Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #362
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sun, 3 Jul 94 01:16:12 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #362, Volume #2                 Sun, 3 Jul 94 01:16:12 EDT

Contents:
  Re: BT445S explodes & takes out HD (Bob Kupiec)
  Re: slipstuff.tgz -- Scripts for SLIPping up (Frank Lofaro)
  does Daimond Stealth64 (s3_964) work ? (Peter Wassink)
  Re: [Q] 4 IDE Controller Cards (Brian Dowling)
  Re: SLIP sessions HANGING (Xiaoguang Zhang)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Lulu of the lotus-eaters)
  Parallel port Conner backups, are there any drivers? (Christer Weinigel)
  Adaptec AHA 1522A (las@light-house.uucp)
  Re: commercial software available (Cameron L. Spitzer)
  Re: Linux 68K Assembler/Simulator (Donald Jeff Dionne)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Chun Hsu)
  Re: What would you buy for a dream linux system? (Craig Milo Rogers)
  Problem with Info not being able to find top nodes? (Steve DuChene)
  Re: DOSEMU and ANSI.SYS (Steven Whitlatch)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Chun Hsu)
  Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2) (mibo@isi026.isi.kfa-juelich.de)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (mibo@isi026.isi.kfa-juelich.de)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (David Charlap)
  Re: Compressed linux on CD??? (Patrick J. Volkerding)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (David Charlap)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (David Charlap)

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Crossposted-To: comp.periphs.scsi,sci.electronics
From: kupiec@tigger.jvnc.net (Bob Kupiec)
Subject: Re: BT445S explodes & takes out HD
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 02:04:27 GMT

In <1994Jun27.181118.8245@tigger.jvnc.net>, kupiec@tigger.jvnc.net writes:
>I did some poking around on both the BT445S card and the MC4110S.
>Here's what I found:
>
>On the BT445S:
>o SCSI pin 26 (TERMPWR) is shorted to GND on SCSI BUS.
>o SCSI pin 26 seems to connect to the failed resistor and cap.
>
>On the MC4110S:
>o SCSI bus is *NOT* shorted out.
>o Fuse on 4110S mainboard is blown.  This fuse leads to pin 26 (TERMPWR)
>  on SCSI bus.
>
>I have removed the application of TERMPWR from the CDROM to the BUS.
>The HD DOES apply +5 to the SCSI BUS.
>The BT445S also DOES apply +5 to the SCSI BUS.
>
>Is setup OK?  Can I remove the +5 to SCSI bus from the HD?  My friend
>has this same setup, shall I warn him before his card blow

I spoke with Buslogic tech support and they said it's OK to have
multiple devices supplying TERMPWR to the bus.  They recommend to
people who are having SCSI problems that only the card supply TERMPWR.

As I set this up again, I am only letting the card supply TERMPWR as a
precaution.

I'd like to thank everyone who responded to my post.  With any luck,
the card won't short itself out again. ;-|

-- 
Bob Kupiec  (HAM: N3MML) Phone: 609-897-7319             JvNC (GES, Inc.)
Network Operations            & 800-35-TIGER x7319      3 Independence Way
Email: kupiec@jvnc.net    Fax : 609-897-7310            Princeton, NJ 08540

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From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: Re: slipstuff.tgz -- Scripts for SLIPping up
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 94 05:32:32 GMT

In article <2uta1a$qq1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> choltje@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Christian Holtje) writes:
>lellis@dmccorp.com (John Lellis) writes:
>[ Mentions lack of the actual script ]
>
>Yeah. It was pretty embarassing. *sigh*
>It's fixed... it's called slipscript-1.0.1.tgz now.... 
>
>       -Doc
>

I guess you slipped up!
Don't sweat it, making software packages can be a slippery business!
Sometimes it seems things are slip sliding away.

:) :) :)


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From: pwassink@knoware.nl (Peter Wassink)
Subject: does Daimond Stealth64 (s3_964) work ?
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 21:18:51 GMT

Does anyone try the Stealth 64 Svga Local bus adapter with X :

I did buy one and it does a nice job under DOS & windows, but i did'nt 
get it working under Xwindows yet ..

if excists pse mail me a working config or the site where i can get it .

Peter Wassink.

Email pwassink@A1%ursa.gandalf.ca

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From: bdowling@delphi.ccs.neu.edu (Brian Dowling)
Subject: Re: [Q] 4 IDE Controller Cards
Date: 01 Jul 1994 06:35:15 GMT
Reply-To: bdowling@ccs.neu.edu

>>>>> "Charles" == Charles B Martin <cbmartin@whale.st.usm.edu> writes:

Charles> If this is a stupid question or is in a FAQ somewhere, just slap me
Charles> and show me the light (or where I can get it)......

Charles> Will Linux work with an IDE controller that controls 4 IDE hard
Charles> drives and be able to access/recognize drives 3 and 4 (E: and F:)?
Charles> I'm just curious.  Exploring upgrade options, really.

Yes, it should work just fine.  Since most of those controllers, like the one
I have, represents the four hardrives as two to the system, masking the fact
that there are two in each set.  I don't think Linux shouldn't notice the
difference.  You just have to be certain that your BIOS setup corresponds to
what the 'smart card' is representing the hard drives as; the card I have sets
the BIOS information itself.

Charles> Thanks.  Chuck Martin <cbmartin@whale.st.usm.edu> 

No Problem, Hope that helps.

...brian

Now only if I could get my Summit IDE Tape backup to work with linux... :)

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From: zhang@gmsds.ms.ornl.gov (Xiaoguang Zhang)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: SLIP sessions HANGING
Date: 1 Jul 94 02:53:16 GMT

James Ivey (jive@indirect.com) wrote:
  The 
: odd thing about the behaviour is that when the connection hangs, the 
: modem lights say there is _no_ data coming in, but it still shows outgoing 
: data (which, contrary to what I said in the previous sentence, sounds 
: more like a problem with the SLIP/PPP implementation :).  Maybe some bad 
: control sequence is sent during a large burst of data telling the other 
: end to buffer for a second, then never telling it to continue?  Wish I 
: knew something about networking :/ 

:      Jim

I thought it was my Supra modem. I'm using Linux 1.0.8 and am having a
similar problem (also with 1.0.0 and 0.99pl13). For me the
connection doesn't really hang, it just gets really slow, with a 
transmission every few minutes or so, and nothing in between. The modem
shows no data received during the time it's "hung", but still sends data.
Changing modem settings, error corretions on/off, or SLIP/CSLIP or MTU
setting does not make any difference. The peculiar thing is that for
each connection (telnet or ftp) it always works fine for the first few
minutes, then it slows down to a crawl. I can go to a different VC and
start another connection and it is would be fine for the first few
minutes again. I glad others are also seeing this. Now I hope someone
can fix it.

Alan, can your give me some instruction on how to do a trace? I'd be
willing to do it but don't have a single clue.

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From: quilty@twain.ucs.umass.edu (Lulu of the lotus-eaters)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 1 Jul 94 02:25:55 GMT

Leo L Turetsky (professor+@CMU.EDU) wrote:
: > Linux on CD \approx DM 80.00 < OS/2 on CD = DM 99.00. The relation
: > still holds, but the difference is smaller.

: Huh? Netcom costs $20 a month. Cleveland FreeNet is just that, free. My
: university can pay whatever they want... my tuition won't go down the
: $80 you claim it costs if I don't have this access. Besides, InfoMagic
: (I think) is offering 2 CDs for under $20. I.e. equation still holds.

Believe it or not, some people don't live in Cleveland.  I don't know if 
they give accounts to out-of-towners, but then I'd be looking at 
long-distance charges to download Linux - which could add up to quite a 
bit for multi-megabytes at 9600 (especially with weekly updates).  The 
cheapest Linux CD I've seen is around $30, though $20 is conceivable 
AFAIK.  Still, I got OS/2 (4windoze) for $40.  Sure OS/2 comes out a 
little more expensive, but it doesn't quite break even *my* budget (as a 
very poor underemployed grad-student).

This isn't to say that Linux doesn't have advantages over OS/2.  I've 
been continually tempted by it.  But since I don't currently have the 
option of (affordable) TCP/IP access anyway, one major advantage is 
gone.  Although I don't speak first hand, my guess is that Linux doesn't 
do as good a job of running all my old familiar DOS apps as OS/2 does, 
which is a big disadvantage for me perfectly.  I also *really* strongly 
suspect that Linux would wind up requiring even more work for initial 
installation than OS/2 did (which was absolutely monstrous!).  Both 
obviously have some real advantages and disadvantages, rather than simply 
one being better than the other (however, both are unambiguously better 
than Winodze :;-)).

Yorus, Lulu...
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From: y93chrwe@odalix.ida.liu.se (Christer Weinigel)
Subject: Parallel port Conner backups, are there any drivers?
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 21:35:00 GMT

I own a Conner 250MB parallel (how many L's are there supposed
to be in this word by the way, and where) tape backup.
Is there any drives in linux for this tape backup?
If yes, where can I find it. If no, does anyone have any information
on how it works? I would be quite willing to write a driver of my own.

  /Christer Weinigel

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From: las@light-house.uucp
Subject: Adaptec AHA 1522A
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 19:53:21 GMT
Reply-To: whome!light-house!las@planix.com

Hi,

Sorry if this is an F.A.Q., but is the AHA-1522A supported under Linux?

It is the cheapest SCSI I can lay my hands on at the moment, and I'd like
to make sure it works fine.

 

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From: cls@truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Subject: Re: commercial software available
Date: 30 Jun 94 06:14:42 GMT


FWIW, Fintronic sells Verilog (a standard language for simulating
hardware) for Linux.
Chronologic (a better-known Verilog) told me they'd
make a release for me if I wanted; they use gcc for all their
platforms so it doesn't matter.

Cameron

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From: jeff@ee.ryerson.ca (Donald Jeff Dionne)
Subject: Re: Linux 68K Assembler/Simulator
Date: 3 Jul 1994 00:45:35 GMT

Orhan Unal (unal@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl) wrote:
: In article <2v23me$krs@server.st.usm.edu> seyfarth@whale.st.usm.edu writes:
: >I am looking for a Motorola 68000 assembler and simulator to run
: >under Linux (486 CPU).  We would like to use Linux machines to
: >teach 68000 assembly programming.
: >
: >I read the 68k FAQ and located MS/DOS programs which work fairly
: >well, but Linux is preferable.
: >
: >Thanks
: >--
: >Ray Seyfarth                 University of Southern Mississippi
: >seyfarth@whale.st.usm.edu    (601)266-4859

: Today is your lucky day. There is one in dir. "/pub/Linux/apss"
: at sunsite.unc.edu.

or just compile gas --host=i386-linux --target=m68k (or some such silly flag)

: P.S. Don't forget to fix your mail header!


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From: hsuc@msu.edu (Chun Hsu)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 3 Jul 1994 01:03:26 GMT
Reply-To: hsuc@egr.msu.edu

Leo L Turetsky (professor+@CMU.EDU) wrote:
: Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 2-Jul-94 Re: Linux better than
: OS/2 .. by Chun Hsu@msu.edu 
: > One year is hardly ancient.  If OS/2 software required yearly updates,
: > you would complain about that too.  I was replying to your argument:

: No, one year is ancient when talking about an OS that gets a new beta
: kernal each week. I've gone from 1.1.18 to 1.1.24 in this last month. If
: your kernel is still .99.?? I don't even want to hear about your Mosaic
: problems because they are entirely your fault for not keeping up. If
: OS/2 had yearly updates, maybe IBM would have gotten it right by now.
      
If OS/2 required yearly updates to run major applications,
there would be an uproar from users.  This is especially
true when you consider that IBM has a lot of major corporate
accounts.  Even though large corporations have the staff
to perform upgrades, it still costs them a lot of money to
do so.  Once again, IMHO, OS/2 and Linux cater to different
kinds of users.  Some users may end up in both camps.  Still
many of the arguments made in this thread don't take this
into consideration.

: > Calling my Linux installation "ancient" makes for a poor excuse.
: > It's not 5 years old, not 3, not 2, just 1 year old.

: Your installation IS ancient. You're a master's student in ECE, why
: don't you understant that the computer industry changes with the blink
: of an eye?

: -Leo

After speaking to another Linux user, I concede one year may
be a long time for Linux.  Ironically, I am now fairly certain
that I re-installed in March, but that is besides the point.

Of course I understand how fast the computer industry changes.
Still for the OS'es I am familiar with, DOS/Windows and OS/2, 
a year is nothing.  For these OS'es, it would probably be
fatal to require upgrades on a yearly (or shorter) basis.

--
===========================================================================
 Chun Hsu                                     E-mail: hsuc@egr.msu.edu   
 Masters of Science
 Electrical Engineering                       Michigan State University
===========================================================================

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From: rogers@drax.isi.edu (Craig Milo Rogers)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: What would you buy for a dream linux system?
Date: 1 Jul 94 02:34:40 GMT

In article <2uuv8p$1cg@Sneezy.net.ut.ee> elmer@Sneezy.net.ut.ee (Elmer Joandi) writes:
>I have , for a long time, hold opinion, that  2 smaller (10ms) IDEs are faster
>than one big (say 9 ms) under unix as server. Am I right ?  I have problaly
>to make Linux server out of things we have - I suppose 2 210 MBMB 13ms runs
>faster than  one 420 12ms.

        If you are sequentially accessing two different files, and not
doing any other disk I/O, and if the two different files are on
different IDE drives, then you'll win compared to a single IDE.
Otherwise, the benefits of two standard IDE drives aren't as great as
one might hope, because the IDE drives can't seek in parallel.

                                        Craig Milo Rogers

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From: s0017210@cc.ysu.edu (Steve DuChene)
Subject: Problem with Info not being able to find top nodes?
Date: 30 Jun 1994 07:54:33 GMT

        I have Slackware 1.2.0 installed on my system and when I try to
        use the Info program to look at documentation I get an error
        message from the info program that says:
        Sorry, unable to find the node "Top" in the file "make".        
        when I am in the main menu and use "m" to try and access a menu
        item. Then I type the title of the node I want to go to and I get
        the above message for most (but not all) of the nodes listed in the
        main menu. I checked the files listed in the menu listing and they
        are there and seem to have "Top" lines in the relevant files. 
        Does anyone have any idea what causes this and what I can do to 
        fix it?
-- 
| sduchene@cis.ysu.edu  or  s0017210@cc.ysu.edu  Steven A. DuChene  
| Youngstown State University  | Computer Science / Math / Mech. Eng.
|They all laughed at Albert Einstein. They all laughed at Columbus. 
|Unfortunately, they also all laughed at Bozo the Clown. 

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From: swhitlat@white.nmt.edu (Steven Whitlatch)
Subject: Re: DOSEMU and ANSI.SYS
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 1994 01:51:22 GMT

In article <Cryz4L.EI@pe1chl.ampr.org>, rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen) writes:
|> In <1994Jun23.233651.227@orca.drep.dnd.ca> rusk@orca.drep.dnd.ca (Raymond Rusk) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1994Jun23.230705.226@orca.drep.dnd.ca>, rusk@orca.drep.dnd.ca (Raymond Rusk) writes:
|> >> I presume that the latest versions of DOSEMU still do not
|> >> support ANSI.SYS.  



        No, no.  I am using the plain old ms-dos ansi.sys
        with the latest public release of dosemu (.52 ?)
        and ansi.sys is working fine, no problems.

        Steve Whitlatch
        swhitlat@prism.nmt.edu



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From: hsuc@msu.edu (Chun Hsu)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 3 Jul 1994 01:15:04 GMT
Reply-To: hsuc@egr.msu.edu

Leo L Turetsky (professor+@CMU.EDU) wrote:
: Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 2-Jul-94 Re: Linux better than
: OS/2 .. by Chun Hsu@msu.edu 
: > Do you really find it that hard to believe that many
: > users find OS/2 stable?  No flames intended.

: No I don't. I find it hard to believe that OS/2 users don't want to hear
: about the problems in OS/2 because that means they have to step out of
: their own little world.

Sorry, I am not a little OS/2 geek with an obsession.
As I said before, I use and admire OS/2 AND Linux.  There
are lots of problems with OS/2.  However, they are not 
encountered by every user.  I use OS/2 heavily and find
it very stable.  That INCLUDES device drivers and such.
Of course I have had problems.  Nothing critical for me though.
I run DOS games and Windows applications with few problems,
less so than under DOS/Windows.  To this day, I am still
amazed at some of the things OS/2 can do.

It does nothing for you to stereotype all OS/2 users
as disillusioned.  Even if that isn't the word you use,
that is the impression I get.  There are idiotic and
intelligent OS/2 users.  There are idiotic and intelligent
Linux users.

--
===========================================================================
 Chun Hsu                                     E-mail: hsuc@egr.msu.edu   
 Masters of Science
 Electrical Engineering                       Michigan State University
===========================================================================

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From: mibo@isi026.isi.kfa-juelich.de
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2)
Date: 30 Jun 94 07:56:08 GMT
Reply-To: mibo@isi026.isi.kfa-juelich.de

In <oi4QEqS00WB_ICTGEj@andrew.cmu.edu>, professor+@CMU.EDU (Leo L Turetsky) writes:
>This is exceptionally silly. If IBM advertises something and doesn't
>offer it,... it had better send me free diskettes to fix it regardless
>of how much it costs them. After spending money on an OS I would expect
>good customer support. After not paying for Linux, I get customer
>support that's rivals, if not bests, OS/2's. Don't expect me, or any
>other user I'd think, to care how much it costs IBM 'to send us disks'
>if they don't provide what they promise. If you don't see this as a
>problem, I think you should raise your consumer standards.

I totally agree with you. However you have to admit that this is not only the problem
of IBM and OS/2. Sending free bugfix disks to customers is an absolutely extraordinary
thing to do for software companies. How much and for which products did you receive some
during the last year? Are all other commercial apps that you use bug free?

---
Michael Bode


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From: mibo@isi026.isi.kfa-juelich.de
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 30 Jun 94 08:01:45 GMT
Reply-To: mibo@isi026.isi.kfa-juelich.de

In <Yi4QOjK00WB_8CTHYv@andrew.cmu.edu>, professor+@CMU.EDU (Leo L Turetsky) writes:
>Simple equation:  Linux = $0.00 < OS/2 = $100.00.

Maybe too simple. What does your university pay for Usenet access? To be fair
one should compare real cost. 

Linux on CD \approx DM 80.00 < OS/2 on CD = DM 99.00. The relation still holds,
but the difference is smaller.

---
Michael Bode


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: david@visix.com (David Charlap)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 18:41:47 GMT

Andrew <ajross@husc10.harvard.edu> wrote:
>
>IBM:  how about a Linux port of the SOM libraries?

It could be done, since IBM has SOM for AIX.  But the package wouldn't
be free.

>WPS under Linux would be heaven.

This would require a bit more than SOM.  It would require extended
attributes in the file system, and APIs to handle INI files.  (Or a
complete rewrite of the SOM object classes that WPS defines)

=====================+========================================================
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david@visix.com      | Visix Software, or of anyone besides myself.
Visix Software, Inc. +--------------------------------------------------------
Member of Team-OS/2  |
=====================+

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From: gonzo@magnet.mednet.net (Patrick J. Volkerding)
Subject: Re: Compressed linux on CD???
Date: 3 Jul 1994 04:30:33 GMT

In article <16d.30061994.0405.0NCB789E@timber.com>,
 <christina.morwood@timber.com> wrote:
>I was wondering if people would be interested in purchasing a CD
>(packed with 600 megs worth of shareware) that also contained a FULL
>compressed version of Linux? I believe the distribution is
>Slackware, but I'll verify that first.  I receive any updates
>made for this distribution directly from the author via satellite.

1. I don't have a satellite. ;^)

2. Everything in Slackware is already compressed, except for the various 
index files that are usually only a couple of K apiece. If you compress 
them again, they'll probably actually grow in size. 

Pat

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: david@visix.com (David Charlap)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 18:53:26 GMT

Colin Dunn <dunnc@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> wrote:
>
>It is true that reverting to the old device driver (with OS/2 2.10)
>fixes the TRAP 0008, but my system is still too unstable, especially
>since OS/2 is supposed to protect memory better than DOS.
>
>It turns out DOS is also unstable on my system many times. Loading
>device drivers high can send my system down in flames when I load
>a DOS-based game (Stunts).

Did it ever occur to you that your hardware may be really shot here?
it's even crashing with DOS!  Either you've got something configured
wrong, or some critical piece of hardware needs replacing.

The fact that DOS drivers crash when loaded into high memory tells me
that you may heve a problem accessing RAM over 1MB.  It could be a
RAM, motherboard, or configuration problem.

>Telix is one of the best-behaved DOS programs I have used. It NEVER
>crashes my system when I am running DOS. It doesn't use any special
>device drivers, though it does expect to access the serial port directly.
>IBM's virtualization of the serial port in OS/2 DOS sessions seems to
>be unstable; serial port accesses should not lock the whole system
>tight. At worst, clashes over the serial port should cause corruption
>of data going across COM1: and/or COM2:.

I've never seen this happen on my system.  I've got a three year old
386/25 system, and it runs all DOS comm programs in the emulator with
no problems.  Before I got the 16550AFN UART on the serial card, I
would have bad download throughput, but I never had any of the
symptoms you're referring to.

I'm using IBM's stock COM/VCOM drivers for this.

BTW, are you sharing interrupts anywhere?  Maybe some other device
driver is grabbing your serial IRQs and that's hanging the system.

=====================+========================================================
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david@visix.com      | Visix Software, or of anyone besides myself.
Visix Software, Inc. +--------------------------------------------------------
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=====================+

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: david@visix.com (David Charlap)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 18:11:04 GMT

Tim Cutts <tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>PM is fundamentally flawed in that internally it is almost identical
>to MS Windows as far as its API is concerned, and this is  probably
>the root of a lot of its problems.

This is not true.  PM and Windows are very different.  PM calls are
completely reentrant and thread-safe, they have completely different
graphic-primative models, and well-written programs written for them
must be structured very differently.

The problem you're referring to is OS/2's single message queue
problem.  That was inherited from Windows, and it is going away
(hopefully soon.)  But even that isn't what I'd call a "fundamental
flaw".  A fundamental flaw would be one that can't be fixed without
rewriting everything from the ground up.  (And IBM did that for the
SMP version of OS/2 - precisely because of the limitations that the
older 16-bit code imposed on multiprocessing operation.)

=====================+========================================================
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david@visix.com      | Visix Software, or of anyone besides myself.
Visix Software, Inc. +--------------------------------------------------------
Member of Team-OS/2  |
=====================+

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    nic.funet.fi				pub/OS/Linux
    tsx-11.mit.edu				pub/linux
    sunsite.unc.edu				pub/Linux

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