Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #346
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Linux-Misc Digest #346, Volume #2                 Fri, 1 Jul 94 06:19:26 EDT

Contents:
  No subject (1)
  Re: Watching a user on an tty? (Roy Hann)
  Two Questions: INN and NTP (not NNTP) (Clay Luther)
  Re: Advice on which large IDE HD to buy .... (Jim Michael)
  Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2) (Leo L Turetsky)
  problems with minicom ... (Jordi Ferrando)
  Re: Future of Debian Linux (Paul J. Gans)
  Re: Word Perfect (David La Croix)
  Re: What would you buy for a dream linux system? (Scott A. Laird)
  Re: CQ de sm0fcj + k (Frank Lofaro)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Leo L Turetsky)
  Re: Does a Panasonic CR-563-B CD-ROM drive act like a CR-562? (Adam J. Richter)
  Re: Linux.... On a Sparc? (Rick Kelly)
  Re: Access to novell server (Andrew Anderson)
  Re: Linux.... On a Sparc? (Neil Woods)

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From: an103636@anon.penet.fi (1)
Reply-To: an103636@anon.penet.fi
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 22:58:23 UTC
Subject: No subject

In article <Cs1JpE.n1u@ucdavis.edu> you wrote:

:       When is DOOM for X coming out?  Will it come out
: with the advent of DOOM 1.4?

: A couple of my friends have the game, and they think it's
: best thing since an MLT - Mutton Lettuce and Tomato, you 
: know when the mutton is nice and lean...  but I digress. :)

: I'd like to get it, but it isn't worth it to me to create
: a DOS partition, buy DOS, etc, for DOOM.  I would like to
: be able to run it in Linux (YES! - A great game for Linux!!)

: I'm working on some utilities for working with the doom wad
: and converting sounds and stuff, but I'd like to be able to
: get the game to test out on. :)

: So folks!  DOOM for X, DOOM for X, DOOM for X! :)

: Later,

:       -Sam            (slouken@cs.ucdavis.edu)

IN YOUR DREAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: rhh@tachy.uah.ualberta.ca (Roy Hann)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Watching a user on an tty?
Date: 30 Jun 1994 16:59:13 GMT

dmw@prism1.prism1.com (David Wright) writes:
: >>>>> "RH" == Roy Hann <rhh@tachy.uah.ualberta.ca> writes:
: 
:   RH> Once again, I have to shake my head and marvel at people who casually
:   RH> post everything from broad hints to explicit recipes for compromising
:   RH> system security.  Please DON'T!  I am begging now.
: 
:       What you are advocating is "security through obsurity". 

I am not at all advocating "security through obscurity", I am
advocating that we should not advertise strategies and opportunities
for system penetration.  I am reasonably sure my systems are properly
secured, but I know that a great number of systems have been delivered
to me with breaches built-in and that a great many such systems are
operated by relatively naive sysadmins.  I would have a lot more
sympathy for postings that outline penetration strategies if they also
include detailed instructions on countermeasures.  But I still think it
is wisest and most public spirited to be VERY vague about the
penetration technique and very precise about the counter measure.
I don't need to know how to pick a lock to know it's smart to buy a good 
one.  I don't need to know that the old lady down the block keeps her 
money under the bed to know that a bank is a good idea.  I don't need to 
know how to use it to understand that it is a good idea to secure /dev/kmem.
In short, telling the details gets you nothing, and risks harming the 
community.

[deleted]
:  That other person's post did not
: release any info that the "wrong" people didn't already have. 

That may be your intuition, but it is totally unsupported.  Since it appears
to be the bedrock of your position I would like to challenge you to produce
facts to support that.

: Even if it did,
: and there was a real bug, it should STILL be released so at least people knew
: to start looking & being carefull. 

Only if you can be sure that a sufficiently large fraction of the people who
should see it do see it, and only if you can be sure they know what to do 
about it once they see it.  If you could assure me of these things I would be
quite a bit happier, but I don't think you can.

: The "bad" people ALREADY know about it
: (this is the only sane position to take), and in relatity they honestly DO
: spread this information around amongst themselves extremely rapidly.

So you see no harm in helping them spread it more quickly and thoroughly?
  
:   RH> Most crackers that I have come across are actually kind of dumb.  They
:   RH> don't know what they are doing particularly, they are just following 
:   RH> a recipe, passed on by word-of-mouth, that started with one of the 
:   RH> rare ones who DID have some technical smarts.  Please don't help those 
:   RH> a**holes propagate their tricks, or give them any new ideas.
: 
:       I suggest that the people YOU have come across are the exception,
: not the rule. 

Maybe my experience is unusual, I don't know, but it _is_ my experience.  
It is not clear to me that you are recounting personal experiences, or just 
things you've heard about.  

: Kind of like the losers who watched "War Games" and got into
: being "hackers" for a week or two. These are NOT the people you need to
: worry about, as the "serious" hackers & crackers only throw them tidbits long
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: after most sites have fixed the loophole(s).
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Where in the world do you get this from?!  What a breathtakingly bald
assertion!  Facts please--if you can.

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From: clay@monsta.metronet.com (Clay Luther)
Subject: Two Questions: INN and NTP (not NNTP)
Date: 30 Jun 1994 12:06:56 -0500

INN:

I have followed the instructions for setting up INN in the slackware
release.  However, I am not receiving any news.  More to the point, I cannot
locate anything which mentions how to make my machine "ask" for news from my
server (although I find plenty of discussion about how to "accept" news from
a server - not exactly the same thing.)

Any pointers would be helpful.

NTP:

I cannot find a copy of ntpd in the slackware distribution.  I NEED one.  My
clock apparently loses MINUTES a day.  I haven't been able to find a copy of
ntpd in the linux archives or, for that matter, anywhere else.  Archie gives me
an error when I look for it.

Again, any pointers would be helpful.

Thanks!

-- 
Clay Luther                           clay@monsta.metronet.com
Systems Administrator                 clay@gojira.monsta.com
Monsta, Inc.                          (214) 407-0029

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: genepool@netcom.com (Jim Michael)
Subject: Re: Advice on which large IDE HD to buy ....
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 16:31:01 GMT

Richard W Kaszeta (kaszeta@arctic.uucp) wrote:
: asktan@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Kenneth Tan) writes:

: >Don't buy anything larger than 528MB (1024 cyl, 16 hd, 63 sect).  Even
: >though the disk geometries are pretty meaningless, now that they are all
: >Zone-Bit-Recording, they are still being used by Linux and DOS.
: >[I've got a 540Mb and had a really rough time with Linux and DOS...
: > personally, I'd recommend you get the 420Mb instead.]

: I'd recommend _against_ a western digital 420 Meg Hard Drive. Although
: it always worked flawlessly under DOS and OS/2, Linux chokes on it.
: If I partition it with DOS or OS/2, then linux won't recognize the
: existing partitions. If I paritition it with Linux, it only lets me
: format 120 Meg of the drive...

: Still haven't puzzled this one out.

I have 2 WD caviar drives on my system, both 420MB and I have had no
problems with Linux related to the drives. /hda is a dos drive and /hdb
is Linux. I am using the Yggdrasil Summer 94 release, and a Plus IDE vesa
controller.

Jim

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From: Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 12:41:26 -0400

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 30-Jun-94 Re: OS/2 and Linux
discusse.. by Tim Cutts@cus.cam.ac.uk 
> OK.  But I can probably do it with two disks.  And you're not
listening to me.
> I included OpenLook because it is the closest equivalent to Workplace Shell
> that Linux has.  Emacs is there because OS/2 also comes with a configurable
> editor, EPM.  I am just including the Linux equivalents of what comes
with the
> full OS/2 distribution.  If you say X is an addon app, I can say Presentation
> Manager and WPS is an addon.  Bingo - instantly down to a couple of disks.
> How many times do I have to say this? Presentation Manager is not OS/2!

Actually, I hate OpenLook. I use fvwm. Same difference in functionality
but fvwm is faster and uses les RAM. Use Ez if you want an editor, it's
like six times smaller than emacs with more editing features. Fine PM is
an addon. Now what do you have left... nothing. I eliminate X and I
still have unix...
  
> And a one disk installation of Linux can't really do anything, can it?  OK,
> you could feasibly make a boot disk with a few TCP/IP clients on it,
but you'd
> have to remove so much stuff that it would be severely crippled.

It can do plenty.

-Leo

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From: jferrand@ccg.upv.es (Jordi Ferrando)
Subject: problems with minicom ...
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 22:57:08 GMT

Hello all.
I've tried minicom for first time today, but it hangs up after non-more
than 5 minutes. I always use other terminal programs with my modem, and
got no-hangup. Is it unstable? Does it have many bugs?
(I've got linux 1.0.8).
bye, jordi ferrando ,valencia, europe.


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From: gans@scholar.chem.nyu.edu (Paul J. Gans)
Subject: Re: Future of Debian Linux
Date: 29 Jun 1994 20:35:22 GMT
Reply-To: gans@scholar.chem.nyu.edu

I'd like to echo Patrick Volkerding's sentiments.  Linux has gotten
to its present point precisely because a large number of rather
selfless people have been willing to put time, effort, and I suspect,
blood into developing and adapting programs and distributions.  There
is no *one true way*.  

PS:  I'm just back from PC Expo '94 here in New York.  A true zoo.
And I now realize that its software theme was Microsoft, Borland, Lotus,
WordPerfect, Symantec, and a very few others shouting that theirs is
the one true way.  Perhaps that's why I use HAPPILY use linux.

    ----- Paul J. Gans   [gans@scholar.chem.nyu.edu]
                                 ^
                                 |
                a 486/33 happily running linux 1.1.18



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From: dlacroix@guilder (David La Croix)
Subject: Re: Word Perfect
Date: 29 Jun 1994 23:18:39 GMT

Ok, here's a question relating to the WordPerfect Demo version
(for SCO)

According to /usr/src/linux/ibcs/PROD.Patches/WP

7. WP ship .snf fonts which the distributed XFree86 servers don't like.
   You need to remove the .snf fonts and reconvert the supplied .bdf
   descriptions to .pcf font files:

        # cd shlib
        # for bdf in *.bdf
        > do
        >   fn=`basename $bdf .bdf`
        >   [ -r $fn.snf ] && mv $fn.snf $fn.snf.old
        >   bdftopcf -o $fn.pcf $bdf
        > done
        # mkfontdir .
        # xset fp rehash

Well, the demo version doesn't have ANY bdf fonts...  how can I run this?

Can  I use my /usr/X386/lib/fonts/75dpi fonts?

Please Reply by E-mail (since this newsgroup grows rediculously fast)
--
dlacroix@guilder.bevd.blacksburg.va.us (the newest addition to the net)
dlacroix@vt.edu

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
From: lair@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Scott A. Laird)
Subject: Re: What would you buy for a dream linux system?
Reply-To: lair@midway.uchicago.edu
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 00:11:51 GMT

In article <2uuv8p$1cg@sneezy.net.ut.ee> you write:
>I have , for a long time, hold opinion, that  2 smaller (10ms) IDEs are faster
>than one big (say 9 ms) under unix as server. Am I right ?  I have problaly
>to make Linux server out of things we have - I suppose 2 210 MBMB 13ms runs
>faster than  one 420 12ms.
>

Probably not 2 IDE drives.  Maybe 2 SCSI drives, since you can read
and write to both of them at once, but the IDE drives limit you to
accessing one drive at a time, so all you really gain is the time to
seek from one point to another.  Also, the larger drives tend to have
faster electronics and so forth, while the lower-end drives tend to go
for low price, so the larger drive may well be twice as fast.  I've
heard really fast transfer numbers from some of the 1 Gb SCSI drives,
much faster than any IDE drive I've seen.  Now, you may be getter
going with 2 1Gb SCSI drives than 1 2Gb drive, but probably not 2 500
Mb IDE drives than 1 1Gb SCSI drive.

Scott.
-- 
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lair@midway.uchicago.edu  |                - Nigel on his 64-bit computer


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From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: Re: CQ de sm0fcj + k
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 94 05:38:29 GMT

In article <2usgkg$1ck@b11.b11.ingr.com> rocker@rock.b11.ingr.com (Ray Rocker) writes:
>>In article <1141@blox.se> bj0rn@blox.se (Bjorn Ekwall) writes:
>>>Are my eyes just extra sensitive to ham callsigns, or does Linux
>>>have a special attraction for people such as us?
>
>Could be because ham radio toys cost so damn much we have little left over
>for things like operating systems. 
>
>And news travels fast in the ham radio community, kinda like the Internet
>community, so the word about Linux is out.
>
>And of course we hams know a quality product when we see one :)
>

And if you are using packet radio, you can blame unreliable communications  
on sunspots or radio frequency interference, instead of on the bugs in the  
Linux networking code.

:) :)

>Now if they'll just port CT or NA to Linux for us contesters...
>
>73
>
>-- ray WQ5L rrrocker@ingr.com



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From: Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 12:46:51 -0400

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 30-Jun-94 Re: Linux better
than OS/2 .. by Robert Sanders@mindsprin 
> NeXTSTEP is very cool, granted, and I'm sure it's a dream to develop
> under (and to work under, for that matter), but it's hardly small or
> especially fast, and the driver support isn't nearly as good as
> Linux's.  You can't even run it on a 386sx, for chrissake.

Umm, no. It's not slow... it's probably twice as fast as your average
486 PC. Driver support is incredible and continues to grow. Why would I
want to run anything on a 386sx?

-Leo

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From: adam@adam.yggdrasil.com (Adam J. Richter)
Subject: Re: Does a Panasonic CR-563-B CD-ROM drive act like a CR-562?
Date: 28 Jun 1994 21:17:49 GMT

In article <2uqkr1$1bf7@ilx049.iil.intel.com>,
Doug Braun <dbraun@iil.intel.com> wrote:
>I can't get the Fall '93 Yggdrasil Linux CD-ROM to boot up 
>on my PC.  I have a 586 box with a Panasonic CR-563-B drive [...]

        I've never heard of a CR-563B, but the CR-562B and CR-563B are
essentially the same drive.  Make sure that the drive is configured as
unit 0.  There should be a jumper on the back for this purpose.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
From: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Subject: Re: Linux.... On a Sparc?
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 01:58:44 GMT

Ziniu "Michael" Wei (ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote:
: Yan Xiao (xiao@ie.utoronto.ca) wrote:
: > dave@morris.uucp (Dave Smith) writes:


: > Well, I have something more comparable:  can Sun 386i run
: > Linux?  Or is it better off, if 386i can, to run Sun OS4.0.1?

: 386i does run SunOS 4.0.1.

And since it's architecture is not AT compatible, it won't run any other
OS unless you port it.

-- 

Rick Kelly  rmk@rmkhome.com  rmk@bedford.progress.com

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From: andersoa@news.db.erau.edu (Andrew Anderson)
Subject: Re: Access to novell server
Date: 1 Jul 1994 01:09:47 GMT

Sim Yskes (sim@tempo.nest.nl) wrote:
: Where can i offer myself as a potiential victom, for testing NCP IPX/SPX
: support in the linux kernel?

Add me to the list of testers (if there is one!)

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|  Andrew Anderson                              andersoa@erau.db.erau.edu   |
|  Novell Network System Administrator          andersoa@bart.db.erau.edu   |
|  Linux System Administrator                   andrew@wilbur.db.erau.edu   |
|                                                                           |
| I don't speak for ERAU, and God knows I don't want them to speak for me!  | 
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
From: ex1neil@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Neil Woods)
Subject: Re: Linux.... On a Sparc?
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 01:49:36 GMT

In article <2uqiqr$9br@blackbird.db.erau.edu> andersoa@news.db.erau.edu (Andrew Anderson) writes:
>Lewis E. Wolfgang (wolfgang@sunspot.nosc.mil) wrote:
>: In article <2ua7pc$anv@blackbird.db.erau.edu>,
>: Andrew Anderson <andersoa@news.db.erau.edu> wrote:
>: >I agree.  My '66 will do loops around a Sparc 10...an operation that took
>: >45 minutes on a Sparc-10 only took about 2 or 3 on my Pentium!
>
>: Would you please document your "operation" so that others could try to
>: replicate it and report their experiences?  If your claim can be replicated
>: it would make the Pentium significantly faster than ANY other CPU, including
>: PA-RISC and ALPHA.
>
>Sure, I was running Crack version 4.1 against my password file.  I was
>running Linux 1.0.8 on a Pentium 66, 16Megs ram, 20Megs swap.  My friend 
>ran it on a Sparc 10, 128Megs ram, around 100Megs swap on SunOS 4.1.3.

Crack on linux will have been compiled using the fast crypt routines in the 
linux library, whereas SunOs is using the standard crypt.

Re-compile both sets of Crack sources, using the UFC-crypt routines,
(written by Michael Glad, email: glad@daimi.aau.dk.), and *then* compare the 
results.

A Pentium may be fast, but it's not *that* fast (in comparison, that is).

        Neil.
        

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