Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #576
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Linux-Misc Digest #576, Volume #2                 Mon, 8 Aug 94 22:13:19 EDT

Contents:
  Where is the archive ftp site of this news group? (Philip Siming Zhan)
  Re: Linux Users in Atlanta (Vernard C. Martin)
  Re: Proposal: "How to buy a Linux PC" document (A Chris Long)
  Re: frame with bad fcs? (Wolfgang Rupprecht)
  CORRECTION: multi-threaded linux kernel (Bouwmeester L.)
  Re: Multi-threaded linux-kernel (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Free Motif GUI and API (clone) for Linux (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: new version of hdparm.c anywhere? (Mark Lord)
  SCSI/IDE???? (G. Browning)
  Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion) (Rick Kelly)
  Re: Usefulness of BSD/Linux Source Knowledge (was BSD vs. LINUX) (Rick Kelly)
  Re: Multi-threaded linux-kernel (Sam Hartman)
  Re: TERM under DGUX - termtelnet gives "Resource unavailable" (Patrick Reijnen)
  Re: How do you read the c.o.l.* groups? (Rob Janssen)
  Re: linux-1.1.39 doesn't wanna compile w/TMC850 Driver (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion) (Warner Losh)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: szhan@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Philip Siming Zhan)
Subject: Where is the archive ftp site of this news group?
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 20:55:34 GMT


Where are the archive ftp sites of this news group?

Phil

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From: vernard@cc.gatech.edu (Vernard C. Martin)
Subject: Re: Linux Users in Atlanta
Date: 8 Aug 1994 18:22:48 -0400

cmattern@mindspring.com wrote:
>Just checking:
>
>Are ther any known Atlanta area Linux Users Groups?

Yes. There is a loose association of Linux Users at Georgia Tech that are
called GT-LEO (Georgia Tech Linux Enthusiasts Organization). We maintain a
mailing list (gtlinux@cc.gatech.edu) where we help newbies install stuff and
also discuss usefull stuff that wanders by on the net since not all of us
have time to read the c.o.l.* newsgroups.

to subscribe, send email to majordomo@cc.gatech.edu with the body of the
message being "subsucribe gtlinux email-address" and you will be on the 
mailing list.

>If not any interest in forming one?

I would if I had the time but I barely have time to do what I do now with
the mailing list. Let me know if you do get something started though.

V
-- 
Vernard Martin (vernard@cc.gatech.edu)  Ga Tech College of Computing
Student at Large, High Performance Parallel Computation and Experimentation Lab
Atlanta, GA 30332-0280 Phone (404) 853-9390 "Live large and prosper." - MC Spock

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From: allanl@heavenly.eecs.berkeley.edu (A Chris Long)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Proposal: "How to buy a Linux PC" document
Date: 8 Aug 1994 21:33:36 GMT

In article <321a8g$a3f@agate.berkeley.edu>,
A Chris Long <allanl@heavenly.eecs.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>I found it under /pub/usenet-by-group/news.answers/pc-unix/hardware,
>but it was last changed on 8/5/94, which makes it hopelessly out of
>date for me.  (I'm planning to buy a P-90.)  Anybody have any idea if
>there's a newer version anywhere?

Oops.  I meant 8/5/*93*.  Sorry about that.

- Chris

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From: wolfgang@wsrcc.com (Wolfgang Rupprecht)
Crossposted-To: comp.protocols.ppp,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: frame with bad fcs?
Date: 8 Aug 1994 14:59:11 -0700

slam@slam.rhein.de (Andre Friedrichs) writes:
>Hi, is there anyone out there who will explain me what the reason for
>the "frame with bad fcs"-message might be? I'am using Linux (kernel  
>1.1.29) and ppp 2.1.2a.
>Aug  4 15:22:09 slam kernel: ppp: frame with bad fcs
>Aug  4 15:22:09 slam kernel: ppp: frame with bad fcs
>Aug  4 15:22:48 slam kernel: ppp: frame with bad fcs
>Aug  4 15:26:42 slam kernel: ppp: frame with bad fcs
>Aug  4 15:26:43 slam last message repeated 2 times
>Aug  4 15:26:47 slam pppd[223]: Hangup (SIGHUP)
>Aug  4 15:26:47 slam pppd[223]: ipcp: down
>Aug  4 15:26:47 slam pppd[223]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-down started; pid = 248
>Aug  4 15:26:47 slam pppd[223]: send_config: mtu = 1500
>Aug  4 15:26:47 slam pppd[223]: send_config: asyncmap = ffffffff
>Aug  4 15:26:47 slam pppd[223]: ioctl(PPPIOCSASYNCMAP): I/O error
>Aug  4 15:26:47 slam pppd[223]: ioctl(PPPIOCGDEBUG): I/O error
>Aug  4 15:26:47 slam pppd[223]: ioctl(TIOCSETD): I/O error

When a buddy of mine calls my Moringstar router from his linux box I
see these mesages too.  Often there are 5 or so "frame with bad fcs"
errors and then the link is brought down.

-wolfgang
-- 
Wolfgang Rupprecht <wolfgang@wsrcc.com>  <http://www.wsrcc.com/>

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From: leonb@tyr.research.ptt.nl (Bouwmeester L.)
Subject: CORRECTION: multi-threaded linux kernel
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 08:08:01 GMT


Dear Linuxers,

Last week I posted an announcement about ongoing work w.r.t. threads on
kernel-level. Lots of people reminded of quite an error: the code that
is to be developed shall be distributed under the GNU PUBLIC LICENSE.
Therefore, it is available for both commercial and non-commercial use.
My apologies.

Also, accidently I called the kernel "Linux Viper, linux 2.0". It 
appeared that only Linus can increase the number of the kernel. Therefore,
the kernel is called "Viper 1.0"; it will, however, be compatible with
the current Linux-kernels. 

Hopefully, any errors are now cleared (so stop flaming me!). 

Please, watch the announcements for the first kernel release supporting
kernel threads. If really in need for information about ongoing status:
mail to the mail-exploder: marino@ds5000.irb.hr

Regards,
        Leon Bouwmeester.

PS. This message is posted in all linux newsgroups.




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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Multi-threaded linux-kernel
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 22:37:47 GMT

In article <Cu8EMp.6C1@ucdavis.edu>, slouken@cs.ucdavis.edu (Sam Oscar Lantinga) says:
+---------------
|       Just out of curiosity, why is Viper going to be a whole
| new kernel?  Why isn't it a patch, like all the other great contributions?
+------------->8

You DON'T want to create a multithreaded kernel by patching a single-threaded
kernel.  The results would be, umm, less than satisfactory.  :-)  You want to
redesign the kernel from scratch, or the need to deal with things like mutex
locking will eat you (or the resulting kernel) alive --- and you also want to
redesign the kernel to *use* multithreading, which usually requires a very
different design.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH         [44.70.4.88]             bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
Linux development:  iBCS2, JNOS, MH

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.motif
From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Free Motif GUI and API (clone) for Linux
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 22:39:52 GMT

In article <32618m$142@news1.svc.portal.com>, jkf@shell.portal.com (Jon Fo) says:
+---------------
| Now I'm _reasonably sure_ this is available for Linux.  Check it out.  
| Or at least check out the tcl newsgroup.  Now what was the name of that 
| newsgroup...
+------------->8

I'm certain of it, since I use the Tk-based Exmh mailer daily :-)

comp.lang.tcl is the newsgroup you're looking for.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH         [44.70.4.88]             bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
Linux development:  iBCS2, JNOS, MH

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From: mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Subject: Re: new version of hdparm.c anywhere?
Date: 8 Aug 1994 22:44:28 GMT

In article <323gk8$gv8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> jr7877@eehpx14 writes:
>Is this new version of hdparm.c that will work with 1.1.39+ actually out there
>anywhere?  I checked tsx-11 in the ALPHA/IDE-performance directory and only 
>saw the ide performance driver v2.0 (older).  Is it just slow in getting put
>up?

Apparently so.

I'll put it onto sunsite.unc.edu:/incoming tonight, from where anyone can
grab it even before it gets "put up" into a proper location.

-ml
-- 
mlord@bnr.ca    Mark Lord       BNR Ottawa,Canada       613-763-7482

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From: gbrownin@sun1.iusb.indiana.edu (G. Browning)
Subject: SCSI/IDE????
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 20:29:56 GMT


I need some help with some drive theory..

I want to install a 1 gig scsi drive with a few 80 meg scsi
drives and one IDE 160 meg drive.  I talked it over with one
of our technicians and he says that the IDE drive must be the
boot drive as the AMI BIOS notices it first and then the scsi
bios is read.  

Now, LILO places itself in the master boot record..   if I want
the gig SCSI drive to contain my LINUX, will LILO place itself
in the MBR of the IDE to point to the SCSI?  (i.e. I want the
operating system on the gig drive and use the IDE drive as
/tmp).  

I will be getting the adaptec 1542 controller, but I have been
told that it DOES support 6 SCSI devices but only 2 drives..
if this is the case, then will I need 3 SCSI cards to support
my 1 gig SCSI, 240 meg SCSI, and the three 80 meg SCSI's 
I have?  Is there not a way to chain 6 SCSI drive internally?
Are not SCSI drives considered to be SCSI devices?  

Last, but not least... I have quota up and running from kernel
version 1.1.21 - 1.1.37.  Once I upgraded to kernel 1.1.38 it
didn't work.  Currently I use 1.1.41, is there any known fixes
or soon to be released version of/for quota?  

Many thanks for your time.

Gary R. Browning, Senior Consultant
Indiana University South Bend Computing Services 
 


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.coherent
From: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Subject: Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion)
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 20:57:30 GMT

Dan Pop (danpop@cernapo.cern.ch) wrote:
: In <9408042225.16@rmkhome.com> rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly) writes:

: >David Willmore (willmore@iastate.edu) wrote:
: >: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly) writes:
: >
: >: You call yourself a sysadmin? ;)  NFS export the darn drive and mount
: >: it on the target machine.  The tape solution is much more complex.
: >
: >But first explain to the people on the machines that have CD-ROM drives
: >that they can't use AnswerBook or all the other millions of doc sets
: >that are now on CD-ROM.

: Using your scheme, which implies taking away the drive, doesn't fix
: this problem, does it?

Yes, it keeps them from taking out the CD and putting in one of there 
own.

: >It's finding a free drive that's the problem.  And the majority of the
: >CD drives are on DOS/WINDOWS machines where thet seem to be a necessity
: >these days.

: And you wrote, some days ago, that a CD-ROM is needed only to install
: Linux on a PC, so its price should be included in the Linux's installation
: price :-)

The only tasks that I have used CD's for are loading Solaris 1.x and
2.x, and loading Oracle on Suns.  None of these three tasks are applicable
to my personal uses.

I don't use MSDOS or Windows 3.x.  I haven't run DOS here since 1990.
So I don't need a CD drive for Microsoft drivel.

: >: With a remote tape drive: (remember, if the CDROM drive is going
: >: to be remote, the tape drive has to be too.  hell, CDROM drives are
: >: so much cheaper than tape drives, they're probably more common.)
: >
: >Every UNIX box has a tape drive.

: You must be kidding, aren't you? Less than 10% of the Unix workstations
: I've seen have a tape drive. If you have the Unix boxes connected to a
: LAN, you don't need a tape drive on each machine.

At work, every system that needs a tape drive, gets a tapedrive.

Maybe you like to sit around for hours trying to back up hundreds of
computers to a handful of tapedrives.

Fur personal use, I have no need for a CD-ROM drive, so why should I
buy one before the need occurs?


-- 

Rick Kelly  rmk@rmkhome.com  rmk@bedford.progress.com

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Subject: Re: Usefulness of BSD/Linux Source Knowledge (was BSD vs. LINUX)
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 21:43:08 GMT

Peter G. Berger (peterb@telerama.lm.com) wrote:
: In article <9408040155.38@rmkhome.com>, Rick Kelly <rmk@rmkhome.com> wrote:
: >Well, if AT&T dies, the USENET dies, as they own all the leased lines
: >in the US.
: >

: No, they don't.

: Not even *close*.

The telephone infrastructure of the US is based primarily on the AT&T
long distance trunk lines.  MCI, Sprint, etc lease the use of these lines
from AT&T.


-- 

Rick Kelly  rmk@rmkhome.com  rmk@bedford.progress.com

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From: hartmans@bga.com (Sam Hartman)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Multi-threaded linux-kernel
Date: 8 Aug 1994 20:37:32 -0500

        I have added gnu.misc.discuss and redirected follow-ups there.

In article <1994Aug7.180853.21815@cs.cornell.edu>,
Matt Welsh <mdw@cs.cornell.edu> wrote:
>In article <321rq1$sau@nkosi.well.com> gonzo@magnet.mednet.net (Patrick J. Volkerding) writes:
>>Something else that I'm surprised no one has commented on is that this new 
>>kernel is allegedly going to be released "for non-commercial use." I 
>>don't think this type of restriction is allowed, since any kernel derived 
>>from Linux would be subject to the GPL.
>
>You're right, Patrick. The new kernel must be placed under the GPL.
>
>Anyone concerned about this should mail L.H.A.Bouwmeester@research.ptt.nl.
>



        While I realize in this case, the proposed Linux was based on
current GPL'd code, and would definitely be covered by the GPL, what if
someone planned to write a multi-threaded Linux compatible kernel from
scrach, using external interfaces in the current kernel.  Would this have to
be under the GPL?  Certainly, it would be only fair that such code be given
to the masses, but would the author be required to do so?

        I realize this issue has come up in the past, and there was some
discussion, but I don't think it was ever resolution.  In the interests of
better developing an understanding of the GPL, I have forwarded this
situation,  for discussion.

--Sam

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From: patrickr@cs.kun.nl (Patrick Reijnen)
Subject: Re: TERM under DGUX - termtelnet gives "Resource unavailable"
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 22:36:19 GMT

In <HJSTEIN.94Aug8192415@sunset.huji.ac.il> hjstein@sunset.huji.ac.il (Harvey J. Stein) writes:

>I'm having a little trouble porting TERM v2.0.4 to a Data General
>Aviion running DG/UX.  The setting is:

>   -Compiled term in root-share mode on a Linux box.
>   -Compiled term in user-noshare mode on a Sun.
>   -Patched configure & config.h to get term to compile on an Aviion
>    (I just made the trivial changes necessary & copied the #ifdef
>    linux defines into an #ifdef DGUX.  Also, had to use cc instead of
>    gcc).  Used user-share mode.

>I used the linux defines because this is what worked for me with
>version 1.14.

>The Linux box is my local machine.  Linux & the sun communicate just
>file.  The compilation on the DG went fine (no errors, no warnings,
>but I didn't use the -ansi switch, so that doesn't mean much).  When I
>run term in user-shared mode on the DG & root-shared mode on the Linux
>box, then I can run trsh, tupload, tredir & tmon, so it basically
>seems to work.  However, when I try to run termtelnet on the Linux
>box, the term connection on the DG gives the message:

>   Term: connect: Resource temporarily unavailable

>On the other hand, when I use term114 on the DG, & term204 on the
>Linux box, then termtelnet works.

You should really not use term 1.1.4 in combination with term 2.0.4 as these are highly incompatible. Alas for i think your problem is the fact that you got termtelnet in binary form from one of the ftp-sites. Most probably it then is compiled for use with term 1.1.4, which means that chance is high that it will not work on a term2.0.4 - term 2.0.4 connection. I'm surprised to hear that it works on a term1.1.4 - term 2.0.4 connection.

If you want to use telnet, get the NORMAL telnet sources from a ftp-site, read the porting document available in the term 2.0.4 package and you should be able to get it to work. As far as I have seen there are no sources of termtelnet available :-(.

>So, does anyone know what this might mean & what I might try to do
>about it?  I can't just use trsh because others need to use this link
>too (which was the reason I'm upgrading, namely to use the shared-term
>stuff).

>Thanks,
>--
>Harvey J. Stein
>Berger Financial Research
>hjstein@math.huji.ac.il


Hope this helps you out,


Patrick Reijnen


--
************************* Patrick Reijnen *************************
* Department of Computer Science, Catholic University of Nijmegen * 
* Email:  patrickr@{sci,cs}.kun.nl                                *
* WWW:    http://{atlas,zeus}.cs.kun.nl:4000/homepage.html        *

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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: How do you read the c.o.l.* groups?
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 22:47:45 GMT

In <1994Aug4.094110.7248@desaster.student.uni-tuebingen.de> michaelw@desaster.student.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Will) writes:

>las@light-house.uucp writes:
>>: I use nn and the space bar.
>when I have a lot of time - me too. but usualy I just go through it scanning
>for keywords in the subject like "PCI", "NCR" or whatever I took interest in
>the last time I had time :)

But of course that will only result in a number of "where can I find a
driver for my PCI SCSI controller" articles :-)

Rob
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| Rob Janssen                | AMPRnet:   rob@pe1chl.ampr.org           |
| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl     | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU     |
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: linux-1.1.39 doesn't wanna compile w/TMC850 Driver
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 23:18:52 GMT

In <31ve0b$qft@agate.berkeley.edu> nevman@server.Berkeley.EDU (Nevin Cheung) writes:

>I have successfully compiled everything from 0.99.15 to 1.1.37...  Now, 
>when I tried to compile 1.1.39, the following errors came up when I tried 
>to compile the SCSI drivers...  What's the problem?  Where is "STAT" 
>supposed to be?  Thanx...

try 1.1.41

Rob
-- 
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| Rob Janssen                | AMPRnet:   rob@pe1chl.ampr.org           |
| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl     | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU     |
=========================================================================

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.coherent
From: imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: Coherent & Linux (Was : A Truly Unbiased Opinion)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 19:47:43 GMT

In article <9408071824.19@rmkhome.com> rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly) writes:
>Guess you've never used Sun workstations, Intel AT clones, and host of
>other boxes whose controllers will take a dive if the terminator is
>removed.

Ah, the good old Solbournes would just say "SCSI bus reset" and keep
going.  Caused a former employee of that company lots of grief until I
pointed out what the PC hardware expects wrt proper termination.

Warner
-- 
Warner Losh             imp@boulder.parcplace.COM       ParcPlace Boulder
"... but I can't promote you to "Prima Donna" unless you demonstrate a few
 more serious personality disorders"

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