Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #345
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Date:     Fri, 1 Jul 94 00:13:09 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #345, Volume #2                 Fri, 1 Jul 94 00:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  Re: slipstuff.tgz -- Scripts for SLIPping up (Christian Holtje)
  Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2) (Andrew)
  Re: Where can I get the POSIX standard? (Chris Flatters)
  Re: [term] Boo-hoo! (Between 408 and 510...)
  Re: Word Perfect (Charles Hedrick)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Andrew)
  Re: QuickTime-Player (Eduard Marghidan)
  Re: Youngest linux user (Harvey J. Stein)
  Re: Only 7000 Linux boxes, Re: Multiport Bored ... (Tim Smith)
  Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2) (Jim Robinson)
  Re: Word Perfect (Mark A. Davis)
  Linux/UNIX database software? (Feltercarb)
  Mouse Problems... (Steven Rune Weise)
  Re: [Q] Is S3-924 better than S3-911? (Richard M. Warner)
  Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2) (Leo L Turetsky)
  Re: vi with text formatting (color,font, (Carsten Schabacker)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Leo L Turetsky)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Leo L Turetsky)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Leo L Turetsky)
  Re: Word Perfect (Ludwig Van.)
  Re: Word Perfect (Timothy S. Weaver)
  Re: When is the Next Infomagic CD set? (Gerry Snyder)
  Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2 (Tom Wilson)

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From: choltje@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Christian Holtje)
Subject: Re: slipstuff.tgz -- Scripts for SLIPping up
Date: 30 Jun 1994 02:18:18 GMT

lellis@dmccorp.com (John Lellis) writes:
[ Mentions lack of the actual script ]

Yeah. It was pretty embarassing. *sigh*
It's fixed... it's called slipscript-1.0.1.tgz now.... 

        -Doc




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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2)
From: ajross@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrew)
Date: 30 Jun 94 21:04:48 GMT

Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU> writes:

>Actually, I hate OpenLook. I use fvwm. Same difference in functionality
>but fvwm is faster and uses les RAM. Use Ez if you want an editor, it's
>like six times smaller than emacs with more editing features. Fine PM is
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>an addon. Now what do you have left... nothing. I eliminate X and I
>still have unix...

Ahem...  Now you are _really_ getting out of hand.  Are your _sure_
about that? ;)

Also, if you are using (or not using, as the case may be) OpenLook as
a window manager then you are missing the point.  OpenLook, like the
WPS, is an OO (sort of) environment.  It does more than manage your
window borders and launch programs.

You also seem be missing the fact that OS/2 _also_ has extensive
character mode features, and can be booted using CMD.EXE (or 4OS2, or
even bash) as the shell.  There are quite a few character mode
applications out there that make no use of PM -- including most of the
gnu stuff.  Eliminate X and you still have Unix.  Eliminate PM and you
still have OS/2.  Where is the difference?
  
>> And a one disk installation of Linux can't really do anything, can it?  OK,
>> you could feasibly make a boot disk with a few TCP/IP clients on it,
>but you'd
>> have to remove so much stuff that it would be severely crippled.

>It can do plenty.

OK, come on now.  If we are going to have rabid flame wars here, you
are going to have to try harder.  The poster above made the point that
you really can't do much with a one-floppy unix system (or OS/2
system, for that matter).  He even went out of his way to admit there
might be a few things you _could_ stick on it -- telnet, etc...

You responded:  It can do plenty.

Plenty of what?  Come on now, _that's_ not advocacy.  Let's see some
effort ;)

Andy Ross
ajross@husc.harvard.edu


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From: cflatter@laphroaig.nrao.edu (Chris Flatters)
Subject: Re: Where can I get the POSIX standard?
Date: 30 Jun 1994 16:10:24 GMT

>>>>> "Bill" == Bill Chesnut <bchesnut@clark.net> writes:

    Bill> Henry Ware (hware@bronze.coil.com) wrote: 
    Bill> : Are the POSIX 1003.x standards available for ftp or 
    Bill> : are they proprietary?

    Bill> : Do we have a free and open system conforming to a
    Bill> : proprietary standard?  Or did I just not look hard enough?

    Bill> you could try info@osf.org osf (open software foundation) is
    Bill> responsible for posix.

The IEEE is responsible for the POSIX suite of standards.  The IEEE is an
accredited national standards body and so the POSIX standards that have
been approved so far are {\it de jure} standards and are not proprietary.
If you want a copy, though, you will have to pay for one (the
comp.standards.unix FAQ should have the necessary details).


-- 
==============================================================================
Chris Flatters                                          cflatter@nrao.edu
==============================================================================
Well, our problem stems from the fact that we, basically, allow every planet
and moon-base this side of Alpha Centauri to make their own version of Spam.
                                                        "Mystery Meat"
                                                        Man... or Astroman?

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From: leob@netcom.com (Between 408 and 510...)
Subject: Re: [term] Boo-hoo!
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 01:22:16 GMT

        The following is a compilation from Netcom FAQ (I couldn't
do cut-n-paste because of (c) Netcom - do not duplicate or copy. :-)

        They don't support the use of 
        SCREEN, layers, term, and X-Windows.  They don't
        prohibit these programs, but if there's not enough resources
        "users of such programs will be killed off without warning."

        NB: Not the programs, but the users of such programs!

        Leo


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From: hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick)
Subject: Re: Word Perfect
Date: 30 Jun 94 16:11:15 GMT

tweaver@kaiwan.com (Timothy S. Weaver) writes:

>Just goes to show why developers who began on a DOS or Windows platform 
>should never be allowed to write on other systems. Think we could get a 
>law passed? The Video Game & Bloated Code Restriction Act of 1994.

Don't even joke about it.  A few years ago some legislators in NJ
tried to pass a law saying that you couldn't program without a license.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
From: ajross@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrew)
Date: 30 Jun 94 15:10:17 GMT

Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU> writes:

>Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 29-Jun-94 Re: Linux better
>than OS/2 .. by David Charlap@visix.com 
>> >I wish someone would write a good, small, fast, stable multitasking OS
>> >with broad-based device driver support. This kind of OS would destroy
>> >OS/2, Windows 3.1, Chicago, NT, etc.
>>  
>> Dream on.  No company has the resources to throw in a full suite of
>> features, add driver support for all known hardware, and get it to
>> market before it becomes obsolete.  I'm afraid you're going to have to
>> settle for two out of three.

>Uummm, NeXTSTEP? I'll take three out of three, thanks.

>-Leo

Ah, NeXTStep 486 was released what, a year and a half late and had
support for all of (I believe) _3_ video cards.  What was that about
getting it to market on time with support for all known hardware?
I'll buy the full suite of features part, however.  It's a really nice
system, if you have $700 to blow.

Now really, try to calm down.  This Linux - OS/2 ( - NextStep?) fight
has me a bit perplexed.  I am a happy user of both OS/2 _and_ Linux.
They are both, IMHO, excelent systems, for almost entirely unrealated
reasons.  Linux doens't run my Word Processor or my spreadsheet, doesn't
connect (except through DOS emulation) to the Netware servers at work,
and takes hours to days to configure properly.  OS/2 doesn't run
Moasic (yet), doesn't compile Unix sources without some work, has expensive
TCP/IP and X packages and lacks on-line documentation for its API (I
don't own C/Set++ or Borland's compiler).  I am not about to drop
either system right now -- they really aren't all that comparable.
Why all the fuss?

Andy Ross
ajross@husc.harvard.edu


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From: eduard@qdeck.com (Eduard Marghidan)
Subject: Re: QuickTime-Player
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 23:22:55 GMT

     Andreas Zeidler wrote in article <2uu2qk$jlu@artemis.ai-lab.fh-furtwangen.de> :
>
>Hi,
>
>does anybody know, whether there's a player for Mac's QuickTime-Movies
>available for Unix/X11?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>
>       Andi
>-- 
>...and if I died today,
>I'd be the happy phantom...
>

Check out sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/X11/xapps/xanim2681.tar.gz
It boasts being able to play AVI and Quicktime, though I don't have either type
files so I don't know for sure how well it works.
Eduard
eduard@qdeck.com
<< usual employer disclaimer here >>
...and I'd go chasing the nuns out in the yard...

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Subject: Re: Youngest linux user
From: hjstein@sunset.huji.ac.il (Harvey J. Stein)
Date: 30 Jun 94 18:54:38



By 11 year old brother-in-law is visiting for the summer & using my
Linux machine.  He boots it with the boot disk, logs in, runs startx,
starts up the xpilots server & client & plays xpilot.  He also played
with xfig to draw a picture of a time machine.  When he's done he
ejects the boot floopy & powers down with cntrl-alt-del.

I'm trying to get him to use logo.  We'll see if ucblogo can compete
with his Sega Game Gear...

--
Harvey J. Stein
Berger Financial Research

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From: tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Only 7000 Linux boxes, Re: Multiport Bored ...
Date: 29 Jun 1994 03:00:40 GMT

Tim Cutts <tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>Microsoft isn't ripping disk compression out of DOS.
>
>Which planet do you live on?  Microsoft lost their case against Stac and had
>to remove DoubleSpace from subsequent copies of DOS 6.2.

I live on Earth.  Where do you live?  On Earth, Microsoft and Stac settled.
They cross licensed their patents, Microsoft bought $40 million worth of
Stac preferred stock, and agreed to pay royalties of $1 million/month for
about the next 40 months, and Microsoft doesn't have to remove or recall
anything.

You should consider pulling yourself away from the net long enough to
look at a newspaper now and then!

---Tim Smith

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From: jimr@shorty.cs.wisc.edu (Jim Robinson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2)
Date: 29 Jun 1994 22:24:06 GMT

In article <1994Jun29.172601.19658@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> mbhpfpj@meehpd.ee.man.ac.uk (Paul Floyd) writes:
>It was 21.
>
>There were something like 25 for early copies of 2.1, but that was reduced
>to 20 by using better compression.

See my other post. :)


>>      5) Why in the hell should I have to pay more money then
>>         what I already spent to get the damn thing in order
>>         to get the patchs to make it work as advertised? I'm
>>         not talking extra functionality here, I am talking
>>         about WORKING AS ADVERTISED (windows support, etc.)
>
>I've never paid for CSDs.



Good for you.  Same for the other person who said that he didn't have
to pay.  I *did* have to pay.

        A) Not everybody with OS/2 has access to Internet.
        B) Not everybody with OS/2 can foot the phone bill to download
           20 more disks for the CSD over long-distance on IBM's BBS.
        C) I paid a lot of money for OS/2, direct from IBM.  And
           it did not work as advertised.  That reflects poorly
           on them.

Yes I can gripe about having to pay for it, there was no alternative
except for the one I later opted for after I got feed up enough
(moving to Linux).  And don't anybody say I should have returned it
for DOS/Windows.  If I had to give up Linux I would go back to OS/2.
That does not mean it is ok for IBM to sell software so bug filled it
crashed my machine once a day while running software they claimed it
would run better then Windows.


Jim


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From: mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Word Perfect
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 01:49:50 GMT

tweaver@kaiwan.com (Timothy S. Weaver) writes:

>Just goes to show why developers who began on a DOS or Windows platform 
>should never be allowed to write on other systems. Think we could get a 
>law passed? The Video Game & Bloated Code Restriction Act of 1994.

Umm, you may have to blame Unix and X just as much as anything else.
Look at ANY very complex Unix/X program, and you will see a very large
block of code.  Writing a program which is portable, multi-user, secure,
multi-platform, multi-printing, multi-everything, is neither an easy
task nor a small [coded] task.

When you are writing software for a pseudo-OS (like MS-"DOS"), in which
you can take over the machine and do anything you want, while being
always single user, no terminals, no portability, no security concerns, etc,
it is much easier to do what you want with less code.
-- 
  /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
  | Mark A. Davis    | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
  | Sys.Administrator|  Computer Services   | mark@taylor.infi.net           |
  \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

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From: feltercarb@aol.com (Feltercarb)
Subject: Linux/UNIX database software?
Date: 29 Jun 1994 19:36:05 -0400

I'm looking for a decent (and preferably cheap or free) database
package for Linux/UNIX.  I need something that can accept some of the
more popular formats, at least for importing sake.

Our current database is in Microsoft Access, and I'm really tired of
its problems, so we're thinking of setting up a Unix (Linux) network
so we can have multiple people performing data entry simultanously.

Any ideas?

Rob


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From: weise@hobby.cs.ucdavis.edu (Steven Rune Weise)
Subject: Mouse Problems...
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 00:17:18 GMT

 

   Well, I am looking for help on getting my mouse to work 100%...
Right now it works some of the time, and the rest it doesn't work... I
have a Agiler mouse which, in DOS, is compatible to an MSCMouse,
Microsoft Mouse, and a Logitech mouse, take your pick... In Linux I
have tried both microsoft and mscmouse... Using Microsoft it works
some of the time... I usually try to test the mouse using the nosey
program... This occasionally works... Sometimes it doesn't work, I
screw around with a few NON-mouse programs (ASCII games, etc), and
then try it and it works!!!!

   If anyone has any ideas on how to correct this, it would be greatly
appreciated!

Thanks, Steve Weise.



>Steven Weise                    <-|*|*|*|-> srweise@ucdavis.edu     <
>Computer Engineering            <-|*|*|*|-> weise@cs.ucdavis.edu    <
>University of California, Davis <-|*|*|*|-> srweise@engr.ucdavis.edu<

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From: rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard M. Warner)
Subject: Re: [Q] Is S3-924 better than S3-911?
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 15:02:18 GMT

In article <2usg4i$glb@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> hskim@ripley.ece.uiuc.edu (Han Kim) writes:
>From: hskim@ripley.ece.uiuc.edu (Han Kim)
>Subject: [Q] Is S3-924 better than S3-911?
>Date: 29 Jun 1994 18:56:18 GMT
>Hi. Maybe this is not a good question to post here, but at your mercy,
>Here goes it. 
>I'm about to buy a S3-86C924 board (used, ISA) for my Linux box (486
>EISA - alas, I wish I could buy a new EISA board..).
>I have another Linux box in my lab with a S3-911 (Orchid Fahrenheit)
>and we are very happy with it. My question is, how S3-924 compares to
>S3-911, or in general, to others in S3 family (if any)?
>Thanks for your time,
>       Han..
>
>--
>Han Seok Kim                          | hskim@uiwpls.ece.uiuc.edu
>Wave Propagation Lab.                 | (217) 333 - 4406
>Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign | Linux - to die for

Well, the 924 is quite similar to the 911.  The problem with both the
911 and the 924 is that they have been orphaned.  Vendors jumped
ship to support the 801/805 S3 chips, and some do not provide 911/924
drivers and others only do so as an afterthought.  The 924 and then 911
were the first generation of S3 chips.  Boards based on these chips used 
VRAM and were quite fast given proper drivers.  Then the 801/805 chips came 
out; boards based on these chips use DRAM.  The use of DRAM makes it
cheaper/easier to make a board but there are some performance penalties.
I just replaced my 911-based board with an 801-based board; the 801 is no
faster and in fact may be a tad slower, but at least I can now get the
driver support I need.

If it is cheap and you have drivers for everything you will ever want to
run, get the 924 based board.  But if it is more than $50 or if you
will need future driver support, forget the 924-based product and get 
an 801-based board.  Some of the 801 boards are hovering at the $100
price mark - new - these days.

 -rick warner-
  Network Manager

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From: Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 12:26:30 -0400

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 30-Jun-94 Re: OS/2 and Linux
discusse.. by Chun Hsu@msu.edu 
> Funny, I don't remember getting any patches for Linux sent
> for free.  Even funnier, I spent all of a week trying to figure
> out the various packages I had to upgrade (gcc, Xfree, kernel, etc.)
> just to get Mosaic to work.  Same thing to install PPP.  I 
> suppose I could "raise my consumer standards" and chew out
> Linux developers.

Fine no flame war... But you are missing the true point behind my post.
Linux is free and you can't complain to anyone about something not
working. You can give the author a bug report or fix it yourself, but by
no means should you complain because the software doesn't compile on
your machine. I didn't have to upgrade anyhting to get XMosaic to work,
for example, but I can't get bash to work properly. I'm not complaining
at all... actually I'm quite pleased that I have been able to solve most
of these problems myself.

-Leo

+----------------------------------------------------------+
| Leo Turetsky          |  1) leo@professor.pc.cc.cmu.edu  |
| Sigma Nu              |  2) professor@cmu.edu            |
| 1055 Morewood Ave.    |  Carnegie-Mellon University      |
| Pittsburgh, PA 15213  |  Sophomore, ECE\CS Double Major  |
| (412) 862-2963        |  Nugget: SPIN BHBHY, YAXY?       |
+----------------------esp---------------------------------+


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Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 05:51:00 +0200
From: Carsten_Schabacker@p39.rollo.central.de (Carsten Schabacker)
Subject: Re: vi with text formatting (color,font,

Hi David,

David M. Ramsey@2:2437/209.0 hat am 27.06.94 geschrieben:

>From: dmr@dsinc.com (David M. Ramsey)
>
>Does anyone know of a vi package that has been extended to support
>language specific (C, C++, etc.) text formatting?
>
>What I am looking for is a vi that will display code with comments
>in a certain color/font, reserved words in a certain color/font,
>etc.  Borland's editor for their Microsoft Windows C++ development
>environment is a good example of what I am looking for, except with
>vi command syntax.
>
>Anyone know where I can find such a beast?

If you find it please send me a mail. I'm very interested in.






Tschau Carsten...




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From: Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 12:31:38 -0400

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 30-Jun-94 Re: Linux better
than OS/2 .. by mibo@isi026.isi.kfa-juel 
> >Simple equation:  Linux = $0.00 < OS/2 = $100.00.
>  
> Maybe too simple. What does your university pay for Usenet access? To be fair
> one should compare real cost. 
>  
> Linux on CD \approx DM 80.00 < OS/2 on CD = DM 99.00. The relation
still holds,
> but the difference is smaller.

Huh? Netcom costs $20 a month. Cleveland FreeNet is just that, free. My
university can pay whatever they want... my tuition won't go down the
$80 you claim it costs if I don't have this access. Besides, InfoMagic
(I think) is offering 2 CDs for under $20. I.e. equation still holds.

-Leo

+----------------------------------------------------------+
| Leo Turetsky          |  1) leo@professor.pc.cc.cmu.edu  |
| Sigma Nu              |  2) professor@cmu.edu            |
| 1055 Morewood Ave.    |  Carnegie-Mellon University      |
| Pittsburgh, PA 15213  |  Sophomore, ECE\CS Double Major  |
| (412) 862-2963        |  Nugget: SPIN BHBHY, YAXY?       |
+----------------------esp---------------------------------+


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From: Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 12:34:27 -0400

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 30-Jun-94 Re: Linux better
than OS/2 .. by Tim Cutts@cus.cam.ac.uk 
> Because, if Dell's old architecture is a bit non-standard, the last thing
> IBM want to do is have to bloat their code even more in order to fix it.
> They probably figured the number of users that would be inconvenienced would
> be too small to make it commercially viable to do so.

Sounds like the same explanation that Linux users use when approached
with the question, "How come this doesn't compile on my machine?" But,
Linux is free and people are most likely trying to fix the problem in
the next kernel release, unlike IMB's stop drop method.

This wasn't aimed at you, Tim. I was just pointing out why OS/2 is inferior.

-Leo

+----------------------------------------------------------+
| Leo Turetsky          |  1) leo@professor.pc.cc.cmu.edu  |
| Sigma Nu              |  2) professor@cmu.edu            |
| 1055 Morewood Ave.    |  Carnegie-Mellon University      |
| Pittsburgh, PA 15213  |  Sophomore, ECE\CS Double Major  |
| (412) 862-2963        |  Nugget: SPIN BHBHY, YAXY?       |
+----------------------esp---------------------------------+


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From: Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 12:36:15 -0400

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 30-Jun-94 Re: Linux better
than OS/2 .. by Tim Cutts@cus.cam.ac.uk 
> Uh, fast?  I'd heard NextSTEP required vast amounts of RAM to be useable.
> Most of us don't have 450 pounds to spend on upgrading our memory.

I know people who ran it in 8 for the longest time. I bet that's all you
have. If you jave 16,...... like I was saying, "I'll take three out of
three, thanks."

-Leo

+----------------------------------------------------------+
| Leo Turetsky          |  1) leo@professor.pc.cc.cmu.edu  |
| Sigma Nu              |  2) professor@cmu.edu            |
| 1055 Morewood Ave.    |  Carnegie-Mellon University      |
| Pittsburgh, PA 15213  |  Sophomore, ECE\CS Double Major  |
| (412) 862-2963        |  Nugget: SPIN BHBHY, YAXY?       |
+----------------------esp---------------------------------+


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From: lruppert@iguana.syr.EDU (Ludwig Van.)
Subject: Re: Word Perfect
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 00:02:10 GMT

In article <Cs85Fq.DtD@Newbridge.COM> ehenry@Newbridge.COM (Ethan Henry) writes:
[...]
>You need a license to build a bridge or practice medicine,
>but any idiot can market a CAD program for civil engineering
>or write firmware for a complex patient monitor. You need
>several hundred hours of flight experience to pilot a big
>747-type passenger jet, but some university co-op student can
>write controller code for the automatic systems ?

True, but the CAD program and the patient model don't design the
bridges or diagnose patients.  The professionals do.  The programs
just ease the tedium of the work they have to do.  I don't know about
the autopilot software, but it is my guess that the student coops
don't create the algorithms involved in controlling the planes.  I
would assume that that is done by a qualified professional, like an
aerospace engineer or other equally qualified aeronautics expert.  I
do think that something like that should have to be tested to see if
it functions, but to require a programmer to get a license is nothing
less than absurd.

>This is completely irrelevant to c.o.l.m, but it had to be said.

Agreed.

>Ethan

-Lou Ruppert
(who still can't get MH to compile with the patches found on sunsite.
What can be done about _gptr?)
-- 
"Until you stalk and overrun, you can't devour anyone."   -Hobbes
Lou Ruppert                     lruppert@mailbox.syr.edu
My opinions are my own.  My attention span isn't long enough for

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From: tweaver@kaiwan.com (Timothy S. Weaver)
Subject: Re: Word Perfect
Date: 29 Jun 1994 15:41:13 -0700

Just goes to show why developers who began on a DOS or Windows platform 
should never be allowed to write on other systems. Think we could get a 
law passed? The Video Game & Bloated Code Restriction Act of 1994.


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From: Gerald.C.Snyder@jpl.nasa.gov (Gerry Snyder)
Subject: Re: When is the Next Infomagic CD set?
Date: 29 Jun 1994 22:55:56 GMT

In article <1994Jun26.204328.2370@tora.RoBIN.de>, sws@tora.RoBIN.de (Steffen W. Schilke) says:
>
>Byron Faber (btf57346@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>: Anybody know when the next infomagic cd set is going to be
>: released?
>
>The announcment from the dealer here said "... every two month ..."
>I am waiting to get my hands on the next copy ;-)

I asked them 5 days ago, and they said that they were in a hold mode,
waiting for the 1.2 release of Slackware, and hoped to ship by the 
second week in July, slightly later than the 2-month cycle would indicate.

>
>--
>[Standard Disclaimer] in addition I would like to speak with my lawyer ....
>S. Schilke; PoBox 1213; 61102 Bad Vilbel; Germany  a.k.a  sws@tora.RoBIN.de
>                  Sokonoke Sokonoke tora-sama ga touru
>$@%9%F%U%'%s(J  $@CN2H!Z%7%k%1![(J  $@$=$3$N$1$=$3$N$18WMM$,DL$k(J
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gerry Snyder, speaking only for myself, and not even an Infomagic
customer yet (but an orderer)

Gerald.C.Snyder@jpl.nasa.gov

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From: ctwilson@mercury.interpath.net (Tom Wilson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2
Date: 29 Jun 1994 22:18:47 -0400

In article <1994Jun25.093822.24697@Princeton.EDU>,
William Guido Sohne <wgsohne@stone.Princeton.EDU> wrote:
>In article <361_9406242100@genesplicer.org>,
>Mark Woolworth <Mark.Woolworth@choice.genesplicer.org> wrote:
>>Hello William

[CHOMP!]
>>
>Not so fast here. I was describing a method for those people (which 
>happens to be most people) who don't have access to the Linux 
>distributions via NFS. It was so before me and my friends installed 
>Linux. Now anyone in Princeton University wanting to install Linux needs 
>only _2 floppies_. On the day you can install OS/2 using 2 floppy disks only 
>on a networked machine could you please give me a call ?
 
Hate to burst your gleeful little bubble, but I've done many 2 disk 
networked installs of OS/2...takes about 20-25 minutes for a full install.
Add about another 20-25 to get Netware and TCP/IP base package installed
and configured in a minimal way (it's a bit messy to get them to coexist, 
but doable)

I admit it only takes *one disk* for a networked install of NT, but that 
really doesn't matter, since neither one of them is exactly a prize.
Personally, I like OS/2 better than NT, but that's not saying much.
I definitely prefer Linux to both.
[CHOMP!]
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|  Tom Wilson                      |  "I can't complain, but sometimes  |
|  ctwilson@rock.concert.net       |   I still do."                     |
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