Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #386
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Date:     Wed, 6 Jul 94 15:13:14 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #386, Volume #2                 Wed, 6 Jul 94 15:13:14 EDT

Contents:
  Re: MIDI Sequencer? (Marek Ponarski)
  What can you put on a single Linux boot floppy? (Greg Alt)
  Re: Idea for supporting a lot of SCSI and other controllers (Alan Cox)
  Re: why won't old socket connections disappear? (Alan Cox)
  Re: Net2/Net3, different kernels (Jake Colman)
  Re: How do I end a dip/ SLIP session (Colin Frank)
  AMD 486 66mhz CPU w/ Linux? (P. Marshall Herington)
  Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2) (Guido Sohne)
  Re: AMD 486 66mhz CPU w/ Linux? (Robert Ashcroft)
  severe sound problem (Alexander Heckel)
  Re: e@mail of LinuX CDROM publisher wanted (Jens Hoffmann)
  KSH fixed (was Re: KSH is REALLY BROKEN in Slackware!) (Bob Kupiec)
  Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2) (Matthew Dillon)

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From: mponarsk@trincoll.edu (Marek Ponarski)
Subject: Re: MIDI Sequencer?
Date: 6 Jul 1994 15:00:56 GMT


 
I'm interested in this too,


--Jacek

Daniel Garcia (kender@spawn.erinet.com) wrote:
: Hello alls - 

: I was wondering if anyone out there has writen, or knows of a midi sequencer
: for linux?  I searched the LSM for both midi and sequencer, and didn't
: get to much that looked promising.  Thanks in advance for any thing you can
: offer!


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From: galt@asylum.cs.utah.edu (Greg Alt)
Subject: What can you put on a single Linux boot floppy?
Date: 6 Jul 1994 01:47:33 GMT

This thread has got me thinking...  I'd really like to be able to have
just one floppy that can show off at least some of Linux.  What can you
fit onto just one disk?  First, you can cheat a tiny bit and use the
kernel patches that allow 1.6 Megs on a 3.5 inch disk, then you can 
specifically rebuild all of the applications to use the smallest binary
format.  You can also replace a few commands with small shell scripts.
You'd want to build the kernel with as few drivers as possible, also.
You'd probably want to compress everything and load it onto a RAM disk
at boot time.

How about some kind of contest for the most useful or most elegant
boot floppy?

If there is interest, I'd be willing to chip in a couple bucks to
help buy a Linux T-shirt for the winner.

What do you think?

Greg
-- 
"Zen fascists will control you.  100% natural.  You will jog for the 
master race... and always wear the happy face" - Jello

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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Idea for supporting a lot of SCSI and other controllers
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 15:23:32 GMT

In article <2vd2nc$ftl@news.u.washington.edu> tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>In article <CsGJy7.342@pe1chl.ampr.org>, Rob Janssen <pe1chl@rabo.nl> wrote:
>>Hmmm... the SPEC for ODI is freely available.  Only you will have a hard
>>time constructing a driver with only this spec.
>
>Ack!  I'm behind on my acronyms.  What is ODI?

'Open' Data Link interface, only about $3000 a copy for the spec + development
kit. Paah!

Alan


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: why won't old socket connections disappear?
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 15:26:59 GMT

In article <2vdp3g$se3@phakt.usc.edu> wiegley@phakt.usc.edu (Wigs) writes:
>Am I missing something about how to close down internet socket connections
>gracefully? or am I doing something else entirely wrong.

Basically a socket has to exist for a period of time in TIME_WAIT state
before it quits forever to ensure frames of data for it do not arrive
after that socket has been re-opened and re-used. This is why the TCP
protocol has a 2 minute round trip time limit and a 2 minute delay in the 
closedown phase.

Alan


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From: jcolman@lehman.com (Jake Colman)
Subject: Re: Net2/Net3, different kernels
Reply-To: jcolman@lehman.com
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 13:27:00 GMT

>>> NET2E... used by FvK's Linux/PRO sold by Aris

Does this mean that there are now two different, incompatible versions of Linux,
based on diverging kernels, yet using the same name?  Or does the "PRO" designation
intend to show that Aris's version is "better" than our version?



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From: cfrank@sybase.com (Colin Frank)
Subject: Re: How do I end a dip/ SLIP session
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 01:36:11 GMT

In article <terryd.773225680@extro> terryd@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Terry Dawson) writes:
>aevans@kaiwan.com (Alan B. Evans) writes:
>
>>      dip -k
>
Cool.

>required you to 'kill -9 <pid>' them.
                      ^^^^
I would leave out the -9.  This gives dip a chance to cleanup and attempt
to hangup the modem before exiting.

Colin...


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From: gt0804b@prism.gatech.edu (P. Marshall Herington)
Subject: AMD 486 66mhz CPU w/ Linux?
Date: 6 Jul 1994 12:04:10 -0400

Please forgive me if this FAQ food, but does anyone know or have any
experiance with Linux and the AMD 486 DX2 66mhz CPU?  I am considering
upgrading my motherboard to this CPU, and I want to be sure I can
still use Linux with it.  At less than $300 U.S., it seem like a good
way to up the performance of my machine, with out the $600 + for the
same Intel part.

Thanks,
 Marshall Herington
-- 
Peter Marshall Herington  # "Sometimes you're the winshield,
gt0804b@acme.gatech.edu   #  Sometimes you're the bug."
                          #  -Dire Straits, 1991
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: wgsohne@spot.Princeton.EDU (Guido Sohne)
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 18:28:36 GMT

In article <1994Jul5.100147.21718@nessie.mcc.ac.uk>,
Paul Floyd <mbhpfpj@meehpd.ee.man.ac.uk> wrote:
>In article <1994Jun30.145246.1196@Princeton.EDU>, wgsohne@tucson.Princeton.EDU (Guido Sohne) writes:
>[much deleted]
>
>One point: do any of the Linux C++ compilers come with an equivalent to WorkFrame 2.1
>and extensive examples and full online documentation (the equivalent of several
>thousand pages of manuals, all in hypertext) and with class libraries (esp
>the equivalent of the C Set ++ UICL)? With all of that, there's no surprise that
>a full C Set ++ installation exceeds 60Mbytes. But the compiler itself is only
>a few Mbytes.
>

That's another cool thing about Linux and the string-a-set-of-commands
mentality. The manual for all commands and all function calls for the
system libraries and add ins is available. The manual is initially stored
in compressed source form and each time you refer to a call or command you
never referred to before it gets processed and converted into text and
stored for future reference.

You can use grep find etc to search the manual pages for what you want. Not
as intuitive as the GUI but a hell of a lot more powerful and configurable.
Also with the command line compilers, all you need is to use your favorite
editor. Emacs needs a few keystrokes and it will make your project for you
taking you from error to error in the compilation to the corresponding
source line.

Emacs is self documenting as well. So not only is the help system more
powerful, and more useful when you need to do heavy duty research into the
documentation but it is far less since none of the superflous "What does
Compile/Options/Code/386 only do ?" type documentation exists.

GNU C++ comes with its own class libraries. If you need class libraries for
X there's a plethora of them out there for you to choose. As before, the
strength of Unix comes out in its letting you pick and choose, mix and
match to your needs and specifications rather than have to settle with a
predetermined set of features that may or may not suit your needs.


>> >that Linux has.  Emacs is there because OS/2 also comes with a configurable
>> >editor, EPM.  I am just including the Linux equivalents of what comes with the
>> >full OS/2 distribution.  If you say X is an addon app, I can say Presentation
>> >Manager and WPS is an addon.  Bingo - instantly down to a couple of disks.
>> >How many times do I have to say this? Presentation Manager is not OS/2!
>> 
>> I am also just including the OS/2 equivalents of what comes with the Linux
>> distribution. And also please compare apple to apples. You just can't
>> compare Emacs to EPM. It's like comparing a Ferrari to a Hyundai.
>
>EPM is certainly prettier and easier to use than Emacs. EPM32 will hopefully
>be even better (haven't tried the beta). I can't comment on the power
>of the programming languages since I don't know about Emacs programming.
>But I'd guess they are equivalent.
>

Oh by no means not. Emacs is the definitive programmable editor. It can do
almost anything in the world! Ask any Emacs advocate (I like VI myself).
Even if, in a wild dream, they were equivalent, Emacs has so many more
addins written for it that it would open up a can of whupass and force feed
it to EPM.

You can, if you like Emacs that much, set it to be your login shell and
would probably never have to leave it to do anything. Compiling, debugging,
playing Tower of Hanoi or Blackjack, FTPing stuff, Gopher, Archie, Reading
Usenet and many more things can be done in Emacs.

So take your EPM and shove it.

>[munch]
>> Guido
>
>-- 
>Paul Floyd, Information Storage Research Group, Dept. of Electrical Engineering,
>University of Manchester, Dover St., Manchester, M13 9PL, UK. FAX 061 275 4512
>mbhpfpj@hpc.ee.man.ac.uk              You know the shit has truly hit the fan
>Hwyl fawr i bob un.   Think pos/2ive.  when you start calling it a sewage pump.

--
Guido


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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: AMD 486 66mhz CPU w/ Linux?
Date: 6 Jul 1994 16:52:23 GMT

In article <2veklq$m@acmex.gatech.edu>,
P. Marshall Herington <gt0804b@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>Please forgive me if this FAQ food, but does anyone know or have any
>experiance with Linux and the AMD 486 DX2 66mhz CPU?  I am considering
>upgrading my motherboard to this CPU, and I want to be sure I can
>still use Linux with it.  At less than $300 U.S., it seem like a good
>way to up the performance of my machine, with out the $600 + for the
>same Intel part.

The AMD works no problem, I use it.

On the other hand if you are paying 600 for a Intel 486/66 then you
are getting ripped off.  I've seen them around here for less than $300,
I think.

RNA

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From: CHSTUD11@nyx.uni-konstanz.de (Alexander Heckel)
Subject: severe sound problem
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 94 07:46:50 MEZ

I am trying to get my GUS working with my LinuX 1.1.22. cat test.au >/dev/audio
and everything else works just fine but as far as I have read you should be
able to record sound just by using cat /dev/audio >test.au. But this is where
my problem starts: Whenever I create a test.au file by catting from /dev/audio
this file looks very much the save as any other soundfile but when I play it
you can hear absolutely nothing. After a lot of reading and asking and
and juggling around with irqs and dmas I run out of ideas about what to do.
Maybe somebody out there can help me.

CU,
  Alex

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From: jens@sunny.metaworks.de (Jens Hoffmann)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin,de.comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: e@mail of LinuX CDROM publisher wanted
Date: 6 Jul 1994 18:38:17 +0200

>InfoMagic: orders@Infomagic.com
>Internet Order E-Mail:  sales@justcomp.com
>        Email: alte@rahul.net

in Germany there is for example Suse.
I don't know if they have an info-Address, but their MX is on gauss.suse.de.
The postmaster might help you.

cu,
   Jens
-- 
Jens Hoffmann                                        jens@metaworks.de
MetaWorks Gesellschaft fuer elektronische und audiovisuelle Medien mbH
Schlossstrasse 31, D-56068 Koblenz    +49-261-37773 fax: +49-261-37775

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: kupiec@tigger.jvnc.net (Bob Kupiec)
Subject: KSH fixed (was Re: KSH is REALLY BROKEN in Slackware!)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 16:27:50 GMT

In <2vbsk7$nig@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, D.G.Jones@scuna.dircon.co.uk writes:
>|I've found a rather obvious bug in ksh in Slackware 1.2.  The version
>|is "KSH_VERSION=@(#)PD KSH v4.9 93/09/29".
>
>I've reported this before to no avail. Any new info?
>
>|$ ls bin tmp >> outfile
>|$ od -c outfile
>|0000000  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0
>|*
>|0001140  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0   b   i   n   :  \n  \n
>|0001160   t   m   p   :  \n
>|0001165
>
>When I last asked I was told to abandon the PD Korn Shell. This I don't
>want to do. Does anyone have any further insight now?

And neither will I!

It seems to work just from the re-building the source.  If anybody wants
to pick up a binary copy, it's on ftp.jvnc.net in /priv/kupiec/pdksh.

Bob

-- 
Bob Kupiec  (HAM: N3MML) Phone: 609-897-7319             JvNC (GES, Inc.)
Network Operations            & 800-35-TIGER x7319      3 Independence Way
Email: kupiec@jvnc.net    Fax : 609-897-7310            Princeton, NJ 08540

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From: dillon@apollo.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2)
Date: 6 Jul 1994 09:38:34 -0700

In article <ajross.773071531@husc10.harvard.edu> ajross@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrew) writes:
:wgsohne@tucson.Princeton.EDU (Guido Sohne) writes:
:
:>That's where you are wrong. A single Linux disk can be used to transform
:>*any* networked (Ethernet) PC into a system running a complete GUI and
:>having full internet access. OS/2 just can't do this.
:
:>--
:>Guido
:
:Alright Guido, this keeps getting better; we're up to a 'complete GUI'
:and 'full internet access' now?  Prove it.
:
:One disk: should be easy enough to put together.  Post an image.
:
:Seriously, put your kernel where your mouth is and show us all how a
:fully functional Linux system can be installed from a single 1.44MB
:floppy.  I, for one, do not believe you.  Granted, I've never really
:tried, but _every_ distribution I've checked comes on two disks at
:least -- boot and root, and those are just enough to get a shell up to
:run the install script along with drivers for whatever devices you are
:installing from/to.  No X, no TCP/IP beyond a basic NFS system.
:...
:Andy Ross
:ajross@husc.harvard.edu

    I have a boot+root floppy, here is an ls -R:

    This isn't enough for you to recreate it, but it shows the basic layout.
    The kernel is configured with a ramdisk, and the rc script unpacks the
    gzip'd executables onto the ramdisk and does a shadow mount on top of
    /tmp.  All writable directories are directed into /tmp (note the dev, etc, 
    home, and install), so when I mount the ram disk on /tmp and recreate
    the directory tree in the rc script, all the appropriate directories become
    read-write even though the boot+root is mounted read-only, and left
    read-only.

    The rc script also sets up the ethernet (hence the ifconfig executables).
    I've even managed to get rcp, rsh, and tar on the disk.  You can then
    rcp additional programs and scripts to either boot a full blown system,
    or setup install scripts to transfer a working linux system to the local
    hard drive, making installation on new machines much easier.

    A couple of things to note:

    * You have to use cp -a for everything except zImage (the kernel image),
      otherwise the holes in the various executables will take up space.

    * There are a surprising number of holes in executables.  For example,
      the 625K libc actually takes only 285K of disk space.  Since libc and
      a few other programs are required for booting, they cannot be gzip'd.

    * The below setup is for a single 1.44 MB 3.5" floppy disk.

    * Looking at the DF below, note that there are 23 inodes and 11 blocks of
      data free on the boot+root floppy.

                                                -Matt

apollo:/mnt# df /mnt; df -i /mnt

Filesystem         1024-blocks  Used Available Capacity Mounted on
/dev/fd0                1440    1429        0    100%   /mnt
Filesystem            Inodes   IUsed   IFree  %IUsed Mounted on
/dev/fd0                 240     217      23    90%  /mnt



total 299
drwxr-xr-x   2 root     wheel        1024 Jun 14 11:18 bin/
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel           7 Jun 14 11:17 dev -> tmp/dev/
drwxrwx---   2 root     wheel        1024 Mar 31 18:30 dos/
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel           7 Jun 14 11:17 etc -> tmp/etc/
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel           8 Jun 14 11:17 home -> tmp/home
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel           3 Jun 14 11:17 install -> tmp/
drwxr-xr-x   2 root     wheel        1024 May 26 09:53 lib/
drwxrwx---   2 root     wheel        1024 Mar 31 20:51 mnt/
drwxr-xr-x   2 root     wheel        1024 Mar 31 18:30 proc/
drwxr-xr-x   2 root     wheel        1024 Nov 21  1993 root/
drwxrwxrwt   4 root     wheel        1024 Mar 31 20:10 tmp/
drwxr-xr-x   2 root     wheel        1024 Nov 21  1993 user/
drwxr-xr-x   4 root     wheel        1024 Apr  1 10:33 usr/
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel      293380 Jun 14 11:17 zImage

bin:
total 282
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          12 Jun 14 11:18 cat -> /tmp/bin/cat
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        2481 Jun 14 11:18 cat.gz
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          14 Jun 14 11:18 chgrp -> /tmp/bin/chgrp
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        2088 Jun 14 11:18 chgrp.gz
-r-x--x--x   1 bin      bin          5088 Sep  4  1992 chmod*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          14 Jun 14 11:18 chown -> /tmp/bin/chown
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        2441 Jun 14 11:18 chown.gz
-r-x--x--x   1 bin      bin         12104 Sep  4  1992 cp*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          13 Jun 14 11:18 date -> /tmp/bin/date
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        7188 Jun 14 11:18 date.gz
-r-x--x--x   1 bin      bin          7592 Sep  4  1992 dd*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          11 Jun 14 11:18 df -> /tmp/bin/df
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        2806 Jun 14 11:18 df.gz
-r-xr-xr-x   1 bin      bin            25 Apr  5  1992 echo*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          14 Jun 14 11:18 getty -> /tmp/bin/getty
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel       12926 Jun 14 11:18 getty.gz
-r-x--x--x   1 bin      bin          5292 Sep  4  1992 ln*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          14 Jun 14 11:18 login -> /tmp/bin/login
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel       12882 Jun 14 11:18 login.gz
-r-x--x--x   1 bin      bin          4104 Sep  4  1992 mkdir*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          14 Jun 14 11:18 mknod -> /tmp/bin/mknod
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        2116 Jun 14 11:18 mknod.gz
-r-x------   1 bin      bin          7556 Jun 14 11:18 mount*
-r-x--x--x   1 bin      bin          6724 Sep  4  1992 mv*
-rwxrwx---   1 root     wheel        9220 Jun 14 11:18 myumount*
-r-x--x--x   1 bin      bin          5056 Sep  4  1992 rm*
-r-x--x--x   1 bin      bin        168964 Nov 21  1993 sh*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          13 Jun 14 11:18 sync -> /tmp/bin/sync
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel         833 Jun 14 11:18 sync.gz
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          21 Jun 14 11:18 tcsh -> ../usr/local/bin/tcsh
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          14 Jun 14 11:18 touch -> /tmp/bin/touch
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        7768 Jun 14 11:18 touch.gz

dos:
total 0

lib:
total 285
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     wheel       17412 Nov 21  1993 ld.so*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          14 Jun 14 11:17 libc.so.4 -> libc.so.4.5.21*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     wheel      623620 May 26 09:53 libc.so.4.5.21*

mnt:
total 0

proc:
total 0

root:
total 0

tmp:
total 3
drwxr-x---   3 root     wheel        2048 Mar 31 20:10 dev/
drwxr-xr-x   4 root     wheel        1024 Jun 14 11:18 etc/

tmp/dev:
total 1
crw-------   1 root     root       0,   0 Jan  4  1980 boot0
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel           4 Jun 14 11:17 console -> tty0
crw-rw----   1 root     tty        5,  64 Nov 21  1993 cua0
crw-rw----   1 root     tty        5,  65 Nov 19  1993 cua1
crw-rw----   1 root     tty        5,  66 Apr 10  1993 cua2
crw-rw----   1 root     tty        5,  67 Apr 10  1993 cua3
brw-r-----   1 root     root       2,   0 Aug 29  1992 fd0
brw-r-----   1 root     root       2,   1 Aug 29  1992 fd1
brw-r-----   1 root     root       3,   0 Aug 29  1992 hda
brw-r-----   1 root     root       3,   1 Aug 29  1992 hda1
brw-r-----   1 root     root       3,   2 Aug 29  1992 hda2
brw-r-----   1 root     root       3,   3 Aug 29  1992 hda3
brw-r-----   1 root     root       3,   4 Aug 29  1992 hda4
brw-r-----   1 root     root       3,  64 Aug 29  1992 hdb
brw-r-----   1 root     root       3,  65 Aug 29  1992 hdb1
brw-r-----   1 root     root       3,  66 Aug 29  1992 hdb2
brw-r-----   1 root     root       3,  67 Aug 29  1992 hdb3
brw-r-----   1 root     root       3,  68 Aug 29  1992 hdb4
crw-r-----   1 root     kmem       1,   2 Aug 29  1992 kmem
prw-rw----   1 root     wheel           0 Nov 17  1993 log|
brw-------   1 root     root      12,   0 Nov 11  1992 loop0
brw-------   1 root     root      12,   1 Nov 11  1992 loop1
crw-r-----   1 root     lp         6,   0 Aug 29  1992 lp0
crw-r-----   1 root     lp         6,   1 Aug 29  1992 lp1
crw-r-----   1 root     lp         6,   2 Aug 29  1992 lp2
brw-r-----   1 root     root      23,   0 Jul  4  1993 mcd0
crw-r-----   1 root     sys        1,   1 Aug 29  1992 mem
drwxr-x---   2 bin      bin          1024 Mar 31 19:31 net/
crw-------   1 root     root       9, 128 Jan 23  1993 nrmt0
crw-rw----   1 root     root       1,   3 Nov 21  1993 null
crw-r-----   1 root     lp         6,   0 Aug 29  1992 par0
crw-r-----   1 root     lp         6,   1 Aug 29  1992 par1
crw-r-----   1 root     lp         6,   2 Aug 29  1992 par2
crw-r-----   1 root     root       1,   4 Aug 29  1992 port
prwxr-x---   1 root     root            0 Jan 11  1993 printer|
crw-r-----   1 root     root      10,   1 Nov 23  1992 ps2aux
crw-rw----   1 root     root       4, 128 Nov 13  1993 ptyp0
crw-rw----   1 root     root       4, 129 Nov 21  1993 ptyp1
crw-rw----   1 root     root       4, 130 Nov 20  1993 ptyp2
crw-rw----   1 root     root       4, 131 Nov 21  1993 ptyp3
crw-rw----   1 root     root       4, 132 Nov 21  1993 ptyp4
crw-rw----   1 root     root       4, 133 Nov 21  1993 ptyp5
crw-rw----   1 root     root       4, 134 Nov 20  1993 ptyp6
crw-rw----   1 root     root       4, 135 Nov 20  1993 ptyp7
crw-rw----   1 root     root       4, 136 Nov 20  1993 ptyp8
crw-rw----   1 root     root       4, 137 Nov 20  1993 ptyp9
brw-rw----   1 root     root       1,   1 Nov 21  1993 ram
crw-------   1 root     root       9,   0 Nov 19  1993 rmt0
brw-r-----   1 root     root       8,   0 Aug 29  1992 sda
brw-r-----   1 root     root       8,   1 Aug 29  1992 sda1
brw-r-----   1 root     root       8,   2 Aug 29  1992 sda2
brw-r-----   1 root     root       8,   3 Aug 29  1992 sda3
brw-r-----   1 root     root       8,   4 Aug 29  1992 sda4
brw-r-----   1 root     root       8,  16 Aug 29  1992 sdb
brw-r-----   1 root     root       8,  17 Aug 29  1992 sdb1
brw-r-----   1 root     root       8,  18 Aug 29  1992 sdb2
brw-r-----   1 root     root       8,  19 Aug 29  1992 sdb3
brw-r-----   1 root     root       8,  20 Aug 29  1992 sdb4
brw-r-----   1 root     daemon    11,   0 Mar 14  1993 sr0
brw-r-----   1 root     daemon    11,   1 Mar 14  1993 sr1
brw-r-----   1 root     daemon    11,   2 Mar 14  1993 sr2
crw-rw----   1 root     wheel      5,   0 Mar 30  1993 tty
crw-r--r--   1 root     wheel      4,   0 Mar  3 09:11 tty0
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     write      4,   1 Mar 31 13:51 tty1
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     write      4,   2 Mar 31 13:50 tty2
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     write      4,   3 Mar 31 13:39 tty3
crw-rw----   1 root     wheel      4,  64 Sep  9  1993 ttyS0
crw-rw----   1 root     wheel      4,  65 Sep  9  1993 ttyS1
crw-rw----   1 root     wheel      4,  66 Jan 23  1980 ttyS2
crw-rw----   1 root     wheel      4,  67 Oct 14  1992 ttyS3
crw-rw----   1 root     wheel      4, 192 Nov 13  1993 ttyp0
crw-rw----   1 root     wheel      4, 193 Nov 21  1993 ttyp1
crw-rw----   1 root     wheel      4, 194 Nov 21  1993 ttyp2
crw-rw----   1 root     wheel      4, 195 Nov 21  1993 ttyp3
crw-rw----   1 root     wheel      4, 196 Nov 21  1993 ttyp4
crw-rw----   1 root     wheel      4, 197 Nov 21  1993 ttyp5
crw-rw----   1 root     wheel      4, 198 Nov 20  1993 ttyp6
crw-rw----   1 root     wheel      4, 199 Nov 20  1993 ttyp7
crw-rw----   1 root     wheel      4, 200 Nov 20  1993 ttyp8
crw-rw----   1 root     wheel      4, 201 Nov 20  1993 ttyp9
crw-rw----   1 root     root       1,   5 Aug 29  1992 zero

tmp/dev/net:
total 0
crw-------   1 bin      bin       16,   1 Oct  4  1993 arp
crw-rw----   1 bin      bin       18,   2 Oct  4  1993 icmp
crw-------   1 bin      bin       18,   0 Oct  4  1993 inet
crw-rw----   1 bin      bin       18,   1 Oct  4  1993 ip
crw-------   1 bin      bin       19,   0 Oct  4  1993 lo
crw-------   1 bin      bin       16,   2 Oct  4  1993 route
crw-rw----   1 bin      bin       16,   0 Oct  4  1993 socket
crw-rw----   1 bin      bin       18,   3 Oct  4  1993 tcp
crw-rw----   1 bin      bin       18,   4 Oct  4  1993 udp
crw-rw----   1 bin      bin       17,   0 Oct  4  1993 unix

tmp/etc:
total 152
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        3197 Jun 14 11:18 clock.gz
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel       56303 Jun 14 11:18 fsck.ext2.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root     wheel          83 Mar 31 21:05 fstab
-rw-r-----   1 root     wheel         591 May 26 10:30 gettydefs
-rw-r--r--   1 root     wheel         996 Jun 10 10:11 group
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel           8 Jun 14 11:18 halt -> shutdown
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        5404 Jun 14 11:18 ifconfig.gz
-r-x------   1 bin      bin         17412 Jun 14 11:18 init*
-rw-r--r--   1 root     wheel         684 Mar 31 19:58 inittab
drwxr-xr-x   2 root     root         1024 Jun 14 11:18 lilo/
-rw-r-----   1 root     wheel        4964 Mar 31 19:28 login.defs
-r-xr-xr-x   1 bin      bin         29700 Jun 14 11:18 mkfs.ext2*
-rw-r--r--   1 root     wheel        1406 Jun  1 10:36 passwd
-rw-r--r--   1 root     wheel         715 Apr  1 11:06 protocols
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     wheel        2201 May 26 10:31 rc*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel           8 Jun 14 11:18 reboot -> shutdown
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        2719 Jun 14 11:18 route.gz
-r--------   1 root     wheel          69 Dec  8  1993 securetty
-r--r--r--   1 root     wheel        3797 May  3 20:19 services
-rw-------   1 root     wheel         688 Jun  1 11:48 shadow
-rw-r--r--   1 root     wheel          45 Feb 24 17:58 shells
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        3778 Jun 14 11:18 shutdown.gz
drwxrwx---   2 root     wheel        1024 Jun 14 11:18 slip/
-rw-r--r--   1 root     wheel        1136 Mar 31 21:35 termcap
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        2752 Jun 14 11:18 umount.gz
-rwxr-xr-x   1 bin      bin          9220 Jun 14 11:18 update*

tmp/etc/lilo:
total 25
-rw-r--r--   1 root     wheel        2928 Jul 26  1993 boot.b
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root          121 Nov 21  1993 config
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel       16871 Jun 14 11:17 lilo.gz
-rw-------   1 root     wheel        2560 Jun 14 11:18 map

tmp/etc/slip:
total 10
-rwxrwxr-x   1 root     slip         5075 May 10 12:36 doslip*
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        2779 Jun 14 11:18 dudiscdev.gz
-rw-------   1 root     wheel         524 May 26 10:41 slip0.cfg
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        1011 Jun 14 11:18 slipwait.gz

user:
total 0

usr:
total 2
drwxrwx---   2 root     wheel        1024 Jun 14 11:19 bin/
drwxrwx---   3 root     wheel        1024 Apr  1 10:33 local/
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel           6 Jun 14 11:17 tmp -> ../tmp/

usr/bin:
total 219
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel           4 Jun 14 11:19 gunzip -> gzip*
-r-x--x--x   1 bin      bin         46084 Jun 14 11:19 gzip*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          17 Jun 14 11:19 kill -> /tmp/usr/bin/kill
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        1391 Jun 14 11:19 kill.gz
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          15 Jun 14 11:18 ls -> /tmp/usr/bin/ls
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        6900 Jun 14 11:18 ls.gz
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          17 Jun 14 11:19 ping -> /tmp/usr/bin/ping
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        6343 Jun 14 11:19 ping.gz
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          15 Jun 14 11:19 ps -> /tmp/usr/bin/ps
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        5754 Jun 14 11:19 ps.gz
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          16 Jun 14 11:18 rcp -> /tmp/usr/bin/rcp
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        5726 Jun 14 11:18 rcp.gz
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          16 Jun 14 11:18 rsh -> /tmp/usr/bin/rsh
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        2057 Jun 14 11:18 rsh.gz
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          18 Jun 14 11:19 sleep -> /tmp/usr/bin/sleep
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        1218 Jun 14 11:19 sleep.gz
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          16 Jun 14 11:19 tar -> /tmp/usr/bin/tar
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel      100069 Jun 14 11:19 tar.gz
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          15 Jun 14 11:19 vi -> /tmp/usr/bin/vi
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel       43737 Jun 14 11:19 vi.gz

usr/local:
total 1
drwxrwx---   2 root     wheel        1024 Jun 14 11:18 bin/

usr/local/bin:
total 113
-rwxrwxr-x   1 dillon   dillon        407 May 26 12:05 get*
-rwxrwxr-x   1 dillon   dillon        285 Jun  7 14:31 put*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          23 Jun 14 11:18 swap -> /tmp/usr/local/bin/swap
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel        1241 Jun 14 11:18 swap.gz
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     wheel          23 Jun 14 11:18 tcsh -> /tmp/usr/local/bin/tcsh
-rw-rw----   1 root     wheel      109589 Jun 14 11:18 tcsh.gz
-- 

    Matthew Dillon              dillon@apollo.west.oic.com
    1005 Apollo Way             ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop)
    Incline Village, NV. 89451  Obvious Implementations Corporation
    USA                         Sandel-Avery Engineering
    [always include a portion of the original email in any response!]


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