Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #341
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Date:     Thu, 30 Jun 94 13:13:49 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #341, Volume #2                Thu, 30 Jun 94 13:13:49 EDT

Contents:
  NETWARE AND LINUX (Peter O Orondo)
  Linux on PS/2? (KAUTZ RICHARD W)
  Re: [term] Boo-hoo! (Bill Hogan)
  Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2) (Gerry Snyder)
  What would you buy for a dream linux system? (MATTHEW CROCKER)
  Re: Watching a user on an tty? (Patrick Schaaf)
  Re: Smail/Sendmail problem (John Sundberg)
  OS evaluation (Curtis Varner)
  Re: [term] Boo-hoo! (Bill P Woodward)
  Re: [Q] Linux WWW Server possible? (Bayard Coolidge USG ZKO3-3/S20)
  Re: Youngest linux user (Walter F. Lundby)
  FTape:  endless searching (Robert A. Hayden)
  Re: Youngest linux user (Phil Hughes)
  Location of badblocks program? (Bill Gribble)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Paul Carver)
  Re: Did Xconfig fry my monitor? (Posting for a friend) (Mark van Hoeij)
  Re: When is the Next Infomagic CD set? (Steffen W. Schilke)

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From: orondo@cyways.com (Peter O Orondo)
Subject: NETWARE AND LINUX
Date: 30 Jun 1994 14:27:45 GMT

I am looking for a way to make linux receive IPX packets from a 
netware file server. I badly need advice, where can I start? Are there
packages out there to do this? I know Linux supports IPX, I need to know
how to get them talking.

Can I also know of where I can find sources for linux IPX support.

thanks y'all

Please send me e-mail: orondo@cyways.com

Peter Orondo
cyways, inc

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From: kautz@ecf.toronto.edu (KAUTZ RICHARD W)
Subject: Linux on PS/2?
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 19:26:15 GMT

Hi,

I've got a friend with a PS/2 interested in installing Linux. However, I know
that the documentation states that it's far from guaranteed to work. Does 
anyone have any experience one way or the other? How about XFree?

Thanks,

Richard Kautz  Dept. of Electrical Engineering University of Toronto

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From: bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan)
Subject: Re: [term] Boo-hoo!
Date: 29 Jun 1994 14:49:23 -0700

Thomas Boutell (boutell@netcom.com) wrote:
: In article <2ur4ds$1tn@crl.crl.com>, Bill Hogan <bhogan@crl.com> wrote:
: >  Drat it!
: >
: >  I was on my way here to solicit interesting suggestions about fun things
: >I could do now that I had 'term' installed on both my box at home and on
: >my internet-access provider's machine, but I happened to check my mail
: >first and I found a letter from my internet-access provider, informing me
: >that I was not allowed to use 'term' on their computer. 
: >
: >  Now I am wondering about possible alternatives.
: >
: >  Specifically, I am wondering if anyone is (yet) offering a completely
: >Linux-based internet-access service that would, subject to appropriate
: >limits, allow me to do thinks like use Gnu 'term'. 

: If you're willing to go get another account to do this, why don't you
: get a real SLIP account? 

  I want to work with Gnu 'term' because I want to understand how Gnu 
'term' works.

  That is the whole point here.

  If all I want to do is run software and make wild guesses about what the
source code looks like, all I have to do is boot up DOS+Windows! :)

: I tend to suspect service providers will begin to forbid term at an
: increasing rate. (Unfortunately for us, although I don't blame them --
: they want to bill SLIP users at SLIP rates.)

  I'm not sure that service providers are free to "forbid" a less
expensive use of the facilities to which they sell access, purely for the
purpose of making people access those facilities in a more expensive way,
if in fact any service providers are doing that. 

  If 'the market' wants things like Gnu 'term' more than things like "real 
SLIP accounts" then that is what 'the market' is supposed to get, isn't that 
right?

  But please don't anyone misunderstand me: I like CRL and I admire the 
quality of the service they provide.

  (As a fledgling Linux/Unix system administrator myself, I am learning how
fiendishly difficult things can get with just one PC, let alone a whole
fleet of computers.) 

 To be sure, *if* using Gnu 'term' is a more efficient utilization of
computing resources than a "real SLIP account" then any system of
accounting rules that required its use be economically penalized would
seem to me to be objectively counterproductive by definition, but all I am
looking for at the moment is a Unix box that I can dial into and that will
let me run Gnu 'term' on both ends. 

  BH

    

  

-- 
  Bill Hogan
{echo "Subject: get bhogan@crl.com" | mail pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu}

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From: Gerald.C.Snyder@jpl.nasa.gov (Gerry Snyder)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2)
Date: 30 Jun 1994 14:30:42 GMT

In article <2ussa6$spo@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, jimr@shorty.cs.wisc.edu (Jim Robinson) says:
>
>....
>That does not mean it is ok for IBM to sell software so bug filled it
>crashed my machine once a day while running software they claimed it
>would run better then Windows.
>
>

If it crashed only once a day, it _did_ run better than Windows.    ;-)

>Jim
>

Gerry, definitely speaking for no one else.

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From: crocker@opine (MATTHEW CROCKER)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: What would you buy for a dream linux system?
Date: 30 Jun 1994 13:07:07 GMT

Hello All,

  It has been a while since I have run linux so bear with me.

  I am will be setting up a public-access internet site in the
coming months and I want to use linux as the base platform. I
need the nets advice on what to buy for hardware.  In everything
that I mention stability is the most important feature, speed comes
second, cost comes third.  (stable, speed, cost) in that order.

for the Host:

GW2K  P5-90
32 MB RAM
540 MB IDE
ATI PCI-64 W/2MB
MS MOUSE

I will have 2 PCI slots available on this machine and I need to add
an Ethernet card & a SCSI controller,  what would you recommend?

Is there a PCI-SCSI-2 card that is compatible?
Is there a PCI-Ethernet card that is compatible
Is the 3Com Etherlink III 16 bit  compatible?

What would you buy,  remember stable drivers are the most important.

This machine probably won't be running X,  I don't want to waste any RAM
by running X.   (Does XFree86 support the Mach64 chip)

NNTP server/ WWW/ Gopher  (basically this machine will run all sorts
                           of stuff thet I don't want on the host machine)

GW2K 486-66 VL
16 MB RAM
540 MB IDE
ATI VL-32 w/ 2MB

What VL-SCSI card would you buy?
What VL-Ethernet card would you buy?

This machine will be running X and will have a 17" monitor (from GW2K)
Does XFree86 support 64k colors with the mach32  (2MB = 1024x768x16bit)

This machine will not have users logging in, it will maintain the NNTP server
along with a bunch of other things...


What I'm asking the net is what works and what doesn't,  whats fast

Also,  for both machines I plan on buying a 1.2 GB SCSI drive (along with
the factory installed 540 MB IDE),  what drives are fully supported?

-Matt/2


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
From: bof@wg.saar.de (Patrick Schaaf)
Subject: Re: Watching a user on an tty?
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 14:47:52 GMT

rhh@tachy.uah.ualberta.ca (Roy Hann) writes:

>Once again, I have to shake my head and marvel at people who casually
>post everything from broad hints to explicit recipes for compromising
>system security.  Please DON'T!  I am begging now.

That's ridiculous. cd /usr/src/linux and find all the bugs you want
to exploit. Alternatively, buy some book on Unix security. You'll
find /dev/kmem mentioned there. In an open OS, there is no way
to keep things secret, and doing so hurts more than it helps.

Joe Random Cracker with root access is BAD. Make sure he can't become
root.

Patrick

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From: uspra016@mmm.com (John Sundberg)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux,comp.sys.unix.internals
Subject: Re: Smail/Sendmail problem
Date: 30 Jun 1994 10:14:22 -0500
Reply-To: uspra016@mmm.com

Karsten Johansson (ksaj@csis.pcscav.com) wrote:
> Hi.



> 06/22/94 18:31:47: [m0qGapf-0007sRC] received
> |            from: ksaj
> |         program: smail
> |            size: 993 bytes
> 06/22/94 18:31:49: [m0qGapf-0007sRC] user@some.domain.org ... deferred:
> (ERR_170) router uucp_neighbors: read error in output from /usr/bin/uuname'


Solved this one last night for myself -- you need to edit 

/usr/lib/smail/routers 
comment out the section about uucp_neighbors

currently your mail should be in 
/usr/spool/smail/input and after editing routers and killing then
restarting sendmail the mail should get moved to
/usr/spool/uucp/* 

BTW - this question would have been better asked in the newly
formed smail news group.

-John

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From: cvarner@corsa.ucr.edu (Curtis Varner)
Subject: OS evaluation
Date: 29 Jun 1994 21:59:52 GMT

Hello,

We need information on the relative suitability of various Unix
implementation for a system that will be used as an internet services
server for a governmental orginization.  Systems under consideration
are: Linux, BSD, SCO, SolarisX86, Unixware.  Issues include, but
aren't limited to, support, stability, compatibility with relevent
free software, compliance with and support of recognized standards,
and ease of development, administration/maintenance, and installation.
Furthermore, an idea as to the size of the installed base of each of
the above systems would be appreciated.

Curtis Varner
cvarner@cs.ucr.edu

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From: wpwood@blacky.pencom.com (Bill P Woodward)
Subject: Re: [term] Boo-hoo!
Date: 30 Jun 1994 13:19:47 GMT
Reply-To: wpwood@pencom.com (Bill Woodward)

In article <2ur4ds$1tn@crl.crl.com> bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan) writes:
>
>  Drat it!
>
>  I was on my way here to solicit interesting suggestions about fun things
>I could do now that I had 'term' installed on both my box at home and on
>my internet-access provider's machine, but I happened to check my mail
>first and I found a letter from my internet-access provider, informing me
>that I was not allowed to use 'term' on their computer. 
>
>  Now I am wondering about possible alternatives.
>
>  Specifically, I am wondering if anyone is (yet) offering a completely
>Linux-based internet-access service that would, subject to appropriate
>limits, allow me to do thinks like use Gnu 'term'. 
>

Dump 'em.  Term puts no more load on a serial line than doing a zmodem
download, and the only reason that they would restrict you from using
term is so they can charge you for dial-up slip or ppp.

I am using term between my box at home and my internet access
provider, and have had no problems.  The admins don't have to do a
thing to get it set up, so it shouldn't be any skin off their noses
what you do to the serial line which you are exclusively using.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Bill Woodward   | wpwood@pencom.com | PHENOMENAL COSMIC
Pencom Software | 512-343-6666 x353 | POWERS (itty-bitty
co-Xist Support | Crack the Sky fan | living space)

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From: coolidge@zk3.dec.com (Bayard Coolidge USG ZKO3-3/S20)
Subject: Re: [Q] Linux WWW Server possible?
Date: 29 Jun 1994 15:47:25 GMT
Reply-To: coolidge@zk3.dec.com (Bayard Coolidge USG ZKO3-3/S20)


: fox@otago.ac.nz writes:

: >Hay All,
: > 
: >Maybe it is a stupid question, but what is involved in making a Linux box
: >a WWW *Server* ? I don't exactly know what protocol is involved.. Is it a
: >a sepparate protocol altogeter, or is it a kind of script running on
: >top of Telnet or FTP?
: >Is there a daemon available for it?
: > 
: >I would like to setup a wee WWW Server on my system, to have at least a
: >local 'page'.
: > 
-- 

Drop a line to Cybersmith, Inc. at www@dorian.csi.nb.ca, and ask them
how they did it. I was browsing around one evening, and caught their
home page on an internal listing here, and tried it out. Only after I
browsed through everything, and used their comment/feedback widget did
I realize I'd been served by a Linux system. Quite impressive!

==============================================================================
Bayard R. Coolidge      N1HO    DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are
Digital Equipment Corp.         solely those of the author, and not
Nashua, New Hampshire, USA      those of Digital Equipment Corporation
coolidge@zk3.dec.com            nor any other entity.
    "Brake for Moose - It can save your life" - N.H. Fish & Game Dept.
==============================================================================

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From: lundby@rtsg.mot.com (Walter F. Lundby)
Subject: Re: Youngest linux user
Date: 28 Jun 1994 18:02:35 GMT

My 8 + 10  year old use it.  No problem once X11 is running.
Just don't give them net access.  (The game groups would bankrupt
me)


-- 
Walter Lundby


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: FTape:  endless searching
From: hayden@vorlon.mankato.msus.edu (Robert A. Hayden)
Date: 28 Jun 94 22:34:25 -0500

The Kernel:             1.1.13 (built on Slackware 1.20)
The Tape Drive:         Colorado 250mb
The Drivers:            ftape-1.12c

I've got a problem with FTape and it seems consistent no matter the 
kernel.  I am able to back up without any problems, but I do have some 
problems when I restore files.  

Here's the problem.  If I start restoring at the beginning of the archive
(ie, tar xvf /dev/ftape), everything restores without any problems, but if
I start restoring at a diectory part way through the archive (say, tar xvf
/dev/ftape home/hayden), the tape will begin fast-forwarding looking for
the starting point, and then after a while spend about six hours searching
back and forth endlessly until I get tired of it and kill the process. 

/var/adm/messages has output that reports the following:

Jun 28 22:15:56 vorlon kernel: [065]        fdc-isr.c \
        (determine_progress) - Error at sector offset 13.
Jun 28 22:15:57 vorlon kernel: [066]     ecc.c (ecc_correct_data) - \
        number of corrections: 904.
Jun 28 22:15:57 vorlon kernel: [067]    ftape-read.c (correct_and_copy) - \
        crc error map: 0x00002000.
Jun 28 22:15:57 vorlon kernel: [068]    ftape-read.c (correct_and_copy) - \
        corrected map: 0x00002000.
Jun 28 22:15:57 vorlon kernel: [069]    ftape-read.c (correct_and_copy) - \
        ecc corrected segment: 42.
Jun 28 22:15:58 vorlon kernel: [070]        fdc-isr.c \
        (determine_progress) - Error at sector offset 30.
Jun 28 22:16:00 vorlon kernel: [071]    ftape-rw.c (ftape_smart_stop) - \
        tape stopped passing segment: 46.
Jun 28 22:16:05 vorlon kernel: [072]      fdc-isr.c (fdc_isr) - single \
        crc error in data.
Jun 28 22:16:05 vorlon kernel: [073]        fdc-isr.c \
        (determine_progress) - Error at sector offset 16.

The sequence of those errors continue over and over, with the location of 
the error being different.

The tape was formatted using the Colorado software that comes with it 
and, as I said, backs up no problem, just restores are bad.

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From: fyl@eskimo.com (Phil Hughes)
Subject: Re: Youngest linux user
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 15:24:33 GMT

I guess it depends on your definition of user.  Phaedra, the 6-year-old
daughter of the Linux Journal advertising manager regularly uses Linux.
But all she does with it is play mille.  She does her "serious computing"
under MS-DOG/Windoze.  Not that she likes it -- just thinks Corel Draw is
a really cool application.  She is learning to read by having to deal with
words in pull-down menus.

This thread reminds me that I need to get a post to c.o.l.a about needing
drawings of a Linux (whatever that is).  We want them for our December
cover.
--
Phil Hughes, Publisher, Linux Journal (206) 524-8338
usually phil@fylz.com, sometimes fyl@eskimo.com

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From: bgribble@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu (Bill Gribble)
Subject: Location of badblocks program?
Date: 28 Jun 1994 20:08:22 GMT

I've looked all over sunsite and tsx-11, used archie, etc. and still can't
find this program.  Any pointers?  I'm having bit-death problems on my 
hard drive and I was told that this code might help me diagnose any hardware
problems.

Thanks for any hints --
Bill Gribble


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: PCCARVE@crsgi1.erenj.com (Paul Carver)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 17:04:59 GMT

In article <1994Jun29.230641.4713@Princeton.EDU> wgsohne@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Guido Sohne) writes:
>From: wgsohne@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Guido Sohne)
>Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
>Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 23:06:41 GMT


[Many Pages Deleted]

Guido, I haven't been following this thread closely enough to know what
inspired that tirade, but you said that IBM's prices are too high, and that 
you don't have or need or want IBM software.  It seems like your problem
if any, is solved.

BTW, you made it very clear that you use Linux.  Would you mind saying
what software you use besides the OS and how long you think it would
take for a person who has seen Linux to convert a DOS/WIN machine
into a productive Linux machine?  Oh, I don't have a network connection,
just a modem and only one phone line so I can't leave it connected all
the time.

Paul


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: hoeij@sci.kun.nl (Mark van Hoeij)
Subject: Re: Did Xconfig fry my monitor? (Posting for a friend)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 13:19:44 GMT

In <1994Jun29.150638.13236@cs.cornell.edu> sudeep@cs.cornell.edu (Sudeep Gupta) writes:

>I've come up with a few possible reasons for this and
>I'd appreciate it if someone could point out the most likely
>one (or rule any of these out)

>1. I set up my video mode in Xconfig incorrectly. I don't
>   know what the symptoms for this would be, but I thought
>   I'd know immediately. I've been running X for two weeks.

Compute your horizontal sync rate (if you can not do that then send me
your Xconfig so I can do it for you). Then look up the maximal
horizontal sync rate that your monitor can handle. If your sync rate
is too high you are frying your monitor.

>2. My hardware may have been defective.
>3. The recent heat wave in the North-East may have messed it
>   up.

Could be true, we hear every day on the news (because of the soccer 
competition) that it is very warm in the USA.

By the way, do more people have problems switching from graphics to text
mode? My monitor can not always handle that.

 Mark van Hoeij


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From: sws@tora.RoBIN.de (Steffen W. Schilke)
Subject: Re: When is the Next Infomagic CD set?
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 1994 20:43:28 GMT

Byron Faber (btf57346@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: Anybody know when the next infomagic cd set is going to be
: released?

The announcment from the dealer here said "... every two month ..."
I am waiting to get my hands on the next copy ;-)

--
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