Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #577
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Tue, 9 Aug 94 02:13:09 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #577, Volume #2                 Tue, 9 Aug 94 02:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  Re: INN question... (Craig I. Hagan)
  Can't Malloc 192309 Bytes - Fix? (Greg Boehlein)
  Boca 8 Port Board - Great For Linux (Brian Kramer)
  Re: linux-1.1.39 doesn't wanna compile w/TMC850 Driver (Drew Eckhardt)
  Re: SCSI/IDE???? (Drew Eckhardt)
  Re: xpilot on 486-33? (Andreas Helke)
  Re: Mild warning about slackware installed users. (Stanley Chan)
  Re: STREAMS  (was I hope this wont ignite ...) (Scott Michel)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Orc)
  Hard Drive Probs: Maxtor:Conner Combo,Vergy Strange!!!!!!!!  (RYAN  Colin Patrick)
  Re: Kernel Compile Problem (RYAN  Colin Patrick)
  Linux T-Shirt images uploaded to Sunsite (John W. Fawcett)
  Re: Hard Drive Probs: Maxtor:Conner Combo,Vergy Strange!!!!!!!! (Oleg Zabluda)
  Re: a more "secure" su? (Jason Haar)
  Re: Multi-threaded linux-kernel (Sam Oscar Lantinga)
  Re: DIP has fallen and cant get up (Paul Cadach)
  Re: frame with bad fcs? (Brian Rice)
  Re: Anyone assembling custom LINUX systems? (Lawrence Foard)

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From: hagan@opine (Craig I. Hagan)
Subject: Re: INN question...
Date: 9 Aug 1994 00:33:40 GMT

Barry Yip kam-wa (g609296@win.or.jp) wrote:
> Rob McKenzie (rmckenzi@hpb.hwc.ca) wrote:
> >I have a question about INN.. please don't flame me if this isn't the place 
> >to ask this.

> >We have inn installed at our site (inasec.ca) with only 1 last thing to 
> >get going.  We can't seem to post.  I suspect the nnrpd is missing.

> >Not knowing everything I should know about inn as I should.. is it
> >as simple to have someone send us their working binaries and we just
> >install them?  I guess a copy of the config files used when posting is 
> >done would also be helpful.

> It may be worth for you to take a look at hosts.nntp as it should
> contain the FQDN for your site. Hope it helps.
> --
> Barry Yip
> g609296@win.or.jp

I have heard of many instances where nntpsend wasn't working properly, try
using innxmit instead.

-- craig

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: damin@csuohio.edu (Greg Boehlein)
Subject: Can't Malloc 192309 Bytes - Fix?
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 00:35:29 GMT

I am having a problem with Elm under Slackware 1.2.0.

Everytime I invoke it, it tells me...

Couldn't malloc 1936269459 bytes!!


Emergency exit taken! All temp files intact!



Anyone know what the fix is for this? Someone mentioned that it had to
do with an alias file format or something! Suggestions?

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From: bjkramer@pluto.njcc.com (Brian Kramer)
Subject: Boca 8 Port Board - Great For Linux
Date: 8 Aug 1994 20:19:39 -0400

I have a slightly used 8 port board for linux.  I upgraded to a 16 port
and need to get rid of this.  It has cables for terminals but cables
for modems are easy to make.  Asking $110.

-- 
Brian Kramer - Owner/Systems Administrator - bjkramer@pluto.njcc.com
New Jersey Computer Connection - Public Access Unix Site - pluto.njcc.com
Voice: 609-896-2799 - Fax: 609-896-2994 - Dialups: 609-896-3191
Dialup or Telnet to pluto.njcc.com and log in as guest for more information.

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From: drew@frisbee.cs.Colorado.EDU (Drew Eckhardt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: linux-1.1.39 doesn't wanna compile w/TMC850 Driver
Date: 9 Aug 1994 01:22:41 GMT

In article <Cu8orG.uC@pe1chl.ampr.org>, Rob Janssen <pe1chl@rabo.nl> wrote:
>In <31ve0b$qft@agate.berkeley.edu> nevman@server.Berkeley.EDU (Nevin Cheung) writes:
>
>>I have successfully compiled everything from 0.99.15 to 1.1.37...  Now, 
>>when I tried to compile 1.1.39, the following errors came up when I tried 
>>to compile the SCSI drivers...  What's the problem?  Where is "STAT" 
>>supposed to be?  Thanx...
>
>try 1.1.41

1.1.39 has the right code in it, although STATUS got shortened 
to STAT and it probably should have been temp to begin with.

Although 1.1.40 compiles, it is more broken than 1.1.39 :

The patch in 1.40 looks like this : 

-                   !((temp = STATUS) & STAT_IO) || (STAT & STAT_BSY););
+                   !((temp = STATUS) & (STAT_IO | STAT_BSY)););

In otherwords, the patch makes the termination conditions for the 
loop I/O asserted _OR_ BSY asserted, rather than I/O asserted AND 
BSY clear.

Depending on how fast things happen, the net result is that 
the loop terminates somewhere inbetween arbitration and 
selection and Bad Things(tm) happen.

It should look like 

+                   !((temp = STATUS) & STAT_IO) || (temp & STAT_BSY););

instead.  Substititue STATUS for temp if you want.  

-- 
Drew Eckhardt drew@Colorado.EDU
1970 Landcruiser FJ40 w/350 Chevy power
1982 Yamaha XV920J Virago

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From: drew@frisbee.cs.Colorado.EDU (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: SCSI/IDE????
Date: 9 Aug 1994 01:28:50 GMT

In article <Cu8Gxw.D9F@sun2.iusb.indiana.edu>,
G. Browning <gbrownin@sun1.iusb.indiana.edu> wrote:
>
>I need some help with some drive theory..
>
>I want to install a 1 gig scsi drive with a few 80 meg scsi
>drives and one IDE 160 meg drive.  I talked it over with one
>of our technicians and he says that the IDE drive must be the
>boot drive as the AMI BIOS notices it first and then the scsi
>bios is read.  

This is correct.

>Now, LILO places itself in the master boot record..   if I want
>the gig SCSI drive to contain my LINUX, will LILO place itself
>in the MBR of the IDE to point to the SCSI?  (i.e. I want the
>operating system on the gig drive and use the IDE drive as
>/tmp).  

Yes.

>I will be getting the adaptec 1542 controller, but I have been
>told that it DOES support 6 SCSI devices but only 2 drives..
>if this is the case, then will I need 3 SCSI cards to support
>my 1 gig SCSI, 240 meg SCSI, and the three 80 meg SCSI's 
>I have?  

This is utterly untrue.

1.  The Adaptec 1542 will run SEVEN SCSI targets like any other modern
    SCSI controller which doesn't opt for the single initiator option
    which allowsa you to run EIGHT SCSI targets or newer wide busses 
    which support FIFTEEN SCSI targets.

2.  Old versions of the Adaptec didn't provide _BIOS_ support for 
    more than two drives.

        - Linux doesn't use the BIOS, so this doesn't matter
        - Drivers existed for the B revisions and DOS to use
            more devices.
        - And all of the new C and CF boards have a BIOS option
            to support up to seven drives.

>Is there not a way to chain 6 SCSI drive internally?

Sure.  Get a long SCSI cable with seven connectors on it.

-- 
Drew Eckhardt drew@Colorado.EDU
1970 Landcruiser FJ40 w/350 Chevy power
1982 Yamaha XV920J Virago

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From: andreas@orion.mgen.uni-heidelberg.de (Andreas Helke)
Subject: Re: xpilot on 486-33?
Date: 9 Aug 1994 01:26:51 GMT

Jim Day (day@loligo.cc.fsu.edu) wrote:

: I recently installed Linux on my 486-33 machine at home recently.  I
downloaded Xpilot the other night and compiled it (was very simple...no
errors or complaints).  Running it was another story...it was real
slow...especially to my commands....so my questiion is...was this due to
just my processor being a 33 MHz and this is all I can expect or are there
tunings which can be done to make Xpilot work, even on a 486-33....


xpilot requieres hardware support for drawing lines in both the X server and
the graphics card. With the Mach8 server and an old Ati ultra graphics card
it runs really nice on a 486DX-33.

Andreas
--

Andreas Helke

Institut fuer molekulare Genetik, Universitaet Heidelberg
Im Neuenheimer Feld 230 
69122 Heidelberg, Germany

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From: schan@gcau.com.au (Stanley Chan)
Subject: Re: Mild warning about slackware installed users.
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 01:08:50 GMT

Rusty Carruth (rusty@indirect.com) wrote:
: We recently installed linux on a machine to set it up as our
: DNS for external use (to allow our domain to become activated).

Normally, you should have a router or firewall in front of your domain
and trap any non authorised entry.

: Later, I happened to be noodling around while waiting for other stuff,
: and noticed 3 users which had been installed - gonzo, snake, and pit
: (or was that hell?).  Anwyay, they all 3 had no passwords assigned.

: So, a reminder which may or may not be useful:

: I'd suggest that anyone wishing to not let others log on to their
: linux box be sure to check for (and delete or otherwise modify)
: any accounts which might get installed with permissions you don't 
: like.

Obviously you did not setup the files in /etc properly.
Check the /etc/inetd.conf file, tcpd should be there undet
telnet, ftp, tftpd, login and shell generally. This is a control program
which wil stop unwanted sites to loginto your system.
To use it, you have to set up /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny files.
Further, to stepup security, install shadow to you system. It will not
allow any one from loggin in if the name does not appear in both
passwd and shadow file.
The tcpd can also be setup to mail the sa if any one strange trys to log
into your system.
Suggest to read some of the suggestions from CERT too.

--
Stanley Chan                            (System Administrator)
E-mail schan@gcau.com.au                (Ph 61-7-8771016 Fax 61-7-8771120)
Snail  Golden Casket Art Union Office
       Locked Bag 7, Coorparoo DC QLD Australia 4151

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: michel@whirlwind.seas.ucla.edu (Scott Michel)
Subject: Re: STREAMS  (was I hope this wont ignite ...)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 00:57:59 GMT
Reply-To: scottm@intime.com

>>>>> "Vernon" == Vernon Schryver <vjs@calcite.rhyolite.com> writes:
In article <Cu4oAu.CJ3@calcite.rhyolite.com> vjs@calcite.rhyolite.com (Vernon Schryver) writes:

Vernon> It does help a little to separate the pronouncements of
Vernon> those who know what they know about STREAMS by reading
Vernon> "Comm.Week" from those who have seen some System V STREAMS
Vernon> kernel code.

Never heard of Communications Weekly (Comm.Week), nor have I had to
look at SysV internal code (thank god!)

Vernon> The thesis of the person who started this sub-thread
Vernon> seemed to me to be "STREAMS is a fine scheme for fast
Vernon> networking code and may be important before long,
Vernon> especially with the work of Mentat."

Never claimed that it was good for "high performance bit pushing",
simply that from a design point of view, STREAMS has more appeal than
does the BSD implementation. If you constantly look through a
microscope, your vision tends to remain narrow.

Some of what you had to say was interesting, if you were trying to
disseminate information and education (i.e. BSD does a finer job at
being able to bit push). However, your soapbox mentality and automagic
assumption that I'm in management (when all I really did is look at
things from a macro POV) hurts your credibility.

-scottm

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
From: orc@pell.com (Orc)
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 00:36:50 GMT

In article <Cu6r7v.7vA@epimbe.com>, James Vlcek <vlcek@epimbe.com> wrote:
>In article <320ris$g7n@kubds1.kub.nl> paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans) writes:

>>I admit I have no experience with Unixware - send me a copy and I
>>try and review it in the magazine I am writing for.
>
>Buy it yourself!  It's only $166 from Information Foundation.
>
>Cripes, all these Linuxers think everything should be given to them.

   Reviewers don't usually buy (unless they're the American
magazine _Consumer Reports_) the items they review -- those things
are given to them by the vendor, who hopes that the exposure will
be favorable.

   Why should a Linux-reviewer be any different?

                 ____
   david parsons \bi/ Note followups.
                  \/

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
From: ryan@ecf.toronto.edu (RYAN  Colin Patrick)
Subject: Hard Drive Probs: Maxtor:Conner Combo,Vergy Strange!!!!!!!! 
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 00:42:22 GMT

Well netters thanks for all the advice about purchasing half descent drives. 
Now .....it's been purchased a Maxtor 7546A (546 Meg) my existing drive is a
Conner 30104H (120 Meg) the problem that has arisen is that the Conner will not
act as a slave. Conner Master, Maxtor slave-----> WORKS!
                Conner Master Single Drive------> WORKS!
                Maxtor Master Single Drive------> WORKS!
                Maxtor Master, Conner Slave-----Dies a prolonged death !-<

To explain: When the Maxtor is a master to the conner I run the AMI bios 
autodetect and it works fine (most of the time) and returns the settings 
as listed in the documentation and as used before:

        Maxtor: 1060 Cyl., 16 Hd., 63 Sect.
        Conner:  762 Cyl.,  8 Hd., 39 Sect.

But!!!!....when I write the CMos and reboot the system goes nowhere( even fails) to boot from floppy) and when performing an immediate warm boot the autodetect
chunks at either drive detect ( whichever it decides). I'm pretty sure I have my
jumpers set right: Conner DSP open, C/D open, E1 open; Maxtor: j20 closed and all else factory defaults. I've tried disabling the I/O channel REAdy (whatever that means) and disableing the cache.

What gives....any suggestions. I know that i could use it as Conner(M), Maxt(S) but I really would like to boot dos and linux from the Maxtor.

Thanks: email: ryan@ecf.utoronto.ca


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From: ryan@ecf.toronto.edu (RYAN  Colin Patrick)
Subject: Re: Kernel Compile Problem
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 01:15:24 GMT

In article <Cu6yG4.u1@mail.auburn.edu>,
Brian Hartsfield <bh@eng.auburn.edu> wrote:
>I am having trouble compiling the kernel on my newly installed Linux system.
>I think it is a problem of not having loaded a certain utility yet, but I
>don't know what program that might be and the error messages are not helpful
>for what it may be.
>
>I do a make config and set everything up.  Then I run make dep and that runs
>fine.  The when I run make clean or make all or make <anything> from the on
>out, I get .depend:5:. *** Missing Separator. Stop.
>
>I currently have kernel 1.0.9 and have tried compiling 1.1.0 and 1.1.23 with
>the same results described above.  I have the latest gcc and the latest 
>libs and all the include files with the gcc package plus the latest
>verstions of bin-utils.  Any ideas as to what the problem is?  I think there
>is just something I haven't installed yet, but I don't know what it might be.
>
>
>--
>
Same thing happened to me but I resolved it. Unfortunately I cant seem to
remember what the exact solution was.....I do remember it was quite simple though. 


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From: fawcett@connected.com (John W. Fawcett)
Subject: Linux T-Shirt images uploaded to Sunsite
Date: 8 Aug 1994 21:13:50 -0700

Someone asked that I make my set of images available for download.  I have
just put the package together and sent it to Sunsite.  It now sits in the
upload directory.


This is an extract from the README file:

This directory containing 5 gif files.  All of these files are original,
copyrighted works.  You are free to use them in any way you wish, except
for commercial gain.  If you want to use these images for commercial
purposes, please contact me so we can work something out.

3 of the 5 files (segflt, float, and virtbrew) were created using the
Persistence of Vision (POV) ray trace package.  If you are a POV team
member and can tell me where in the product to find your name, you can have
1 item of your choice for free (see the order form below).

The ray traced images were reduced to gif files from 24 bit jpeg images.  I
know that something got lost in the translation, but I figured I'd better
provide something that most people can read.  All of the images have been
reduced in size to fit on a 800x600 screen.  I tried taking them smaller
than that, but didn't like the results.

The 5 files are:

float.gif (ray trace): A group of spheres (points) floating above a sky
  textured floor.  In the middle of the group is an egg shaped sphere that is
  of a different color.  The caption reads "Floating Point Eggception".

virtbrew.gif (ray trace): My entry for the Linux logo contest.  Just bring
  it up; I can't explain it.  Let me know what you think the gold cone in the
  middle is supposed to be :-)

segflt.gif (ray trace): A segmented bug (worm?  caterpillar?) with an error
  in one of the segments.  The caption reads "Segmentation Fault".

surf.gif (scanned original drawing): Reginald the Internet Surfer catches a
  wave.

surfer.gif (scanned original drawing): Reginald the Internet Surfer shows
  off his board.  Byte Me.


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From: zabluda@math.psu.edu (Oleg Zabluda)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Hard Drive Probs: Maxtor:Conner Combo,Vergy Strange!!!!!!!!
Date: 9 Aug 1994 04:32:51 GMT

It is probably impossible to do what you want. Conners are not wery
compatible with other hard drives, at least older are not. Try calling
Conner technical support 1-800-4-CONNER. they are good. Don't bother
whith Maxtor TS. It's waste of time. Another possibility
is to buy a secondary controller - that what I ended up doing with
Conner 81 Meg and Maxtor 528 Meg. I keep /usr/src on Conner.
Consult atdisk2 patches what kind of controller you need.
If you have any questions e-mail me.

Oleg.


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From: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com (Jason Haar)
Subject: Re: a more "secure" su?
Date: 8 Aug 1994 11:42:15 GMT

Jason Van Patten (vanpatjm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu) wrote:

:       I say B.S.!  Does anyone know where I can get an su that DOES support
: the 'wheel' group?  Email me your responses.. thanks so much.


Try this:

chmod o-rwx su #Stops everyone being able to run su
chmod g+x su   #Ensures that the group can run su
chgrp wheel su #Changes the group to wheel

--

Cheers,

Jason
+------------------------------+------------------------------------------+
| Jason Haar, European SysAdmin   Phone: + 44 (256) 790111                |
| Motorola Cellular Subscriber      Fax: + 44 (256) 790519                |
| Basingstoke, Hampshire                                                  |
| RG24 0GY,  ENGLAND           Internet: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com |
+------------------------------+------------------------------------------+

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From: slouken@cs.ucdavis.edu (Sam Oscar Lantinga)
Subject: Re: Multi-threaded linux-kernel
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 19:40:01 GMT

:    >>The new kernel (called Linux Viper, linux 2.0) is still in design phase,


        Just out of curiosity, why is Viper going to be a whole
new kernel?  Why isn't it a patch, like all the other great contributions?

-Sam


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
From:  Paul Cadach <paul@paul.east.alma-ata.su>
Subject: Re: DIP has fallen and cant get up
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 1994 19:15:34 GMT
Reply-To: paul@paul.east.alma-ata.su

Hi Rob,

You forgot to specify your e-mail address in message header - it was
you@somehost.somedomain (Your Name Here), because I post it here.


You wrote:
> My experience with linux and unix networking is very limited so please
> bear with me.

I've use Linux about half year long (My brother got SLS 1.03 distribution
at November 1993 when he was in London). Now I've use 'compound' Linux
(i.e. some from SLS 1.03, some from Slackware 1.2.0). We waiting until
Slackware Pro 2.0 arrived here (in exSU) to buy it.

> I'm trying to connect to a dynamically allocated host via CSLIP and
> dip.   I've finally gotten the dip -t option to work, but I'm not
> exactly sure what to tell it the IP addresses are.  The IP address 
> changes each time I call, so I can't preset any given address.

Try to use 'get $locip remote [<timeout>]' for your IP's address or
'get $rmtip remote [<timeout>]' for IP's address of your provider.
I don't know how to set up DNS (or /etc/hosts file) to work with
dynamic addressing.

Before 'get ...' use 'wait <blah-blah-blah> <timeout>' for text which
you get before IP address.

It may looks like it:
        ....
        # wait for string like 'your address is aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd'
        wait is 15
        # scan your IP address from remote responce
        get $locip remote 15
        ....
or like it:
        ....
        # wait for string like 'my address is aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd'
        wait is 15
        # scan remote IP address from its responce
        get $rmtip remote 15
        ...


I think it must help you.


Sorry my english again,

With best regards,
Paul.
-- 
Paul Cadach        System Programmer | kADA^ pAWEL   sISTEMNYJ PROGRAMMIST
e-mail:   paul@paul.east.alma-ata.su | FIDO:    2:5083/11.39
phone:    +7-(3232)-66-0538          | TEL.:    +7-(3232)-66-0538
=====================================+====================================

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Crossposted-To: comp.protocols.ppp,comp.os.linux.help
From: bri@moondance.livingston.com (Brian Rice)
Subject: Re: frame with bad fcs?
Reply-To: bri@moondance.livingston.com
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 04:59:25 GMT


In article <3269rf$sj3@wsrcc.com>, wolfgang@wsrcc.com (Wolfgang Rupprecht) writes:
|>slam@slam.rhein.de (Andre Friedrichs) writes:
|>>Hi, is there anyone out there who will explain me what the reason for
|>>the "frame with bad fcs"-message might be? I'am using Linux (kernel  
|>>1.1.29) and ppp 2.1.2a.
|>>Aug  4 15:22:09 slam kernel: ppp: frame with bad fcs

|>When a buddy of mine calls my Moringstar router from his linux box I

Well, to be fair, I think that's only because MorningStar is smart enough
to report the error.

My opinion is Flow Control because that's usually the evil demon from hell
that breaks PPP.  On the other hand, noting the SIGHUP from the original
posting it may well be a bad line (telco) or a cheesy modem.

--
Bri


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard)
Subject: Re: Anyone assembling custom LINUX systems?
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 05:58:12 GMT

In article <Roger_Walker.1rhs@CUEHere.Edmonton.AB.CA>,
>
>o  Pentium 90Mhz

Not to much different than 486, it might not be worth the extra
money. Anyone have any bench marks for Linux?

>o  Tower Case w/HD power supply (250-300W), lots of bays

Good.

>o  512K cache
>o  16 Meg RAM minimum

Good (8 megs would work for call ins only, but if your going to use X
locally while its running 16 is good). Make sure your board can cache
above 16megs incase you want to expand at some point.

>o  SCSI II interface (w/external port)
>o  500 Meg fast SCSI II hard drive minimum

I might go for more here since drive prices are way down these days,
and users love to have some real file space.

>o  230 Meg M/O R/W Optical drive minimum (for backup and archive)

You might want a DAT, R/W optical is very nice but the disks are
expensive, so keeping regular backups will costs over $1000 in disks.
DAT tapes are around $10 each for atleast 1 gig, the drives are around
$500.

>o  CD-ROM (optional; I have NEC 3X external with SCSI ports)

Good idea.

>o  Ethernet card for V.35 connection[?] (top quality)

I assume your going to a router with ethernet?

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