Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #574
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Mon, 8 Aug 94 17:13:14 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #574, Volume #2                 Mon, 8 Aug 94 17:13:14 EDT

Contents:
  Re: iBCS EMULATOR??? (Christopher M. May)
  Re: Usefulness of BSD/Linux Source Knowledge (was BSD vs. LINUX) (turnbull@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (turnbull@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp)
  Re: dip with a pulse phone line (mgb)
  Re: Doom on SGI -- wow! (Kai Petzke)
  Re: How do you read the c.o.l.* groups? (Kevin Martinez)
  Re: Multi-threaded linux-kernel (Theodore Ts'o)
  TERM under DGUX - termtelnet gives "Resource unavailable" (Harvey J. Stein)
  Re: Video board help (considering five) (Christopher M. May)
  insmod for linux 1.1.35? (Peter Orondo)
  Re: `mkisofs' ? (Arndt Schoenewald)
  Linux in the New York Times (Robert Ashcroft)
  Re: NFS gets confused on 8k+ writes? (Lawrence Houston)
  Re: Zyxel software? (Russell Nelson)
  Re: Multi-threaded linux-kernel (Russell Nelson)
  Re: Free Motif GUI and API (clone) for Linux (Jason Van Patten)

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From: cmay@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Christopher M. May)
Subject: Re: iBCS EMULATOR???
Date: 8 Aug 1994 15:56:44 GMT

Norm Walker (nwalker@cln.etc.bc.ca) wrote:

: Why is the iBCS package refered to as an emulator... it adds 
: binary compatability not emulating per se.

: I have tried it and it works great for everything that I had
: -- 
: Merritt Secondary School - Computer Support Teacher

You're right, it's a loadable module which provides binary compatibility,
but, couldn't DOSEMU be referred to as a package which provides 
binary compatibility with MSDOS programs, since DOSEMU actually
uses the 386's _hardware_ ability to virtualize an 8086?

The two terms are very close, we're splitting hairs here.
--

-Chris May, Computer Science, University of MA, Amherst
-       Technical Assistant, P.C. Maintenance Lab


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From: turnbull@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Usefulness of BSD/Linux Source Knowledge (was BSD vs. LINUX)
Date: 7 Aug 94 17:40:02 GMT
Reply-To: turnbull@shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp

In article <9408040155.38@rmkhome.com>, Rick Kelly <rmk@rmkhome.com> wrote:
>Well, if AT&T dies, the USENET dies, as they own all the leased lines
>in the US.
>
Come now.  If you don't know better than that, I do.  We'll each pick
up a leased line at the bankruptcy auction!
    I can't wait!

    Steve Turnbull

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From: turnbull@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: 7 Aug 94 18:17:30 GMT

In article <31lm03$6ts@hippo.shef.ac.uk>,
Stuart Herbert <ac3slh@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>I have yet to see anyone sit down at a UNIX terminal for the very first time,
>who has not read any material about UNIX, and be able to do *anything*.  Under
>DOS, they normally get a directory listing up within 10 minutes.
>
>: Just think back to when you first sat at a Unix prompt.  I bet you
>: were completely at a loss what to do.
>
>Yup.
>
>: Tim.
>
>Stuart

Not me.  I got introduced to Emacs (back when it was TECO-based and
responded to "ESC-ESC-^G" with "Can't hack buffers?  HAHAHAHAHA!" or
something like that) on a TOPS-20 [DECSystem-20 walking....] in the
basement of the CERAS building at Stanford.  (Ed Schools have their
uses, I guess.)
    Anyway, the first time I sat down at a Unix prompt, I typed
"emacs" and then "^Hi", and was doing useful work within seconds.
    I guess you could call that "cheating."
    Oh, and I learned about man pages in approximately the same way.
The "lady" at the next terminal said, "F---ing man!  Never tells you
what you want to know."  Believe it or not, I typed "man" and never
had that cruel awakening most folks go through, realizing that they
knew nothing about the machine, and couldn't force it to tell them
anything useful.
    This you could call "outrageous luck."  Wish it worked on my love
life....
    --Steve
PS.  Wondered where you went, Stuart....  We miss you over on the
DJGPP list.

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From: byrne_mike@lmsc.lockheed.com (mgb)
Subject: Re: dip with a pulse phone line
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 15:06:11 GMT

In article <1zezschw.776259207@rzdspc2>,
1zezschw@rzdspc2.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Hans-Georg von Zezschwitz)
wrote:

> bandy@paul.cs.umn.edu (Tim D. Bandy) writes:
> 
> >just doesn't work.  So, is there a configuration somewhere for dip that
> >is set for dial=AT DP?  Perhaps I could recompile it for pulse?  Or, should
> 
> I had the same problem. The April-version of DIP was able to use pulse-dialing
> (either by giving and ATDP command or by using the default - just giving out
> ATD ....), the July(?)-Version uses ATDT.
> 
> I had a look at DIP with SHE (a file editor you can get from sunsite.unc.edu).
> The command is at location 0x2A32. Try to patch the DT to DP!
> 

Another way is to change the dial string in modem.c to ATDP and recompile.

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From: wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Kai Petzke)
Subject: Re: Doom on SGI -- wow!
Date: 8 Aug 94 15:51:20 GMT

A.Kruse@nikhef.nl (Andres Kruse (NIKHEF),1c/137,2909) writes:

>In article duq@news.tamu.edu, wdevine@pvcea.pvamu.edu (William Devine II) writes:
>> Where can i find the Doom binaries for SGI's?
>> I got one and i want to play doom on a real machine!

>Check directory /pub/msdos/games/id on ftp.uwp.edu.

Isn't it a pity to go through the msdos directory of an ftp server to
download an SGI game?

Well, it's like going through the hell (= dos) to reach heaven (= unix),
to reach the hell (= doom) once again.



Kai
-- 
Kai Petzke                      | How fast can computers get?
Technical University of Berlin  |
Berlin, Germany                 | Sol 9, of course, on Star Trek.
wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de   |

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From: Kevin Martinez <lps@rahul.net>
Subject: Re: How do you read the c.o.l.* groups?
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 06:34:13 GMT

michaelw@desaster.student.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Will) writes:

>las@light-house.uucp writes:
>>: I use nn and the space bar.
>when I have a lot of time - me too. but usualy I just go through it scanning
>for keywords in the subject like "PCI", "NCR" or whatever I took interest in
>the last time I had time :)

You can do this with nngrab. It results in a "custom" newsgroup that 
matches your search criteria and can cover the entire unexpired news on 
your server.
-- 
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 Kevin Martinez    lps@rahul.net    Member of the Julie Kangas Fan Club
 Work: 1 800 50 SATAN                              Home: 1 510 676 1111
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From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Subject: Re: Multi-threaded linux-kernel
Date: 8 Aug 1994 13:49:08 -0400
Reply-To: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)

   From: tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
   Date: 7 Aug 1994 05:22:22 GMT

   Larry McVoy <lm@stanford.edu> wrote:
   >Does this sort of announcement worry others as much as it worries me?
   ...
   >>The new kernel (called Linux Viper, linux 2.0) is still in design phase,

   The main problem, it seems to me, is their calling it "linux 2.0".  A
   kernel should not be called "linux" unless it is from or approved by Linus.
   They should call it "Viper 1.0, based on Linux", or something like that.
   (For purposes of this paragraph, device drivers should not be considered
   to be part of the kernel, so adding or removing device drivers should not
   cause one to cease calling one's kernel "linux").

Agreed.  I consider this to be similar to the situation when Frank Xia
tried to call his new filesystem the "linux filesystem".  Fortunately,
no one fell for it.

I'm worried, but not too much.  First we have to see if anything even
comes out of this group.  After all, it's still vaporware.  After that,
there's the question of whether anyone will want to use it.  Finally, we
can get to the question about whether or not it should be called Linux.

Although the last one is a very important issue, with all due respects
to people who announced Viper, I suspect there's a very good chance we
might not have to answer it.

I do agree with you that there's nothing wrong with people going off on
their own to make new systems based on GPL code.  But they really should
change the name, and not claim to be version 2.0 without getting
permission from the original author.  To do otherwise is really tacky.

                                                - Ted



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Subject: TERM under DGUX - termtelnet gives "Resource unavailable"
From: hjstein@sunset.huji.ac.il (Harvey J. Stein)
Date: 8 Aug 94 19:24:15

I'm having a little trouble porting TERM v2.0.4 to a Data General
Aviion running DG/UX.  The setting is:

   -Compiled term in root-share mode on a Linux box.
   -Compiled term in user-noshare mode on a Sun.
   -Patched configure & config.h to get term to compile on an Aviion
    (I just made the trivial changes necessary & copied the #ifdef
    linux defines into an #ifdef DGUX.  Also, had to use cc instead of
    gcc).  Used user-share mode.

I used the linux defines because this is what worked for me with
version 1.14.

The Linux box is my local machine.  Linux & the sun communicate just
file.  The compilation on the DG went fine (no errors, no warnings,
but I didn't use the -ansi switch, so that doesn't mean much).  When I
run term in user-shared mode on the DG & root-shared mode on the Linux
box, then I can run trsh, tupload, tredir & tmon, so it basically
seems to work.  However, when I try to run termtelnet on the Linux
box, the term connection on the DG gives the message:

   Term: connect: Resource temporarily unavailable

On the other hand, when I use term114 on the DG, & term204 on the
Linux box, then termtelnet works.

So, does anyone know what this might mean & what I might try to do
about it?  I can't just use trsh because others need to use this link
too (which was the reason I'm upgrading, namely to use the shared-term
stuff).

Thanks,
--
Harvey J. Stein
Berger Financial Research
hjstein@math.huji.ac.il

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From: cmay@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Christopher M. May)
Subject: Re: Video board help (considering five)
Date: 8 Aug 1994 16:26:18 GMT

This is my interpretation of the current status of 
ET4k vs S3 video support under linux.

 The S3 cards 805, 911, 928 are supported by XFree 2.1.1
        in 8 bit mode (since XFree doesn't yet support higher color)
 The ET4000 w32 has a pre-release server which supports some
        of the accelerated functions under X.
 Svgalib supports the ET4000 cards, and a few others in
        hicolor(65k), and truecolor(16m).
 Svgalib does not yet support the S3 cards at anything above standard
        vga resolutions (i.e. they work in regular vga modes)

So, if you mainly use X, and you are happy with just regular VGA
support at the console, the S3 cards are a better solution IMHO,
(given the current state of linux video support)

If you really need svgalib support in truecolor, get an ET4k xxx.

BUT, the S3 928 based Actix is a faster card than a ET4k w32.
The 928 uses VRAM, the et4k uses DRAM.

Hey, why not get the best piece of Hardware you can afford,
and then aid in the development of those drivers, if only
by beta testing and providing bug reports.  Otherwise, we'll
be stuck with drivers for inferior hardware forever.

There are 64 bit cards out now (S3 864, 964) and 128 bit cards
are on the way.  Why not get one of these?  The support will
arrive before long, and the larger the installed base, the 
higher the priority of the development (in theory)......

--

-Chris May, Computer Science, University of MA, Amherst
-       Technical Assistant, P.C. Maintenance Lab


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From: orondo@cyways.com (Peter Orondo)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: insmod for linux 1.1.35?
Date: 8 Aug 1994 19:01:33 GMT


I get this message when I insert ftape modules at boot:

warning: you are using an old insmod, no symbols will be inserted.
Does anyone know where I can get a newer insmod binary or why the 
error message?

thanks

peter orondo            orondo@cyways.com       
cyways, inc             podo@mit.edu
watertown, ma 02171     (617) 924-7991    

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From: arndt@aiscube.AIS-dortmund.de (Arndt Schoenewald)
Crossposted-To: alt.cd-rom,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: `mkisofs' ?
Date: 8 Aug 1994 17:23:46 GMT

Frank Munkert (ln_fmu@sle20.pki-nbg.philips.de) wrote:
: In article <31vfju$d65@almaak.usc.edu>, ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes:
: > I recently heard about the existence of `mkisofs', or free Unix
: > software which creates ISO 9660 file systems which can be put on
: > CD-R.
: > 
: > Is this for real?
: > 
: > Does it work with "all" CD-ROM recorders or some specific models?
: > Specifically, is the cheap Ricoh CD-R drive supported?

: Mkisofs is a premastering program, i.e. it creates a binary file (a so-called
: "image") which represents an ISO 9660 file system structure. Mkiosfs, however,
: does not actually write this image to a CDROM recorder. You need a special
: driver for this task; these drivers normally are supplied by the manufacturer
: of the CDROM recorder.

: > Does it work with all Unix?  The platforms I care for are SunOS and
: > Linux.  I can do smalltime porting from one Unix to another.

: Mkisofs has been written for Linux. It also compiles under SVR4. There should
: be no problems porting Mkisofs to SunOS.

Mkisofs compiles and runs nicely under both SunOS 4.1 and SunOS 5.3. You can
e.g. create a ISO 9660 image from a directory tree, copy this image to an
empty disk partition and mount this partition using the `hsfs' option:

    mkisofs -R -o /dev/rsd2g /usr/local
    mount -r -t hsfs /dev/sd2g /iso

To write the image to a CD-R disk, I use the software `img2cdr' from 
GEAR/Elektroson (which is also available for both 4.1 and 5.3).

Arndt
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.announce
From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Linux in the New York Times
Reply-To: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 17:09:00 GMT

Linux was mentioned (along with other GPL'd products) in an article
in Sunday's New York Times (Business section) on the growing usefulness
of such products to businesses due to the availability of third party
support.  The article specifically mentions Cygnus, GNU, Richard Stallman
and the Free Software Foundation, as well as Linux.

You don't get too much more mainstream than the New York Times.  Perhaps
the Wall St Journal...

RNA


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: houston@norton.geog.mcgill.ca (Lawrence Houston)
Subject: Re: NFS gets confused on 8k+ writes?
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 16:34:30 GMT

From article <324ge4$liu@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, by silly@dice.ugcs.caltech.edu (me):
> It's getting ridiculous, how much I'm asking for help, but I've reached 
> another stumbling block that I can't seem to get past.
> 
> I have a successfully mounted the Linux ext2 partition from my SGI, after
> adding "/ (rw)" to /etc/exports (insecure, I know, but this is a local 
> network).  On the client end I have the following line in my /etc/fstab:
> 
> 131.215.48.101:/ /net/goober/root nfs rw,noauto 0 0
> (This is the SGI, and 131.215.48.101 is the correct address for the Linux
>  box running nfsd -- I've now done some extensive network testing, and
>  it seems to work fine, both before and after NFS fails)
> 
> I'm running the following services: syslogd, klogd, rpc.portmap, inetd,
> named, rwhod, lpd, rpc.ugidd, crond, rpc.mountd and rpc.nfsd.  When I attempt
> to do a small (< 8k) write, it works fine, but a >8k write (copying a 10k
> file from /net/goober/root/tmp/a to /net/goober/root/tmp/b) causes nfsd to
> enter into a loop and the SGI to lose touch with the NFS server.  I 
> remember reading that NFS uses 8k block sizes, and thought this might have
> something to do with it.
> 
> I ran nfsd --debug and here's what happened on the copy of >8k (tagfile
> was the file I was copying from and I've wrapped lines to improve
> readability):
> 
> [fh_find is successful at finding the target, /tmp/testfile, and does some
>  successful-looking getattr/setattr calls]
> 
> Aug  7 23:17:41 goober nfsd[53]: fh_find: psi=1476397058...
>  found '/tmp/tagfile', fd=2
> Aug  7 23:17:41 goober nfsd[53]: read[1 94/8/8 03:18:29 ogrebo 0.0+0,1,2,3,4]
>  ^I/tmp/tagfile: 8192 bytes at 0
> Aug  7 23:17:41 goober nfsd[53]: fh_find: psi=1476397058...
>  found '/tmp/tagfile', fd=2
> Aug  7 23:17:41 goober nfsd[53]: fh_fd: reusing fd=2
> Aug  7 23:17:41 goober nfsd[53]: fh_find: psi=1476397058...
>  found '/tmp/tagfile', fd=2
> Aug  7 23:17:41 goober nfsd[53]: result: 0 ...
> ....
>  
> This block continues indefinitely, repeating about once per second.  Am
> I missing something fundamental, or could someone help steer me in the right
> direction?  I've read all the appropriate man pages (exports, mountd, nfsd,
> ugidd, fstab, etc.) and the HOWTOs (Installation, Ethernet -- didn't see
> anything substantial on NFS).

I recently mounted an ext2 partition from our SUN SPARCstations and I
followed the suggestion for quesetion #3 in the NFS FAQ which tells of
requiring r/w sizes of 1K for Linux NFS Mounts.  Per their instructions 
my /etc/fstab entries on the SUNs similar to the following:

linux:/public /public nfs rw,bg,hard,intr,rsize=1024,wsize=1024  0 0

where 'linux' is my Linux 1.0.9 (Slackware 2.0.0) Host.  Seems to work
reasonably well, given that the current NFS under Linux is not all that
robust (the disk in question is actually an old 'shoebox' from a SUN3)!
Would suggest following the recommendations contained in the NFS FAQ 
(which is part of the Slackware 2.0.0 Distribution, I assume it can be
found where ever the rest of the FAQs & HOWTOs 'live').

Lawrence Houston  -  (houston@norton.geog.mcgill.ca)


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From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
Subject: Re: Zyxel software?
Date: 08 Aug 1994 17:03:12 GMT

In article <1994Aug7.231949.1@ids> vlad@ids.net writes:


   hey.. does anyone know of an ftp site that has software for Zyxel
   modems? I'm trying to set up a VMB. thanks...

Sure, look on sunsite.unc.edu for mgetty+sendfax.

--
-russ <nelson@crynwr.com>    http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html
Crynwr Software   | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key
11 Grant St.      | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX)  | What is thee doing about it?
Potsdam, NY 13676 | LPF member - ask me about the harm software patents do.

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From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
Subject: Re: Multi-threaded linux-kernel
Date: 08 Aug 1994 17:03:37 GMT

In article <1994Aug7.180659.21711@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh) writes:

   In article <321blr$nu5@Times.Stanford.EDU> lm@stanford.edu (Larry McVoy) writes:
   >Another way to ask the question - do the core group of kernel hackers

   One thing that does bother me is the use of the name "linux" to refer
   to these "offshoot" kernels. I believe that Mr. Bouwmeester's 
   posting mentioned that his kernel would be known as Linux Viper---or,
   "Linux 2.0". The former is fine, the latter is not. "Linux" alone should 
   refer only to Linus' standard kernel. Other kernels (such as FvK's
   Linux Pro, and so on) should use different naming conventions---only to
   reduce confusion.

I agree.  Linus owns the trademark "Linux", and probably doesn't have
to worry about defending it as long as people are running kernels
that come from him.  But he should also reconsider registering the
Linux trademark (last time I asked he said "What for?  What would I
want to stop people from doing?").

--
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From: vanpatjm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Jason Van Patten)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.motif
Subject: Re: Free Motif GUI and API (clone) for Linux
Date: 8 Aug 1994 18:47:01 GMT

Jon Fo (jkf@shell.portal.com) wrote:
: jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi wrote:
: : My aim is to have a Motif look-and-feel environment. And after a few
: : weeks I would like to try developing apps to the Motif API. Is it
: : possible to achieve these goals free?
: : --
: : Juhani Jaakola, jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi
: Try getting fvwm.  It has a "Motif" look-and-feel mode.  It's not mwm,
: and some say it's better.  There are some important differences, but I
: use it as my main window manager.  It's based on twm more or less.  I 
: can't remember a good ftp site to get it from.  If I find the ftp site, 
: I'll post a followup.  Or hopefully someone else closer to your site knows 
: of one...  Actually I think it may already be in one of those Linux 
: software collections that are popping up all over the place.

        This only answers half of the question.  Yes, fvwm _is_ quite nice, and
close enough to Motif (for me anyhow).  What fvwm lacks however, is the Motif
C libraries.  Any program written specifically for Motif won't compile without
them. 

        Motif-based programs will RUN under fvwm however.  I've pulled a few
binaries off of sunsite that are for Motif, and they run without a problem.
However, if there's something you may need to tweak (for instance, those two
wonderful X-based text editors available on sunsite, asedit and nedit), you're
pretty much outta luck.

                                                Jason


--
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Clarkson University               | on sucking till you do succeed.     |
vanpatjm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu  |                     - Curly Howard  |
                                  |                 (The Three Stooges) |
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