Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #354
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Date:     Sat, 2 Jul 94 06:13:08 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #354, Volume #2                 Sat, 2 Jul 94 06:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  Re: [Q] Gateway 2000 mouse/video board (Charles B. Martin)
  Re: [term] Boo-hoo! (Bill Hogan)
  Re: Orchid Kelvin64: Just what is it? (John Loo)
  LaTex cannot find .sty files -- HELP!! (Subir Biswas)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Chun Hsu)
  Re: Youngest linux user (John Grana)
  Re: Youngest linux user (las@light-house.uucp)
  SCO Wordperfect demo and *.bdf fonts missing (Steve DuChene)
  Re: How do I  end a dip/ SLIP session (Steven Buytaert)
  What ETHERNET cards work with linux? (MATTHEW CROCKER)
  Re: Will my Computer Blow Up? (Graham Nicholls)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Tim Cutts)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Tim Cutts)

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From: cbmartin@whale.st.usm.edu (Charles B. Martin)
Subject: Re: [Q] Gateway 2000 mouse/video board
Date: 30 Jun 94 19:51:58 GMT


These are all of the replies I got regarding my Gateway post.  Thanks
to all who gave me the insightful information.

--Chuck
<cbmartin@whale.st.usm.edu>

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From monkd@euclid.colorado.edu Tue Jun 28 15:38:27 1994
Subject: Gateway

I saw your recent message. I have a Gateway, about 1 1/2 years old, with
linux and X running on it ok. It has an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro video card
with 1mb memory and a CrystalScan 1572FS 15" monitor. The micosoft mouse
works ok too. I did not have any problems setting it up.
J. D. Monk
monkd@euclid.colorado.edu

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From gisli@hamilton.eecs.umich.edu Tue Jun 28 16:20:29 1994
Subject: [Q] Gateway 2000 mouse/video board

I have a Gateway with a ATI MACH32 PCI card.  It works fine
at the resolution you mention and even higher.  However, I
do not beleive that this is the PCI card they are offering
now.  As far as I know they now sell a MACH64 card which I
do not think is supported just yet, in accelerated mode.

I have never had any mouse problems.

I think you may have to consider buying a video card elsewhere.

                                Gisli

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From lmk6@crux1.cit.cornell.edu Tue Jun 28 17:45:12 1994
Subject: Re: [Q] Gateway 2000 mouse/video board

In comp.os.linux.misc you write:

>Has anyone recently purchased a Gateway 2000 machine and gotten Linux
>up and running at full steam?  Specifically has anyone gotten X running
>at 1024x768x256 (or 800x600x256) with the Gateway PCI video card and gotten
>the mouse to work?  I am concidering the purchase of a Gateway system
>for work and I need to know how much of the innerds I will have to replace...
>I haven't tried with this system nor have I heard of any complaints, but
>I am just checking.  It'll make life a little easier to know in advance...

>If any one can answer these questions or give helpful hints on other
>problems I may encounter with the Gateway system, PLEASE (begging)
>drop me a line.

>Thanks a whole lot,
>Chuck Martin
><cbmartin@whale.st.usm.edu>

We have a Gateway Pentium 90.  My guess is that the PCI motherboard
is essentially the same, and so on.  If so, then the mouse is a ps/2
mouse, (neither serial nor bus mouse in Xconfig terms); we have
three-button emulation set.  Holding the left button while pressing
the right produces a middle button code.  If your hard disk is a 
520 or 540, then you will have to make a change in the CMOS setup
memory on your machine in order for Linux to recognize the
disk completely.  One fix that we use for that is to edit the number
of cylinders down to 1024 (from 1048); this will shave about 10MB off
your disk.  There is another possible fix for this, but I do not
know it well enough to quote it; perhaps it is changing the disk type
to "User Type" [it is safe enough to experiment].  Your monitor is
a MAG DX/MX type, and our 17" Crystal Scan works fine with the 
MAG MX17F Xconfig settings.  There are at least a couple of Xconfigs
in the slackware distribution for this monitor.  Let me know if you
can't get it working, and I will send you ours (don't have it on
this system with me).  If you are using a networking card, remember
to disable shadow RAM in the CMOS setup.  And if you have the NEC
CD-ROM drive, I think there is only a BETA driver at present.

Let me know if you need any further clarification.

Luke 

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From lmk6@crux1.cit.cornell.edu Tue Jun 28 17:47:30 1994
Subject: Re: [Q] Gateway 2000 mouse/video board

One last important thing:

Do you have the MATROX video card?  If so, then XFree86 wont
be able to use it.  You would have to buy an X-server from
X-Inside ($200) in order to use it.  And it would be as fast
as anything.  If you have the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro (NOT
Ultra Pro Turbo), then you are in luck -- XFree86 has a nice
driver for that.  There is no driver the the Ultra Pro Turbo,
however, except -- again -- from X-Inside.

Luke


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From amills@dxcern.cern.ch Wed Jun 29 06:52:50 1994
Subject: Re: [Q] Gateway 2000 mouse/video board

Hi,

   I've just ordered a Gateway P5-66 and I went to a *lot*
of trouble making sure that the sysytem I ordered was compatible
with Linux/XFree. First things is; phone Gateway and find out
*exactly* what the spec is - including harddrive, video card etc.

In the uk they ATI, Tseng, Matrox and Diamond video cards. Don't
get the Matrox or the Diamond - neither are supported by XFree.
If possible get an ATI card or a #9 S3 card - these definitly
work - the Tseng labs ones work but they aren't very fast.

If you get SCSI disks be careful - I think people have had problems
with PCI SCSI drives...

IDE PCI drives seems to be ok, but if they are > 1028 cylinders
you have to do some tricks so that Linux can see them - its all 
in the how-tos or on the help newsgroup.

The mouse is also ok I think - you gjust have to tell XFee that
its a pcmouse. 

Other than that the Gateway systems are a pretty good buy! I wish mine
would hurry and arrive!

Cheers,

Adrian


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From wiggins@mrcbs.med.yale.edu Wed Jun 29 09:34:25 1994
Subject: Gateway 2000...Linux


>If any one can answer these questions or give helpful hints on other
>problems I may encounter with the Gateway system, PLEASE (begging)
>drop me a line.

Please excuse this letter, which I am afraid is probably of no direct help. 
Actually I am writing mainly to ask if you could pass on any info you get-I 
am in exactly the same position as yourself!

I have been trying to find out as much info as possible, and here is what 
little I have gleaned from Gateway:

I have been looking into the P4D-66, the P4D-100, and the P5-60. The last person
I spoke to at Sales (Butch Beauchene) told me the P4D-100 had been discontinued.
The standard PCI video board for the P5-60 is apparently an STB board with a
Western Digital WD40C33 chip. For $50 you can move up to an ATI board based on
the Mach-32 chip (the faxed information called this board an ATI AX0, but I
am fairly ignorant in these things, so I do not know if that is a special for
Gateway or a generally available board. This faxed information also says "comes
standard with the P5-60 systems....", which sounds to me like it should not 
cost extra, but then again the board sheet is dated 9/93).

The sort of system I am looking for to run Linux is at least a 66Mhx 486, with
16Megs and 256k cache, and of course at least a 15" monitor. This is purely 
based on a friends advice, and I have to admit I am not sure I need to go to 
quite those lengths! Unfortunately I do need something of the sort fairly
rapidly-I need to finish a PhD thesis over the Net from here to the UK! The 
chap above at Gateway, being the ace salesman, was trying to convince me that 
since I would have to pay $30 for the extra 128K of cache for the 486-66 I 
might as well pay the $170 for a P5-66 and get the faster speed....hmmmm....

Of course, then the problem is I live in New Haven, so how long it will remain
in my apartment once I buy it is a serious consideration!

Any advice/tales you could pass on would be greatly appreciated!

Chris Wiggins (wiggins@mrcbs.med.yale.edu)

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From s0017210@cc.ysu.edu Thu Jun 30 01:13:04 1994
Subject: Re: [Q] Gateway 2000 mouse/video board


        I have a Gateway 2000 P4D-100 system and I specifically
        requested the serial MS mouse (instead of PS/2 version)
        and purchased an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro video card from
        another supplier and this got me up and running just fine.
        except for these two deficiencies Gateways are excellent
        to run Linux on. Oh, by the way if you get a 540Mb hard drive
        there are some additional tweeks that have to be done but
        it does work and you can use all 540Mb.
--
| sduchene@cis.ysu.edu  or  s0017210@cc.ysu.edu  Steven A. DuChene  
| Youngstown State University  | Computer Science / Math / Mech. Eng.
|They all laughed at Albert Einstein. They all laughed at Columbus. 
|Unfortunately, they also all laughed at Bozo the Clown. 

William H. Jeffreys

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From: bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan)
Subject: Re: [term] Boo-hoo!
Date: 1 Jul 1994 17:08:09 -0700

  It has been called to my attention that by consistently using the phrase
"Gnu 'term'" in this thread to distinguish that bi-directional serial
communication program 'term' which is distributed under the GNU General
Public License from all other bi-directional serial communication programs
I might have lead some readers to believe that the program I am talking
about in this thread is part of the GNU distribution. 

  In fact, although everything that is part of the GNU distribution is
distributed under the GNU General Public License, not everything that is
distributed under the GNU General Public License is part of the GNU
distribution. 
  
  If we let

    GNU(x) <=> "x is part of the GNU distribution"

and

    GPL(x) <=> "x is distributed under the GNU General Public License"

then we can summarize this state of affairs by saying

    forall(x, GNU(x) => GPL(x) ) & exists(x, GPL(x) & not GNU(x) ).

  In particular,

    GPL(what-I-called-"Gnu 'term'") & not GNU(what-I-called-"Gnu 'term'").

  Similar examples:

    GPL( the-Linux-kernel ) & not GNU( the-Linux-kernel ).

    GPL( program-called-"Octave" ) & not GNU( program-called-"Octave" ).

  I have also been told that for practical purposes we may take

    GNU(x) <=> prep.ai.mit.edu:/pub/gnu/x.

  My apologies to anyone I sent on a wild goose chase.

  Bill

-- 
  Bill Hogan
{echo "Subject: get bhogan@crl.com" | mail pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu}

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video
From: bbs.kohler@tsoft.net (John Loo)
Subject: Re: Orchid Kelvin64: Just what is it?
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 20:45:12 GMT

u930528@daimi.aau.dk (Allan Wind) writes:

> Thus spake bandu@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jagath Samarabandu):
> 
> >While browsing for video card in the store, I saw a Orchid kelvin 64 for
> >$219. I just could not find such a beast in the video cards survey. Does any
> >know what the chipset is? The Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 was in the survey and s
> >to be based on S3 80[1,5] and was $159 in the store. 
> 
> >The additional $50 must account for something (hopefully) and I'd really wan
> >to run Linux+XFree86 on the machine.
> 
> The chip is a CirrusLogic 5434... I wasn't impressed as I tried it out.
> I think I'll go for a 864 or a new ATI card.
> 
> 
The 5434 is, as far as I know, a 64-bit version of the 5428.  It isn't 
too bad for its price but since it is basically a 64-bit 5428, it really 
isn't that great overall.


--
John Loo (bbs.kohler@tsoft.net)

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From: skb@cl.cam.ac.uk (Subir Biswas)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: LaTex cannot find .sty files -- HELP!!
Date: 1 Jul 1994 17:46:42 GMT


Hello Linuxers,

I am having a little problem with my LaTeX installation.
When I try to execute --

$> latex foo.tex

apparently, it cannot find the .sty files and complains 
about it. I checked that all the .sty files are there in the

/usr/Tex/libs/tex/macros/Latex  

directory. What I guess is that somewhere I ought to specify 
the proper location of the .sty files in order to enable 
latex to find those. 

Could any kind soul please write me a line about how to solve
this problem. Does the directory look weird? In that case what
 should be the proper one.

Thanks a lot for any help.

- Subir

PS: Please send mail; I am not a regular reader of these
newsgroups. 

=========================================================================
Subir Kumar Biswas                               Tel: +44-223-344618
Computer Laboratory                              Fax: +44-223-334678
University of Cambridge                          E_mail: skb@cl.cam.ac.uk
Cambridge CB2 3QG, UK.
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From: hsuc@msu.edu (Chun Hsu)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 1 Jul 1994 07:20:03 GMT
Reply-To: hsuc@egr.msu.edu

Leo L Turetsky (professor+@CMU.EDU) wrote:
> Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 30-Jun-94 Re: Linux better
> than OS/2 .. by Scott Michel@whirlwind.s 
> > As if frequent patches arent upgrades? Linux is hardly free, if you
> > cost in the time it takes to get the thing downloaded and installed.
> > There are some good installation packages, but that depends who you
> > get your distribution from.

> Frequent patches being available doesn't mean you should upgrade. If you
> join #linux on irc and type linuxbot: version, you'll get the following
> message:
>     The current version of Linux is 1.0.9. The most recent test kernel
> is 1.1.24.

> Notice the words test kernel.

Umm.  Right.  As I noted in a previous post, it took me a week
to upgrade the majority of my Linux installation.  Why?  Just to
run Mosaic.  For that single application I upgraded the kernel,
gcc, XFree, C-libraries, and more.  Upgrading and patching is
a fact of life with any OS.  Sooner or later, it becomes necessary
to run new applications.

>   
> > But I'd hardly say that I'd bet my enterprise on Linux. There's no
> > "compelling" application to make Linux attractive. In fact, that's the
> > reason why some of us bet on OS/2 or SCO (I'm in the SCO camp). It
> > may not be that SCO is perfect [in fact, far from it], but it is known
> > for some stability and has a volume market. Linux is a hacker's dream.

> Linux is free. All applications are compelling. It wasn't designed to be
> used in the office, and yet there are plenty of companied who do so.
> OS/2 is broken; the only thing you depend on it to do is not be
> compatible (like Linux) and cost money (not like Linux). SCO is SCO.

> -Leo

All applications are compelling?  I am not sure what you mean by
that.  Please stop driveling about OS/2 being broken.  There are
satisfied and unsatisfied OS/2 users.  There are satisifed and
unsatisified Linux users.  Your extreme bias against OS/2 only
makes your arguments more ineffective.

--
===========================================================================
 Chun Hsu                                     E-mail: hsuc@egr.msu.edu   
 Masters of Science
 Electrical Engineering                       Michigan State University
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From: jjg@pt.com (John Grana)
Subject: Re: Youngest linux user
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 00:29:59 GMT


In article <Cs4H13.2ot@amber.baltic.de> ft@amber.baltic.de (Frank Tegtmeyer) writes:
>horne@mhd2.pfc.mit.edu wrote:
>> My daughters are 10 and 8.  The 10-year-old uses Emacs to do her school
>> papers; they both play nethack (interminably).  Probly doesn't count, though.
>
>My son isn't that experienced, he uses Emacs on my Linux only to learn to
>write his name and some other words. But he is only five years old :-)
>And he has the knowledge (against some secretaries here in germany)
>not to press enter to enter a new line. Word wrapping makes him really
>happy ...

Maybe we can start a kids email network, kind of like a information go-kart-way
for the future hackers! My 10 and 12 year olds both have linux accounts
and are attempting to send e-mail to other friends (usually on compuserver).
If your kids want to email them its:

        walden!matt.grana@pt.com     (the 10 year old)
        walden!paul.grana@pt.com     (12 going on 19 year old)

bye
jjg



-- 
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|John Grana, Performance Technologies Incorporated              jjg@pt.com|
|315 Science Parkway, Rochester, New York 14620           uupsi!ptsys1!jjg|
|Phone: (716) 256-0200   Fax: (716) 256-0791                              |

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Crossposted-To: rec.humor
From: las@light-house.uucp
Subject: Re: Youngest linux user
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 19:33:48 GMT
Reply-To: whome!light-house!las@planix.com

Christopher Dewey (kestrel@vampyre.acc.uri.edu) wrote:
: hmmm, has anybody tried connecting stdin to the womb?

: chris

     Food for thought.
     
     

=============================================================================
Keyboard error: keyboard not detected. Press F1 to continue
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From: s0017210@cc.ysu.edu (Steve DuChene)
Subject: SCO Wordperfect demo and *.bdf fonts missing
Date: 2 Jul 1994 09:26:29 GMT

        I downloaded the SCO demo version of WordPerfect (all
        8Mb!) and I am trying to see what it looks like with the
        iBCS emulator under Linux but from the HINTS file that comes
        with the iBCS package, in order for this to work I need *.bdf
        fonts that can be converted into *.Pcf fonts. Does anyone 
        have these or know if they are available on the WordPerfect
        ftp site?  If they are available on the ftp site could someone
        post the name of the site. I must have lost it after I downloaded 
        the demo. If these are not available on the ftp site can some one 
        please get in contact with me so I can figure out how to get them.

                        Thanks in advance.....
-- 
| sduchene@cis.ysu.edu  or  s0017210@cc.ysu.edu  Steven A. DuChene  
| Youngstown State University  | Computer Science / Math / Mech. Eng.
|They all laughed at Albert Einstein. They all laughed at Columbus. 
|Unfortunately, they also all laughed at Bozo the Clown. 

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From: buytaert@imec.be (Steven Buytaert)
Subject: Re: How do I  end a dip/ SLIP session
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 09:28:36 GMT

Ian M. Robertson (imr@muppet.bt.co.uk) wrote:
: There must be a better way as I cant persuade the the cron daemon to do that :-)

  dip -k

--
Steven Buytaert 

WORK buytaert@imec.be
HOME buytaert@innet.be

        'Imagination is more important than knowledge.'
                        (A. Einstein)

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From: crocker@opine (MATTHEW CROCKER)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: What ETHERNET cards work with linux?
Date: 30 Jun 94 20:14:34 GMT

More specifically does the 3COM EtherLink III 16-bit work?

what is the fastest ethernet card for PCI/ISA that has a stable (released, 
 not BETA) driver?

I want
 Stable > Speed > Cost.  It will only be running linux (no DOS, OS/2 and
most certainly it will never see the light of NT)

-L8r,

-Matt/2

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From: Graham@rock.demon.co.uk (Graham Nicholls)
Subject: Re: Will my Computer Blow Up?
Reply-To: Graham@rock.demon.co.uk
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 14:37:35 +0000


Did you really have to quote his whole posting in order to suggest that
he move his radio?
What a waste of time.  I had to download that garbage at my own cost.
Your message wasn't even much use!
Sorry to rant on, but what a perfect example of network bandwidth waste.

-- 
Graham Nicholls
Sig. applied for.

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From: tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 30 Jun 1994 08:11:23 GMT

Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU> writes:

>> >Yes. Or is a Dell computer not 'compatible' enough ? OS/2 was
>> >obviously the problem here.
>>  
>> Care to be a bit more specific?  Here, at Visix, we have four
>> different Dell 486 boxes, all with S3 video, all on the network, all
>> running OS/2 2.1 and TCP/IP 2.0 with no problems.
>>  
>> Maybe you have an older box (I don't think Dell has OS/2 certification
>> for all their older boxes), or maybe you have a configuration problem.

>Well why doesn't Dell have support for the older machines? This is
>OS/2's fault the way you explained it. Why won't OS/2 give theolder Dell
>machines certification?

Because, if Dell's old architecture is a bit non-standard, the last thing
IBM want to do is have to bloat their code even more in order to fix it.
They probably figured the number of users that would be inconvenienced would
be too small to make it commercially viable to do so.

Tim.

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From: tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 30 Jun 1994 08:13:33 GMT

Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU> writes:

>Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 29-Jun-94 Re: Linux better
>than OS/2 .. by David Charlap@visix.com 
>> >I wish someone would write a good, small, fast, stable multitasking OS
>> >with broad-based device driver support. This kind of OS would destroy
>> >OS/2, Windows 3.1, Chicago, NT, etc.
>>  
>> Dream on.  No company has the resources to throw in a full suite of
>> features, add driver support for all known hardware, and get it to
>> market before it becomes obsolete.  I'm afraid you're going to have to
>> settle for two out of three.

>Uummm, NeXTSTEP? I'll take three out of three, thanks.

Uh, fast?  I'd heard NextSTEP required vast amounts of RAM to be useable.
Most of us don't have 450 pounds to spend on upgrading our memory.

Tim.

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