest of the market will have advanced as well - and will still be
>out of reach.

Neither is WINE. Period. End of story.
>
>As I've said, it's a great intro to UNIX for hobbyists, hackers, and
>high schoolers.  Let's not confuse it with a serious commercial
>offering.  We pushed UNIX once already onto an unready public, and
>many of them now bear an unnatural hatred for it because of that past
>misguided advocacy.

Linux is not intended to be "a serious commercial offering" and is not
targetted to an unready public. Nobody is pushing Linux to anybody,
there is not even a comp.os.linux.advocacy group, because it isn't
needed. And most Unix haters are Microsoft lovers. Does this ring a
bell to you?

Judging Linux for what it isn't meant to be is a rather silly idea.
Three years ago Linux was nothing. If it keeps progressing at the same
pace, in two years time it will be far better than any "shippable"
product, assuming that the commercial Unices for PC's will also evolve
at their current pace.

If you need a commercial product, you know where to find Coherent :-)

Dan
--
Dan Pop 
CERN, CN Division
Email: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch
Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland

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From: dheltzel@crl.com (Dennis Heltzel)
Subject: Re: [BUG] in cp (copy) on DOS fs.
Date: 10 Aug 1994 07:19:28 -0700

Robert Logan (rl@dmu.ac.uk) wrote:
: When one does a cp on a DOS partition incorrectly, data
: can be lost with consumate ease, thus (Note the missing dot):

:   cp /dosc/hold/xx.*

: If you have 2 files, xx.aaa and xx.bbb, then xx.aaa will
: overwrite xx.bbb - there is no error message about bad
: syntax.

This is the correct behavior for cp. Try the same thing on any UNIX 
version of cp and you'll have the same result. It did exactly what you 
asked it to do. The shell expanded xx.* to be "xx.aaa xx.bbb" and passed 
those two files as parameters to cp, cp than assumed you wanted to copy 
xx.aaa (1st param) to xx.bbb (2nd param) and did it. This is a case of 
getting what you asked for, not what you meant (anyone working on a 
version of the UNIX command set that can read a user's mind ;)). The DOS 
copy command works differently, expanding the * itself, so that command 
would look to copy as though you only specified 1 parameter, not 2 as cp 
received. Another difference between copy and cp is that copy will assume 
the current dir as a second parameter if it is missing, cp will complain 
about a missing parameter. Hence, when using cp, if you accidentally 
forget the second parameter and it doesn't complain, you probably just 
trashed one or more files. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

Dennis


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From: ksh@charybdis.prl.ufl.edu (Kevin S Ho)
Subject: DOS bashing Linux shirts!
Date: 09 Aug 1994 02:57:53 GMT

Due to the large response, I *will* be printing linux shirts:  I'm
going to include the "Partnership for a DOS free America" on it,
and use some cheap dithering to create a cool-looking RGB dithered
shirt for a low price.  I'll post more when I get home in 2 days, as
I'm nowhere near my beloved linux boxen right now.

        ksh

P.S.  Please Please Please don't reply!  I'll have more substative
        information later

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: Re: Usefulness of BSD/Linux Source Knowledge (was BSD vs. LINUX)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 94 23:39:40 GMT

In article <CuA7D6.H43@pell.com> orc@pell.com (Orc) writes:
>In article <9408081643.04@rmkhome.com>, Rick Kelly <rmk@rmkhome.com> wrote:
>
>>The telephone infrastructure of the US is based primarily on the AT&T
>>long distance trunk lines.  MCI, Sprint, etc lease the use of these lines
>>from AT&T.
>
>  Don't know about MCI, but in the southwest (at least) Sprint has
>its own fiber-optic lines, laid in part along the right of way of
>the Southern Pacific Railroad.
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>

Guess where SPRINT got its name?
Southern Pacific Railroad INTernal network.



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From: leecheng@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu (Cheng-Tang Lee)
Subject: How can I replace '\medskip' by newline+'\medskip'?
Date: 04 Aug 1994 23:36:31 GMT


This problem is not Linux related.  I'm trying to modify a file by
adding a blank line in front of each of the lines with '\medskip'.
There are almost 1000 such lines so that it's kind of nasty to do
this manually.  Can anyone help me with this?

James

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From: gbu@uhc.com (Gary Udstrand)
Subject: Linux versus FreeBSD
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 08:27:16 UNDEFINED

 I want to set up a sytem at home to run XFree and SLIP.  I will be using this 
more or less as a X terminal to connect to the computers at my office.  Is 
there any advantages/disadvantages between FreeBSD or Linux?  


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 especially among golfers."         
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From: mike@bob.sc.colostate.edu (Mike Loseke)
Subject: AUIS mail system
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 14:13:52 GMT

I'm having a problem with AUIS63L61-mail. When I untar it (after the -wp
package is installed and running nicely) it can't link some files to runapp; 
it says that the file exists and the link won't appear. I tried to link
it myself, but got the error "file nonexistent" or somesuch.

I've been running 1.1.35 on Slackware 2.0, since that kernel revision was 
put on sunsite, with no problems. 

-- 
    __________http://bob.sc.colostate.edu/swo/ministers/mike.html_________
   |  Mike Loseke                    |  Behold, here cometh the Dreamer.  |
   |  mike@bob.sc.colostate.edu      |  Let us slay him, and we shall see |
   |  Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux  |  what will become of his dreams.   |

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From: ssinglet@cassandra.cair.du.edu (Steven Singleton)
Subject: txconn from term209 gives: can't open display error.
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 22:18:53 GMT

Hi, 

I've been trying to get the txconn program of the term package to run,
but I've run aground!  I have term running on the remote machine
(RS600, aix, bash, hostname=gauss) and the local machine (clone,
linux, bash, hostname=xenon).  Both are running term203.  The local
machine is running trsh in an rxvt window.  trsh runs fine between the
two.  tupload runs fine.  I have a direct connection (ie no modem).
To use txconn, I run the txconn program on the remote (gauss) from a
trsh and note the x-screen the txconn is bound to.  I then export the
DISPLAY variable using: export DISPLAY=gauss:0 (or whatever screen
number txconn reported) on the remote machine.  If I echo $DISPLAY, I
see gauss:0.  BUT, when I try to run an x-app from the remote machine,
I always get a "cannot open display gauss:0" error.

I tried to use the tredir instead of txconn, by issuing a "tredir 6009
6000" command.  I end up with the same problem.  Any suggestions?  Am
I being a total bonehead?  Thanks,

Steve 
ssinglet@du.edu


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From: mheasley@atlantis.claremont.edu (Michael Heasley)
Crossposted-To: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000
Subject: Re: Linux success on P5-90
Date: 10 Aug 1994 16:07:55 GMT

In article <32aqlb$6dl@nic.umass.edu>,
Marc A. Runkel <mrunkel@twain.ucs.umass.edu> wrote:
>What is FIPS?

It's a dos program that lets you resize a partition without losing any data
that is already on it (unlike fdisk).  You can find it at
ftp.wustl.edu:/systems/msdos/diskutil or any other Simtel mirror.

        Mike

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