Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #344
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Date:     Thu, 30 Jun 94 21:13:26 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #344, Volume #2                Thu, 30 Jun 94 21:13:26 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Enhanced IDE with Linux? (Craig I. Hagan)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Dmitry Irtegov)
  Re: Actix GE PLUS (Grant Edwards)
  25 0 (Greg Bothe)
  How come I can't connect sockets between machines? (Wigs)
  Compiling X servers! (Paul Quinn)
  Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2) (Paul Carver)
  Re: [Q] Linux WWW Server possible? (Michael James Gebis)
  Re: Watching a user on an tty? (Ami Fischman)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Mike Dahmus)
  Re: Youngest linux user (Brandon S. Allbery)
  SCO and Linux (Mike Jagdis)
  Re: Word Perfect (Mike Jagdis)
  Re: Youngest linux user (Francois Vigneron)
  Re: [term] Boo-hoo! (Bill Hogan)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Dances With Geeks)
  Re: What would you buy for a dream linux system? (John Prevost)

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From: hagan@opine (Craig I. Hagan)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Enhanced IDE with Linux?
Date: 30 Jun 1994 15:55:03 GMT

interesting, the only problems that i have seen with a drive
that has > 1024 cylinders is that the vmlinuz file
MUST be below cylinder 1024 in order for LILO
to properly boot the machine. Since my drive
has 1224 cylinders, i partitioned the drive
so that my / partition i on the first couple hundred
cylinders. I have never had a problem, even with the
early versions of linux (0.12, 0.95, etc)

-- craig


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From: fat@cnit.nsk.su (Dmitry Irtegov)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 06:09:02 GMT

OK, people, I have a stupid question:

Linux distribution contains about 30 floppies. TCP/IP, C/C++/ObjC, all with
sources, also games, LaTeX, SmallTalk and some other things that average 
user do not need.
OS/2 2.99beta has 19 floppies itself, 8 floppies TCP/IP, and about
10 floppies you need for some decent software development system.
NO SOURCES.

Why OS/2 distributive is THAT big?

     I have had some idea why it is, when I saw IBM TCP/IP PM ping.
Look, you have simple, small and useful tool, for example pencil.
Than you think you need to ehance it somehow. And you add to your pencil 
something... For example, CD-player.

     OK, instead of getting pencil with attached CD, you got CD with 
attached pencil, which is useless, but you don't care...

     PM ping is something similar. It opens large window with status line and
dialog box to type in host address to ping. I guess, data and code for all 
that stuff is order of magnitude bigger than ping program itself.

     Instead of ping with GUI you have GUI with ping, hidden deep inside.
My example is not good, because CD-player itself is useful thing, even with
attached useless pencil, but what do you think about GUI without program?
Or about GUI which is much bigger than a program?

     I have read somevhere on the net a definition of kludge(sp?) as a
"Ugly and complex artifact doing trivial function". IMHO, this sort of
ping program is definitely a kludge.

     If you so care about user-friendlyness and fool-robustness, why
don't you write an internet autoconfigurator? Imagine, your setup
program broadcasts for RARP/BOOTP; ask you, whenever you want to use
their addresses or will type in your own; broadcast for DNS/NIS; ask
you, which one should be primary; ask DNS for name of your address, etc.
And all with GOOD online help...

     IMHO, in simple LAN's with one DNS/NIS and one router this would
give you working configuration without any user's mental activity.
And it will be much more useful than all that PM ikebana...

     I wouldn't write it by myself only because I'm lazy.

If you want to answer, please email to fat@cnit.nsk.su or fat@nw.cnit.nsk.su,
because my newsreader configuration is broken.

Fat Brother


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From: grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Actix GE PLUS
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 21:56:55 GMT

Paul Quinn (p_quinn@ECE.Concordia.CA) wrote:

: I'm going to buy a new VLB graphics card.  The one I really want is
: the #9GXE64, but there is no X server.

: Has anyone tried teh Actix GE Plus.  It is an S3 928 chip-based card.

: Any opinions concerning this card?

I use a Actix GE+ VLB for X under Linux and it's FAST.  According to
the xbench numbers I've seen, it's probably a tad slower than a #9GXE,
but I doubt you would notice.

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  I'm not an Iranian!!  I
Rosemount Inc.                                |voted for Dianne Feinstein!!
                                              |
grante@rosemount.com                          |

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From: gbothe@netrats.dayton.saic.com (Greg Bothe)
Subject: 25 0
Date: 30 Jun 1994 21:21:45 GMT



--
Greg Bothe, Jr.                              |
                                             |  Hard Disk - A device that
Wright State University                      |  allows naive users to delete
gbothe@discover.wright.edu (preferred)       |  vast amounts of data with a
Science Applications Int'l Corp (SAIC)       |  few simple commands.
bothegjr@ccmail.dayton.saic.com (alternate)  |

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From: wiegley@phakt.usc.edu (Wigs)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: How come I can't connect sockets between machines?
Date: 29 Jun 1994 23:55:16 -0700


I just got linux running on an ncr51c810 scsi card for my lab.  everything
went great!!!   *Mega-Kudos* to Drew!!!

anyways.  the linux machine is trapper.usc.edu (128.125.4.25) and I've
finally gotten the network configuration semi-correct.  that is to say I
guessed at my gateway and nameserver addresses.  Now it will let me telnet
and ftp all over the world from trapper and I can also telnet into trapper
just fine.

*HOWEVER* the big thing I am trying to do right now is to establish a
socket connection between two machines on the internet.  I have *very*
simple code to create/bind a socket on a machine and then wait for a second
machine which also creates a socket to connect to it.  when they connect
they simply pass a little data back and forth so I know it is working
correctly.

between the mainframes here at campus everything works fine.
(phakt.usc.edu and iris.usc.edu are two major machines on campus) I can run
my socket programs between them and everything works fine.

however the intention is that trapper will be the machine listening for
connections.   everything compiles on trapper (the new linux pc) and I can
tell it to listen on port 27350 for a socket connection and it goes just
fine.

however whenever I try to "call" trapper from any other machine (including
trapper itself) with the socket program that tries to connect to trapper.
the connect() calls return -1 and errno is because of ECONREFUSED

could somebody *PLEASE* tell me why this is happening?

am I missing something cruscial in my network setup?
I am missing some understanding of underlying protocols or something??

basically what causes a machine to REFUSE a connect() call to it?

thanks for any help I appreciate it a lot.

- Jeff Wiegley
wiegley@usc.edu

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux.development
From: p_quinn@ECE.Concordia.CA (Paul Quinn)
Subject: Compiling X servers!
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 21:11:20 GMT


I have recently read the posts about patching the S3 X server so that it can
run with an S3 864 (#9GXE)  I was wondering:

1.  Where do I get the source for the S3 X server?

2.  How do I compile X servers?  Is there a make?


Thanks,

--
________
Paul Quinn
p_quinn@ece.concordia.ca
Computer Science: Systems Architecture
Concordia University
Montreal, QC, CANADA
========

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: PCCARVE@crsgi1.erenj.com (Paul Carver)
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 16:36:47 GMT

In article <8i4QWmK00WB_MCTKBD@andrew.cmu.edu> Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>From: Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU>
>Subject: Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2)
>Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 15:17:06 -0400

Am I reading this correctly?  One ordinary 3.5 inch floppy disk will
let me install enough of Linux to get a fair impression of how it works?
I'm limited to news here, but if you'll mail me the ftp site and any
instructions necessary for this one disk install I'll try it when I get
back to school in the fall.  My school address is:
pcarver@physics.rutgers.edu

Paul

PS.  I'm using Win 3.1 now, I've just ordered the OS/2 Beta so I would
be glad to give Linux  vs OS/2 a completely objective apraisal.


>Entirely fair my foot. Show me a disk that can install basic OS/2 on
>your hard drive without inserting anither disk. Linux base is one disk.
>X is an addon app. Emacs is entriley unnecessary. OpenLook is unneeded.
>I don't know much about perl and sc but I've been using Linux for a few
>months and haven't run into them once,... so...

>-Leo

>+----------------------------------------------------------+
>| Leo Turetsky          |  1) leo@professor.pc.cc.cmu.edu  |
>| Sigma Nu              |  2) professor@cmu.edu            |
>| 1055 Morewood Ave.    |  Carnegie-Mellon University      |
>| Pittsburgh, PA 15213  |  Sophomore, ECE\CS Double Major  |
>| (412) 862-2963        |  Nugget: SPIN BHBHY, YAXY?       |
>+----------------------esp---------------------------------+



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From: mjg51721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael James Gebis)
Subject: Re: [Q] Linux WWW Server possible?
Date: 28 Jun 1994 23:11:26 GMT

fox@otago.ac.nz writes:

>Hay All,
> 
>Maybe it is a stupid question, but what is involved in making a Linux box
>a WWW *Server* ? I don't exactly know what protocol is involved.. Is it a
>a sepparate protocol altogeter, or is it a kind of script running on
>top of Telnet or FTP?
>Is there a daemon available for it?
> 
>I would like to setup a wee WWW Server on my system, to have at least a
>local 'page'.
> 
NCSA httpd will run on Linux.  
Check out ftp://ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Web/ncsa_httpd  (Or something close to
that)

>Any info welcome. Please reply by E-mail, as I have currently problems
>getting into the Usenet system.

I'm mailing as well as posting, in case someone has the same question.

-- 
Mike Gebis  m-gebis@uiuc.edu    Mean people suck.
http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~mg7932/mike.html

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From: a540ami@pic.ucla.edu (Ami Fischman)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Watching a user on an tty?
Date: 27 Jun 1994 17:57:54 GMT

My advice:
get GNU screen -- it let's a attach a session that's already attached on
another pty, so you can effectively have two terminals connected to the same
process. 
--
                                        --Ami
                                          Have YOU hugged YOUR smurf today?
If a group of _N persons implements a COBOL compiler, there will be _N-1
passes.  Someone in the group has to be the manager.
                -- T. Cheatham

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From: miked@news.gate.net (Mike Dahmus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 30 Jun 1994 17:53:04 -0400

In article <Ai4lIoO00WB7QYXHsd@andrew.cmu.edu> Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>All of three cards? Incorrect. Why don't you find out something about
>the specs. ftp.next.com (unless they changed it). It has more drivers
>that work than OS/2 ever will have. Plus NeXT doesn't release broken
>drivers and OS's and not provide free fixes, not that this has happened
>yet to my knowledge.

Provide some supporting evidence, or stop making these wildly nonsensical
claims. Only a complete idiot would claim that NextStep currently supports
more hardware than does OS/2.

And what do you call CSD1 and CSD2? Taken together, they provide all of the
"fixes" necessary to upgrade OS/2 2.0 to OS/2 2.1 level (without upgrading
Win-OS/2 to 3.1, or giving multimedia).

Cost of these fixes: $0.00

Cost of service pack 1 for OS/2 2.1: $0.00

And if you think Next has never released versions of NextStep with bugs, I'd
like to sell you some land in the Everglades.
-- 
Mike Dahmus                       Curator, rec.sport.football Hall o' Bait 
miked@gate.net                                     also miked@vnet.ibm.com
Please don't vote me new Kibo!     "Something must be BROKEN here at IBM!" 

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Youngest linux user
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 22:25:06 GMT

In article <Cs7usy.395@eskimo.com>, fyl@eskimo.com (Phil Hughes) says:
+---------------
| But all she does with it is play mille.  She does her "serious computing"
| under MS-DOG/Windoze.  Not that she likes it -- just thinks Corel Draw is
+------------->8

Wait till Eric gets SCO CorelDraw running under the iBCS emulator :-)

| drawings of a Linux (whatever that is).  We want them for our December
| cover.
+------------->8

Err, what?  I don't think there is such a thing.  I reworked the original PS
LDP logo slightly (used a real font for the word Linux) to make name tags for
Dayton (hi folks :-) but there are as many Linux logos as there are Linuxers
with graphical design sense :-)

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@44.70.4.88               bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
Friends don't let friends load Windows NT (tnx Sun)    A Linux iBCS2 developer
  The Witness (the Universe's biggest practical joker) is at it again... who
  else would pit the U.S. soccer team against Brazil on the Fourth of July?!

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From: jaggy@purplet.demon.co.uk (Mike Jagdis)
Subject: SCO and Linux
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 23:54:00 +0000

* In message <2uoq6q$5k7@kubds1.kub.nl>, J. J. Paijmans said:

JP> Every once in a while I hear references to the fact that SCO
JP> binaries and/or the SCO filesystem can be read/executed under Linux,
JP> but I can't find no clues in FAQ's or HOWTO's.
JP> As I have a complete SCO sitting somewhere on a pile of
JP> disks, my interest is not purely academic.
JP> Anybody any idea?

tsx-11.mit.edu:pub/linux/ALPHA/ibcs2

                                Mike  
 

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From: jaggy@purplet.demon.co.uk (Mike Jagdis)
Subject: Re: Word Perfect
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 23:52:00 +0000

* In message <2uo908$kp1@golden.ncw.net>, Craig A. Miller said:

CM> How much RAM does WordPerfect require to run on a Linux box
CM> currently?

The X version is a 4MB binary of which the typical RSS is seems to be around 
2-2.5MB after initial start up.

  This is, of course, a damn good reason why WP should compile a Linux 
version if they wish to sell to desktop systems as most of that size 
consists of the X library code which would be better coming from the sahred 
library :-).

CM> Could someone send me an FAQ, or let me know what I need
CM> specifically in
CM> order to get WordPerfect for Linux/Motif up and running?

Get the iBCS emulator from tsx-11.mit.edu:pub/linux/ALPHA/ibcs2 and read the 
documentation...

                                Mike  
 

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From: vigneron@remcomp.fdn.org (Francois Vigneron)
Subject: Re: Youngest linux user
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 11:26:36 GMT

  There has been several messages to determine who is going to be the
youngest Linux user... I bet that there will soon be someone who is
going to say:

"My wife is pregnant. She programs under Linux." So the youngest Linux user
will still be in the womb. :-))))))))

"- How old is the youngest Linux user?"
 - he is minus 8.99999 mounths..." :-))))))))))))))

Couldn't we have so more interesting topics on this conference?

For example:
Do space aliens use FVWM, TWM, or MWM under X?
How many mothers-in-law over 50 Y.O. use "bc" under Linux to compute
their family budget?
-- 
F. Vigneron, Remcomp SARL, RCS Paris B393329511       vigneron@remcomp.fdn.org
tel: +33.1.44.79.06.42                                  fax: +33 1 42.46.39.55
LIBERNET (tm)       33-1-4022-9093                v32 v32bis v42 v42bis MNP4/5
service telematique 33-1-4247-0611 (x2)      v22b v32 v32bis v42 v42bis MNP4/5

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From: bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan)
Subject: Re: [term] Boo-hoo!
Date: 30 Jun 1994 09:12:09 -0700

Tim Cutts (tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk) wrote:

: I don't believe term has anything to do with the GNU project, just for your
: information.

: Tim.

========================================================================
                           Term. version 1.11

              Copyright (c) 1992,1993,1994 Michael O'Reilly
                  All Rights Reserved

    This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
    it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
    the Free Software Foundation; either version 1, or (at your option)
    any later version.

    This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
    but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
    MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
    GNU General Public License for more details.

    You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
    along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
    Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.

===============================================================================
                                
 Bill
-- 
  Bill Hogan
{echo "Subject: get bhogan@crl.com" | mail pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu}

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From: lilo@slip-1-49.ots.utexas.edu (Dances With Geeks)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 30 Jun 1994 22:32:56 GMT

On 30 Jun 94 08:01:45 GMT, mibo@isi026.isi.kfa-juelich.de wrote:

> In <Yi4QOjK00WB_8CTHYv@andrew.cmu.edu>, professor+@CMU.EDU (Leo L Turetsky) writes:
> >Simple equation:  Linux = $0.00 < OS/2 = $100.00.

> Maybe too simple. What does your university pay for Usenet access? To be fair
> one should compare real cost. 

> Linux on CD \approx DM 80.00 < OS/2 on CD = DM 99.00. The relation still holds,
> but the difference is smaller.

Well, to be fair, let's add other options.  I paid $64 with shipping and
handling for a complete Slackware release on 3.5" disks.  But we're
comparing apples to oranges, because that what I got contained all of the
compilers, TCP/IP programs, games, utilities, etc....


lilo

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
From: visigoth+@cs.cmu.edu (John Prevost)
Subject: Re: What would you buy for a dream linux system?
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 16:09:30 GMT

In article <2uug1r$7i6@opine.cs.umass.edu>,
MATTHEW CROCKER <crocker@opine> wrote:
{...setting up a pax...}
>for the Host:
>
>GW2K  P5-90
>32 MB RAM
>540 MB IDE
>ATI PCI-64 W/2MB
>MS MOUSE
>
One question: Why are you buying a 2MB PCI video card?  This machine
shouldn't need that kind of graphics power, since you won't run X...
Go for a low-end video card...
{...}
>
>This machine probably won't be running X,  I don't want to waste any RAM
>by running X.   (Does XFree86 support the Mach64 chip)



>NNTP server/ WWW/ Gopher  (basically this machine will run all sorts
>                           of stuff thet I don't want on the host machine)
>
>GW2K 486-66 VL
>16 MB RAM
>540 MB IDE
>ATI VL-32 w/ 2MB
>
{...}
>This machine will be running X and will have a 17" monitor (from GW2K)
>Does XFree86 support 64k colors with the mach32  (2MB = 1024x768x16bit)

XFree doesn't officially support more than 256.  3.1 should support more.

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