Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #575
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Date:     Mon, 8 Aug 94 19:13:18 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #575, Volume #2                 Mon, 8 Aug 94 19:13:18 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Free Motif GUI and API (clone) for Linux (Jon Fo)
  man 1.3 bug? (Peter Berger)
  mput, mget different speed ? (Alan Tsang)
  WANTED: Supplier of PC clone for Linux.... (I M H Nadiadi)
  Anyone assembling custom LINUX systems? (C U E Here Sysop)
  Re: splitting lines to 80chars (Mark P. Nelson)
  Re: Video board help (considering five) (Wade T. Miller)
  Xtmon and USRobotics Sportster (Tsung-lung Li)
  Reality check: 8MB, Linux, and Internet (Paul Hoffman)
  Re: Would Linux *just* run on this setup (Pete Ehlke)
  Re: Is Linux available for the PS/2 Line of computers? (C. McNiel)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Profiling FPU emulation? (Alex Ramos)
  Re: Linux T-Shirts (John W. Fawcett)

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From: jkf@shell.portal.com (Jon Fo)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.motif
Subject: Re: Free Motif GUI and API (clone) for Linux
Date: 8 Aug 1994 19:32:38 GMT

Jon Fo (jkf@shell.portal.com) wrote:
: jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi wrote:
: : Slackware 1.something installation docs mention the OI package, which is
: : some sort of Motif clone. However, when I ftp'd the files in June the OI
: : files were missing and now the Slackware 2.0 docs don't even mention it!
: : What has happened to OI? Isn't it freely available any more?

: : My aim is to have a Motif look-and-feel environment. And after a few
: : weeks I would like to try developing apps to the Motif API. Is it
: : possible to achieve these goals free?
: : --
: : Juhani Jaakola, jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi
: Try getting fvwm.  It has a "Motif" look-and-feel mode.  It's not mwm,
: and some say it's better.  There are some important differences, but I
: use it as my main window manager.  It's based on twm more or less.  I 
: can't remember a good ftp site to get it from.  If I find the ftp site, 
: I'll post a followup.  Or hopefully someone else closer to your site knows 
: of one...  Actually I think it may already be in one of those Linux 
: software collections that are popping up all over the place.

: Hope this helps...

: ----------------------------------------------------------------------
: Jon Fo                                        "Mmm...Soylent Green..."
: jkf@shell.portal.com                  - Homer Simpson

As usual, I only answered half the question.  No excuses this time, since
I answered from home.  Thanks to Jason Van Patten for pointing this out to 
me.  As for the second part of the question, I think OI would certainly be 
the way to go _if it is freely available_.  OI allows you to develop user 
interface code that can be both Open Look and OSF/Motif compliant, at least 
in look-and-feel.  I believe you can select between the two at runtime.  
There IS another solution, but it is quite different from the classic 
toolkit approach.  It's the tcl/tk toolkit.  You define your user 
interface as a script and link in the interpreter into your program.
Now I'm _reasonably sure_ this is available for Linux.  Check it out.  
Or at least check out the tcl newsgroup.  Now what was the name of that 
newsgroup...

Sorry for the wasted bandwidth...

Jon Fo
jkf@shell.portal.com


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Date: Sat, 06 Aug 1994 21:28:01 +0200
From: pit@lxs.baboon.ch (Peter Berger)
Subject: man 1.3 bug?

Just packed my non-formatted man-pages in /usr/man/man? and looked at one of
the now packed man-pages (/usr/man/man1/groff.1.gz). man (v1.3, out of
Slackware 2.0) did show the man-page as it should but there's one drawback.
The resulting formatted man-page looks like that:

/var/man/man1/groff.1.gz.gz

That's not what I'd expect.. (/var/man/man1/groff.1.gz).

bye,
    Peter

e-mail: pit@lxs.baboon.ch
        pit@p2.lxs.baboon.ch


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From: atsang@hk.net (Alan Tsang)
Subject: mput, mget different speed ?
Date: 8 Aug 1994 18:57:14 GMT

Hi

Would anybody explain why I always get higher speed with mput than mget
when using ftp ?

Regards


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,biz.comp.hardware,biz.comp.services,biz.comp.software,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone
From: mapimhn@midge.bath.ac.uk (I M H Nadiadi)
Subject: WANTED: Supplier of PC clone for Linux....
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 19:38:37 GMT

I am looking for suppliers of hardware who:

        * Sell complete systems custom built to requirements, with regard to
           cpu, architecture, slots, sram, dram, bios, ports, keyboard, mouse,
           floppy, hard disk, scsi tape drive, cd-rom drive, sound card,
           monitor, graphics accelerator, full tower case (power supply, fan).

        * Specialise in Linux/GNU/Xfree86 software (including MS-DOS/Windows).

        * Supply all hardware and software configured to provide optimal
          performance.

        * And are based either in Europe (UK,continent), United States
          or Canada.

Any useful information appreciated. Thanks.

\\  Iqbal M. Nadiadi                        E-mail: mm902p@uk.ac.cranfield   \\
//  AMAC, SME                                       mapimhn@uk.ac.bath.midge //
\\  Cranfield University                                                     \\
//  Bedfordshire, MK43 0AL, UK.                                              //

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Subject: Anyone assembling custom LINUX systems?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: Roger_Walker@CUEHere.Edmonton.AB.CA (C U E Here Sysop)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 94 13:50:11 MDT

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I apologize in advance if this should not have been crossposted between
.misc and .help

Can anyone provide a customized Linux system, or point me to someone who
can? Within one to to months, I hope to have finished negotiating a 56Kbps
dedicated Internet link, and may have to move faster than my limited Linux
experience will allow.

GENERAL:

This system will be an Internet node for a group who want an alternative to
the high cost of various service providers in the area, and must connect
V.35 to the 56K line. I expect the other end to be connected directly to a
router on the Internet. The system will be used to provide all manner of
Internet goodies (telnet, ftp, mosaic, chat, talk, finger, www, wais,
gopher, archie, veronica, mosaic, EMail, News, UUCP, and any others I've
left out) directly to dialup accounts (up to 8 dialups, 28.8Kbps modems). I
would also like to be able to use a couple of those dialups for either PPP
on demand or dedicated PPP connections as a host.

SPECIFICS:

Although I present the following as an idea of what I figure will be
required, please feel free to make suggestions; most of my experience has
been as a system administrator with Intergraph CLIX boxes on a local
internet, and my 'PC' knowledge is lacking.

o  Pentium 90Mhz
o  Tower Case w/HD power supply (250-300W), lots of bays
o  512K cache
o  16 Meg RAM minimum
o  SCSI II interface (w/external port)
o  500 Meg fast SCSI II hard drive minimum
o  230 Meg M/O R/W Optical drive minimum (for backup and archive)
o  CD-ROM (optional; I have NEC 3X external with SCSI ports)
o  Ethernet card for V.35 connection[?] (top quality)
o  Video card/monitor, good but cost effective (64bit might be nice for X
:-)
o  Sound card (not critical
o  Terminal server or multi port for dialups (Digiboard 8 ?)
o  Slackware 2.0 distribution CD, other Linux CDs
o  Other networking software as noted above.

I would appreciate a cost breakdown for a system which will be runnable,
right out of the box, plus leasing terms/costs, if it is an option.

ALTERNATIVELY:

If anyone is running a system for similar use, or a system of similar
configuration, I would appreciate any (general) information which will
enable me to make good component choices and minimize my setup and
configuration time.

Thank-you very much for any responses. Responses should be via EMail to the
address below. I will post an appropriate summary of responses to the
'ALTERNATIVELY' request, and possibly a general summary of responses to the
'SPECIFICS' request.

- -- 
Roger Walker (403) 465-4962  ****  SysOp, CUE Here BBS (403) 465-7715
 GIS Analyst (403) 496-4145
         FAX (403) 496-4014       Roger_Walker@CUEHere.Edmonton.AB.CA

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From: mpn@AlleleB.Berkeley.EDU (Mark P. Nelson)
Subject: Re: splitting lines to 80chars
Date: 8 Aug 1994 22:08:46 GMT
Reply-To: mpn@alleleb.berkeley.edu

Tim Smith (tzs@u.washington.edu) wrote:
: David Fox <fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu> wrote:
: >not a "standard" unix util.  I hope this closes the book
: >on this request, the original poster can now decide what
: >he really needs.

: Just because an answer has been found is not reason to close the book.
: This is usenet, after all.  That would be unprecedented.  There are still
: plenty of other solutions that have yet to be suggested that use only
: standard utilites:

Hear! Hear!

My favorite standard utility is the C compiler:

/************************************************************************/

#include <stdlib.h>
#include <stdio.h>

int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
        FILE *infile, *outfile
        register int i, j = 0;

        /* error checking omitted for brevity here */
        infile = fopen(argv[1], "r");
        outfile = fopen (argv[2], "w");

        while((i = fgetc(infile)) != EOF)
        {
                if (i == '\n')
                        continue; /* don't muck up the 80 char format */
                                  /* with spurious newlines from the input */
                fputc(i, outfile);
                if(j++ == 80)
                {
                        fputc('\n', outfile);
                        j = 0;
                }
        }
        fclose(infile);
        fclose(outfile);
        return(0);
}

/************************************************************************/

Cute punction marks omitted here to annoy the humour-impaired.

--
Mark P. Nelson (mpn@alleleb.berkeley.edu)
                         While I'll admit that anyone can make a mistake once,
                         to go on making the same lethal errors century after
                         century seems to me nothing short of deliberate.--V.

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From: wmiller@vyonous.kennesaw.edu (Wade T. Miller)
Subject: Re: Video board help (considering five)
Date: 8 Aug 1994 07:57:43 GMT

Eric Brown (ebrown@pdsc.com) wrote:
: I'm trying to decide between five video boards to run multipule OSes  
: (Linux, Windows, Chicago & NT). Which is the best?
:       ATI Graphics Wonder (mach32 chip)
:       Actix Graphics Engine Ultra Plus (86C928 chip)
:       Hercules Dynamite (ET4000/W32 chip)
:       Genoa WindowsVGA 24 Accelerator (Cirrus Logic CL-GD5426 chip)
:       STB Horizon (Cirrus Logic CL-GD5426 chip)

: All are ISA, have refresh at 70Hz or better at 1024 x 768 and cost less  
: than $200. Actix is the only board that uses VRAM or runs 60Hz or better  
: at 1280 x 1024 but I'm not sure I need that resolution anyway.

: Which of these are best and are there any other's I should consider?

: Thanks,
: Eric.
: ebrown@pdsc.com

 I use the Hercules Dynamite VLB with no problems.  I used to have a
 ATI VGA Wonder which is the predecessor to the Graphics wonder.  The ATI
 board would only work at 640x480 monochrome.  The drivers were for an older
 chip version.  I doubt there are X drivers for the new ATI board.
 By all means go with the Dynamite.  Its fast and highly compatible.

 Wade

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From: quantum@u.washington.edu (Tsung-lung Li)
Subject: Xtmon and USRobotics Sportster
Date: 8 Aug 1994 07:58:08 GMT


Hello,

I just experienced an interesting thing abount my USRobotic Sportster.

I used my modem to upload and download files at the same time.  The xtmon 
on my stsyem tells me that BOTH incoming and outgoing rates are between 
1670 and 1680 cps.  Is this real?  I thought the SUM of outgoing and incoming
rates has to be less or equal 14400 bps(1800cps).  

Tsung


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From: phoffman@proper.com (Paul Hoffman)
Subject: Reality check: 8MB, Linux, and Internet
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 1994 13:32:38 -0800

I'm thinking of setting up a low-use Web server running Linux. It will
just run Gn for WWW stuff, handle a small amount of mail, and very low
telnet use.

Is 8 MB enough to run without heavy swapping? I'd be running inetd and
named as daemons at startup, everything else out of inetd. I don't want to
spend the extra $350 to go to 16 MB if I don't have to.

--Paul Hoffman, President
--Proper Publishing

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From: ehlkep@mary.iia.org (Pete Ehlke)
Subject: Re: Would Linux *just* run on this setup
Date: 8 Aug 1994 16:28:39 -0400

adam@spam.tamu.edu (Adam Roach) writes:

>Ivan Murray <Ivan.Murray@comp.vuw.ac.nz> wrote:
>>I've got a 386/387 @ 20MHz, 4mb RAM and a 420Mb HD.  How usable would Linux be
>>with this setup? 

>I've got a 386sx/387 @ 16 MHz, 4 MB ram and a 325 MB HD. Linux runs just
>fine on my system, although kernel compiles take forever. I usually start
>them before I go to bed or leave for the day.

>I have not tried installing X.

My first Linux box was a 386SX/16 with a 387, 4Mb ram, 8mb swap, 
and about 25Mb on a 42Mb disk. Ran just fine. X was a bit of a 
pain, but I could use it. Certainly wasn't as painful as windoze on
the same machine. The biggest pain was installing the kernel source 
and gcc, compiling a kernel, removing the kernel source and gcc, and
finally installing X. 

I don't think that you'll have a problem. If you can afford more ram,
buy it. If not, give yourself PLENTY of swap space.

 
______________________________________________________________________________
But how could we know when I was young             | Pete Ehlke
All the changes that were to come?                 | ehlkep@iia.org
All the photos in the wallets on the battlefield   |
And now the terror of the scientific sun?          |
              -The Clash, "Something about England"|



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From: cmcniel@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (C. McNiel)
Subject: Re: Is Linux available for the PS/2 Line of computers?
Date: 8 Aug 1994 09:01:35 -0500

ianm@apprentice.qualcomm.com (Ian McCloghrie) writes:

>mark@gcs.com (Mark Bolzern) writes:
>>In article <30sfve$ak5@nyx10.cs.du.edu>,
>>mark salopek <msalopek@nyx10.cs.du.edu> wrote:
>>>Is a Linux version for the PS/2 Micorchannel computers?

>>I don't beleive so... not a lot of demand for it.  I could be wrong though
>>If anyone knows otherwise.... say so.

>The mainline kernel has no support for the MCA bus.  There was, I
>believe, a project going to implement this support at one time, but I
>haven't seen anything from them in a few months, so it may have
>collapsed.

Look on invaders.dcrl.nd.edu for a beta linux kernel and installation disk 
that works on PS/2 ESDI computers with the MCA bus.  I'm running it right
now and it has been very stable for me.  The disk images for a debian install
are located on invaders and I am (in my limited spare time.) working on a
slackware installation.

Craig

>--
>____
>\bi/  Ian McCloghrie      | FLUG:  FurryMUCK Linux User's Group
> \/   email: ian@ucsd.edu | Card Carrying Member, UCSD Secret Islandia Club
>GCS (!)d-(--) p c++ l++(+++) u+ e- m+ s+/+ n+(-) h- f+ !g w+ t+ r y*

>The above represents my personal opinions and not necessarily those
>of my employer, Qualcomm Inc.

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.hp.apps,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.unix.unixware
From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 20:01:20 GMT

In article <Cu76s8.90y@epimbe.com>, vlcek@epimbe.com (James Vlcek) says:
+---------------
| Brandon Allbery writes:
| >In article <Cu6r7v.7vA@epimbe.com>, vlcek@epimbe.com (James Vlcek)
| >says:
| >| I've
| >| been admonished by many Linuxoids "they've only just started working
| >| on WINE - give them time!"  What the hell - I'm going to tell my
| >| customers that?  Get real!
| 
| >You sound like some of the stupider clients I've had to work with:
| >"if it doesn't exist *now*, it obviously never will".
| 
| *snort*  The stupider of your clients would be those who accept
| assurances that functionality missing today will provided by
| hackerware that's due to be ready, oh, maybe a year or so from now.
+------------->8

No, I'm likening you to the folks who think 30 minutes is too long to wait.
Instant Gratification folks seem to think that the future is something best
avoided or destroyed if possible.  "STOP ALL DEVELOPMENT, IT'S WORTHLESS
BECAUSE IT ISN'T DONE NOW!!!"  Yeah, right.  Welcome to the Stone Age...

| I have to ship product *today*.  If it doesn't exist *today* (as in
| *now*), then it doesn't exist.  Meaning: I can't ship it.  Period.
| End of story.
+------------->8

Fine, so come up with something now if it's needed.  But don't try to kill
someone else's development effort because it won't help *you* *now*.  Unless
acting the spoiled brat is a selling point, of course.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH         [44.70.4.88]             bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
Linux development:  iBCS2, JNOS, MH

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From: ramos@engr.latech.edu (Alex Ramos)
Subject: Profiling FPU emulation?
Date: 8 Aug 1994 22:01:20 GMT

Is there any way I can find out just how often my FPU emulation
is getting used? I want to know if it's worth getting a 387 coprocessor.

Thanks,
--
Alex Ramos (ramos@engr.latech.edu) * http://info.latech.edu/~ramos/
Louisiana Tech University, BSEE/Sr * These opinions are probably mine

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From: fawcett@connected.com (John W. Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Linux T-Shirts
Date: 8 Aug 1994 13:49:17 -0700

In article <325ivc$i45@oak.oakland.edu>,
Craig S. Maloney <craig@enterprise> wrote:
>On 5 Aug 1994 11:27:36 -0700 John W. Fawcett (fawcett@connected.com) wrote the following...
>:>In article <1994Aug3.225635.8909@kf8nh.wariat.org>,
>:>Brandon S. Allbery <bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org> wrote:
>:>>In article <31ofjq$1imi@locutus.rchland.ibm.com>, zimmermn@rchvmv.vnet.ibm.com says:
>:>>| >And a "Virtual Brewery" shirt that is a little hard to explain in ASCII.
>
>:>You can see a picture of the image (O.K., it's kind of small, but then
>:>again I have a limited budget) in the next issue of the Linux Journal.
>:>Order from either me or SSC; it's the same stuff.
>
>:>I have completed a couple of other designs using POV as well.  These two
>:>are "Floating Point Eggception" (an egg in the middle of a bunch of
>:>floating "points") and "Segmentation fault" (a worm with an error).
>:>Pictures of these will be in the the LJ issue after this, if I get my
>:>advertisement revised.
>
>Could these pictures be posted for those of us who are Linux Journal-less?

Since you asked, I will try to do so.  I will assemble a package and upload
it to sunsite.  I should be done by the end of the week.  I will post a
message here when I get them uploaded.

Best,
John W. Fawcett
fawcett@hebron.connected.com (when the mail works)

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