Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #348
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Fri, 1 Jul 94 13:13:13 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #348, Volume #2                 Fri, 1 Jul 94 13:13:13 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Changing mode with clgd5420? (John Prevost)
  Summary - just installed linux , system asks for root password. (Colin Linahan)
  Re: Did Xconfig fry my monitor? (Posting for a friend) (J. Fritz Barnes)
  MH 6.8.3 patches was Re: Word Perfect (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Word Perfect (Brandon S. Allbery)
  NETWARE AND LINUX (Peter O Orondo)
  Re: [term] Boo-hoo! (Tim Cutts)
  Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2) (Tim Cutts)
  Re: Did Xconfig fry my monitor? (Posting for a friend) (George N. Henderson)
  Re: Difficult Linux Instructions... (Beng Teck Here...)
  Re: problems with gcc (Joseph W. Vigneau)
  400 meg, 500 meg, & 1 gig Hard Disks (Luther Stephens P190)
  Re: Future of Debian Linux (Joe Pannon)
  Re: QuickTime-Player (Andreas Zeidler)
  Re: Youngest linux user (Herbert Xu)
  simple questions ... (Steve Kilby)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Guido Sohne)
  Re: What would you buy for a dream linux system? (Elmer Joandi)
  Re: Actix GE PLUS (Joe Smith)
  Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2) (Andrew)

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From: visigoth+@cs.cmu.edu (John Prevost)
Subject: Re: Changing mode with clgd5420?
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 00:20:25 GMT

In article <2up3jm$cpr@kryten.it.com.au>,
Jamie Howell <jamie@kryten.it.com.au> wrote:
>At the moment if I set lilo to video=ask or whatever all I get
>is 80x50 and 80x28 (maybe 80x25)...

[desc of other useful video modes the card should be able to do deleted]

I've had this same problem...  I can't remember which kernel, but one of the
0.99's gave me a whole slew of video modes.  Now I get only 80x50 and 80x28.
These are decent modes, but 132x44 would be very nice indeed.  ;>  I tried
munging the Setup.S file to lie about what card it had, but it wouldn't work.
If all else fails, I'm going to try hacking on it again, but I'd appreciate
input from anyone out there who has a patch.

--_-_-- visigoth@cs.cmu.edu ---------------------------------------------
 /.:.\  at Central Martian University
 \o o/  My opinions? I have no opinions. Really. [eep] I am a pinecone.
--"-"--------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: cfl@mel.dit.csiro.au (Colin Linahan)
Subject: Summary - just installed linux , system asks for root password.
Reply-To: cfl@mel.dit.csiro.au
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 94 00:18:01 GMT

Thanks to everyone that emailed me with suggestions as how to fix this
problem. I used the suggestion of booting from the root/install disks and
 mounting /dev/hda2 on /tmp and found I did not have a root entry in the /etc/passwd file. 
        I installed a new A disk set yesterday and everthing went fine. 
        I had to mount /dev/hda2 on /tmp again because I made the mistake of
setting a hard to remember root password and had to delete it ;)

        ( mount -t ext2 /dev/hda2 /mnt , /mnt/usr/bin/vi /etc/passwd )

Thanks again,


---
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  Unix Systems. Administrator               | fax (03) 2822600
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  723 Swanston St. Carlton Victoria         | Colin.Linahan@mel.dit.csiro.au



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From: jcbarnes@mail.coast.net (J. Fritz Barnes)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: Did Xconfig fry my monitor? (Posting for a friend)
Date: 1 Jul 1994 12:21:03 GMT

Sudeep Gupta (sudeep@cs.cornell.edu) wrote:
: Posting for friend. Please reply directly to him (shantanu@ee.cornell.edu)
: -------------------------------------------------------
: Hi everyone!

: I need some information.

: I set up the Slackware 1.2.0 installation of Linux on
: my Gateway2000 4DX2-66V a month and a half ago. I have
: a Gateway2000 Rocket Video Adapter and a CrystalScan
: monitor. I had X up and running for around 2 weeks,
: then recently the monitor (or video card, I'm not sure
: which) started to lose horizontal sync on me. 

: The first sign was my display square under MS-Windows
: started to shake horizontally. This effect showed up
: in text mode and in X too on occasion. At this point,
: I stopped using X until I had sorted it out. The next
: day the shaking got worse and the day after that I lost
: horizontal sync entirely.

[more description of problem deleted...]

: Shantanu....

: -----------------------------------------------------------
:         Shantanu Tarafdar (shantanu@ee.cornell.edu)

: Home:    319 Highland Ave, Apt. 6C,      Ph. (607) 257-4195
:          Ithaca, NY 14850.                             
: Office:  362 ETC, Cornell University,    Ph. (607) 255-0321
:          Ithaca, NY 14853.
: -----------------------------------------------------------

Hello,

  This sounds very familiar to problems that develop on the CrystalScan
monitors at Oakland University.  Having worked in the computer labs for
two years, the CrystalScan monitors seem prone to getting this vertical
scattering of the picture.  (Usually happens in the graphics modes, and
things will look okay in text mode).  I'm not sure what they do to fix
them, but somone else posted about a capacitor, I wouldn't be surprised if
that is the problem.  NOTE: The school computers have never run Linux, so
you're XConfig may not be to blame... (Of course this might not be your
problem...)

Fritz

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: MH 6.8.3 patches was Re: Word Perfect
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:25:53 GMT

In article <1994Jul1.000210.721@newstand.syr.edu>, lruppert@iguana.syr.EDU (Ludwig Van.) says:
+---------------
| (who still can't get MH to compile with the patches found on sunsite.
| What can be done about _gptr?)
+------------->8

I have the necessary fixes but no time to update the patches.  libc-4.5 broke
the patches :-(

++Brandon
--
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@44.70.4.88               bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
Friends don't let friends load Windows NT (tnx Sun)    A Linux iBCS2 developer
  The Witness (the Universe's biggest practical joker) is at it again... who
  else would pit the U.S. soccer team against Brazil on the Fourth of July?!

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Word Perfect
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:28:36 GMT

In article <1994Jul01.023725.2949@taylor.infi.net>, mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis) says:
+---------------
| Xmotif, and other shared libraries now).  It is likely they don't have
| shared library versions in order to maintain the highest compatibility (at the
+------------->8

Or because they got burned by the bugs in 3.2.2's libc_s (there hasn't been a
new release of WP since 3.2.4 came out, although WP6.0 will change that).

++Brandon
--
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@44.70.4.88               bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
Friends don't let friends load Windows NT (tnx Sun)    A Linux iBCS2 developer
  The Witness (the Universe's biggest practical joker) is at it again... who
  else would pit the U.S. soccer team against Brazil on the Fourth of July?!

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From: orondo@cyways.com (Peter O Orondo)
Subject: NETWARE AND LINUX
Date: 1 Jul 1994 13:34:55 GMT

repost:
anyone with this ANY info on this subject, please contact me.


-- 
Peter Orondo
cyways, inc
203 Arlington, Ma 02171
(617) 924-7991          
orondo@cyways.com               podo@mit.edu

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From: tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts)
Subject: Re: [term] Boo-hoo!
Date: 1 Jul 1994 12:26:36 GMT

bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan) writes:

>Tim Cutts (tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk) wrote:

>: I don't believe term has anything to do with the GNU project, just for your
>: information.

>: Tim.

[GPL deleted]

Yes, but anyone is free to distribute under the GPL.  It does not mean it is
part of the GNU project, AFAIK.

Tim.

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From: tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2)
Date: 1 Jul 1994 12:40:32 GMT

Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU> writes:

>Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 30-Jun-94 Re: OS/2 and Linux
>discusse.. by Tim Cutts@cus.cam.ac.uk 
>> OK.  But I can probably do it with two disks.  And you're not
>listening to me.
>> I included OpenLook because it is the closest equivalent to Workplace Shell
>> that Linux has.  Emacs is there because OS/2 also comes with a configurable
>> editor, EPM.  I am just including the Linux equivalents of what comes
>with the
>> full OS/2 distribution.  If you say X is an addon app, I can say Presentation
>> Manager and WPS is an addon.  Bingo - instantly down to a couple of disks.
>> How many times do I have to say this? Presentation Manager is not OS/2!

>Actually, I hate OpenLook. I use fvwm. Same difference in functionality
>but fvwm is faster and uses les RAM. Use Ez if you want an editor, it's
>like six times smaller than emacs with more editing features. Fine PM is
>an addon. Now what do you have left... nothing. I eliminate X and I
>still have unix...

But fvwm has no file management, no drag-and-drop... (incidentally, I agree,
I use fvwm rather than olwm, but olwm is closer to WPS in functionality, which
was why I chose it for the comparison).

What do you have left when you remove PM from OS/2?  A hell of a lot!  A
command shell, a powerful scripting language (REXX), oodles of text-mode 
OS/2 programs, GCC, virtually every GNU package in existence, in fact...
I'll tell you one thing, if Linux did not have X, I'd never use it.  I use
it mostly for networking and getting multiple text sessions on remote hosts.
X is the best way of doing this.

>> And a one disk installation of Linux can't really do anything, can it?  OK,
>> you could feasibly make a boot disk with a few TCP/IP clients on it,
>but you'd
>> have to remove so much stuff that it would be severely crippled.

>It can do plenty.

Given NFS.  Without NFS, rather less.

Tim.


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From: gnh1@Violin.CC.MsState.Edu (George N. Henderson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: Did Xconfig fry my monitor? (Posting for a friend)
Date: 30 Jun 1994 00:59:03 GMT


Hello.


My Gateway 2000 15" monitor also got the problem with a left-right shimmering after I started using Linux, I rather doubt Linux caused it, but anyway. 

I took it to a shop, they said it sounded like a capacitor was going out in it, and gave me an expected life on it of 1 week.

It actually lasted 15 more minutes, so now I need a new monitor.  0-(

Anyone who knows more about this than me want to comment?  The Gateway 2000 CrystalScan 15 is a relabeled Mag LX15.

Be happy...

--
- Stormy the Happinator     "The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ
                             Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
  IU sounds good to me.      Shall lure it back to cancel half a line,
  Yes, that's a hint.        Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it."

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From: 31khoo@wmich.edu (Beng Teck Here...)
Subject: Re: Difficult Linux Instructions...
Date: 29 Jun 94 20:51:30 EDT

In article <NILS.94Jun28173216@wildcat.dartmouth.edu>, nils@cs.dartmouth.edu (Nils Nieuwejaar) writes:
> 31khoo@wmich.edu (Beng Teck Here...) writes:
>    it, thanks to those who replied... :) But there must be a better
>    and easier way to get Linux up and running. I propose a
>    Linux-HOWTO, or a Linux For Dummies kind of doc that goes through
>    everything, from Distribution to X. I wouldn't mind writing such a
>    document, but as you can see, i am not even a 2 month old Linux
>    baby yet!!! :)
> 
> Have you read _Linux Installation and Getting Started_ by Matt Welsh?
> This sounds like the gentle introduction you are looking for.  It is
> available in the Linux Doc Project directory of your favorite Linux
> ftp site.

Yes, I have almost all of the Linux FAQs, HOWTOs and all the LDPs. Matt's LDP
does *NOT* go into more detail other than a "skim the surface" to X, modem and
sound and printing information. If only he had written that other stuff too!
his installation info was pretty good! sigh... i'll see my fvwm GoodStuff bar
yet one of these days... :)

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From: joev@garden.WPI.EDU (Joseph W. Vigneau)
Subject: Re: problems with gcc
Date: 29 Jun 1994 04:48:09 GMT

[ This isn't a Linux question, but here goes... ]

In article <Cs4ypB.2r6@ccg.upv.es>, Jordi Ferrando <jferrand@ccg.upv.es> wrote:
>I am having problems with gcc, using 
>#include <math.h>
>
>double power(double x, double y) {
>  double r;
>  
>  r = exp(x * ln(y));
>  return(r);
>}
>
>ok, i don't know if this is mathematically correct. I'm not going
>to think now. The point is that when i compile it with gcc, i have
>an error message, so that it does'nt find the procs ln and exp -but
>they are defined in math.h- I think i installed all the libs, also.
>any help will be greeted.

When you use the math functions, you must tell gcc to link in the
math library, libm.  To do this, use the following command line:

gcc -o program program.c -lm
                         ^^^--This tells the compiler to link with libm.

-- 
joev@wpi.edu, joev@hotblack.schunix.dmc.com     WPI Computer Science     Linux!
    <a href="http://www.wpi.edu:8080/~joev"> Click Here! </a>

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From: luthers@brtph8dd.bnr.ca (Luther Stephens P190)
Subject: 400 meg, 500 meg, & 1 gig Hard Disks
Date: 30 Jun 94 15:43:52 GMT


I am getting ready to purchase a hard disk in the size range
above, for use as the primary disk for linux. I have
noticed a few threads about problems with these larger 
disks. Can anyone recap this information, and/or provide
me with the information about which size/brands to stay
away from and why to stay away from them?

Thanks

luthers@bnr.ca

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From: danubius@coho.halcyon.com (Joe Pannon)
Subject: Re: Future of Debian Linux
Date: 29 Jun 1994 03:59:40 GMT

I like the unselfish attitude of Patrick regarding Debian expressed here 
and also in that Linux Journal interview.  I also read the piece about
the Debian distribution in another issue of Linux Journal but one
trivial thing I hoped to find out from that article was not addressed:
just where is that name "Debian" coming from?

Next time I'll ask about the name "Yggdrasil".  Now that's a name to
exercise your tongue with! ;-)

Joe

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From: zeidler@ai-lab.fh-furtwangen.de (Andreas Zeidler)
Subject: Re: QuickTime-Player
Date: 1 Jul 1994 16:46:44 +0200

Hi Eduard,

>>does anybody know, whether there's a player for Mac's QuickTime-Movies
>>available for Unix/X11?

[...]

>Check out sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/X11/xapps/xanim2681.tar.gz
>It boasts being able to play AVI and Quicktime, though I don't have either type
>files so I don't know for sure how well it works.

Thank you very much for your hint... Finally, I found

    nic.switch.ch:/mirror/X11/contrib/applications/xanim2682.tar.Z

and it works fine here on this Sun. I'll try later on my Linux-Box.
Unfortunately there's no sound yet, but maybe someone knows another
player that supports sound.

so long,


        Andi

-- 
...and if I died today,
I'd be the happy phantom...

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From: herbert@greathan.apana.org.au (Herbert Xu)
Subject: Re: Youngest linux user
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 04:00:56 GMT

Peter Berger (pit@p2.lxs.baboon.ch) wrote:
: sto2@netaxs.com (Brian Stoler) wrote:

:  > John Bryan (jhonsrid@drealm.drealm.org) wrote:
:  > : Btw, the youngest linux user I know is 15. Is that some kind of
:  > record?

:  > Well I'm 15 now, but I started using Linux 5 monthes ago, when I
:  > was 14.
:  > Do I hold the record? :)

Hey, who's the eldest?
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From: skilby@babbage.ece.uc.edu (Steve Kilby)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: simple questions ...
Date: 29 Jun 1994 05:15:26 GMT

Hey all,
    I have a few quick questions ....  First, why, under ksh, does the
root prompt not default to "#"?  I understand about PS1, etc ...  But,
under Sys V ksh when PS1 was set to "$" root would still go to "#".

    Second.  How do you set root's path under xdm?  Root logins do not
seem to pick up DisplayManager*userPath.

    Third, I am running xdm from inittab with the following line:

xw:345:wait:/usr/X386/bin/xdm -nodaemon

Everything seems fine, but .... whenever I end a session an error is 
logged in /usr/lib/X11/xdm-errors.  It seems the server is picking up
a fatal error.  "fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe, etc ......  Any clues
as to why this is happening????


                                       Thanks,
                                            Steve ....
--
smk@fore.com

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: wgsohne@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Guido Sohne)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 23:06:41 GMT

In article <Cs4uo1.BFz@visix.com>, David Charlap <david@visix.com> wrote:
>William Guido Sohne <wgsohne@tucson.Princeton.EDU> wrote:
>>
>>Well, price is always something people consider when choosing a software
>>package. When someone finds excellent software at the lowest of prices -
>>$0.00, wouldn't he/she find that amazing and pleasing?
>
>I don't think anyone's knocking free software, but it isn't the OSs
>fault if third parties haven't gotten around to making all the
>freeware you'd like for it.  Stop blaming IBM for not giving away the
>store.  MS isn't releasing any free software - they've just had a few
>years head start for third parties to release freeware.
>

Why don't you read the thread ? Jeez, I get knocked on the head and called
cheap because I prefer to go GNU. I defend myself against a certain Mark
Woolworth (who, incidentally, is a serious discredit to Team-OS/2). After I
succeed then you turn around and say no one's knocking free software. 
IBM/MS whatever. I don't care if they never release any software again. I
am independent of the kludges they package and market as OSes.Ok, maybe
only MS makes the *real* kludges. Still, I don't have the same needs as the
Joe Luser who thinks DOS/Windows is cool and keeps buying that crap. That
enables me to go for the best OS in the world. An OS that is stabler,
faster and truly for everyone who wants to *learn* about OSes and not
for those people whose only wish is to futz around bragging about their OS
and indulging in endless variations of boring Windows vs OS/2. Advocacy can
be 'interesting' for want of a better word but do you OS/2 and Windows
advocates have even the faintest idea of what lies below the surface.

For all you know there are rampant bubble sorts or worse still random sorts
and the like under the code. Logic bombs or security holes might exist.
Imagine if Microsoft had a back door to NT. Could never happen, you say.
You never know until you compile the source for yourself I say.

To get back to the point, I'm not blaming IBM for not giving away the
store. I'm blaming them for over-charging for a piece of crap. Read the
price list people have posted to the net. IBM has split TCP/IP into several
packages - NFS, X, BASE etc. Can't you see that its just like egging the
poor users on with a carrot ? Cough up $100 for base kit. Oh, you need NFS,
well sorry but it'll cost another $100. And on and on. $525 for the full
package. What a RIPOFF!

I'm sorry but I'm not biting. I won't pay more for networking, something
that should be part of any serious OS, than I paid for the OS itself.
How would you feel if Wordperfect unbundled the spell checker, grammar
checker, thesaurus, table editor etc. ?

Giving away the farm ? Your naivety astounds me. They are TAKING the farm
away from you and you claim that they shouldn't give away the farm.
The only truly graphical part of TCP/IP for OS/2 are: PMFTP PMX LAMAIL and
NR/2.

The really difficult parts of TCP/IP for OS/2, eg sendmail are straight
ports from Unix (probably AIX sources) OS/2 is multitasking and Unix
sources can be ported fairly easily. What you are paying so much for is
really just a PORT.

I refuse to be hoodwinked. I run Linux. It is free and so am I.

 

>>Yes. Or is a Dell computer not 'compatible' enough ? OS/2 was
>>obviously the problem here.
>
>Care to be a bit more specific?  Here, at Visix, we have four
>different Dell 486 boxes, all with S3 video, all on the network, all
>running OS/2 2.1 and TCP/IP 2.0 with no problems.
>
>Maybe you have an older box (I don't think Dell has OS/2 certification
>for all their older boxes), or maybe you have a configuration problem.
>
>>>If IBM's TCP/IP is so inferior, then why are so many people in this newsgroup
>>>talking about how nice it is?  And as for free software... You get what you pay
>>
>>Maybe they don't know better ? Maybe because they have political reasons ?
B
>>Maybe the sky will fall on our heads ? The fact is that based on my usage 
>>of both systems I find IBM TCP/IP to be inferior to Linux TCP/IP.
>
>Ah yes.  Accuse everyone who disagrees of having a political agenda.
>Has it ever occurred to you that some people really do run OS/2
>without problems?
>

More crap. Your brain must have atrophied while you have been
advocating OS/2. Let me make my point crystal clear. Even if everyone has
been running OS/2 without frequent crashes, it doesn't change the fact that
OS/2 is a memory hog, is sluggish, and contains kludges (eg HPFS, marketed
in such a manner as to sooth your brain and give you the warm fuzzies
because your file system is 'High Performance', sheesh). The fact is that
because you are so frantically trying to defend OS/2, you can't even
realize that it is the OS/2 advocates that have a political agenda. 

I said "The fact is ... I find IBM TCP/IP to be inferior to Linux TCP/IP"
but you replied "Has it ever occurred to you that some people really do run
OS/2 without problems?". Brain atrophy. Your reflexes are wired to pro
OS/2. So don't accuse me of accusing people who disagree with me of
having a political agenda. 


>>>Thats in your opinion. I paid $86 for OS/2 2.0. I later paid $88 for OS/2 2.1.
>>>Then I received OS/2 for Windows free from IBM. I have not had to upgrade any
>>>hardware in my system in order to have OS/2 work like it does, so to date, my
>>>total investment in OS/2 in well under $200.
>>
>>Well, if I could get prices like yours and free software from IBM too, I 
>>would still stay with Linux. It works faster and does more of what I want.
>
>Everyone had those prices, and can still get them.  IBM always has
>promotional pricing during the first few months of a new product.
>OS/2 2.1 had a $30 rebate for OS/2 2.0 users - making the cost about
B
>$40-$50 for people purchasing the CD-ROM edition from discount stores.
>Even today, the full OS/2 2.1 package can be gotten for under $100,
A
>and OS/2 for Windows can be gotten for $50.

Check your head, please. More Pavlov reflexes here. I said if I could get
prices like his and free software to boot, I WOULD STILL STAY WITH LINUX.
In other words, the price is, at this time, not the issue here. And with
the satisfaction I have gained from using and learning Linux, it will
never be the issue.

Responding to this statement like an automaton, you stepped on your soapbox
and trumpeted the cheap prices for OS/2. Like I said, one benefit of using
an OS like Linux(with source) is that you won't just sit on your butt all
day talking in circle - you'll actually learn something worthwhile.
 
>
>>That's the OS/2 anachronism. Buy a new improved OS to run apps that depend
>>on an old phucked OS. Run DOS under OS/2. Never will you be free of it.
>>If the software were free in the first place and with source, it would
>>have been native by now.
>
>There's a non-sequitor if I ever heard one.  "who needs DOS
>compatibility when you can download sources and recompile all your
>freeware natively".  I hate to break it to you, but most people can't
>get by exclusively on free software.
>

Well, like I said to you already,

        Linux is free and I am free.
You OTOH are locked into the upgrade cycle.

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From: elmer@Sneezy.net.ut.ee (Elmer Joandi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: What would you buy for a dream linux system?
Date: 30 Jun 1994 20:26:49 +0300

John Prevost (visigoth+@cs.cmu.edu) wrote:
: In article <2uug1r$7i6@opine.cs.umass.edu>,
: MATTHEW CROCKER <crocker@opine> wrote:
: {...setting up a pax...}
: >for the Host:
: >
: >GW2K  P5-90
: >32 MB RAM
: >540 MB IDE
: >ATI PCI-64 W/2MB
: >MS MOUSE

I have , for a long time, hold opinion, that  2 smaller (10ms) IDEs are faster
than one big (say 9 ms) under unix as server. Am I right ?  I have problaly
to make Linux server out of things we have - I suppose 2 210 MBMB 13ms runs
faster than  one 420 12ms.


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From: jes@mbio.med.upenn.edu (Joe Smith)
Subject: Re: Actix GE PLUS
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 1994 11:08:04 -0500

(Responding to a followup I wrote complaining of poor support for the Actix
cards in environments other than XFree, Nick disagreed)...

In article <vargish.773072943@tanelorn.sura.net>, Nick Vargish
<vargish@sura.net> wrote:
> I've been recommending the Actix board to people who ask for my
> opinion, and I'll continue to do so.
> 
> Nick

I've heard only good things about Xfree on Actix cards (but I don't have X
running, yet).  I have nothing but praise for the Actix *hardware*.  If
speed is everything, then you'll be happy.  But I traded 'up' from a
Diamond Speedstar, where the support was superb for everything BUT XFree
and I've been disappointed.  If anyone wants more specific information,
I'll be happy to be more specific about the problems I've had.

 Joe Smith
 University of Pennsylvania                    jes@mbio.med.upenn.edu
 Department of Physiology                      (215) 898-0485 - work
 Philadelphia, PA 19104-6059                   (609) 854-6428 - home

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2)
From: ajross@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrew)
Date: 1 Jul 94 14:05:31 GMT

wgsohne@tucson.Princeton.EDU (Guido Sohne) writes:

>That's where you are wrong. A single Linux disk can be used to transform
>*any* networked (Ethernet) PC into a system running a complete GUI and
>having full internet access. OS/2 just can't do this.

>--
>Guido

Alright Guido, this keeps getting better; we're up to a 'complete GUI'
and 'full internet access' now?  Prove it.

One disk: should be easy enough to put together.  Post an image.

Seriously, put your kernel where your mouth is and show us all how a
fully functional Linux system can be installed from a single 1.44MB
floppy.  I, for one, do not believe you.  Granted, I've never really
tried, but _every_ distribution I've checked comes on two disks at
least -- boot and root, and those are just enough to get a shell up to
run the install script along with drivers for whatever devices you are
installing from/to.  No X, no TCP/IP beyond a basic NFS system.

Now I like Linux, I really do.  I use linux and am happy doing so.  I
am growing more and more fed up, however, with your bigotry.  Now it's
nothing new, of course.  USENET is filled with bigots -- Mac bigots,
Amiga bigots, NT bigots, Gnu bigots.  I'm just a little distressed at
this new rash of Linux bigotry.  I mean, this is an OS that, uniquely
among OS's, is not _built_ on competition.  We ought to be happy with
our choice, working to improve it with each other.  Instead people
like you, Guido, continue to blather on like all the other USENET
bigots out there trying to cut down everyone else's system.  Stop it.

But by all means show us all how wonderful Linux is.  Post your one
disk Linux installation.  I would (quite honestly) love to see it.  

Andy Ross
ajross@husc.harvard.edu

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