Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #353
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sat, 2 Jul 94 02:13:09 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #353, Volume #2                 Sat, 2 Jul 94 02:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Andrew)
  Re: Consumer standards (OS/2 vs. Linux discussed) (Christopher D. Reynolds)
  Re: Word Perfect (Ethan Henry)
  Re: Linux.... On a Sparc? (Tse Huong Choo)
  Re: How to set runlevels? (junebug)
  Re: What would you buy for a dream linux system? (Paul Tomblin)
  dialup connections (Hans Petter Fasteng)
  Re: Idea for supporting a lot of SCSI and other controllers (Leslie Mikesell)
  Re: Youngest linux user (David Holland)
  QIC-80 (Michael Field)
  Re: Will my Computer Blow Up? (Han Kim)
  4 Questions i need help answering... (Beng Teck Here...)
  ESDI and Linux (Ben Pressnall)
  Best OS for a bandwidth intensive on-line service.. (Marius Kjeldahl)
  Re: [term] Boo-hoo! (Bill C. Riemers)
  Re: [term] Boo-hoo! (Bill C. Riemers)
  Re: `ncftp` for Linux? (Sebastian W. Bunka)
  Re: [term] Boo-hoo! (Bill C. Riemers)
  Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2 (ron@crew.de)
  Re: Idea for supporting a lot of SCSI and other controllers (Tim Smith)
  Linux on a Midwest Micro Elite Soundbook (DX4 system)? (Bert Still)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
From: ajross@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrew)
Date: 1 Jul 94 13:53:18 GMT

jimr@shorty.cs.wisc.edu (Jim Robinson) writes:

>Don't know about him, but here are something I use all the time,
>and all of it (with the exception of fet) is available prepackaged
>in Slackware and the next .93 BETA Debian release.  There are
>LOTS of things I am leaving out, all the graphics stuff, the
>things like Andrew Toolkit, etc...  It would take up pages and
>pages to list all the good tools out there available to Linux
>users at no, or very low, cost.

>     X & fvwm:  You've got your windowing system and a window
>               manager that supports icons, icon boxes, docks,
>               virtual desktops and sound.  Works great if
>               you have tcp/ip available. Very customizable,
>               but a pain in the ass to learn compared to
>               OS/2's PM or NeXTSTEP since you edit a file
>               instead of point'n'click.

>       Emacs:  One of the best editors out there. Everything
>               and the kitchen sink.
>       
>       Info:   Decent hyper-text.  not as good as OS/2's.
>               Not even in the same ballpark IMO.

>     {La}TeX:    Not the world's friendliest, and certainly
>               depends on your taste, but I have used it for
>               all of my papers for the last 2 years, very
>               nice if you need to work on various machines.

>       GCC:    For those hackers out there.  This is really
>                a must for anybody who wants to use all that
>               great software out there.  With this I would
>               bundle all the things like xxgdb, etc..

I know I really shouldn't be ribbing you, since I use all this stuff
under linux myself, but you do realize that all of the above software
is available in Native OS/2 ports (except X/Fvwm of course).  There
are 2 GCC 2.5.8 ports, each one capable of compiling fully native OS/2
PM code.




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From: gt3489a@prism.gatech.edu (Christopher D. Reynolds)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer standards (OS/2 vs. Linux discussed)
Date: 1 Jul 1994 19:20:33 -0400

Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU> writes:

>Are you kidding? A disk costs .25 and to ship it to your house costs
>2.00 at most. How much is a patch from OS/2 by mail? I highly doubt it
>is 2.25.

Actually, IBM usually produces a new "correct service diskette" set.
This set is usually about twenty disks. So, at your rates that's $45. 

>Many users jumped on the OS/2 bandwagon before they knew what was wrong
>with it. Now it's too late and they must live with it. No one made the
>argument that software is too buggy in the first place. You did. And
>it's a dumb argument. Does this mean software should never be released?

Also, IBM will take OS/2 back and give you your money back. That sounds
pretty fair to me. You can buy OS/2 for about $39. Try if for thirty
days, and if you don't like it, take it back. How much more do you want?

Chris 
-- 
Christopher D. Reynolds - Team OS/2 
        School: gt3489a@prism.gatech.edu 
        Work:   qfcoocr@prism.gatech.edu, chrisr@bismarck.gatech.edu
                cdr@imb14.marc.gatech.edu

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From: ehenry@Newbridge.COM (Ethan Henry)
Subject: Re: Word Perfect
Date: 30 Jun 94 19:14:14 GMT

In article <Jun.30.12.11.15.1994.1703@geneva.rutgers.edu>,
Charles Hedrick <hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu> wrote:
>tweaver@kaiwan.com (Timothy S. Weaver) writes:
>
>>Just goes to show why developers who began on a DOS or Windows platform 
>>should never be allowed to write on other systems. Think we could get a 
>>law passed? The Video Game & Bloated Code Restriction Act of 1994.
>
>Don't even joke about it.  A few years ago some legislators in NJ
>tried to pass a law saying that you couldn't program without a license.

<rant on>

And there's a problem with that?

You need a license to build a bridge or practice medicine,
but any idiot can market a CAD program for civil engineering
or write firmware for a complex patient monitor. You need
several hundred hours of flight experience to pilot a big
747-type passenger jet, but some university co-op student can
write controller code for the automatic systems ?

You're right - licensing software developers isn't funny, it's
pathetic.

This is completely irrelevant to c.o.l.m, but it had to be said.

Ethan

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
From: thc@macdui.hpl.hp.com (Tse Huong Choo)
Subject: Re: Linux.... On a Sparc?
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 19:21:45 GMT

In article <1994Jun28.025439.8616@escape.widomaker.com>, shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix) writes:
>
> They are most likely talking about integer operations.  My 486DX/40
> is faster than a Sparc 2 with most tasks.  What kills my 486 and does
> quite well on a Sparc is floating point.  The Intel FPU is brain-dead
> for the most part, despite Intel's efforst on the Pentium.  My suggestion
> to anyone that believes a Sparc is slower than an Intel is to run a
> suite of floating point tests.  You'll see a different story there.
>

Quite. I re-compiled a polygon engine which largely uses floats on my DX2-66
and it was perceptibly slower on the PC than on a Sparc IPX running 
SunOS 4.1.3. As for the Sparc 10/20s, well...

> Also, I've been studying the sparc lately and writing some stuff in
> assembly and I have come to realize that the Sparc is capable of very
> fast integer operations.  However, most software simply doesn't take
> advantage of it's features. 

Actually, gcc and Sun's own cc makes very good use of the Sparc's
features - watch for delayed branching and the like, although 
compilers for RISC cpus have a larger responsbility than those for 
CISC when it comes to optimizing code.

Tse.

(personal opinions only and not speaking for HP in anyway)


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From: ltost@mars.lib.iup.edu (junebug)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: How to set runlevels?
Date: 1 Jul 1994 21:01:48 GMT


: How do I set runlevels? I tried to find some docs for it but couldn't 
: find any. (The init man page was a bit confusing...) Distributions: 
: Slackware & Yggdrasil.

Look in /etc/inittab for...
# Default runlevel.
id:5:initdefault:

that's your default runlevel.. not sure what the choices are, but i know 6 is
X-window.

lance.
ltost@donald.co.iup.edu


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From: pt@gandalf.ca (Paul Tomblin)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: What would you buy for a dream linux system?
Date: 30 Jun 94 19:35:34 GMT
Reply-To: ptomblin@gandalf.ca

crocker@opine (MATTHEW CROCKER) writes:

>GW2K  P5-90
>32 MB RAM
>540 MB IDE
>ATI PCI-64 W/2MB
>MS MOUSE

>This machine probably won't be running X,  I don't want to waste any RAM
>by running X.   (Does XFree86 support the Mach64 chip)

If you don't want to run X, why put a ATI PCI-64 and a mouse on it?  Why not
just a MDA and a monochrome monitor?  Use the money you save to upgrade the
RAM.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, Head - Automation Design Group.
Gandalf Canada Limited
This is not an official statement of Gandalf, or of Vicki Robinson.
"Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux as Linux"

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From: hansp@oslonett.no (Hans Petter Fasteng)
Subject: dialup connections
Date: 1 Jul 1994 15:29:56 +0200

I have a need for getting files and other stuff transferd between 3
computers at night all runs linux, but I do not have the power to change
the software running on 2 of them.  

  The 2 systems I am going to communicate with only runs getty and I have to
login as normal user execute my commands and logout. there is no UUCP or
SLIP access.  this has to be done between 4am and 6am in the morning, and I
hoped it was a tool that could help me do this. 

  I looked at minicom witch I use for my own things, but it must first (to
my nolage) be manually connected with the system before executing a script.

Is there a tool developed for this kind of things, or do I have to start my
own little project?

Please forgive my spelling, I am from Norway I try to improve.

-hans  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 *   Linux, the choice of a GNU generation.
                                                       

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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Idea for supporting a lot of SCSI and other controllers
Date: 1 Jul 1994 18:36:03 -0500

In article <2v26rk$gil@news.u.washington.edu>,
Tim Smith <tzs@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>Here's an idea for how someone could add support in Linux for a lot of
>SCSI controllers, disk controllers, tape controllers, and CD-ROM
>controllers.  Use drivers from Netware 3.x or 4.x!

How about a binary translator to native format?  Then do one for
device drivers for sco unix and sysvr4 so you'll have some
intelligent ports support.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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Subject: Re: Youngest linux user
From: dholland@scws9.harvard.edu (David Holland)
Date: 1 Jul 94 15:56:14


bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org's message of Thu, 30 Jun 1994 22:25:06 GMT said:

 > | drawings of a Linux (whatever that is).  We want them for our December
 > | cover.
 > +------------->8
 >
 > Err, what?  I don't think there is such a thing.  I reworked the
 > original PS LDP logo slightly (used a real font for the word Linux)
 > to make name tags for Dayton (hi folks :-) but there are as many
 > Linux logos as there are Linuxers with graphical design sense :-)

Collect 'em all, use that as the cover. :-)

--
   - David A. Holland          | "The right to be heard does not automatically
     dholland@husc.harvard.edu |  include the right to be taken seriously."

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From: mfield@pinn.net (Michael Field)
Subject: QIC-80
Date: 30 Jun 94 20:35:54 GMT


        I've got a  Colorado Jumbo 250 but can't get it to work.  I got 
the modutils ver 15 and the new ftape 1.2 drivers.  Ive read the faqs but 
still can't seem to get it running!  Machine Config is:

                486-40 
                16 Mb Ram
                Adaptec 1542-CF 
                2.1 Gig Drive.

        The drive is less than one month old!  Thanks.


--
Mike Field
Eagle Systems, Inc. 468 Viking Drive, Virginia Beach, VA 23452
804.498-5676(w) or 804.463-4320(h)

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From: hskim@ripley.ece.uiuc.edu (Han Kim)
Subject: Re: Will my Computer Blow Up?
Date: 1 Jul 1994 21:29:07 GMT

Burton Bicksler (bbick@netcom.com) wrote:
> Andrew Appel (aappel@panix.com) wrote:
> : In <1994Jun24.094736.579@duquesne.ie> asmall2@duquesne.ie (Alastair J. Small) writes:


> Alastair,                     

> What you are experiencing is RF noise caused by the switching transients 
> on the bus when your computer is executing various pieces of code.  In 
> the early days of the MITS 8800 one of the first programs that was 
> written was one to play "music" on a nearby radio when the program ran.  
> This as also one of the few programs that did anything useful that could 
> run in 256 Bytes of RAM.

> Things to check:
> Are all external cables shielded, or are some plain ribbon cables.  
> Unshielded and/or ungrounded cables are a common cause of Radio Frequency 
> Interference.

> Are all of the metal covers for any empty board slots in place on the 
> back of the computer.

> Is the cover on the computer, and is it secured by mounting screws.

> If all of the above is true then the following are possibilities:

> The computer in question is not designed for use outside of an "office" 
> enviornment, that is it is Class A (US FCC).  Class B machines meet a 
> higher standard, and are less likely to cause interference in nearby 
> radios and TVs.

> The RFI Filter in the computer's power supply is defective and is not 
> trapping the RFI properly.

> It is extremely unlikely that your computer is in any danger of "blowing 
> up", and this is not a Linux exclusive "feature".

> If you have any questions feel freed to contact me via E-Mail.

> Burt
>                                              bbick@netcom.com

Nice suggestions. This person seems to really understand RFI (radio-frequency
interference), or, in general, EMI (electro-magnetic interference). 
To me it seems like the hard drive or its controller that causes most of 
the interference, if I understand the original post correctly.
Of course there could be other sources of switching noise interference.
Even Class B machines with well-designed case and shielded cables
could be disastrous to communication-grade receivers.
Do some tests to locate the source: for example, exercize CPU without accessing
HD, or spin HD on and off several times to find when you get the interference,
or when the interference is most severe.
If you are not familiar with EMI, it's a good idea to find a skilled local
HAM (radio amateur) who can help you. They are, in general, friendly enough
to lend you a hand. (I know for I'm one of 'em.)
Good luck.

By the way, many types of PC cases, especially tower cases, have poorly
designed front for EM compatibility. Hope to see better designs for
less EMI....

        Han..
--
Han Seok Kim                          | hskim@uiwpls.ece.uiuc.edu
Wave Propagation Lab.                 | (217) 333 - 4406
Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign | Linux - to die for

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From: 31khoo@wmich.edu (Beng Teck Here...)
Subject: 4 Questions i need help answering...
Date: 1 Jul 94 17:20:37 EDT

I have 4 questions here that have arisen from my installation of Linux and i
hope someone here can help answer them for me....

1) I don't see how Seyon can do vt220/vt100 emulation... (or am i mistaken?)
Can someone recomend a good vt220 emulator comm program. My xterm, and emulator
doesn't seem to do the keyboard mapping correctly... any ideas?
Also, Seyon doesn't do file transfers in kermit... :( any suggestions? I don't
quite want to open an xterm and run kermit... 

2) how do i set my printer to be the default printer when i lpr? The printcap
has lp|panasonic and there is a spool file set up as panasonic. lpr -P
panasonic works. however, i have to define the environ PRINTER as panasonic
before it becomes default... any ideas to do this at startup? 

3) my gateway crystalscan 1024NI has the root window too big for my screen and
as a result it scrolls with my mouse... any ideas what to put in Xconfig to set
it up right? What resolution should be good?

4) X windows does not run for me if selection is already running... It says
device busy... I have to kill selection before i can run X. Any ideas how i can
get both of them to run? It is a PS/2 style mouse.

thnaks very much in advance to everyone. If there is one thing that Linux is
famous for, it has to be the great technical support!

-- 
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__          __     __    __          _    _             Khoo, Beng Teck
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 \#\  __  /#/     |#\#\/#/#|        |#|  |#|            Faith, Hope and Love
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   \##/\##/estern |#| ~~ |#|ichigan \######/niversity   "X93KHOO@WMICH.EDU"
    ~~  ~~         ~      ~          ~~~~~~             "31KHOO@WMICH.EDU"
============================================================================

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From: pressnal@chem.uidaho.edu (Ben Pressnall)
Subject: ESDI and Linux
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 23:39:38 GMT

I am currently trying to install Slackware on a 33  Mhz 386 with 8 megs of 
ram.  The problem I am having is Getting fdisk to work with these ESDI drives.
They are Maxtor XT8760E with 1632 cylinders, 15 heads, currently 53 sectors
(sectors are selectable with jumpers, choices are 52,53,54) .  I get a report 
from fdisk that drive has more than 1024 cylinders and an odd number of sectors
that will cause some software not to work properly.

I did manage to install the software but was unable to test the system because 
when I try to login as "root" it prompted me for a password.  Is there a 
default password ?  Am I wasting my time?

Thank you
Ben Pressnall
U of Idaho
Chemistry
pressnal@uidaho.edu

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From: s_marius@ira.uka.de (Marius Kjeldahl)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Best OS for a bandwidth intensive on-line service..
Date: 01 Jul 1994 14:04:02 GMT

Well, I have some future projects I am looking into, and would like to
ask the net community what they think about Linux vs. OS/2 on this
subject. I am not trying to start a flame war.

I believe an efficient implementation of threads is pretty useful in
such an environment, and that this is nativly implemented in OS/2. But
I have also learned that Linux have some add-on software (pthreads)
that allows similar operation.

What do you think would be the best choice would be for, let's say 16
users connected through serial ports, trying to maintain a stable
bitrate (9600++bps). 

Anyone??
--
Marius Kjeldahl, student at The Norwegian Insitute of Technology and
The University of Karlsruhe - finishing MSc late autumn 1994 
        e-mail: s_marius@ira.uka.de or mariusk@lise.unit.no
        www   : http://rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ulh0

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From: bcr@k9.via.term.none (Bill C. Riemers)
Subject: Re: [term] Boo-hoo!
Date: 30 Jun 94 23:43:21 GMT
Reply-To: bcr@physics.purdue.edu


I think the point is that if you refere to something as "GNU term",
"GNU Linux", ... you are implying that it is a product of the Free
Software Foundation.  "term", "Linux", and many other programs with
the GNU copyleft are not products of the Free Software Foundation.
So it would be more correct to either just say "term", or to say 
"Michael O'Reilly's term".

                                  Bill





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From: bcr@k9.via.term.none (Bill C. Riemers)
Subject: Re: [term] Boo-hoo!
Date: 30 Jun 94 23:50:12 GMT
Reply-To: bcr@physics.purdue.edu

In article <leobCs6rt4.Drv@netcom.com> leob@netcom.com (Between 408 and 510...) writes:


           The following is a compilation from Netcom FAQ (I couldn't
   do cut-n-paste because of (c) Netcom - do not duplicate or copy. :-)

           They don't support the use of 
           SCREEN, layers, term, and X-Windows.  They don't
           prohibit these programs, but if there's not enough resources
           "users of such programs will be killed off without warning."

           NB: Not the programs, but the users of such programs!

           Leo

Nasty!!!  What method of execution do they use???  Purhaps they would
be smarter to set cpu time, and process # limits like the rest of the
world.  I understand the courts tend to frown on killing people as
an exceptable means of controling computer resources.

                                        Bill


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From: seb@i102pc1.vu-wien.ac.at (Sebastian W. Bunka)
Subject: Re: `ncftp` for Linux?
Date: 1 Jul 1994 07:08:17 GMT
Reply-To: Sebastian.Bunka@vu-wien.ac.at

Mike Strock (mstrock@eskimo.com) wrote:

: Has anybody ported the 'ncftp' program to Linux, or does anyone know if
: it is a straight recompile?

check sunsite (or mirrors) for this, somewhere in
system/network/file-transfer

or on ftp.univie.ac.at:/systems/linux/funet/util/networking/ncftp165-bin.tar
it's a binary distribution...

                      [ Sebastian.Bunka@vu-wien.ac.at ]
                        phone:                   FAX:
                +43-1-71155260          +43-1-7149110
Location: earth, europe, austria, vienna  Inst. of Bacteriology  Vet.Univ.

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From: bcr@k9.via.term.none (Bill C. Riemers)
Subject: Re: [term] Boo-hoo!
Date: 30 Jun 94 23:54:07 GMT
Reply-To: bcr@physics.purdue.edu


More likely, is someone ran term115, term116, or term117 on it with
the CPU bug and all.  So now they are convinced 'term' will consume
huge chunks of CPU time....

                                Bill

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From: ron@crew.de
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2
Date: 30 Jun 94 19:59:39 GMT
Reply-To: ron@crew.de

In <1994Jun27.081353.14223@Princeton.EDU>, wgsohne@tucson.Princeton.EDU (William Guido Sohne) writes:
>In article <2ukph3$4du@popeye.hamburg.germany.eu.net>,  <ron@crew.de> wrote:
>>In <1994Jun25.093822.24697@Princeton.EDU>, wgsohne@stone.Princeton.EDU (William Guido Sohne) writes:
>>
>>[munch]
>>
>>>On the day you can install OS/2 using 2 floppy disks only 
>>>on a networked machine could you please give me a call ?
>>>
>>
>>No problem, I can do and have done. Two disks. No more, no less.
>>
>
>Interesting. My opinion of OS/2 has risen slightly. How exactly did you
>achieve this  ?
>
There is a little tools out there called PAUSE.SYS. It halts the boot
process of OS/2 and you can put in an other disk with additional
device drivers needed for networking and OS/2 will continue to boot.

Works fine with Novell Networks.

An other, more elegant solution that is not a hack at all, is using the
CID capabilities of OS/2 and boot OS/2 from the network using one (!)
bootdisk -- you can even automate the installation of OS/2 this way.
It's all in the redbooks available from ftp.cdrom.com (get the 00index.txt
and look for "redbook") or as printed media from IBM.

Hendrik

---
Hendrik H. Fulda                    IBM Certified OS/2 Engineer, TeamOS/2
e-mail: ron@crew.de, ron@chaos-hh.zer                  OS/2 EDAP & DevCon
---

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From: tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Idea for supporting a lot of SCSI and other controllers
Date: 2 Jul 1994 00:06:11 GMT

In article <2v2993$sa9@venus.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell <les@MCS.COM> wrote:
>>controllers.  Use drivers from Netware 3.x or 4.x!
>
>How about a binary translator to native format?  Then do one for
>device drivers for sco unix and sysvr4 so you'll have some
>intelligent ports support.

I'd prefer Netware.  Netware support is probably seen as more important by the
vendors than any form of Unix support, so it is more likely that there will
be a Netware driver.

Also, the Netware driver interface is a lot cleaner and better thought out
than any commecial Unix one I've seen--Novell actually seemed to *want*
third parties to write Netware drivers, whereas the impression I've gotten
when writing SCO drivers is that I was doing something that SCO would really
rather not have me do.

--Tim Smith

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From: bert@icf.llnl.gov (Bert Still)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
Subject: Linux on a Midwest Micro Elite Soundbook (DX4 system)?
Date: 02 Jul 1994 00:08:11 GMT


greetings all,

here i am adding one more voice to the chorus of people thinking of buying a
notebook and looking at midwest micro's systems.  i am not going to be losing
money if i can't get through to tech support with minimal delay, so that is
not so much an issue for me.  however, i would greatly prefer to run Linux for
most of my work (i plan to keep a DOS partition around as well).

the configuration i've been thinking of buying has a DX4 cpu, 8mb RAM, and
either the 340mb or 520mb disk. is anyone running Linux on a midwest elite
DX4/75 or DX4/100 system?


cheers,

bert

--
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7000 East Avenue, L-472, Livermore CA 94566               | / `-' )        ,,, 
Bldg 381, Room 1328, bert@icf.llnl.gov, (510) 423-7875    | | IU U||||||||[:::]
          play softly and carry a big stack...            | \_.-.(         ''' 


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