Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #364
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Linux-Misc Digest #364, Volume #2                 Sun, 3 Jul 94 07:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  SLIP and EFAX (Ziniu "Michael" Wei)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Lulu of the lotus-eaters)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Lulu of the lotus-eaters)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (COMITALE  LEO)
  Re: Doom for Linux? (Chris Howard)
  Re: How do I end a dip/ SLIP session (Terry Dawson)
  Re: Linux Journal wants young artists (Thomas G. McWilliams)
  Re: <q> PhotoCD and LinuX (Wolfgang Kalthoff)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Chun Hsu)
  Re: A sample of what's wrong with OS/2 TCP/IP  (Southiere Alain)
  Re: Does PPP on Linux Route TCP/IP? (Steve Sprengel - FEF)
  Re: `ncftp` for Linux? (Alan B. Evans)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Chun Hsu)
  compat of cdrom (scsi) (Brian Quandt)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
From: ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu "Michael" Wei)
Subject: SLIP and EFAX
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 02:34:30 GMT

I have a really strange problem.  I have a GVC 14.4 internel fax/modem
on my 386/40, 8M, kernel 1.0.8 with SLIP.  I use efax to do fax.  Every
time after doing SLIP, the fax doesn't work properly.  the efax log
shows that my fax/modem tries to send fax in 14400 bps rate instead
9600, and it cause overrun in receiving fax machines.  After reboot, the 
fax works again doing 9600 bps fax.  Modem usage other than SLIP doesn't 
affect the FAX (I use minicom).

Any clue?

Any comments are highly appreciated.

--
Ziniu Wei               CEDAR, SUNY at Buffalo       ziniuwei@cs.buffalo.edu
Rule # 1:  Network *is* computer

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From: quilty@twain.ucs.umass.edu (Lulu of the lotus-eaters)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 3 Jul 1994 02:26:16 GMT

Guido Sohne (wgsohne@flagstaff.Princeton.EDU) wrote:
: You might pay for your net access (by which I mean TCP/IP access) but I
: don't think anyone has a net connection just for upgrading Linux so no one
: should say you pay for FTPing Linux. The network is there to be used and
: you pay the same thing regardless of whether you upgrade your Linux every
: day or not.

Unless you pay by the byte, or by the minute, as many people do. (I'm 
fortunate enough just to have a semester flat fee myself though).

Yours, Lulu...

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From: quilty@twain.ucs.umass.edu (Lulu of the lotus-eaters)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 3 Jul 1994 02:33:35 GMT

Leo L Turetsky (professor+@CMU.EDU) wrote:
: > Leo's definition of "low-end hardware": Hardware that NextStep doesn't
: support.

: Is this definition false? Can you call the 1522 high-end scsi? Keep in
: mind I own a 1522, and am happy with it, but it is by far the lowest
: brand-name scsi I could find when I got my cd-rom.

This is some kind of joke, right?! The Adaptec 1522 is pretty damn far 
from the "lowest end" brand-name SCSI card (Oh, or does 'brand-name' mean 
'Adaptec').  You've perhaps heard of some quite popular 8-bit cards from 
Future Domain or Trantor?

: I don't know. I don't use NeXT. I used NeXT as an example because it is
: a superior OS in all respects and that I have investigated getting it
: for Intel and thus have read the info at ftp.next.com numerous times.

Do you think, then, that NextSTEP will run better and faster on my 386 
w/8Mg than will OS/2? (Or than Windoze for that matter).  "All respects" 
is absurd at best, insulting to our intelligence more likely.

Yours, Lulu...

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: comital@ecf.toronto.edu (COMITALE  LEO)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 02:30:20 GMT

In article <Yi5QWWa00YUn8BTZw1@andrew.cmu.edu>,
Leo L Turetsky  <professor+@CMU.EDU> wrote:
[deletia]
>problems because they are entirely your fault for not keeping up. If
>OS/2 had yearly updates, maybe IBM would have gotten it right by now.
[etc]
>Your installation IS ancient. You're a master's student in ECE, why
>don't you understant that the computer industry changes with the blink
>of an eye?
>
>-Leo

I think OS/2 users would rather be doing their work rather than
installing fixes for the OS all the time.   

Of course if all your interested in is the OS itself, by all means
go ahead and recompile your kernel every week, I'd rather be running
programs instead, thank you.

-- 
Leo Comitale <> University Of Toronto Computer Engineering <> 9T6++  
      "The greatteste clerkes been noght wisest men"


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From: mecca@vespucci.iquest.com (Chris Howard)
Subject: Re: Doom for Linux?
Date: 29 Jun 1994 19:02:33 GMT

id has put Doom for Linux on the "Backburner".  They say they are too busy
with JagDoom and Doom ][.  Oh well.....


Beverly J. Brown (bjb@shore.net) wrote:

: I heard that there is a version of DOOM that runs under Linux. Where can I 
: find it?

: Beverly J. Brown
: bjb@shore.net
: beverly@datacube.com

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From: terryd@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Terry Dawson)
Subject: Re: How do I end a dip/ SLIP session
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 08:54:40 GMT

aevans@kaiwan.com (Alan B. Evans) writes:

>You are correct when you say it is not obvious. Some kind soul posted
>it here a long time ago and that's how I found out. Use the -k option
>of dip. This works on the client side (caller - not the one being called)

>       dip -k

>On the system I use it with, you need to be root to use it successfully.

Alan, this means that you do not have the 'dip' permissions set properly.
dip should be suid root, ie, do:

chown root dip
chmod 6750 dip

then any user should be able to 'dip -k', please also note that
'dip -k' only works with newer versions of dip, older versions
required you to 'kill -9 <pid>' them.

This appears in the questions and answers section in the NET-2-HOWTO.

regards
Terry

-- 
--- Terry Dawson, terryd@extro.ucc.su.oz.au

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From: tgm@netcom.com (Thomas G. McWilliams)
Subject: Re: Linux Journal wants young artists
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 08:49:18 GMT

Phil Hughes (fyl@ssc.com) wrote:
: What we want is a "picture of a Linux" drawn by a child.  We would like
: them to decide what a Linux should look like and then make the drawing.

Sounds ok, but I'm still waiting for the Linux Journal "swim suit" issue.

Thomas


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From: wo@rio70.bln.sni.de (Wolfgang Kalthoff)
Subject: Re: <q> PhotoCD and LinuX
Date: 3 Jul 1994 11:46:25 +0200
Reply-To: wo@rio70.bln.sni.de (Wolfgang Kalthoff)

In <2b271619@p27.f210.n2437.z2.fidonet.org> Eberhard_Moenkeberg@p27.rollo.central.de (Eberhard Moenkeberg) writes:


>Hello Gerry Snyder and all others,

>on 29.06.94 Gerry Snyder wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX.MISC:

>>> Use Hadmut Danisch's hpcdtoppm to convert the images *.pcd to *.ppm
>GS>
>GS> I have hpcdtoppm, and it works fine with those images it can see.
>GS> However, it does not seem to be able to get to images put onto a
>GS> PhotoCD in a second session. I guess that the problem is with the
>GS> iso9660 filesystem, since xfm can't see the second session either.

>The problem is within all linux CDROM drivers except sbpcd.

>If you want to fully read a multisession CD under Linux today, you
>must get a Panasonic CR-562 or CreativeLabs CR-563 drive.


There's a little program made by Andreas Haumer, which changes the mode
of the Toshiba 3[34]01. I got it from `ask archie` and it works!

The name of the distribution is ToshibaPCD-1.1.tar.gz. 
[..]>The problem is with the Linux drivers, and only with the drivers.


Correct. The program mentioned above works only after a diskchange.
It would be nice, if the driver would know about that possibility.
I don't know how, and Eric has no time. :-(

Greetings ... Wolfgang
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From: hsuc@msu.edu (Chun Hsu)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 2 Jul 1994 02:45:27 GMT
Reply-To: hsuc@egr.msu.edu

Leo L Turetsky (professor+@CMU.EDU) wrote:
: Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 30-Jun-94 Re: Linux better
: than OS/2 .. by Mike Dahmus@news.gate.ne 
: > And what do you call CSD1 and CSD2? Taken together, they provide all of the
: > "fixes" necessary to upgrade OS/2 2.0 to OS/2 2.1 level (without upgrading
: > Win-OS/2 to 3.1, or giving multimedia).

: I call this defective, moronic, and poor computing from IBM.

So IBM should not provide fixes?  Or are you just saying that the
CSD's should not be necessary in the first place?  No software 
is bug free.  Don't forget some of those patches in the CSD are
for minor cosmetic fixes or performance improvements.  In general
the CSD's are not necessary.  The patches are usually available
individually for users who have specific problems.

: > Cost of these fixes: $0.00

: Yeah, if you have internet access.... 0.00 my foot.
:  
: > Cost of service pack 1 for OS/2 2.1: $0.00

: Whatever...

By your own reasoning, patches for Linux are not free.  Even
worse, Linux now costs money to obtain.

--
===========================================================================
 Chun Hsu                                     E-mail: hsuc@egr.msu.edu   
 Masters of Science
 Electrical Engineering                       Michigan State University
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: southiea@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Southiere Alain)
Subject: Re: A sample of what's wrong with OS/2 TCP/IP 
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 01:58:10 GMT

In article <1994Jun30.142627.26926@Princeton.EDU>, Guido Sohne (wgsohne@tucson.Princeton.EDU) wrote:
: >Linux distribution contains about 30 floppies. TCP/IP, C/C++/ObjC, all with
: >sources, also games, LaTeX, SmallTalk and some other things that average 
: >user do not need.
: >OS/2 2.99beta has 19 floppies itself, 8 floppies TCP/IP, and about
: >10 floppies you need for some decent software development system.
: >NO SOURCES.

[lots of stuff deleted]

   Just a point here. Does this linux distribution comes with a GUI ?
A friend of mine tried Linux a while back and with Xwindow, it was
near 80 mb ! (at least, that what he told me). That probably
wouldn't fit on 30 floppies ! OS/2 is about 40 mb installed
(not sure for the beta). Linux as near twice as big with X !

--
Alain Southiere, B.Sc.             | You can't always get what you want,
southiea@jsp.umontreal.ca          | But if you try sometimes,
===================================| You might find you get what you need !
OS/2 2.1 Operate at a higher level |                -The Rolling Stones

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From: ssprengel@news.mid.net (Steve Sprengel - FEF)
Subject: Re: Does PPP on Linux Route TCP/IP?
Date: 2 Jul 1994 02:57:19 GMT

I am also trying to get my slip-connected Linux box to route packets to
and from our ethernet, with little success.      

From various articles, I understand there are several conditions:

1)  A kernel 1.1.20 or higher?  I have 1.1.23.
2)  Packet forwarding turned on?  Yes.
3)  My class-C ethternet registered with Internic?  Yes.

However, there's another condition I'm suspecting must be the case...

4)  Does the IP address given my machine every time I dial up my provider
    have to be a DIFFERENT NETWORK than the rest of my ethernet? 

    For sake of discussion, let's say my registered class-C network address
    is AAA.BBB.CCC.0, and the machines on my ethernet are AAA.BBB.CCC.10,
    AAA.BBB.CCC.20, etc.  My concern is that my SLIP provider assigns me
    an address of AAA.BBB.CCC.1 when I dial up, which is on the SAME NETWORK
    as the rest of my ethernet.

    I am familiar with Novell IPX lans, and I know that for a server to do
    routing between two different network-interface-cards in the same
    server, they must be assigned differing "network" addresses.

    Are things different in Linux/Unix/TCP/IP that magically allows two 
    interface cards (a modem and a 3c509 in my case) to be routed between
    but still have the same network address?  I suspect not, but would like
    a definitive answer one way or the other.

    Any insight from someone with more than my 1-week experience with
    TCP/IP and Linux would greatly be appreciated.


    --Steve              ssprengel@nebfef.com

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Eckard Kopatzki (root@stevie.isar.muc.de) wrote:
: In article michael@iinet.com.au (Michael O'Reilly) writes:
: > Gentry Howard (ghoward@hawk.depaul.edu) wrote:
: > : Will my Linux box be able to function like a TCP/IP router for the rest 
of
: > : my Ethernet if I run PPP or SLIP to a service provider? In other words,
: > : will my TCP/IP clients on my ethernet be able to request socket level
: > : services from hosts on the internet over a PPP or SLIP connection? What
: > : software/hardware/service combination would I need to make this happen?
: > 
: > Yes, it's definately possible. reggae.iinet.com.au does exactly that.
: > It handles an ether, and between 2 and 5 PPP links. Handle routing
: > traffic for a few subnets. No probs at all.
: > 
: > Nothing special needed. Just compile the kernel with forwarding turned
: > on, and start bringing up links. :)
: > 

: Unless your answer is correct in each detail it invokes hopes for hundreds
 of
: SLIP/PPP users that will not be fullfilled. I've seen lots of posts like
 "Why
: is my local net unable to reach the outside world via my SLIP/PPP-connected
: box?" Of course it is possible to use a Linux box as a gateway using 
SLIP/PPP

: BUT THIS ONLY WORKS IF YOUR DOMAIN IS REGISTERED TO THE INTERNET!

: You have to buy the permission for a Class-C-network from a provider. 
Getting
: one Internet address for your gateway will not allow you to connect your 
local
: network to the Internet!

: -- 
: Eckard Kopatzki           Internet eko@isar.muc.de
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From: aevans@kaiwan.com (Alan B. Evans)
Subject: Re: `ncftp` for Linux?
Date: 1 Jul 1994 19:51:05 -0700

Mike Strock (mstrock@eskimo.com) wrote:

: Has anybody ported the 'ncftp' program to Linux, or does anyone know if
: it is a straight recompile?

: I just got a Linux box up and running (with tcp/ip, cool) and would love
: to have ncftp up on it, but don't know if there is a Linux binary 
: available for it..

: Thanks for any help...

: Please email me if you have any details....


: Mike Strock
: mstrock@eskimo.com

: Mike Strock
: mstrock@eskimo.com

:  * RM 1.4 B0013 * Why are there interstate highways in Hawaii?
:                                                      

I took the 1.75 version as is and it compiled just fine...

Alan Evans

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From: hsuc@msu.edu (Chun Hsu)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 2 Jul 1994 03:00:30 GMT
Reply-To: hsuc@egr.msu.edu

Leo L Turetsky (professor+@CMU.EDU) wrote:
: Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 1-Jul-94 Re: Linux better than
: OS/2 .. by Chun Hsu@msu.edu 
: How old was your linux installation? Your installation sounds ancient.
: It's like a completely different version in OS/2 terms. If your
: installation was ancient and you had to upgrade... whay are you agruing?
: Of course you needed to upgrade.

One year is hardly ancient.  If OS/2 software required yearly updates,
you would complain about that too.  I was replying to your argument:

> Frequent patches being available doesn't mean you should upgrade. If you
> join #linux on irc and type linuxbot: version, you'll get the following
> message:
>     The current version of Linux is 1.0.9. The most recent test kernel
> is 1.1.24.

> Notice the words test kernel.

Again, I was pointing out the fact the upgrades are necessary under
Linux.  More so than I had originally expected.  It's not like I
was trying to run some obscure software package.  It was Mosaic.
Under your argument that no patch is free unless it's sent to
you, this upgrade cost me a fortune!

: > > Linux is free. All applications are compelling. It wasn't designed to be
: > > used in the office, and yet there are plenty of companied who do so.
: > > OS/2 is broken; the only thing you depend on it to do is not be
: > > compatible (like Linux) and cost money (not like Linux). SCO is SCO.
: >  
: > > -Leo
: >  
: > All applications are compelling?  I am not sure what you mean by
: > that.  Please stop driveling about OS/2 being broken.  There are
: > satisfied and unsatisfied OS/2 users.  There are satisifed and
: > unsatisified Linux users.  Your extreme bias against OS/2 only
: > makes your arguments more ineffective.

: Anything that is free and comes with source and does even half of what I
: want it to do, is compelling to me. There's a russian saying, "there are
: many horses in Russia." That is what your paragraph reminds me of. The
: fact that you had a moot point to start and continued to elaborate on it
: my providing your ancient Linux as an example, makes your argument
: ineffective, period.

: -Leo

Calling my Linux installation "ancient" makes for a poor excuse.
It's not 5 years old, not 3, not 2, just 1 year old.

--
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 Chun Hsu                                     E-mail: hsuc@egr.msu.edu   
 Masters of Science
 Electrical Engineering                       Michigan State University
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From: quandt@cs.umr.edu (Brian Quandt)
Subject: compat of cdrom (scsi)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 05:25:34 GMT

Looking for a cdrom drive that is compatable with linux (standard
scsi, no cheap imitations), and is also capable of mode 2 form 2
reading.  That is something that can also read green book disks like those
produced for CD-I (philips) or the new VCD (white book) disks.
Yeah, I know that linux can't support this yet... but give me
a bit, actually if someone already has hacedked the code to add inthe
modem 2 form 2 stuff, please save me the time of mod'ing the code.

Brian


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