Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #567
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sun, 7 Aug 94 10:13:09 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #567, Volume #2                 Sun, 7 Aug 94 10:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  dip with a pulse phone line (Tim D. Bandy)
  Ftape/modules proplem (Art Hutchison)
  Re: Which serial board? (Harald Milz)
  Re: PPP vs. SLIP vs. PLIP (Jeff Smith)
  Re: Database Illustrator (tm) product announcement (Marc Bowden)
  Re: source of TCP/IP (was I hope this wont ignite a major flame ...) (Hannes Deeken)
  GETOPTS problem in BASH (David Huron - Conrad Grebel)
  Re: Preconfigured systems (David Mathias)
  Re: Maryland Users Groups ??? (Donald Becker)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (David Holland)
  Origins of Linux? (Vesa Rantanen)
  Re: source of TCP/IP (was I hope this wont ignite a major flame ...) (Michael L. VanLoon)
  Wine experiences... (jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi)
  Re: List-server Software (Warwick Ward-Cox)
  term: why can't you run it over rlogin (tty) ? (Mihail S. Iotov)
  Re: Easiest Linux to install (Chris Bitmead)
  Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows? (Chris Bitmead)
  Re: Ftape/modules proplem (James Norton)
  Re: Reading LDP files (was Re: InfoMagic order fullfilment...) (Rene COUGNENC)
  Re: Linux fragments easially (Christopher M. May)
  Linux book(s) (Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin))

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From: bandy@paul.cs.umn.edu (Tim D. Bandy)
Subject: dip with a pulse phone line
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 16:20:44 GMT

I just got a new phone line (my modem was begging me to) but I didn't
want to pay the extra $6/mo for tone if I could use pulse.  I didn't
think that there would be any problems.  Well, dip just wants to use
tone when it dials, and it seems that 
send AT DP ###-####
just doesn't work.  So, is there a configuration somewhere for dip that
is set for dial=AT DP?  Perhaps I could recompile it for pulse?  Or, should
I just go ahead and pay the extra $6.00?

-- 
Tim Bandy                                    University of Minnesota
timn8r@mermaid.micro.umn.edu                 bandy@cs.umn.edu
Systems Staff and Proud of it!               GCU h- s-:- g+ p? au0 a- w+ v++
                                             ULS++++ P+ L++ N+ K- !W M-- -po+
--
Tim Bandy                                    University of Minnesota
timn8r@mermaid.micro.umn.edu                 bandy@cs.umn.edu
Systems Staff and Proud of it!               GCU h- s-:- g+ p? au0 a- w+ v++
                                             ULS++++ P+ L++ N+ K- !W M-- -po+

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From: hutch@netaxs.com (Art Hutchison)
Subject: Ftape/modules proplem
Date: 7 Aug 1994 11:47:52 GMT

Kernel 1.1.38
ftape-1.13b.tar.gz
modules-0.1-0.99pl9A.tar.gz

    I recompile the modules under 1.1.38 but when I try insmod hello.o I get
Kernel symbol problem - nksyms <=0 : -1
    Any ideas- of course I can't get ftape to work until this is solved -
When I try insmod ftape.o I get
_init undefined



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From: hm@seneca.ix.de (Harald Milz)
Subject: Re: Which serial board?
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 07:47:10 GMT
Reply-To: hm@seneca.ix.de

Jim Michael (genepool@netcom.com) wrote:
: > Help me decide what serial board to buy. Need at least a 4 port board w/
: > 16550s. Have reference to an STB 4 port for $150, can obtain Boca 4 port
: > locally for $80, and have been offered a Digiboard 8 port board for $350.
: > Will use for terminal(s) and 14.4 modem. Thanks.

The Boca does not supply modem control lines, i.e. DTR, DCD, RI and friends.
AFAIK, there's no driver for the Digiboard, however Digi operates an aFTP
server where they once claimed to hold Linux drivers. 
-- 
Harald Milz (hm@seneca.ix.de)

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From: ind00261@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: PPP vs. SLIP vs. PLIP
Date: 3 Aug 1994 21:34:54 -0400

Adrian Mancini (amancini@bmerh263.bnr.ca) wrote:

: I'm wondering what the pros and contras are of those 4 network protocols,
: assuming that the two computers I like to connect are next to each other.
:  
I only see three...Anyway are you speaking about connecting to a Internet 
provider or connecting computers in a local  network without ethernet?  
At my University I use a PPP connection to put my computer on the net.  
From my understanding, ppp allows correction of packets between your box 
and your provider,  wheras SLIP is corrected at the host.  This taken 
from the NET-2.HOWTO.

I would suggest taking a look at the the howto....It can be found, of 
course, at sunsite.unc.edu /pub/Linux/docs/howto or something similar.




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From: marc@otbbb.demon.co.uk (Marc Bowden)
Subject: Re: Database Illustrator (tm) product announcement
Reply-To: marc@otbbb.demon.co.uk
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 08:29:16 +0000

> Keywords: Database, DBI, ERD, Oracle, Announcement, commercial, advertisment
> Introducing a new product that will assist Linux users by creating
> automatically arranged entity relationship diagrams.
> Database Illustrator(tm) is an easy-to-use documentation tool for Oracle 6
> or Oracle 7 databases. Utilizing information stored in your database, DBI

Does this mean that there's an Oracle that runs under linux!!!??????!?

-- 
A Bientot
Marc

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From: deeken@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Hannes Deeken)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: source of TCP/IP (was I hope this wont ignite a major flame ...)
Date: 7 Aug 1994 14:12:29 +0200

robertsw@agcs.com (Wallace Roberts) writes:

>deeken@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Hannes Deeken) writes:
>>Sure, you can figure out what these number means, if you have
>>the manuals.

>isn't that what i wrote?  "you are expected to have the h/w manuals
>handy."

*sigh* Yes, you wrote that. And I repeated it. So what?


>ok, follow closely; it may get a little deep for you.

Don't think so. But you should try to avoid everything which is
related in any way to *shudder* "Software Engineering". It might blow
your fuses.


>the numbers used in masking usually are cumulative, i.e., each bit has a
>meaning.  do you expect the guy writing the driver to spell out each bit
>for you, then inclusive or them all together so you won't have to hurt
>yourself?

No, what I expect from a programmer is _maintainable_ code. You don't
seem to know what that means. Never worked in a team, right?


>>Ever heard of the '#define' directive available with the C preprocessor?

>ever hear of the "death of a thousand #define's?"  if you #define each
>bit's meaning, then or them all together, things can get unwieldy in a
>hurry:

>       rx_status &= (PWR_BIT | TST_BIT | OH_BIT | HS_BIT | DTR_BIT | RXD_BIT | TXD_BIT | BUTT_BIT);

>ugh.

Yeah, "ugh". Really horrible. Everybody would be able to read that.


>>Attitudes like yours are normally found in old programmers working
>>on IBM mainframes and hacking /370 assembler or JCL.

>sounds like you speak from close personal experience.

Exactly. I've had to deal with attitudes like these in the past.
They are expensive in terms of manpower and time.


>>>"if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch..."
>>
>>Well... maybe you should follow your own advice...

>mere mortal.  you are not worthy to lick the sweat from my balls.

I wonder how old this guy is... 12? 14?


Hannes
-- 
Hans-Christoph Deeken | hannes@flinx.{RoBIN.de,hotb.sub.org} (home)
Paul-Wagner-Str. 58   | deeken@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (university)
64285 Darmstadt       | IRC: Glenlivet

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: dhuron@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (David Huron - Conrad Grebel)
Subject: GETOPTS problem in BASH
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 18:56:58 GMT

We are having trouble getting "getopts" to work under bash. 
It works fine for most things, but will not accept more than 5 arguments.
It seems to interpret the sixth argument as a file, even if it begins with a
dash.  It is very important that we figure out what is wrong and fix it soon.
We have had no such problems with other shells, and it seems to work under
pdksh on Linux, but we would like to use bash.
Any help will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks
David Huron
dhuron@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca

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From: dmath@bluehen.cs.wustl.edu (David Mathias)
Subject: Re: Preconfigured systems
Date: 3 Aug 1994 13:25:41 -0500

In article <1994Aug2.151936.13645@cs.cornell.edu>,
Matt Welsh <mdw@cs.cornell.edu> wrote:
>In article <Ctw5B3.HMt@eskimo.com> fyl@eskimo.com (Phil Hughes) writes:
>>karlf@onramp.net wrote:
>>: Please tell us the two you have found. I am searching for one myself.
>>
>>Fintronic -- +1 415-325-4474
>>PromoX Systems -- +1 408-733-2966
>>SW Technology -- +1 214-907-0871
>
>Avoid SW Technology. For details, see Jonathan Kamens' recent posting
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>about his experiences with them, message ID
>       <pc-hardware-faq/vendor-reviews/swt_775344022@cam.ov.com>



I disagree with this.  I bought a system from SWT nearly 6 months
ago and have been quite happy.  A friend of mine also purchased
from them and is also happy.  Not to suggest that Mr. Kamens was less
than truthful but we only heard (read) one side of that story.
It seems to me that we should be careful about making statements
such as "Avoid company X" unless speaking from personal experience
or very confident that we are in possession of all of the facts.

-- 

David Mathias    Washington University in St Louis   dmath@bluehen.cs.wustl.edu


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From: becker@cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov (Donald Becker)
Subject: Re: Maryland Users Groups ???
Date: 3 Aug 1994 15:36:32 -0400

In article <19940729.125658.365@almaden.ibm.com>,
 <simonofb@wmavm7.VNET.IBM.COM> wrote:
>I have heard thast there is a rather significant users group in
>Maryland (Gaithersburg area).  Could someone send me information
>on it? Thanks!!

This is a little late for today's meeting, but ...

You can be put on the announcement list by sending mail to:

>>All _commands_ to the list server should be sent to:
>>    dc-linux-req@fedix.fie.com
>>The command is on a line by itself - the Subject: is ignored.

________________
From: Mike Vore W3CCV <mvore@fedix.fie.com>
Message-Id: <199408011416.AA11057@fedix.fie.com>
Subject: Meeting Notice - CORRECTED
To: dc-linux@fedix.fie.com

Welcome to the DC Linux Users Group

    The second meeting of the DC Linux User Group.  

    The meeting will take place, on Wednesday, August 3, 1994, 7:00
pm, at the National Institutes of Health's building 12A, room B51 (see
map below).

The agenda will be: 
  - Introduction to X on Linux  (speaker: Przemek Klosowski)
      I will talk about general philosopy of X, hardware requirements,
      setup etc)
  - Linux Networking (speaker: Don Becker)
      The meeting room is equipped with network hookup, so there will
      be live demonstration.

I hope to see you all there!

                        przemek klosowski (przemek@rrdstrad.nist.gov)
                        Reactor Division (bldg. 235), E111
                        National Institute of Standards and Technology
                        Gaithersburg, MD 20899,      USA

                        (301) 975 6249

-- 
Donald Becker                                     becker@cesdis1.gsfc.nasa.gov
USRA Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences.
Code 930.5, Goddard Space Flight Center,  Greenbelt, MD.  20771
301-286-0882         http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/people/becker/whoiam.html

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Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
From: dholland@husc7.harvard.edu (David Holland)
Date: 3 Aug 94 15:09:37


mark@taylor.infi.net's message of Tue, 02 Aug 1994 21:15:05 GMT said:

 > Simply sync before power off, or seek out Veritas File Journaling.
 > (Unixware, for example, does have this, I believe).

One does not need a log-based filesystem to guarantee no data loss on
power failure.

--
   - David A. Holland          | "The right to be heard does not automatically
     dholland@husc.harvard.edu |  include the right to be taken seriously."

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From: Vesa.Rantanen@p1.f319.n221.z2.mfc.fipnet.fi (Vesa Rantanen)
Subject: Origins of Linux?
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 1994 15:44:00

* Some time ago Hannu Krosing wrote:

 HK> There was an interview with Linus Torvalds in Dr. Dobbs journal
 HK> May 1994, p.26.

If anyone has that interview in dataform, please email it to vndr@sci.fi.

 - Vndr

 - Vesa Rantanen - email: vndr@sci.fi - vesa.rantanen@mfc.fipnet.fi -


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From: michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: source of TCP/IP (was I hope this wont ignite a major flame ...)
Date: 4 Aug 94 01:42:41 GMT

In <31pc9l$ctp@oscar.agcs.com> robertsw@agcs.com (Wallace Roberts) writes:

>hpeyerl@sidney.novatel.ca (Herb Peyerl) writes:

>       [ ...snip happens... ]

>>I've tried reading Linux networking code. At least some of the device 
>>drivers and each of the ones I looked at gave me a brain hemorrage...
>>
>>This is an example of some of the Linux device-drivers I've seen:
>>
>>        short error = rx_status & 0x3C00;
>>        outw(inw(ioaddr + 0x0A) | 0x00C0, ioaddr + 0x0A);
>>
>>As far as I can tell; Linux Ethernet device-drivers were written in
>>Write-Only-C.  There are no comments in the surrounding code that in any
>>way indicates exactly what "0x3c00", "0x0a", "0x00c0" actually mean. To
>>people without docs (usually these are the people who are trying to fix
>>the code) the above is completely meaningless.

>if you're writing (or fixing) a device driver, you are expected to have
>the h/w manuals handy.  comments are unnecessary if you have the device
>manual & understand the h/w.  this is the expected level of competence
>for a programmer writing or fixing a device driver.

In other words: real hackers don't need comments, because they can
figure it out from the magic numbers.

Yup, that's a real strong argument.  Sheesh!  Even Microsoft writes
their code better than that... (Yes, I do know.)

-- 
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 Michael L. VanLoon                 Iowa State University Computation Center
    michaelv@iastate.edu                    Project Vincent Systems Staff
  Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free Un*x for PC/Mac/Amiga/etc.
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From: jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi
Crossposted-To: comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine
Subject: Wine experiences...
Date: 7 Aug 94 03:03:15 EET

I just played my first Solitaire in my brand new-installed copy of Wine
940804. The game went fine, including the jumping cards... Just minor
drawing problems with card borders!

The analog clock.exe runs fairly well too, just some problems un-drawing
the pointer when it moves.

Thank you very much, Wine developers! Trying wine out was easy and lots
of fun!
--
Juhani Jaakola, jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: wwar@lostlink.alt.za (Warwick Ward-Cox)
Subject: Re: List-server Software
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 12:40:02 GMT

Ian Munro (ELEQIM@herts.ac.uk) wrote:

: >What list-server software is available for Linux?

: >Please respond via e-mail.

: Me to..
: Thanks 

Why via email I also want to know, please respond here so we can all see 
the answer..

Cheers,
Warwick.
-- 
+-----------------------------------------------------------------+
|  Warwick Ward-Cox               Email   : wwar@lostlink.alt.za  |
|  Sysop of Lost Link             Fidonet : 5:7102/134            |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------+

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From: iotov@cco.caltech.edu (Mihail S. Iotov)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: term: why can't you run it over rlogin (tty) ?
Date: 2 Aug 1994 20:18:00 GMT

I have tried and failed to get it running. Basically what I want is to run
term the following way :
===============
[in window 1 on local}

local% tty
/dev/ttyr10
rlogin remote.machine
remote% term
===============
[in window 2 on local]
local% term < dev/ttyr10 > /dev/ttyr10
================

Characters show in window 1 but the log file says timeouts. I think there
is no principle limitation in term for not working like that it is more 
related to ttys and (probably) ptys. If someone have more expirience please
share it.

Mihail


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From: chrisb@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Chris Bitmead)
Subject: Re: Easiest Linux to install
Date: 4 Aug 1994 11:10:02 +1000

jimispenc@aol.com (JIMI SPENC) writes:

>In article <p2-tmao.tf49665@delphi.com>, tf49665@delphi.com writes:

>Which Linux version is easy to install ?

>You're set up is almost as identical as mine when I first bought my Linux
>software. I orginally purchased the CD-ROM version from Yggdrasil, fall
>'93. I've found that the more I read @Linux I find other information about
>our Linux versions claiming that they're easiest to install. Right now I'm
>looking to upgrade to the SLS version.

Don't you mean down-grade to SLS? Good luck working around the bugs in
SLS.

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From: chrisb@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Chris Bitmead)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps
Subject: Re: WABI vs. SoftWindows?
Date: 4 Aug 1994 11:33:52 +1000

chapman@u.washington.edu (Randy Chapman) writes:

>In article <31o0s3$6ik@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>,
>>>>job control, 
>>
>>>Why on earth is job control essential?
>>
>>How else do you manage a multitasking system?  Under OS/2, clicking
>>both mouse buttons gets me a list of running processes.  Click right
>>button on it and I get a menu of options such as show, close, and so
>>on.  Rather simpler than pissing about with ps, kill, fg, bg and
>>process ids.

>Under fvwm under X, click middle mouse button, choose maximize, resize, destroy
>whatever, click on application on the screen.  Whala!  all done.  Simplest
>interface I've met yet.

Or, if you want to use olvwm, you can bring up a list of running
applications from the root menu, and click on one which will de-iconify it
and bring it to the front. 

>>>So don't use it.
>>
>>Permissions are vital for a Unix user to understand.  You can't ignore them.

>When you're running as root, what do you need to understand besides the
>execute flag, if even that?  That, by pure count, is LESS permissions
>flags than DOS has...

And simpler to explain to a new user. Try explaining to a new user that
executable files can end in .EXE or .COM or .BAT. Easier to just tell them
to look for "x" in the ls -l listing.

>>True, but one of the first things a user will want to do is set a
>>default TERM variable for example.  This is not straightforward.

>Again, this is set up by default with an XDM login.

>>HELP in plain DOS gets you a list of available commands, with hot
>>links to their individual pages.

Last time I used DOS, I saw no such thing. I sure it wouldn't be as good
as xman though. A good default setup for unix would be to have xman
running.

>Which is definitely superior to the standard unix's.  Except that I rarely
>actually get the info I want, but that is another story.
>What if the system gets shipped with 
>alias help 'lynx file://localhost/usr/help/index.html' ??  Not been done yet,
>of course, but that would be just as good.

>>You were lucky to see X first.  In the context of this discussion you
>>are of course right.  Those rich sods that can afford SunOS, NextStep
>>or Motif on their desktops have an easier time than others.

I haven't outlayed any money, for my X machine. And if I wanted Motif,
it's about $100-$150. That's not expensive by any stretch of the
imagination. I could even get a Motif source licence for about $1000 I
think. Try that with MSWindoze.

>fvwm is free as is X (under say Linux).  This is a desktop unix comparison,
>where anyone who tries to introduce a shell-based system IS ASKING FOR TROUBLE!


Chris Bitmead.


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From: jamesnor@clark.net (James Norton)
Subject: Re: Ftape/modules proplem
Date: 7 Aug 1994 13:57:24 GMT

Art Hutchison (hutch@netaxs.com) wrote:
: Kernel 1.1.38
: ftape-1.13b.tar.gz
: modules-0.1-0.99pl9A.tar.gz

:     I recompile the modules under 1.1.38 but when I try insmod hello.o I get
: Kernel symbol problem - nksyms <=0 : -1
:     Any ideas- of course I can't get ftape to work until this is solved -
: When I try insmod ftape.o I get
: _init undefined


You are using an old version of modules.  The current file is 
modules.tar.gz.  This may help.  

Jim Norton
jamesnor@clark.net

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From: rene@renux.frmug.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC)
Subject: Re: Reading LDP files (was Re: InfoMagic order fullfilment...)
Date: 7 Aug 1994 04:17:25 GMT
Reply-To: cougnenc@blaise.ibp.fr (Rene COUGNENC)

Ce brave Tim Smith ecrit:

> Speaking of LDP files, permit me to ask a perhaps stupid question.  What
> is a good way to read them?  I dislike reading dvi files with xdvi.  Is
> there some way to get nice readable ASCII?  (e.g., what is X in the
> following: "X is to Tex/Latex as nroff is to troff"?)

The best way to read and use the books is to print them.
You can also nicely print the HOWTO's,  but the HTML version, with
Chimera or Mosaic, is really useful for that kind of document.

About printing the books, and before someone hits the (f)ollowup key,
I'll say that last week, I have been able to print 100+ PostScript
pages on my 9-pin printer (Citizen 120-D). It just took 2 days :-))
So everyone can print the Linux books without a laser printer :-)
--
 linux linux linux linux -[ cougnenc@renux.frmug.fr.net ]- linux linux linux 

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From: cmay@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Christopher M. May)
Subject: Re: Linux fragments easially
Date: 4 Aug 1994 03:11:17 GMT

Nick Kralevich (nickkral@po.EECS.Berkeley.EDU) wrote:

: I can't figure out why I have such a fragmented file

Me neither, here are my stats:

summary:
   1% file fragmentation (296 of 19019 files contain fragments)
  51% block fragmentation (303806 of 584812 blocks are in fragments)
   0% overall fragmentation (870 fragments out of 584812 blocks)
 Average inter-fragment gap length = 7275
sinbad:~# df
Filesystem         1024-blocks  Used Available Capacity Mounted on
/dev/hda2              22890   13910     7836     64%   /
/dev/hd1a1            207935  140985    56554     71%   /user2
/dev/sda2             222208  181555    29543     86%   /usr
/dev/hda1             184164  120636    63528     66%   /dosc
/dev/hdb1              78259   66097     8250     89%   /root/stuff
/dev/sdb1             319487  171668   131845     57%   /user1
/dev/sdc1              81919   45649    32175     59%   /user3

Of course, I ran defrag on all partitions.

--

-Chris May, Computer Science, University of MA, Amherst
-       Technical Assistant, P.C. Maintenance Lab


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From: michaelb@hobbie.bocaraton.ibm.com (Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin))
Subject: Linux book(s)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 1994 20:43:35 GMT

[I'm not quite a Linux user myself yet, but I want to post this anyway :) ]

I recently got the latest Springer-Verlag catalog (S-V is a large publisher
of science books, including computer science).  In it they list a new
book that is to be published soon (if not already):

Linux- from PC to Workstation  by Thomas Uhl and Stefan Strobel
(238P, softcover, $39 tentitive, ISBN 0-387-58077-8)

I thought it suprising that a fairly major CS publisher is already putting
out a book on Linux.  According to the blurp, the book coveres the
concepts and features of Linux, the features and services of the Internet
that made possible the rapid development and distribution of Linux, and an
overview of the wide range of apps available for it.

Has anyone seen it?

Also, I have noticed from various post that some 'packagers' of Linux have
been printing up volumes from the Linux Documentation Project and either
selling them separetly, or as part of their distributions.  (ex: Linux 
Encyclopedia)  With the variety of names of some of these books (depite them
covering the same material), it would be nice if someone could collect a
listing of them all, giving stats like price, what they include, and who
is publishing them.

Any takers?  (be nice addition to the FAQ/INFO-SHEETS)


--
==========All Opinions Expressed are MINE, not IBM's==============
Michael Rogero Brown       (*IX System Administrator)  
IBM (uK Development)         TEL/TIE   (407) 443-6400   
Boca Raton, FL               Internet:  mikal@bocaraton.ibm.com

If you think I speak for IBM, then I've got some swamp land^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H
real estate to sell you.

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