Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #375
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Linux-Misc Digest #375, Volume #2                 Mon, 4 Jul 94 22:15:26 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (R S Rodgers)
  Slackware on Dell Omniplex 590 (Alok K. Dhir)
  Re: Is it possible to mix FIDO and Usenet? (Andre Fachat)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Skip)
  Re: Difficult Linux Instructions... (David H Dennis)
  e@mail of LinuX CDROM publisher wanted (Steffen W. Schilke)
  Re: KSH is REALLY BROKEN in Slackware! (Orc)
  Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2) (Alan Cox)
  Re: Idea for supporting a lot of SCSI and other controllers (Alan Cox)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Alan Cox)
  Re: A sample of what's wrong with OS/2 TCP/IP  (Alan Cox)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Alan Cox)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Alan Cox)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Alan Cox)
  Re: where are AX25 include files? (Alan Cox)
  Re: How do I end a dip/ SLIP session (Terry Dawson)
  Help on bootdisk for NCR53c810 PCI SCSI (Wen-Liang Huang)

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From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (R S Rodgers)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 1994 09:56:44 -0500
Reply-To: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu

In article <1994Jul4.025038.25534@escape.widomaker.com>,
shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix) wrote:
> Leo L Turetsky (professor+@CMU.EDU) wrote:
> : What? How is Linux not free if you have Internet access? By my own
> : reasoning Linux patches are not free, sure, but show me people who use
> : Linux everyday, with no other OS, and don't have Internet access.
> : Internet and Linux go hand in hand... you can't have one without the
> : other.
> 
> Our local UNIX users group has 7 members running Linux without
> Internet access.  It USED to be required but not anymore.  Usenet
> news is a nice thing to have though.

Why... you're right!  No ftp required -- just a user group membership.

--

Yippee for uqwk!

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From: adhir@bigdipper.umd.edu (Alok K. Dhir)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Slackware on Dell Omniplex 590
Date: 4 Jul 1994 22:34:24 GMT

Hello all - 

I am trying to get Slackware 1.2 up and running on a Dell Omniplex 590 
system with 32megs ram and 500 megs of HD.  I have obtained an Adaptec 
1742 scsi card to use until the NCR driver is more stable, and all is 
working...  Except X.

The Dell machine has an onboard ATI Ultra Pro (Mach 32) on the PCI bus with 
1mb of VRAM.  For some reason, I cannot get X to display anything other than a 
black screen.  I have been through the Xconfig and cannot determine the 
source of the problem.

If anyone has any hints, I really appreciate a reply via email.  If you 
have everything running on a similar machine, I'd appreciate a copy of 
your Xconfig.

Thanks...

Al

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From: fs1@aixterm2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Andre Fachat)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Is it possible to mix FIDO and Usenet?
Date: 5 Jul 1994 00:10:50 GMT

Garry Adkins (adkinsg@pcn.proline.com) wrote:

: Hello all!

: Please forgive me if this is a stupid question, but I'm just learning 
: these things...  :)
Nothing to forgive. 
: Is it possible to get a FIDOnet mailer for linux?
Yes. I use ifmail. works really well.
ifmail is a transport system like uucp. so your newsgroups and mail get 
sent to your fido host (if set up in smail:routers/transports (or so) and
cnews:sys/batchparm)
: Here's what I'd like to do:
: Get incoming fidonet mail and be able to read it via trn, tin, etc.
:       (I'm thinking of groups like fido.whatever....)
no problem, I have this. If you have problems, I can send you samples
of my config files, but that shouldn't be neccessary
: Take the new postings and send them to the local FIDO network.

: Be able to send/recieve FIDO netmail and forward it to the proper
: accounts as regular linux mail. (reading with elm)
ifmail works for mail and news and in both directions. One problem
I have, I remember right now (I don't get many FIDO netmail) is with
the user aliases from FIDO to Internet. I don't have a user "Andre"
but only one "fachat"  where ifmail tries to send to "andre fachat", which
is error-sent to the postmaster (which I am as well, so it makes no
difference. But that should work some, I just haven't figured out.
I use ifmail locally only. But it should work in a network as well, as
it fits well into the unix environment.
: Basically, I'm thinking of making a simple BBS "shell" that calls the
: appropriate unix program.  This way I use linux's regular login, etc.
You can also use fidogate together with binkley term. I tried it, 
but had some more serious errors, so I switched.
: I've figgured out how to prevent users from shelling out of programs
: like vi, elm, etc.  Now I'm wondering how to integrate FIDO into 
: this setup.

: Are there any linux/FIDO gurus out there?  :)
I don't think I'm a GURU, but if I can help ;-))
: Email or posting is fine.

: Thanks!

: Garry

Bye
Andre

--
Andre Fachat              mail me!             fachat@galileo.rhein-neckar.de
For some it is MS-Windows, for others it's the longest batch file on earth...

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From: rkuo@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Skip)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 5 Jul 1994 00:22:02 GMT

In article <sheldon.773338193@mystic.agron.iastate.edu> sheldon@iastate.edu (Steven R. Sheldon) writes:

> Well free in the same way that Linux is free.  It actually probably costs
>me on the neighborhood of $50 in lost time ftping 30 disks off the internet,
>and that is only because I am fortunate to have internet access as part of
>my job.

> The thing that this shendrix guy doesn't seem to understand is that he only
>spent like $60-100 for OS/2 2.0, which just barely covered the production
>costs.  Now he is demanding that they send him another $60 in disks and
>manuals for free?  I don't think so.

> I'm sorry, I don't understand his reasoning.  $60 was a fair price for the
>2.1 upgrade, and the time spent downloading the 2.1 CSD was worth every cent
>as well.

> Sometimes people at .edu sites become sheltered from real world costs.  It
>is sad, because colleges are supposed to be preparing people for the world,
>not hiding the world from them. :(

>Steve Sheldon           [These are my own opinions]
>Iowa State University   ICSS Resource Facility by day
>sheldon@iastate.edu     ProMap by night

        Yes, you may have lost $50 worth of time by ftp'ing Linux, but how much
time did you lose downloading the 2.0 CSD, 2.1 CSD, installing and reinstalling
OS/2 and its CSD's over and over, etc?  Maybe sending him $60 worth of manuals
and diskettes isn't going to make IBM any money, but the fact remains that OS/2
is a buggy product that requires fixing and it ought to be remedied free of
charge.

        I've been following this OS/2 vs. Linux thread for a while now, and
just to chip in, I bought OS/2 2.0, tried OS/2 2.1, and bought OS/2 2.1 for
Windows.  I spent days tinkering with all of these versions trying to get it
to work right with my applications.  The results were mediocre at best.  Ami
Pro for Windows crashed occasionally and Media Player repeatedly crashed my
system while playing certain .MID files through my Roland SC-55.  I didn't
have any OS/2 applications I could work with, and WP 5.1 for DOS had these
weird keyboard repeat problems and printing problems.  I tried to multitask
downloads with other applications and it failed miserably, even after setting
the comm program to Ring 1 priority.  Plus things slowed down a lot.  WPS
slowed things down a lot too.  For multitasking downloads, I apparently needed
a new serial card with a 16550 UART.  Great.  DOS applications didn't work
right, Windows apps didn't work right, and games didn't work right.  MMPM/2 
SB support ate up even more RAM and slowed things down even more.  Plus, in
order to get TCP/IP I was going to have to pay $150 dollars.

        I'm serious when I say that these were just a few of problems with
OS/2.  Quite frankly, I'm unimpressed with an operating system that delivered
so little and had all these weird quirks.  For example, people have to disable
their external cache for the chip just so OS/2 can install itself reliably.
I'm sorry, but WHY!?!?!?  All OS/2 has to do is write a bunch of stuff over to
the hard drive.  I can't imagine any reason for having to disable an external
cache jsut to make it work.

        Anyhow, the upshot is that I'm now using Linux, I have built-in TCP/IP
support, and I can now download with Seyon and recompile the kernel in another
window and not even notice a slowdown (and, yes, I do still have that wimpy
16450 UART).  I don't have to deal with late and overdue fixes that come on
more disks than the operating system itself, and I've never had Linux crash
yet.  Plus, I didn't have to spend any money at all on it.

        I realize that other people will say that OS/2 has been reliable and
worry-free for them, and if they are happy with it, then that's great.  But I
find it hard to believe that either I or my computer can possibly be
responsible for the number of problems I had.  I have a lot of experience
dealing with these problems and I know I covered all the bases.

        Anyhow, just wanted to let people know where I stand on the whole
issue.  Thanks for listening, and if you have had a similar, or maybe
dissimilar experience, let us know!






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From: david@hollywood.cinenet.net (David H Dennis)
Subject: Re: Difficult Linux Instructions...
Date: 4 Jul 1994 17:16:23 -0700

For networking, I warmly recommend reading the net guide - it was quite
well written and had enough information for me to get my Sun to Linux PC
network running.  (This is a surprisingly common configuration, since
PCs have the cheap processing power and Suns have the cheap 19" color
monitors).

I'm holding my breath, since I will be starting my first SLIP connection
around the middle of the month - that will be an interesting experience.

But I do want to give a well-deserved 'Thank you' to the people of the LDP
for putting together a very clean and well written product.

This wouldn't be Linux, though, if I didn't have one gripe: I think
there should be "viewable text" versions that you can just display on
the screen in a text editor like Emacs.  I dislike the idea of trying
to figure out Ghostscript (and thus trying to figure out X-windows) so
much that I'll probably trade in my HP 4 for a HP 4M Plus to get
PostScript so I won't have to go through the hassle.  :-(

D

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin,de.comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
From: sws@tora.RoBIN.de (Steffen W. Schilke)
Subject: e@mail of LinuX CDROM publisher wanted
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 11:22:23 GMT

Hi,

I am looking out for the e@mail addresses of people who publish LinuX
CD ROMs or create LinuX Distributions.

Thank you               steffen

I can post a summary

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.unix.shell
From: orc@pell.com (Orc)
Subject: Re: KSH is REALLY BROKEN in Slackware!
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 22:31:14 GMT

In article <1994Jul4.172828.15764@tigger.jvnc.net>,
Bob Kupiec <kupiec@tigger.jvnc.net> wrote:
>
>I've found a rather obvious bug in ksh [buckets-o-nulls problem]


   It appears to be an interaction problem between ksh4.9 and
stdio.  The source is on sunsite (I believe), and there are some
people working on it.  Pdksh has a *lot* of bugs in it, and you're
probably better off using bash (yeah, I know *bleah*, but at least
it works) unless you want to spend a bunch of time trying to fix
them.


   (I've been working on trying to fix some of these problems,
since I like pdksh more than bash, but I'm not the maintainer and
am finding it hard going)


                 ____
   david parsons \bi/ orc@pell.com
                  \/

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:36:37 GMT

In article <2v12s0$lns@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts) writes:
>But fvwm has no file management, no drag-and-drop... (incidentally, I agree,
>I use fvwm rather than olwm, but olwm is closer to WPS in functionality, which
>was why I chose it for the comparison).

Pardon.. you must be using an old one. THe current 1.22s has a beautiful colour
file manager with drag and drop.

>Given NFS.  Without NFS, rather less.

Without NFS it can do a lot actually. 

Alan


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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Idea for supporting a lot of SCSI and other controllers
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:48:46 GMT

In article <2v2b1j$ids@news.u.washington.edu> tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>Also, the Netware driver interface is a lot cleaner and better thought out
>than any commecial Unix one I've seen--Novell actually seemed to *want*
>third parties to write Netware drivers, whereas the impression I've gotten
>when writing SCO drivers is that I was doing something that SCO would really
>rather not have me do.
>
I assume thats why Novell seem to want $7000 just for the ODI driver development
kit - and the O stands for Open. Even microsoft make the NDIS 3 specifications
FREELY available.

Alan


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:51:57 GMT

In article <2v2kc7$lrr@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> hsuc@egr.msu.edu writes:
>By your own reasoning, patches for Linux are not free.  Even
>worse, Linux now costs money to obtain.

They don't cost me anything on the internet. To most people they have a small
cost, but the 1.0.x patches are typically 5-10K compressed so cost about 30p
UK to download at most.

Alan



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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: A sample of what's wrong with OS/2 TCP/IP 
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:53:08 GMT

In article <CsAIsz.IG9@cc.umontreal.ca> southiea@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Southiere Alain) writes:
>   Just a point here. Does this linux distribution comes with a GUI ?
>A friend of mine tried Linux a while back and with Xwindow, it was
>near 80 mb ! (at least, that what he told me). That probably

Yes but the 80Mb of Linux material includes about 10 compilers, Tek, a vast
array of support tools and editors. If you add these to OS/2 you'll end with
a much larger OS/2 package than 80Mb 8)

Alan


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 15:02:49 GMT

In article <1994Jul1.223840.24934@Princeton.EDU> wgsohne@flagstaff.Princeton.EDU (Guido Sohne) writes:
>You should seriously consider moving to Linux. It has better device support
>than SCO, is more stable than SCO and will run most if not all SCO
>binaries. You get the best of both stability and volume advantages. Linux
>is not just a hacker's dream, its also an ordinary, savvy users dream. Your
>SCO apps will probably run on Linux. It won't cost you anything to try it
>and you'll probably be extremely pleased with the results.

About 70% of SCO apps is my experience. When its nearer 95% I'll be happier.
This is mostly shared memory emulation problems and being done now.

Alan



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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 15:10:49 GMT

In article <Qi5QRB200YUnIBTZ0w@andrew.cmu.edu> Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>What? How is Linux not free if you have Internet access? By my own
>reasoning Linux patches are not free, sure, but show me people who use
>Linux everyday, with no other OS, and don't have Internet access.
>Internet and Linux go hand in hand... you can't have one without the
>other. I had OS/2 before I had Internet access. I no longer have OS/2.

Lots of locals do. The disks get passed from hand to hand via students and
via people who used to have internet access. The UK amateur radio community
passes disks around this way too. Lots of UUCP only sites use Linux and for
stuff like patches its a better use of phone time than ftp.

Alan


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 17:32:46 GMT

In article <9407040537.04@rmkhome.com> rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly) writes:
>Linux will not produce viable SCO binaries.
Funny I know three commercial vendors who only use SCO for the test phase now

>Like it or not, SCO is the biggest UNIX platform.
By financial value not by volume as far as I can tell.

>SCO is more stable than Linux.
Sure as hell wasn't here.

>For someone who wants to make money selling software packages, SCO is
>obviously better than Linux.

Yep because you have to have money to burn to buy it. To be honest SCO and
Linux are as far apart as DOS and NT Advanced server. I doubt Linux will ever
compete with SCO nor SCO with Linux for that simple reason.

Alan


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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: where are AX25 include files?
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 17:34:05 GMT

In article <CsF71v.885@discus.technion.ac.il> s2301190@techst02.technion.ac.il (Yoram Rotbach) writes:
>I found out that LINUX can support amateur radio AX25 networking.
>However I couldn't find the support files such as ax25.c ax25.h in
>two kernel versions I have (1.0.8 & 1.1.20).
>
>If you know where I can get these files or the status of AX25 support on
>LINUX PSE let me know.
>

sunacm.swan.ac.uk:/pub/Linux/Radio

Alan




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From: terryd@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Terry Dawson)
Subject: Re: How do I end a dip/ SLIP session
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 01:38:56 GMT

imr@muppet.bt.co.uk (Ian M. Robertson) writes:

>This may be obvious but i cant find it - I run a SLIP connection using dip. How do
>I hang up the connection ?? . I ve tried killing the dip process but the line remains
>active, I ve tried starting another dip like it says in some FAQ but the second dip
>bombs out when it tries to set the port !. So far my ony success has been to remove the phone 
>cable !!. 

Either 'dip -k', or 'kill -9 <pid>' where pid is the process id (from 'ps')
of the running dip.

Terry

-- 
--- Terry Dawson, terryd@extro.ucc.su.oz.au

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin,de.comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
From: wlhuang@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Wen-Liang Huang)
Subject: Help on bootdisk for NCR53c810 PCI SCSI
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 01:52:23 GMT

Does anybody out there remember details how you make your 
Linux bootdisk work for NCR53C810 SCSI PCI BIOS?
Please email me.  Thanks in advance.

Wenliang Huang

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