Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #397
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Thu, 7 Jul 94 22:13:37 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #397, Volume #2                 Thu, 7 Jul 94 22:13:37 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Where are kernel patches announced? (Doctor Padds)
  Re: Idea for supporting a lot of SCSI and other controllers (Tim Smith)
  CD-Rom for Silicon Graphics? (Louis P. Kruger)
  Re: commercial programms (Larry Doolittle)
  Slackware Pro 2.0 CD-ROM (Randy Just)
  Installing OS/2 *AFTER* Linux (Jim Trocki)
  Need help on screen saver (Albert Edwin Alexander)
  Re: Need help building ultimate Linux system (Jim Sun)
  3D-Linux-Package (Ben-Lumumba Kheir)
  3D-Linux-Package (Ben-Lumumba Kheir)
  Re: Info on Linux CD Vendors? (Erik Troan)
  Re: SLIP sessions HANGING (gelinas@omicron.cmr.ca)
  Re: DPT SCSI controller support??? (Drew Eckhardt)
  Re: commercial programms (Erik Troan)
  Re: [term] Boo-hoo! (Eric J. Schwertfeger)
  Re: LJ #3? (Seo Hongwon)
  Re: GIF viewer experience (Rusty Trainham)
  Re: Heated debate(?) on OS/2 and Linux programming. (Bill Poitras)

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From: padds@scorpion.bsa.co.uk (Doctor Padds)
Subject: Re: Where are kernel patches announced?
Date: 7 Jul 94 13:24:35 GMT

Mark H. Wood (imhw400@indyvax.iupui.edu) wrote:
: Hmmm, apparently when kernel patches are issued, there's no announcement on
: c.o.l.a.  Where *are* they announced?
: -- 
: Mark H. Wood, Lead Systems Programmer    +1 317 274 0749   [@disclaimer@]
: Internet:  MWOOD@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU       BITNET:  MWOOD@INDYVAX
: "It's *better* than good -- it's CHEAP!" - Cosmo Spacely

On ftp.funet.fi:/pub/OS/Linux/PEOPLE/Linux/v1.1

There is a text file there with the name of the latest version of the kernel.

This is where all of the patches by Linus are kept.

-Padds
-- 

         Doctor Padds actually uses the name : Jonathan O'Connor
                    M.D. of B.S.A. Ltd CD Developers.
              padds@bsa.co.uk & padds@cix.compulink.co.uk

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From: tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Idea for supporting a lot of SCSI and other controllers
Date: 7 Jul 1994 01:18:35 GMT

In article <CsJCoH.60H@pe1chl.ampr.org>, Rob Janssen <pe1chl@rabo.nl> wrote:
>Of course one tricky aspect of loadable device drivers for things like
>SCSI is: how do you get the system booted.  It would not be nice to have
...
>the driver at some known location or use a map like LILO does.  maybe it
>is better to link it to the kernel image as a block of data)

That's the approach I was imagining.  Just include the drivers you need
at boot time as large arrays of data, and modify the loadable driver
code to be able to take that as a source.

What would also be nice would be to allow loading the drivers from a
floppy.  That would be great for installation--get your Linux CD-ROM
in one hand, and your floppy with Netware drivers for your disk controller
in the other, and you're ready to install.

--Tim Smith

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sgi.misc
From: lpkruger@tucson.Princeton.EDU (Louis P. Kruger)
Subject: CD-Rom for Silicon Graphics?
Reply-To: lpkruger@tucson.Princeton.EDU (Louis P. Kruger)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 03:50:30 GMT

I have a CD-Rom with a lot of OpenGL source code on it designed for
an SGI machine.  The problem is, I don't have an SGI, and I can't
figure out what filesystem it is.  It doesn't seem to be iso9960,
since I get the following error message while mounting:

marathon:root:/# mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd0 /mnt
Disc change detected.
CD-ROM I/O error: dev 0b00, sector 64
isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev 0xb00 iso_blknum 16
mount: wrong fs type, /dev/scd0 already mounted, /mnt busy, or other error

Linux has no trouble reading the raw device /dev/scd0 however.  Is there 
any way I can mount this CD?  Thanks!

        - Louis

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From: doolitt@myhost.subdomain.domain (Larry Doolittle)
Subject: Re: commercial programms
Reply-To: doolittle@cebaf.gov
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 16:09:33 GMT

Warner Losh (imp@boulder.parcplace.com) wrote:
: In article <2vbng7$qhs@news.u.washington.edu> tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
: >Kai Petzke <wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de> wrote:
: >>c) Because Linux is ever-changing.
: >>   Commercial software developers don't like the idea to having to
: >>   update their programs, because the operating system changed.
: >>   Also, they fear, that support will be complicated with all the
: >>   versions of linux around.
: >I'd guess that c) is a big reason.  Commercial vendors hate it when a
: >customer calls up and says "your software breaks on the latest system"
: >and they ask "what system are you running" and the customer gives them
: >a number that's two or three releases past the one the vendor updated
: >to just last week!

: Tim hit the nail right on the head.  Linux can't keep a binary
: compatible environment for over about 6 months.  It isn't all Linux's
: fault, mind you, ...

I don't know what we are doing differently.  I have had nearly zero
problems keeping my binaries working as the OS and libraries change.
Mind you, programs like route and ifconfig change along with the
kernel, I can accept that.  "Simple" things like TeX, vi, games,
window managers, and things *I* program and compile have no trouble.
Maybe the things I write are changing faster than the kernel could
break them? ;-)

                - Larry Doolittle   doolittle@cebaf.gov

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From: rjust@crl.com (Randy Just)
Subject: Slackware Pro 2.0 CD-ROM
Date: 7 Jul 1994 07:45:36 -0700



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as to which distribution to purchase.

Happy Linuxing!!!


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From: trockij@Cyanamid.COM (Jim Trocki)
Subject: Installing OS/2 *AFTER* Linux
Reply-To: trockij@Cyanamid.COM
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 19:13:46 GMT


   I have Linux installed on my second 340 meg IDE drive, with
a 15 meg swap/page partition on my first 250 meg drive. The
rest of the 250 meg drive has DOS and Windows on it, which I
can choose to boot using LILO.

  I am backing up files from my DOS partition while in Linux onto
my Linux partition so that I may install OS/2 on what used
to be the DOS partition. (*phew*)

  I looked at the Linux FAQ, and it gives instructions on how to
install Linux on to a system that ALREADY has OS/2 on it. I want
to do the reverse--install OS/2 on to a system that already has
Linux on it. If this is possible (I haven't hacked at it yet :) I would
THEN like to copy my previously backed-up DOS stuff back on
to the new OS/2 HPFS partition.

  Can I do this and how?


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From: aea5752@cacs.usl.edu (Albert Edwin Alexander)
Subject: Need help on screen saver
Date: 7 Jul 1994 01:54:00 GMT
Reply-To: aea5752@marsh.cacs.usl.edu

Whenever I leave my system up and the screen saver kicks in, it insists on
turning the screen totally white.  Now I can select a variety of screen savers
from the OpenWindows (XView) menu; however, I don't know where to set the
default screen saver to one of these or just to a black screen.  Naturally, I
can't leave my system on like this unless I start guesstimating how long I
intend to be away from the system.

I submitted this to the newsgroup last week, and then promptly left town for
the July 4th vacation.  When I returned, a good bit (40%) of the traffic I
missed had expired and been wiped off my news server.  So, apologies to anyone
who has read this twice now.

Thanks,
Edwin

--
Albert Edwin Alexander                  edwin@usl.edu
Center for Advanced Computer Studies    aea5752@marsh.cacs.usl.edu
University of Southwestern Louisiana

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From: jsun@ceci.mit.EDU (Jim Sun)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: Need help building ultimate Linux system
Date: 7 Jul 1994 23:02:14 GMT

>- SCSI host adapter. Which is best? PCI, VLB, or ISA?

vlb may not be one of your options because vesa localbus (version1,32bit) is 
a 486 processor-specific bus.  i haven't seen any pentium motherboard with
vlb yet.

jim

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From: ben@cc.univie.ac.at (Ben-Lumumba Kheir)
Subject: 3D-Linux-Package
Date: 7 Jul 1994 18:03:39 GMT






Hallo,
J'm interresting to find any 3D software for Linux 1.0.
Please. if you know something about it, e-mail:ben@wsks.cc.univie.ac.at

Best regards,
Ben Lumumba Kheir
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From: ben@cc.univie.ac.at (Ben-Lumumba Kheir)
Subject: 3D-Linux-Package
Date: 7 Jul 1994 18:04:48 GMT






Hallo,
J'm interresting to find any 3D software for Linux 1.0.
Please. if you know something about it, e-mail:ben@wsks.cc.univie.ac.at

Best regards,
Ben Lumumba Kheir
--
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@ Internet:ben@wsks.cc.univie.ac.at                                            @
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From: ewt@merengue.unc.edu (Erik Troan)
Subject: Re: Info on Linux CD Vendors?
Date: 7 Jul 1994 16:56:15 GMT

In article <CsKsp6.Lr4@world.std.com>,
George Conard <gconard@world.std.com> wrote:
>
>Can someone point me toward a few vendors who sell Linux  distributions
>on CD-ROM? Info on the which distributions are better would also be
>very helpful! Thanks!
>

Did you look anywhere before you posted this? Try sunsite.unc.edu
/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/Distribution-HOWTO.

Erik

-- 
===========================================================================
"I'm not like that -- except when I am"   ewt@sunsite.unc.edu  = Erik Troan
                                          sasewt@unx.sas.com
    - Nora from "Pump up the Volume"      gr-ewt@druid.csc.ncsu.edu

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From: gelinas@omicron.cmr.ca
Subject: Re: SLIP sessions HANGING
Date: 7 Jul 1994 20:24:52 -0400
Reply-To: gelinas@cmr.ca

After losing the battle with dip-3.3.7b, linux 1.2.4 and slackware 2.0.0,

slattach worked, for a simple static slip link. Here is how!


====================================================snip snip ========
#  slip - connect to a SLIP server using slattach (try this at home)
#
#  J. Gelinas, 6 juillet 1994, gelinas@cmr.ca
#
server=234.56.78.1
client=234.56.78.20

# remnant of an anti-dip battle
stty start undef stop undef -ixon -ixoff

# Use good old Kermit to put the modem into no xon/xoff, no MNP mode,
# dial the Gandalf PACX, and give the password at the SERVICE? prompt.
kermit <<\timrek
set dial mnp off
set dial init AT&Q0&U0&K0\13
dial 9994555
script ~w60SERVICE GOGOGO\13
quit
timrek

slattach -p slip -s 9600 /dev/modem &

ifconfig sl0 $client pointopoint $server netmask 255.255.255.0
route add $server
route add -net default gw $server metric 1

# stty -all </dev/modem
# ifconfig
# route
# echo "Bye Bye Kermit. Hello telnet and ftp, gopher and Lynx."
===================================================snip snip ========

===================================================snip snip ========
#  unslip - disconnect a SLIP client using slattach
#
#  J. Gelinas, 6 juillet 1994, gelinas@cmr.ca 
#
ifconfig sl0 down
killall -15 slattach
# slattach   -k   option needed!
echo 'shutdown  /dev/modem'
====================================================snip snip ========





The problem with dip is that CTRL-Q and CTRL-S are eaten and nothing will
prevent this, is seems. Telnet/ftp sessions thus hang. This does not
happen with slattach, which permits an easier control of the modem,
in particular disabling the MNP protocol.

=====================================================================
% dip <<\noway
  ..................
  send ATZ0\r
  sleep 2
  init ATZ0&K0&U0&Q0
  dial 999-4555
  ..................
noway

% ping -c 1 server
64 bytes from 234.56.78.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=100 time=448.3 ms
wrong data byte #17 should be 0x11 but was 0x12
        38 3 1c 2e a7 3d a 0 8 9 a b c d e f 10 12 14 15
        16 17 18 19 1a 1b 1c 1d 1e 1f 20 21 
        22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 2a 2b 2c 2d 2e 2f 30 31 

% ping -c 1 -p 141511  router
PATTERN: 0x141511
wrong data byte #10 should be 0x11 but was 0x14
        55 3 1c 2e 8e be 2 0 14 15 14 15 14 15 14 15 14 15
        14 15 14 15 14 15 14 15 14 15 14 15 14 15 
        14 15 14 15 14 15 14 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 
===================================================================



-- 
Jacques Ge'linas, Ph.D., Maths,           INTERNET: gelinas@cmr.ca
Colle`ge Militaire Royal de Saint-Jean,
Que'bec, Canada, J0J 1R0.

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From: drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: DPT SCSI controller support???
Date: 7 Jul 1994 18:07:06 GMT

In article <CsKHsC.C6z@csd.cri.dk>, John Mills <jmi@csd.cri.dk> wrote:
>Is there any support for the  DPT Smartcache III SCSI controller?
>or is anyone working on it?

ALPHA drivers are available from tsx-11.mit.edu, under /pub/linux/ALPHA/scsi

-- 
Drew Eckhardt drew@Colorado.EDU
1970 Landcruiser FJ40 w/350 Chevy power
1982 Yamaha XV920J Virago

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From: ewt@merengue.unc.edu (Erik Troan)
Subject: Re: commercial programms
Date: 7 Jul 1994 17:05:33 GMT

In article <CsKvJy.Iu9@murdoch.acc.virginia.edu>,
Larry Doolittle <doolittle@cebaf.gov> wrote:
>Warner Losh (imp@boulder.parcplace.com) wrote:
>
>: Tim hit the nail right on the head.  Linux can't keep a binary
>: compatible environment for over about 6 months.  It isn't all Linux's
>: fault, mind you, ...
>
>I don't know what we are doing differently.  I have had nearly zero
>problems keeping my binaries working as the OS and libraries change.
>Mind you, programs like route and ifconfig change along with the
>kernel, I can accept that.  "Simple" things like TeX, vi, games,
>window managers, and things *I* program and compile have no trouble.
>Maybe the things I write are changing faster than the kernel could
>break them? ;-)

The difference is TeX, vi, games, window managers, etc. are in C, not
C++. GCC changes it's representation of member functions between
2.4.5 and 2.5.x. This meant that C++ things compiled with 2.5.8 couldn't
be linked with C++ shared libraries compiled with 2.4.5.

That's bad, but there's nothing that we could do about it and I'm sure
FSF had good reasons for there change. The mistake that the Linux
community made was picking up 2.5.8 as the "official" compiler. It has
a lot of bugs in it, especially in its C++ support. It can't compile
OI or Fresco. 

So, Warner is trying to support the OI shared libraries that can't be
compiled anymore (because GCC 2.5.8 is broken) nor properly linked
with things compiled with 2.5.8 (because the member function representation
changed between 2.4.5 and 2.5.8). 

The BSD folks never upgraded to 2.4.5 for these reasons. As a result they've
gotten new versions of the OI libraries from Warner, while the Linux
world hasn't. 

Hopefully, things will get better with GCC 2.6, but who knows when that
will arrive.

Erik
-- 
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"I'm not like that -- except when I am"   ewt@sunsite.unc.edu  = Erik Troan
                                          sasewt@unx.sas.com
    - Nora from "Pump up the Volume"      gr-ewt@druid.csc.ncsu.edu

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From: eric@pandora.Las-Vegas.NV.US (Eric J. Schwertfeger)
Subject: Re: [term] Boo-hoo!
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 04:22:34 GMT

Cyrill Vatomsky (cyrillv@netcom.com) wrote:
: Bill Hogan (bhogan@crl.com) wrote:

: :   Meanwhile, someone has suggested to me that the limiting resource in my
: : case might be the global total number of pty's that is *compiled into* the
: : Unix kernel on my internet-access provider's computer. 

: I am not sure about it. It is true that sometimes I just can not open
: a second xterm with trsh to my internet provider. I guess that might
: happen when there are no pttys left. But I never fail to open another
: Mosaic, ncftp, xgopher or termtelnet window. and none of those processes
: will show up when running ps on the remote host.

Correct, as they don't use pty's.  pty's are only needed to open a shell
(via trsh).

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From: mimi@mimine.kaist.ac.kr (Seo Hongwon)
Subject: Re: LJ #3?
Date: 7 Jul 1994 07:04:51 GMT

Joseph W. Vigneau (joev@garden.WPI.EDU) wrote:
: Noticing the mention of the Linux Journal #4 in c.o.l.a., I was
: wondering, when was #3 mailed?  I haven't received mine yet...

me too.. 
Did anyone receive #3 ??

: -- 
: joev@wpi.edu, joev@hotblack.schunix.dmc.com     WPI Computer Science     Linux!
:     <a href="http://www.wpi.edu:8080/~joev"> Click Here! </a>

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From: trainham@penduick.saclay.cea.fr (Rusty Trainham)
Subject: Re: GIF viewer experience
Date: 7 Jul 1994 15:02:50 GMT

Mitchum DSouza (m.dsouza@mrc-apu.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
: | Any other non-X folks have any experience with a GIF viewer
: | that runs under you-know-what?
: | 
: | I looked thru the usual archives and say nothing. If I missed
: | it, speak up.....

: Try sunsite.unc.edu /pub/Linux/apps/graphics/viewers. Nice ones are zgv, and
: spic (IMHO)

: Mitch

I will second zgv, and prefer it over spic.

Rusty Trainham


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Heated debate(?) on OS/2 and Linux programming.
From: bill@msi.com (Bill Poitras)
Date: 7 Jul 94 11:14:08 EST
Reply-To: bill@msi.com

Louis-D. Dubeau (hallu@jacquard.info.polymtl.ca) wrote:
: That's why many peoples call emacs an OS!!! Seriously, calling him a
: `twat' will get you nowhere. I'm also an emacs addict and I can tell you
: that although it may seems weird using emacs for gopher, archie,
: usenet and e-mail is often better than using `stand alone'
: programs. For one thing, cutting and pasting between e-mail, articles
: and other files is a trivial operation in emacs. Every other text
: based mail readers I have used don't support cut and paste as a
: trivial operation. In most cases, you have to call an external editor
: to do the trick. And that's only one advantage of using emacs.

I don't know why the EPM advocate (the guy you replied to) is bashing 
running e-mail inside of Emacs.  EPM supports this too.  I believe LaMail 
uses EPM.

: I don't know about him but *I* tried... and abandoned. I couldn't find
: any decent documentation on the language. OTOH, if you look at elisp,
: it comes with *complete* documentation. It took me one week approx to
: be able to start seriously programming in elisp. BTW, I tried to
: program in `e' and get the most out of EPM before I tried to learn
: elisp and get the most out of emacs. The interesting thing is that I
: own legal copies of OS/2 2.0 and 2.1 and finally decided to erase it
: from my HD. I still think it is much better than Windogs or MS-DOG.

EPM as it ships with OS/2 isn't very good for anything but running it.  
To program it you have to get the "other stuff".  It comes with the 
compiler for compiling E macros (without it, you are stuck writing your 
macros in REXX) as well as documentation.  If you are interested (I don't 
think you will be) I can give you pointers to where you can find this 
stuff.

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