Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #355
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Date:     Sat, 2 Jul 94 08:15:33 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #355, Volume #2                 Sat, 2 Jul 94 08:15:33 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Two Questions: INN and NTP (not NNTP) (Michael O'Reilly)
  Re: [term] Boo-hoo! (Tim Cutts)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Patrick Schaaf)
  Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2) (Tim Cutts)
  Re: <q> PhotoCD and LinuX (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
  Re: <q> PhotoCD and LinuX (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
  Re: <q> PhotoCD and LinuX (Gerd Knorr)
  Re: Again: Serial bidirectional file transfer. (Wolf Paul)
  Re: [Q] Linux WWW Server possible? (Liem Bahneman)
  Re: Future of Debian Linux (Tommy Thorn)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Chun Hsu)
  Re: OS/2 vs. Linux : Stop this discussion! (Ludwig Van.)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Jim Robinson)
  Benchmarking? (Ketil M. Malde)
  Re: Modem speed vs transfer rate (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Storing files on a second harddisk possible? (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Wordperfect and other Dos questions  (Rob Janssen)

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From: michael@iinet.com.au (Michael O'Reilly)
Subject: Re: Two Questions: INN and NTP (not NNTP)
Date: 1 Jul 1994 14:58:19 +0800

Clay Luther (clay@monsta.metronet.com) wrote:
: INN:

: I have followed the instructions for setting up INN in the slackware
: release.  However, I am not receiving any news.  More to the point, I cannot
: locate anything which mentions how to make my machine "ask" for news from my
: server (although I find plenty of discussion about how to "accept" news from
: a server - not exactly the same thing.)

Thats because INND doesn't pickup. It only delivers. What you want it
either
        a) someone else to start pushing you news. this is the normal.
 or 
        b) something like 'slurp' to actually grab news. this is
something you want to avoid it at all possible. In particular, slurp
places a pretty huge load on the system you're grabbing news from.

: Any pointers would be helpful.

: NTP:

: I cannot find a copy of ntpd in the slackware distribution.  I NEED one.  My
: clock apparently loses MINUTES a day.  I haven't been able to find a copy of
: ntpd in the linux archives or, for that matter, anywhere else.
: Archie gives me 
: an error when I look for it.

What you want is 'xntpd'. Something like version 3.3v would be good.
This compiles out of the box. really! If you have REAL problems, you
could grab some binaries from me.


Michael.

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From: tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts)
Subject: Re: [term] Boo-hoo!
Date: 30 Jun 1994 08:05:20 GMT


I don't believe term has anything to do with the GNU project, just for your
information.

Tim.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: bof@wg.saar.de (Patrick Schaaf)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 11:52:06 GMT

wgsohne@flagstaff.Princeton.EDU (Guido Sohne) writes:

>Perhaps there are satisfied OS/2 users.

Wonderful statement. All OS/2 users I know are satisfied.

>First of all that doesn't fix OS/2
>problems. He is not drivelling about OS/2 being broken and I believe he has
>a valid point there. OS/2 *is* broken in several crucial aspects and I'm
>sure you are aware of those.

I'm not. Please be specific. And please keep in mind that there's a load
of free software for OS/2 that you can download from the net.

>I have the strong impression that comp.os.os2.advocacy is full of OS/2 fans
>who detest hearing anything bad about OS/2 however true it may be.

Isn't this the whole idea behind those funny .advocacy groups?

Patrick

(oh, and keep your crap out of comp.os.linux.misc, please. We already know
that Linux is the best.)

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From: tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2)
Date: 30 Jun 1994 08:27:11 GMT

Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU> writes:

>Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 29-Jun-94 Re: OS/2 and Linux
>discusse.. by Tim Cutts@cus.cam.ac.uk 
>> Be fair.  You can get OS/2 on one disk too.  You are comparing the full
>> distribution of OS/2 with a Linux boot/root disk!  The comparison you should
>> have done is OS/2 with Linux base + perl (~REXX) + X + sc + emacs + OpenLook
>> etc etc.  Then you're talking about 20 disks.  Still less than OS/2, I agree,
>> but you weren't being entirely fair.

>Entirely fair my foot. Show me a disk that can install basic OS/2 on
>your hard drive without inserting anither disk. Linux base is one disk.
>X is an addon app. Emacs is entriley unnecessary. OpenLook is unneeded.
>I don't know much about perl and sc but I've been using Linux for a few
>months and haven't run into them once,... so...

OK.  But I can probably do it with two disks.  And you're not listening to me.
I included OpenLook because it is the closest equivalent to Workplace Shell
that Linux has.  Emacs is there because OS/2 also comes with a configurable
editor, EPM.  I am just including the Linux equivalents of what comes with the
full OS/2 distribution.  If you say X is an addon app, I can say Presentation
Manager and WPS is an addon.  Bingo - instantly down to a couple of disks.
How many times do I have to say this? Presentation Manager is not OS/2!

And a one disk installation of Linux can't really do anything, can it?  OK,
you could feasibly make a boot disk with a few TCP/IP clients on it, but you'd
have to remove so much stuff that it would be severely crippled.

Tim.

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Date: Fri, 01 Jul 1994 17:56:47 +0200
From: Eberhard_Moenkeberg@p27.rollo.central.de (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
Subject: Re: <q> PhotoCD and LinuX


Hello Tim Bass and all others,

on 27.06.94 Tim Bass wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX.MISC:

TB> if [ -ok MOUNT A PhotoCD under LINUX ]
TB> then
TB>    Please let me know how to do it
TB>    YES=1
TB> fi
TB>
TB> if [ YES ]
TB> then
TB>    How to read the mounted disk?
TB> fi
TB>
TB> trap 1 2 3 on FLAMEROASTEDREADERS

You are reflecting on "XA format" CDROMs.

Some drives can handle it, others not.

Some drives handle it transparently, some need to get switched
into an other mode and some more things.

Currently, the only driver capable of the latter method is
sbpcd, the driver for the Matsushita/Panasonic drives.

Greetings ... Eberhard


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Date: Fri, 01 Jul 1994 17:46:04 +0200
From: Eberhard_Moenkeberg@p27.rollo.central.de (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
Subject: Re: <q> PhotoCD and LinuX


Hello Gerry Snyder and all others,

on 29.06.94 Gerry Snyder wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX.MISC:

>> Use Hadmut Danisch's hpcdtoppm to convert the images *.pcd to *.ppm
GS>
GS> I have hpcdtoppm, and it works fine with those images it can see.
GS> However, it does not seem to be able to get to images put onto a
GS> PhotoCD in a second session. I guess that the problem is with the
GS> iso9660 filesystem, since xfm can't see the second session either.

The problem is within all linux CDROM drivers except sbpcd.

If you want to fully read a multisession CD under Linux today, you
must get a Panasonic CR-562 or CreativeLabs CR-563 drive.

GS> The problem is not with the drive or controller, since Photostyler
GS> running under lowly windoze can see all the images.

GS> Is there some trick that I am missing, or is a new filesystem needed?
GS> I suspect that it is the latter, and that the matter is not awfully high on
GS> anyone's priority list (not even mine, since I have only one  two-
GS> session disc, but I _am_ curious).

The problem is with the Linux drivers, and only with the drivers.

Greetings ... Eberhard



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From: kraxel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Gerd Knorr)
Subject: Re: <q> PhotoCD and LinuX
Date: 30 Jun 1994 08:36:09 GMT

Gerald.C.Snyder@jpl.nasa.gov (Gerry Snyder) writes:

>In article <2upelt$9qn@RMAIL.urz.tu-dresden.de>, petrick@rcs1.urz.tu-dresden.de (Steffen Petrick) says:
>>
>>In article <2ul0of$g7g@sun.cais.com>, bass@cais.cais.com (Tim Bass) writes:
>>|>      Please let me know how to do it
>>
>>mount -tiso9660 /dev/sr0 /mnt
>>
>>Use Hadmut Danisch's hpcdtoppm to convert the images *.pcd to *.ppm 

>I have hpcdtoppm, and it works fine with those images it can see.
>However, it does not seem to be able to get to images put onto a
>PhotoCD in a second session. I guess that the problem is with the
>iso9660 filesystem, since xfm can't see the second session either.

>The problem is not with the drive or controller, since Photostyler
>running under lowly windoze can see all the images. 

>Is there some trick that I am missing, or is a new filesystem needed?
>I suspect that it is the latter, and that the matter is not awfully high on
>anyone's priority list (not even mine, since I have only one  two-
>session disc, but I _am_ curious).

>Gerry Snyder       Gerald.C.Snyder@jpl.nasa.gov

I wrote a small program what is searching for the last session on a PhotoCD.
Then I patched my kernel (1.1.0) and this works fine with my 4-session CD.
I can't post it now becauce I hav'nt the code here, but if someone is
intrested in, I'll can post is next week.

Gerd

kraxel@cs.tu-berlin.de

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
From: wnp@rcvie.co.at (Wolf Paul)
Subject: Re: Again: Serial bidirectional file transfer.
Reply-To: Wolf.Paul@AAF.Alcatel.AT
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 08:40:08 GMT

In article <2up6q3$sv7@fbi-news.informatik.uni-dortmund.de>, muenx@speedy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Holger Muenx) writes:
|>   Most of my users dial in using a MS-DOS machines running Telemate, Telix,
|> Terminate or some other package. Standard protocols offered by these packages
|> are Zmodem, Ymodem and similar non-birectional protocols for file transfers.
|> However, you can install external protocols like HS/Link which allows
|> bidirectional file transfers.
|> 
|>   Unfortunately, there is no implementation of HS/Link for Linux or other
|> Unices. So I am looking for another birectional file transfer protocol
|> available as source code which runs on Linux, MS-DOS and other platforms.

I am not sure what you mean by "bidirectional" file transfer protocol.
If I am on a DOS machine with a Zmodem option, and connect to a UNIX or LINUX
box with rz/sz available, I can both upload and download (= both directions)
using Zmodem.

Or do you mean something like Kermit Server mode, where one puts the remote
kermit in "server" mode and then can issue "get" and "put" requests on the
local machine? 
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From: roland@cac.washington.edu (Liem Bahneman)
Subject: Re: [Q] Linux WWW Server possible?
Date: 1 Jul 1994 07:39:40 GMT

In article <2us52d$jjn@jac.zko.dec.com> coolidge@zk3.dec.com (Bayard Coolidge USG ZKO3-3/S20) writes:
>
>: fox@otago.ac.nz writes:
>
>: >Hay All,
>: > 
>: >Maybe it is a stupid question, but what is involved in making a Linux box
>: >a WWW *Server* ? I don't exactly know what protocol is involved.. Is it a
>: >a sepparate protocol altogeter, or is it a kind of script running on
>: >top of Telnet or FTP?
>: >Is there a daemon available for it?
>: > 
>: >I would like to setup a wee WWW Server on my system, to have at least a
>: >local 'page'.
>: > 
>-- 

FYI, http://www.linux.org, the Linux Organization's home page, is running 
on a linux box.
- liem

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From: tthorn@ceres.daimi (Tommy Thorn)
Subject: Re: Future of Debian Linux
Date: 30 Jun 1994 08:48:15 GMT
Reply-To: Tommy.Thorn@daimi.aau.dk

Steven Buytaert writes:

> I'll beat you to it... Yggdrasil is the three that connects
> heaven and earth in the Sagas of Northern Europe (Norway).
> If that name breaks your tongue, try the other names from
> there, like 'Mjoilnjir' (ph), the Hamer that Thor uses. If you
> like fancy stuff, the sagas are a great resource :-)
>
> Anyway, someone correct me if I'm wrong...

The mythology are Nordic (which includes Norway, Sweden, Denmark..)

Anyway, here is Q16 from the Beta FAQ (The letter after j in 
Mjxlner is o-slash, a latin1 char)
>Q16) What is Mjxlner, Sif, Valhalla, Bifrost, Yggdrasil, etc.?
>
>Many have wondered about the origins of the strange product names used
>for parts of the Mjxlner BETA System. Due to the origin of the Mjxlner
>BETA System, many of the components of the system bear Nordic
>names. These Nordic names originate from the Nordic Mythology, and are
>thus names within the common cultural background of people in the
>entire Nordic region:
>
>Mjxlner: is the name of the hammer of the god Thor. According to the
>Mythology, this hammer is the perfect tool that cannot fail, that
>grows with the task, and always returns to the hand of Thor if he
>throws it at something. Finally about the pronunciation of
>Mjxlner. For English people the "spelling of the pronunciation" could
>be: "Myolner" or "Myulner", and for French people it could be:
>"Mieulnor".
>
>Yggdrasil: is the name of the Tree of the World, the ash tree of which
>the crown covers the whole world. The tree gets it power from the
>gods, from the evil giants, and from the kingdom of the dead.
>Everything in the world happens under the mighty crown of Yggdrasil.
>Yggdrasil is the name of the metaprogramming system.
>
>Bifrost: is the name of the luminous bridge, the rainbow, that leads
>from Midgaard to Asgaard. Midgaard is the place where the human beings
>live, and Asgaard is the habitat of the Gods in the middle of the
>world. Bifrost is the name of the graphics system.
>
>Valhalla: is the name of Odin's hall to where all dead warriors come
>when they have fallen as heroes on the battlefield. Valhalla is the
>name of the source-level debugger.
>
>Sif: is the name of the wife of Thor. Sif is famous for her golden
>hair. Sif is the name of the hyper structure editor.
>
>Freja: is the name of the goddess of love. She lives in Folkvang and
>is the most beautiful of all women in Asgaard. She owns the golden
>piece of jewelry Brisingemen. Freja is the name of the CASE tool.
>
>Odin: is the name of the highest ranking god in Asgaard.
>
>Thor: is the name of the strongest of all gods. He is the god for all
>peasants. He is the son of Odin and Frigg and lives together with his
>wife Sif in Trudvang on the farm Bilskirner which is the biggest house
>in the world, with 540 floors.
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Aarhus University, Ny Munkegade 116        Phone: +45 89423217
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From: hsuc@msu.edu (Chun Hsu)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 1 Jul 1994 07:33:05 GMT
Reply-To: hsuc@egr.msu.edu

Leo L Turetsky (professor+@CMU.EDU) wrote:
> Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 30-Jun-94 Re: Linux better
> than OS/2 .. by Andrew@husc10.harvard.ed 
> All of three cards? Incorrect. Why don't you find out something about
> the specs. ftp.next.com (unless they changed it). It has more drivers
> that work than OS/2 ever will have. Plus NeXT doesn't release broken
> drivers and OS's and not provide free fixes, not that this has happened
> yet to my knowledge.

As many others have already pointed out, the fixes are free.
I may be wrong, but it doesn't yet seem to be the norm in the
software industry to send out free fixes.  I have accumulated
hundreds of dollars of software and thousands of dollars of 
hardware.  Yet, not one company has sent me a free patch for
their software or drivers.  Patches for OS/2 cost just as
much as Linux, nothing.

The only time I might expect free patches is if the cost of
the patch was negligible compared to how much I spent on 
the software itself. 

> > Now really, try to calm down.  This Linux - OS/2 ( - NextStep?) fight
> > has me a bit perplexed.  I am a happy user of both OS/2 _and_ Linux.

> Thanks. Your condecending attitude is noted.

Consdescending?  I think you really need to calm down.

> > They are both, IMHO, excelent systems, for almost entirely unrealated
> > reasons.  Linux doens't run my Word Processor or my spreadsheet, doesn't
> > connect (except through DOS emulation) to the Netware servers at work,
> > and takes hours to days to configure properly.  OS/2 doesn't run
> > Moasic (yet), doesn't compile Unix sources without some work, has expensive
> > TCP/IP and X packages and lacks on-line documentation for its API (I
> > don't own C/Set++ or Borland's compiler).  I am not about to drop
> > either system right now -- they really aren't all that comparable.
> > Why all the fuss?

Well put.  My sentiments exactly.

> Because I don't have the room for both and the initial argument here was
> that OS/2 is broken. OS/2 is not excellent by far.

> -Leo

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 Masters of Science
 Electrical Engineering                       Michigan State University
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From: lruppert@iguana.syr.EDU (Ludwig Van.)
Subject: Re: OS/2 vs. Linux : Stop this discussion!
Date: 1 Jul 1994 21:44:22 GMT

In article <Ii56L1C00WB8MxF_tF@andrew.cmu.edu> Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU> writes:
[mature attempt at ending the current iteration of the OS-war deleted]

>Did anyone ask for your opinion? I'm having fun... I suspect others are
>too. Don't ruin our fun at the expense of your sanity. Don't read the
>posts. Hitting the 'n' key is hard, huh?

Normally I don't reply to flame bait, but it is rare that I see this
level of immaturity on the net.  It is great that you're having fun.
Really it is.  But I believe that the majority of the readers are sick
of having to read post after post of "My OS is bigger/longer/stronger
than your OS".  A quick discussion of pros and cons is fine, but the
constant bickering is reminiscent of the arguments of "My dad can beat
up your dad" that you hear in kindergarten.  It's annoying as all
hell, though perhaps it is only annoying to people like me, who have
seen the same tired two-dimensional arguments repeated over and over
again every few months, however I think I'm not the only one.
Either way, snapping at someone for trying to end a silly argument
because you're 'having fun' is the sort of thing one would expect from
a child in grade school.  Please try to be courteous.
comp.os.linux.misc is more than just an advocacy group.  The
advocacy discussion going on here really does belong exclusively in
comp.os.os2.advocacy, because it is an annoying distraction from the
more relevant and technical issues being discussed here.

BTW, pressing the 'n' key is not so difficult, but neither is walking
out to an outhouse to take a dump.  Either way, you want to get rid of
shit as quickly as possible, when the current method available is
inconvenient.  The best solution here would be to end the argument.
Perhaps there should be an advocacy FAQ with the line "To each his
own."

>-Leo

-Lou Ruppert
UNIX Weenie and Former OS/2 Advocate
-- 
"Until you stalk and overrun, you can't devour anyone."   -Hobbes
Lou Ruppert                     lruppert@mailbox.syr.edu
My opinions are my own.  My attention span isn't long enough for

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From: jimr@shorty.cs.wisc.edu (Jim Robinson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 30 Jun 94 20:30:56 GMT

I'm not sure if I should be even posting here... :)

In article <PCCARVE.9.000C15A7@crsgi1.erenj.com> PCCARVE@crsgi1.erenj.com (Paul Carver) writes:
[...]
>BTW, you made it very clear that you use Linux.  Would you mind saying
>what software you use besides the OS and how long you think it would
>take for a person who has seen Linux to convert a DOS/WIN machine
>into a productive Linux machine?  Oh, I don't have a network connection,
>just a modem and only one phone line so I can't leave it connected all
>the time.


One thing to point out, Linux is severely lacking in the area of OS/2
and Windows style graphical applications. The SCO emulator apparently
goes a long way to fixing this for people who want the stuff they need
to buy.

For stuff like databases, word processing, and spread sheets, Linux
does not, in my opinion, have a lot of "friendly" looking software
available.  But then again, I always struggled with proper font
conversion and text placement in WP for Windows (it kept trying to do
stuff its own way, not mine) and programming with the OS/2 editor was
not my favorite past-time.

Don't know about him, but here are something I use all the time,
and all of it (with the exception of fet) is available prepackaged
in Slackware and the next .93 BETA Debian release.  There are
LOTS of things I am leaving out, all the graphics stuff, the
things like Andrew Toolkit, etc...  It would take up pages and
pages to list all the good tools out there available to Linux
users at no, or very low, cost.

     X & fvwm:  You've got your windowing system and a window
                manager that supports icons, icon boxes, docks,
                virtual desktops and sound.  Works great if
                you have tcp/ip available. Very customizable,
                but a pain in the ass to learn compared to
                OS/2's PM or NeXTSTEP since you edit a file
                instead of point'n'click.

        Emacs:  One of the best editors out there. Everything
                and the kitchen sink.
        
        Info:   Decent hyper-text.  not as good as OS/2's.
                Not even in the same ballpark IMO.

     {La}TeX:    Not the world's friendliest, and certainly
                depends on your taste, but I have used it for
                all of my papers for the last 2 years, very
                nice if you need to work on various machines.

        GCC:    For those hackers out there.  This is really
                a must for anybody who wants to use all that
                great software out there.  With this I would
                bundle all the things like xxgdb, etc..

        TCL/TK: Really nice for those who like easy to use
                programs with nice examples like Tclman out
                there.
        
        Term:   serial line multiplexr that allows me to FTP
                and telnet straight out of my machine from a
                normal dialup.  You can set this up to do
                mail and news locally as well. Very nice.
                Also get ahold of fet, it is great for automating

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From: ketil@ii.uib.no (Ketil M. Malde)
Subject: Benchmarking?
Date: 2 Jul 1994 11:30:56 GMT
Reply-To: ketil@ii.uib.no


Hi,

I would like to run some benchmarks to compare a couple of machines,
including my linux box - anybody know where I might find source for 
SpecFP and SpecInt for unix?

Or has anybody any other 'fair' benchmarks to suggest?  If you want to
say 'bogomips', just forget it :-)

-kZ
--

 + Ketil Malde                        In real life:  ketil@ii.uib.no ;
 + Nuke The Whales!  Pave The Earth!  And Honk If You Love Unicorns! ;

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Modem speed vs transfer rate
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 10:15:28 GMT

In <2v1ig0$bc8@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> ron@argus.lpl.Arizona.EDU (Ron Watkins) writes:

>I have a question regarding the transfer speed over the SLIP connection.
>Currently, I have a 2400 buad modem which gives me transfer rates of approx
>200 chars per second. I was looking at a 14400 modem which indicated that under
>compression, the data rate was 56Kbaud. When I compute the ratio of 2400 to
>56Kbaud, I find that the rate is 24 times faster than I now experience. This
>factor, when applied to the 200 chars per second rate which I get now, yeilds
>a 4.8 K chars/sec transfer rate. Yet I keep hearing that all you can expect is
>somewhere around 1.1 to 1.6 K chars/sec. Can someone explain why?

Because the compression usually does not work as well as they advertise...
For example, when you get .tar.gz files, which are already compressed, it
will not compress any further and you get the bare 14400 data rate.
Of course, this is still way faster than 2400.

Actually, when you use V.42 it will be a bit better than 14400/2400, because
it will not transmit the start- and stopbits across the link.  Your end-to-end
datarate will be up to 1920 bits/s over a 2400 bps link, and there is no
such loss for 14400+V.42.

For compressable data (e.g. when looking at directories or retrieving
uncompressed text files) the actual rate will be between 14400 and the
maximum imposed by the async baudrate (e.g. 57k6)

Rob
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Storing files on a second harddisk possible?
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 10:23:55 GMT

In <Cs6uq8.M10@research.canon.oz.au> wing@research.canon.oz.au (Wing Chung) writes:

>Hi all,

>I ran out of harddisk space on my first HD and wonder if I can
>use my second HD for storing linux files.

>I have two harddisk installed on my PC. Drive C: is 420 MB and
>Drive D: is 80 MB (referred to using MSDOS terms). MSDOS on 
>/dev/hda1, Linux is installed on /dev/hda2, swap on /dev/hda3.

>At the moment the 80MB HD is a MSDOS drive and is not used.

>In a previous discussion, it was mentioned that it is possible
>to store files on another partitions (maybe these are not system
>files) and run Linux on another. My situation is similar but I
>need to put the partition on another HD. Is this possible, and
>how can I do this?

Run "fdisk /dev/hdb", change the partition type to "linux", and then
mkfs /dev/hdb1 just as you did for your /dev/hda1 etc.

Rob
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Wordperfect and other Dos questions 
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 10:38:21 GMT

In <1994Jul01.030325.3336@taylor.infi.net> mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis) writes:

>simmonr5387@cobra.uni.edu writes:

>>I have 2 questions for you all: and forgive me if they are redundant:

>>1) Everyone is talking about XWordPerfect and using the sco version of the
>>program on linux boxes so a) what is the cost of this package

>About $295 for a single SCO license from your favorite Unix vendor. This
>is the same retail price as all other versions of WordPerfect.

Actually, the DOS version of WP 6.0 costs only about half of that in
local currency equivalent...

However, that may be because WP and MS are engaged in a price battle trying 
to keep/get a share of the market.  MS sells Word+WFW for even less...

Let's see if they (WP) have lowered the price of UNIX products correspondingly.

Rob
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