Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #360
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Date:     Sat, 2 Jul 94 19:13:08 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #360, Volume #2                 Sat, 2 Jul 94 19:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2) (Leo L Turetsky)
  Problems with GATEWAY 2000 486-66 PCI SYSTEM (Gregory E Gelles)
  Linux counter: There are 6822 registered Linux users (Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no)
  Re: Consumer standards (OS/2 vs. Linux discussed) (Leo L Turetsky)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Leo L Turetsky)
  Re: NETWARE AND LINUX (Rob Janssen)
  Re: [HELP] Minicom just hanging... (Douglas Warren)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Jim Robinson)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Mike Dahmus)
  Re: Consumer standards (OS/2 vs. Linux discussed) (Jim Robinson)
  Compiling MH (was: Re: Word Perfect) (Michael K. Johnson)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Mike Dahmus)

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From: Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2)
Date: Sat,  2 Jul 1994 16:22:00 -0400

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 2-Jul-94 Re: OS/2 and Linux
discusse.. by Matt Austern@physics16.b 
> You know, phrases like "sucks and bites the dust" really aren't all
> that necessary or useful.  Unix does have a lot of very nice features;
> so does OS/2.  One of the reasons I like OS/2 is that in fact it's
> similar enough to Unix so that it's relatively easy to do ports of
> useful Unix utilities.  It's possible to do useful work under both
> operating systems, and it's not necessary to vilify people who have
> chosen a different set of tools than you have.

Wow, so what are advocacy groups for than? You seem to enjoy vilifying
Guido but he is not allowed to vilify OS/2 users. I see. Why you like
OS/2 really has no point in this argument. We are comparing the overall
OS, not your uses of it. I really hate people who post angelic messages
like this (they're all great, why all the fuss?) because all it is, is
poorly designed flamebait.

-Leo

+----------------------------------------------------------+
| Leo Turetsky          |  1) leo@professor.pc.cc.cmu.edu  |
| Sigma Nu              |  2) professor@cmu.edu            |
| 1055 Morewood Ave.    |  Carnegie-Mellon University      |
| Pittsburgh, PA 15213  |  Sophomore, ECE\CS Double Major  |
| (412) 862-2963        |  Nugget: SPIN BHBHY, YAXY?       |
+----------------------esp---------------------------------+


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From: gelles@lisp.cse.psu.edu (Gregory E Gelles)
Subject: Problems with GATEWAY 2000 486-66 PCI SYSTEM
Date: 2 Jul 1994 20:40:44 GMT

I just recently purchased a Gateway 2000  486-66MHz PCI
system and would like to run LINUX on it.  I have a 
Mitsumi CD-ROM drive with it, and purchased the current
linux quarterly on CD-ROM.  From this I tried to install
the Slackware release of linux.  The problem I am 
encountering is that when I try to run FDISK I get an
error:  cannot read /dev/hda  or  /dev/hdb  respectively

I am using the PCI IDE controller that came with the system,
with a MAXTOR 540MB drive and a Western Digital 500MB caviar
drive.

Any help with this problem would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Greg Gelles
gelles@cse.psu.edu

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From: Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no
Subject: Linux counter: There are 6822 registered Linux users
Date: 1 Jul 94 01:00:07 GMT

This is the monthly report from the Linux Usage Counter.
It is posted on the 1st of every month on the newsgroup
comp.os.linux.misc

An uptodate version is always available by anonymous FTP from
ftp://aun.uninett.no/pub/misc/linux-counter, together with other
reports based on the same material.

To enter your registration into the statistics, send an E-mail to
linux-counter@uninett.no, with the SUBJECT line being one of

  I use Linux at home
  I use Linux at work
  I use Linux at school

The reply will contain information about how to register more
information about yourself, your machine and your friends, if you
want to.

If you can't do FTP, you can get the reports by sending the counter
an E-mail containing in the BODY one of the lines

//REPORT short
//REPORT persons
//REPORT machines
//HELP

Any questions should be adressed to the maintainer of the counter,
Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no

Good luck!

=================================================================
Status of the Linux counter, as of Fri Jul  1 00:02:40 MET DST 1994

There are 6822 registered Linux users


PLACES WHERE LINUX IS USED
==========================
 Self Other   Sum %Sum  Place
 5154    70  5224  75% home
 1642    40  1682  24% work
  174   510   684   9% school
  480    51   531   7% somewhere
   57     0    57   0% not used
==========================
 6215   664  6879 100% TOTAL

NOTE: Some people use Linux in multiple places, so the total is not
the sum of the columns.

COUNTRIES WHERE LINUX IS USED
=============================
      Country                    Self Other   Sum  MPop Linux/M
===============================================================
 1 is Iceland                      12     0    12     0.3  47.2
 2 fi Finland                     201     0   201     5.0  40.2
 3 no Norway                      131     0   131     4.3  30.5
 4 dk Denmark                      95     1    96     5.1  18.6
 5 nl Netherlands                 273     0   273    14.9  18.3
 6 se Sweden                      145     0   145     8.6  16.9
 7 au Australia                   230     4   234    17.1  13.5
 8 de Germany                     963    11   974    79.1  12.2
 9 at Austria                      88    11    99     7.6  11.6
10 ca Canada                      291    17   308    26.6  10.9
11 us USA                        2517    48  2565   249.6  10.1
12 ch Switzerland                  66     0    66     6.7   9.9
13 si Slovenia                     18     1    19     2.0   9.2
14 ie Ireland                      22     0    22     3.5   6.3
15 gb Great Britain               348     7   355    57.2   6.1
16 lu Luxembourg                    2     0     2     0.4   5.1
17 be Belgium                      50   506   556     9.9   5.1
18 nz New Zealand                  17     2    19     3.4   5.0
19 ee Estonia                       7     4    11     1.6   4.4
20 fr France                      218    14   232    56.2   3.9
21 il Israel                       17     0    17     6.3   2.7
22 hk Hong Kong                    15     0    15     5.9   2.5
23 sg Singapore                     6     0     6     2.7   2.2
24 pt Portugal                     14     2    16    10.3   1.4
25 gr Greece                       13     0    13    10.1   1.3
26 cr Costa Rica                    4     0     4     3.1   1.3
27 hr Croatia                       6     0     6     4.8   1.3
28 it Italy                        72     0    72    57.7   1.2
29 hu Hungary                      13     0    13    10.5   1.2
30 za South Africa                 33     0    33    30.2   1.1
31 es Spain                        40     0    40    39.5   1.0
32 tw Taiwan                       20     0    20    20.3   1.0
33 cl Chile                        13     0    13    13.5   1.0
34 cz Czech Rebublic                9     0     9    10.0   0.9
35 na Namibia                       1     0     1     1.5   0.7
36 jp Japan                        79     0    79   123.3   0.6
37 pl Poland                       15     8    23    38.4   0.4
38 sk Slovakia                      2     1     3     5.4   0.4
39 lb Lebanon                       1     0     1     3.6   0.3
40 ro Romania                       6     0     6    23.2   0.3
41 ve Venezuela                     5     0     5    20.1   0.2
42 kr Korea (South)                 8     0     8    43.1   0.2
43 bg Bulgaria                      1     0     1     8.8   0.1
44 by Belarus                       1     0     1    10.4   0.1
45 su Soviet Union (former)        14     3    17   147.4   0.1
46 ar Argentine                     3     0     3    32.7   0.1
47 co Colombia                      3     0     3    34.3   0.1
48 ua Ukraine                       4     0     4    51.9   0.1
49 cs Czechoslovakia (former)       1     0     1    15.7   0.1
50 br Brazil                       10     3    13   158.2   0.1
51 mx Mexico                        5     3     8    81.4   0.1
52 my Malaysia                      1     0     1    18.0   0.1
53 th Thailand                      3     0     3    57.6   0.1
54 xe Europe (Somewhere in it)     11     0    11   320.0   0.0
55 ph Philippines                   2     0     2    68.5   0.0
56 in India                         5     0     5   844.0   0.0
57 xx Unknown                       5    18    23  5000.0   0.0
58 xw The World (Somewhere in i     3     0     3  5000.0   0.0

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From: Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer standards (OS/2 vs. Linux discussed)
Date: Sat,  2 Jul 1994 16:30:08 -0400

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 2-Jul-94 Re: Consumer
standards (OS/.. by Chun Hsu@msu.edu 
> Leo L Turetsky (professor+@CMU.EDU) wrote:
> : > First of all, let me point out that no OS is even close to
> : > being bug free.  Many OS/2 users have stated that OS/2
> : > is extremely stable for them.  Others get Trap errors every
> : > few hours.  Likewise, there are differing opinions on Linux.
> : > I myself get occasion lockups from either tin or Openlook.
>  
> : But the problems in Linux are easily solved. Delete the OS and go to
> : Windblows or something. Didn't cost anything.
>  
> The same can also be said of OS/2.  IBM has a return policy
> on it.  I could have returned OS/2 2.0 & 2.1 if I wanted to.
> You should have been able to also.

But I had to dish out the money in the first place. This is silly. My
point is about me specifically, your's is about all people. I concede.
  
> : > So, given that there are bugs in every operating system as well
> : > as application software, who should pay for the patches that
> : > are necessary?  I have never received a patch for free from
> : > any software or hardware vendor.  It's doubtful that I am
>  
> : I get new drivers from SoundBlaster, ATI, and NEC continously. If you
> : don't, complain.
>  
> Serious question, no flames:  how about software?

I got a free disk from AutoCAD recently. Okay, that's expensive stuff. I
also got a disk from USR. Hardware. I also got a series of disks from
WordPerfect last year. My printer wasn't supported. I called. They
Overnight FedExed me not just a printer driver, but a whole new release
of WP 5.1. Sound better. I get patches for free. Like I said, demand
better from your software and hardware frims.
  
> : > the only one.  So why set different standards for IBM and
> : > OS/2?  If and when it becomes the norm in the software industry
> : > to send free fixes, I will demand the same for OS/2.  When
> : > you consider how low OS/2 is priced, it doesn't seem
> : > reasonable at all to expect IBM to send 20+ disks to each user.
>  
> : It doens't seem reasonable to make users pay for a broken OS and then
> : not fix it for them for free either.
>  
> Return it.  That's what return policies are for.  OS/2 was
> broken for you, but not for many others.

Incorrect. It was broken for many others. There was also a high
proportion of people who liked it... but there were a lot of people who
didn't.
  
> : > For my $70 investment in OS/2 2.1, I expect technical support
> : > for free.  I also expect that IBM will make patches available
> : > and not try to profit from them.  I have been satisfied on
> : > both cases.
>  
> : Are you kidding? A disk costs .25 and to ship it to your house costs
> : 2.00 at most. How much is a patch from OS/2 by mail? I highly doubt it
> : is 2.25.
>  
> I assume you are referring to IBM sending a single
> patch for a specific problem, i.e., one diskette?
>  
> Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I have heard many OS/2
> users say that they did indeed receive free patches by mail
> when contacting IBM technical support.  Not the entire CSD,
> just specific patches.  Come to think of it, IBM offered to send
> a free patch by for a problem I had quite a while ago.  Since
> I had ftp access, I told them it was unnecessary.  I do agree
> that free patches for specific problems are reasonable.
> Especially for things such as bad device drivers.  Can
> any confirm whether or not IBM has an official policy
> on this?
>  
> If that is what you meant all along, my sincere apologies for the
> mistunderstanding.  I have wasted a lot of bandwidth arguing 
> this point.

We've settled this then. Wow, advocacy groups work.
  
> I don't agree that IBM should send entire CSD's for free.

This is where I disagree. They should fix everything, regardless of
whether you use it or not. You paid for not using the broken drivers.
  
> : > Of course there is the argument that the software is too
> : > buggy in the first place.  Somone earlier stated that OS/2
> : > is "broken" and should never have been released.  Fine, vote
> : > with your pocketbooks and "return" it.  If the product is
> : > that bad, it will die a horrible death in the markeplace. 
> : > Obviously, many user have already voted on OS/2, and the
> : > results are pretty good. 
>  
> : Many users jumped on the OS/2 bandwagon before they knew what was wrong
> : with it. Now it's too late and they must live with it. No one made the
> : argument that software is too buggy in the first place. You did. And
> : it's a dumb argument. Does this mean software should never be released?
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> : -Leo
>  
> I agree.  Unfortunately, I confused you with another anti-OS/2
> advocate who said that OS/2 should never have been released.
> My apologies.

Deal.

-Leo

+----------------------------------------------------------+
| Leo Turetsky          |  1) leo@professor.pc.cc.cmu.edu  |
| Sigma Nu              |  2) professor@cmu.edu            |
| 1055 Morewood Ave.    |  Carnegie-Mellon University      |
| Pittsburgh, PA 15213  |  Sophomore, ECE\CS Double Major  |
| (412) 862-2963        |  Nugget: SPIN BHBHY, YAXY?       |
+----------------------esp---------------------------------+


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From: Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Sat,  2 Jul 1994 16:33:14 -0400

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 2-Jul-94 Re: Linux better than
OS/2 .. by Chun Hsu@msu.edu 
> Do you really find it that hard to believe that many
> users find OS/2 stable?  No flames intended.

No I don't. I find it hard to believe that OS/2 users don't want to hear
about the problems in OS/2 because that means they have to step out of
their own little world.
  
> : I want fixes that are free to everyone... not to people with FTP access.
> : If I pay for software I expect it to be supported to me at no cost until
> : it does what it was rpomised to do.
>  
> I certainly would not mind if this became the standard
> in the software industry.  My impression was that most
> companies are moving away from this if anything.  Didn't 
> WordPerfect recently start charging for phone support or
> at least consider it?

I don't know. WP did a hell of a lot for me just recently.

-Leo

+----------------------------------------------------------+
| Leo Turetsky          |  1) leo@professor.pc.cc.cmu.edu  |
| Sigma Nu              |  2) professor@cmu.edu            |
| 1055 Morewood Ave.    |  Carnegie-Mellon University      |
| Pittsburgh, PA 15213  |  Sophomore, ECE\CS Double Major  |
| (412) 862-2963        |  Nugget: SPIN BHBHY, YAXY?       |
+----------------------esp---------------------------------+


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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: NETWARE AND LINUX
Date: 30 Jun 94 22:47:38 GMT
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl

In <2uukp2$jkj@sundog.tiac.net> orondo@cyways.com (Peter O Orondo) writes:

>I am looking for a way to make linux receive IPX packets from a 
>netware file server. I badly need advice, where can I start? Are there
>packages out there to do this? I know Linux supports IPX, I need to know
>how to get them talking.

For an example, look in the dosemu 0.52 sources

>Can I also know of where I can find sources for linux IPX support.

In the kernel sources (/usr/src/linux, usually)

Rob
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| Rob Janssen                | AMPRnet:   rob@pe1chl.ampr.org           |
| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl     | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU     |
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From: dwarren@libws4.ic.sunysb.edu (Douglas Warren)
Subject: Re: [HELP] Minicom just hanging...
Date: 2 Jul 1994 13:24:14 GMT

Cyrill Vatomsky (cyrillv@netcom.com) wrote:
: WORLD CUP '94 (phuynh@eeyore.stcloud.msus.edu) wrote:
: : Hi, wizards,
: : I am currently running Linux 1.0.8 and Minicom (with the package
: : Linux, I am not sure the version of it).
: : I just wonder why minicom just hung me waiting when I trying to dial
: : up to my school modem (DEC/ULTRIX).
: : My modem is from Practiacal Peripheral PM14400FXMT.  
: : Could you give me some hint to setup or configure the proper way
: : for Minicom?  
: : (I am now trying to install  Pcomm v. 2.04.  I get it worked once
: : and that is it.  I couldn't get Pcomm worked second time.  I am fairly
: : new to Linux, thus I don't know which files I should set up or ...)
: : =-=-=-==-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
:  My initial knee-jerk reaction will be to check your modem settings.
: In particular those that trace DCR-DTR. After that try simply cat >
: /dev/modem (or whatever device name is) and type ath1. If you hear the
: tone, try ath0, exit cat and do it again. If this time you do not
: hear anything, I would suspect modem configuration. 
: BTW, more info would have been helpful. (like ext/int modem, what is
: actually happening - do you hear tone, connect noise, etc)

I'm having a similar problem with my PM288HCIIV.FC (Damn thats a big model
number/name!)  It's an internal modem/fax on com port 4 or 3 (cua 3 or 2)
It hangs on both with minicom.  If I runn setserial first it drops about
10% of characters even at 2400.  There is also a digiboard 8 in the system
on IRQ 3, that works flawlessly with 8 sportsters.  At first I thought 
IRQ conflict, but the only other thing on that IRQ normally is a dumb
terminal.  Then I considered CTS/RTS but that shouldn't cause problems at
2400...  I'm at a lost to why it doesn't work...

--
     Douglas ``Wildcat'' Warren
     dwarren@ic.sunysb.edu <---- Preferred
     root@wtp.linet.org
     dwarren@sunysb.edu

"No Matter Where You Go There You Are" -- Buckaroo Banzai
"We Bash Our Way To Glory" -- L. Ron Hubbard _Battlefield_Earth_
"There Can Be Only One!" -- The Kurgan, Ramirez, Connor MacLeod _Highlander_
"BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH BEER!!!" -- Pete Redko

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From: jimr@shorty.cs.wisc.edu (Jim Robinson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 2 Jul 1994 21:02:45 GMT

In article <2v2or8$lrr@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> hsuc@egr.msu.edu writes:
[...]
>I truly hope that I am wrong and that most companies send
>users patches for free.  However, it has not happened for
>me yet.  I am curious, does anyone know which companies
>"send" patches for free and which ones don't.  Is it really
>the norm for better companies or just for more expensive
>products?  I suspect the latter.
[...]

WordPerfect.  I have recieved 3 sets of patchs over the years since I
bought it (v5.1).  I bet there are quite a few other companies that do
it, and you don't see me complaining about them.  

And the point about Linux not having free patchs does not count
against the argument.  OS/2 cost money to to USE, Linux costs
distribution, however you can get it, it is the cost of getting the
software from point a to point b in a media you can use.  Not the case
with OS/2.  I *can't* complain that Linus should send me free patchs
via the mail (A: he lets me use it for free, B: he never made false
advertisments about it), I *can* do it about OS/2 because they sold me
a product and made certain claims about it.  Note that if I paid for
Linux, and the person whom I bought it from said it could run DOS
applications very well, and had windows support I would be very mad
about what it turned out to be.


Jim

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From: miked@news.gate.net (Mike Dahmus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 2 Jul 1994 17:14:51 -0400

In article <Qi5QRB200YUnIBTZ0w@andrew.cmu.edu> Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 2-Jul-94 Re: Linux better than
>OS/2 .. by Chun Hsu@msu.edu 
>> By your own reasoning, patches for Linux are not free.  Even
>> worse, Linux now costs money to obtain.
>
>What? How is Linux not free if you have Internet access? By my own
>reasoning Linux patches are not free, sure, but show me people who use
>Linux everyday, with no other OS, and don't have Internet access.
>Internet and Linux go hand in hand... you can't have one without the
>other. I had OS/2 before I had Internet access. I no longer have OS/2.

Whenever someone complains about the difficulty of getting, and installing
linux, linux advocates always point to the companies that supposedly package
installations of linux on cd-roms or diskettes.

Now you're claiming these companies don't exist? You can't have it both ways.

Either fixes distributed via internet count as "free" for all operating
systems, or they count for none of them.
-- 
Mike Dahmus                       Curator, rec.sport.football Hall o' Bait 
miked@gate.net                                     also miked@vnet.ibm.com
Please don't vote me new Kibo!     "Something must be BROKEN here at IBM!" 

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From: jimr@shorty.cs.wisc.edu (Jim Robinson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer standards (OS/2 vs. Linux discussed)
Date: 2 Jul 1994 21:18:09 GMT

In article <2v32r7$uia@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> hsuc@egr.msu.edu writes:
>
>I assume you are referring to IBM sending a single
>patch for a specific problem, i.e., one diskette?
>
>Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I have heard many OS/2
>users say that they did indeed receive free patches by mail
>when contacting IBM technical support.  Not the entire CSD,
>just specific patches.  Come to think of it, IBM offered to send
>a free patch by for a problem I had quite a while ago.  Since
>I had ftp access, I told them it was unnecessary.  I do agree
>that free patches for specific problems are reasonable.
>Especially for things such as bad device drivers.  Can
>any confirm whether or not IBM has an official policy
>on this?
>
>If that is what you meant all along, my sincere apologies for the
>mistunderstanding.  I have wasted a lot of bandwidth arguing 
>this point.

This is grand!  i called up OS/2 tech support and said "I have this
problem with the Windows support, it does blah and crashes my machine
when I run my word processor."  and I also had a problem with the
printer driver.  I was not offered a free patch:

        Techie: "Oh yeah, that was fixed in the CSD, go buy it." 
        Me: "It costs WHAT?"

I bought it, installed it, booted it...  Windows problem was still
there. You can imagine my pleasure. (but hey, they DID fix the
printer, so know if only I could get my word processor running in a
stable mode, I could print...)

A month later I met a guy who knew unix, and started asking if he knew
about any free Unix clones. "Well, I've heard about something called
Linux..."


Jim

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From: johnsonm@merengue.oit.unc.edu (Michael K. Johnson)
Subject: Compiling MH (was: Re: Word Perfect)
Date: 1 Jul 94 01:10:28 GMT


In article <1994Jul1.000210.721@newstand.syr.edu> lruppert@iguana.syr.EDU (Ludwig Van.) writes:

   (who still can't get MH to compile with the patches found on sunsite.
   What can be done about _gptr?)

Gee, that's what my September article (Linux Programming Hints) in
Linux Journal is about, more or less...

Read the ChangeLog in the libc source.  Here's a chart that I think is right:
_base  --> _IO_buf_base
_ebuf  --> _IO_buf_end
_gbase (aka _eback?) --> _IO_buf_base
_gptr  --> _IO_read_ptr
_egptr --> _IO_read_end
_pbase --> _IO_write_base
_pptr  --> _IO_write_ptr
_epptr --> _IO_write_end

I'm doing a port of MH a little differently than Brandon did, but it's
on the back burner right now.  It's based on a macro-based abstraction
of the io-frobnication that MH uses for speed.  I've done most of it,
and now I am just waiting for time to finish it off.  Anyone who wants
to finish it off (including spending the time to get the shared
libraries to build straight) should send me mail, and we'll talk.

My article tries to show a mostly-portable way to access private stdio
members regardless of the implementation.  I haven't included afio in
my abstraction, but it could be added by someone who wants to easily
enough.

michaelkjohnson

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From: miked@news.gate.net (Mike Dahmus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 2 Jul 1994 17:26:38 -0400

In article <2v4kll$hth@spool.cs.wisc.edu> jimr@shorty.cs.wisc.edu (Jim Robinson) writes:
>And the point about Linux not having free patchs does not count
>against the argument.  OS/2 cost money to to USE, Linux costs
>distribution, however you can get it, it is the cost of getting the
>software from point a to point b in a media you can use.  Not the case
>with OS/2.  I *can't* complain that Linus should send me free patchs
>via the mail (A: he lets me use it for free, B: he never made false
>advertisments about it), I *can* do it about OS/2 because they sold me
>a product and made certain claims about it.  Note that if I paid for
>Linux, and the person whom I bought it from said it could run DOS
>applications very well, and had windows support I would be very mad
>about what it turned out to be.

All right, I've had about enough of this nonsense.

Post in detailed language exactly what claim IBM made that has been PROVEN
false. Pretend you are in a court of law, trying to prove that IBM has made
false promises to you.

Keep in mind the license agreement in the box, and the return policy.

If you can't provide exacting evidence to support this nonsensical claim,
shut your trap.
-- 
Mike Dahmus                       Curator, rec.sport.football Hall o' Bait 
miked@gate.net                                     also miked@vnet.ibm.com
Please don't vote me new Kibo!     "Something must be BROKEN here at IBM!" 

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