Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #338
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Date:     Thu, 30 Jun 94 02:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #338, Volume #2                Thu, 30 Jun 94 02:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Andreas Helke)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (John Lellis)
  Re: Slackware 1.2.0 and Mitsumi CDROM (Heiko Schlittermann)
  Re: ftape and Conner Backup Basics (Matthias Wagner)
  Re: SLIP sessions HANGING (Stefan Wikstrom)
  Re: Watching a user on an tty? (Christian Henry)
  Re: ISDN cards ported to Linux (Thomas Keil)
  Re: <q> PhotoCD and LinuX (Gerry Snyder)
  <q> PhotoCD and LinuX (Tim Bass)
  Re: Word Perfect (Beng Teck Here...)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Tim Cutts)
  Re: Linux on the DEC Alpha (Rick Kelly)
  Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2) (Tim Cutts)
  Is there a standard for Linux initialization scripts? (Maxim Spivak)
  Re: Watching a user on an tty? (Nathan Stratton)
  Re: Diamond Speedstar 24 V5.0, XFree Xconfig file? (Bill Kress)

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From: andreas@orion.mgen.uni-heidelberg.de (Andreas Helke)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 29 Jun 1994 14:57:47 GMT

Erick I. Yamanaka (yamanaka@hurricane.seas.ucla.edu) wrote:
: In <2unehg$q3d@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> walk@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Walk) writes:

: >rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (R S Rodgers) writes:
: >>I agree, but the issue isn't massive bugs (e.g., IBM's 1522 SCSI drivers
: >>which do not work _at all_ in the latest release, even with name-brand
: >>Adaptec hardware) of that sort, but rather technical support issues that

: >I've heard this several times now and I'm wondering if I'm the
: >only person running the 1522 drivers with 2.11 sucessfully.

: >Maybe it's because I'm using a 1520 instead of a 1522 (same, but
: >w/o floppy controller).  Maybe it's because I'm running it as a
: >secondary controller w/o hard drives on it.  Maybe it's FUD.
: >I really don't know and I'd kind of like to know if I'm the only one...

: I have an Adaptec 1522 as well, and I'm running just fine on 2.11, even with
: the prior versions of 2.1 and 2.0.  I'm not getting any trap errors due to
: it...

: Is he sure it's the Adaptec?  Does it work with other HD's?

Bus master cards like the adaptec 1540 have a reputation of interfering
with other busmasters like soundcards in some systems. It is very
well posible that a adaptec works perfectly well in some systems
and unreliable in others. The adaptec 1520 uses PIO, it should be
immune to bus mastering problems, but there are many other potential
hardware incompatibilities waiting for you. If you read c't magazine 
for a few years, you sometimes wonder that the average PC works at all.

Andreas
--

Andreas Helke

Institut fuer molekulare Genetik, Universitaet Heidelberg
Im Neuenheimer Feld 230 
69122 Heidelberg

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From: lellis@dmccorp.com (John Lellis)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 29 Jun 1994 17:50:34 GMT

Colin Dunn (dunnc@ucsub.Colorado.EDU) wrote:

: I wish someone would write a good, small, fast, stable multitasking OS
: with broad-based device driver support. This kind of OS would destroy
: OS/2, Windows 3.1, Chicago, NT, etc.

He has.  It's called Linux.

--

John Lellis (lellis@dmccorp.com)

--
... Our continuing mission: To seek out knowledge of C, to explore
strange UNIX commands, and to boldly code where no one has man page 4.




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From: heiko@lotte.sax.de (Heiko Schlittermann)
Subject: Re: Slackware 1.2.0 and Mitsumi CDROM
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 06:40:56 GMT

In article <peterd.772482149@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com>,
Peter Desnoyers <peterd@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com> wrote:
>sysop@comet.sb.sub.de writes:
>
>>Hi,
>>i`ve got a problem, hope you can help me...
[...]
> make configure
> make dep
> make zImage
> mv /vmlinuz /vmlinuz.old
> mv zImage /vmlinuz
> /etc/lilo/install
>
>The first step will ask you lots of configuration questions - make
>sure you tell it 'yes' for ISO9660 support and the Mitsumi driver.

And at the very first verify the first part of

        /usr/src/linux/include/linux/mcd.h
        
for irq and io-port settings matching your drives/controllers
settings.
-- heiko

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From: wagner@rohan.informatik.uni-ulm.de (Matthias Wagner)
Subject: Re: ftape and Conner Backup Basics
Reply-To: wagner@rohan.informatik.uni-ulm.de
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 94 08:09:57 GMT

I have made exactly the same experience with CBB, cpbackup and ftape.


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From: ehsstwi@ceres22.ericsson.se (Stefan Wikstrom)
Subject: Re: SLIP sessions HANGING
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 08:41:13 GMT

wieckows@deca.cs.umn.edu (Zbigniew Wieckowski) writes:

>In article <2uanrp$6o9@sundog.tiac.net> bill@bhhome.ci.net (Bill Heiser) writes:
>>I am running [trying to run] essentially a full-time SLIP connection to
>>my Internet Service Provider (ISP) using a Microcom FAST 28.8 modem.  The
>>modem at the other end is a Microcom ES 28.8.  I have recently started having
>>troubles with the SLIP session HANGING.  The carrier doesn't drop, but
>>individual sessions using the SLIP session hang.  Most susceptible seems
>>to be INBOUND TELNET.  I'll be in the middle of typing something or receiving
>>a screen of text, and it will just stop, "never" to continue. 

>I have also thought that it hangs "never" to continue. However I have noticed
>that if I leave it alone for c.a. 10 minutes then the connection comes back.
>I am running 0.99.14p #35 kernel.

Interesting. Then it must be some kind of flow control mismatch, one
side tells it can not receive anymore and the other side never
receives a start to transmit request. After 10 minutes or so it times
out, and everything will work again. I can't wait to have my SLIP
session hanging again so I can see if this is really true.

If so where is this 10 minutes timeout defined? If would be nice to 
reduce it to say 30 seconds.

/Stefan

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From: henryc@reality.UUCP (Christian Henry)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Watching a user on an tty?
Date: 27 Jun 1994 21:17:12 -0400
Reply-To: henryc@io.org

In article <SDAWSON.94Jun27140240@compsun3.engin.umich.edu>,
Scott Dawson <sdawson@engin.umich.edu> wrote:

>   >And finding out passwords, eh?  I don't mean just login, but PGP, for
>   >instance.  I sure wouldn't appreciate my SysAdmin doing that to me.
>
>   First of all, passwords through ``login'' and ``passwd'' aren't echoed by
>   the respective programs; when's the last time _you_ saw your password being
>   echoed when you logged on?  Also, there's _no_ reason why PGP can't be told
>   to not echo passwords (assuming that it currently does); in fact, it
>   _should_ be told to not show passwords.
>
>   So where's the problem?
>
>uh, if you can read/snoop the tty, you can watch what's typed whether it
>gets echoed or not.  I believe that's the problem.

In many cases, the primary administrator for a system has root access.  Since
root doesn't need to know another user's password to ``su'' to that user's
account (or even to change the user's password to one that the administrator
can use to fully log into the user's account), it doesn't really matter if
the administrator can see what the user types for his/her password when
logging in or changing his/her password.

However, _now_ I can see how tty ``snooping'' could cause a problem with
PGP...  :-)

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From: kat@aida.inflab.tuwien.ac.at (Thomas Keil)
Subject: Re: ISDN cards ported to Linux
Date: 17 Jun 1994 13:57:19 GMT

Marc Schaefer (schaefer@disuns2.epfl.ch) wrote:
: Were ISDN cards driver ported to Linux ?
: 
: 
: --
: +------------------_+-----------------------------------------------+
: | Marc SCHAEFER _ //| schaefer@di.epfl.ch -or- schaefer@alphanet.ch |
: | Battieux 6c   \X/ | MUD:mud.imp.ch@2345 FTP:litamiga.epfl.ch:/pub |
: | 2013 COLOMBIER  CH| ALPHANET NF, Colombier (NE) - SWITZERLAND (CH)|
: +-------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
: 
For more about this look at de german isdn newsgroups de.*.isdn.*


Thomas Keil
kat@inflab.tuwien.ac.at

Technische Universitaet Wien
Vienna, Austria, Europe

PS.: #include <std_disclaimer>


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From: Gerald.C.Snyder@jpl.nasa.gov (Gerry Snyder)
Subject: Re: <q> PhotoCD and LinuX
Date: 29 Jun 1994 15:45:11 GMT

In article <2upelt$9qn@RMAIL.urz.tu-dresden.de>, petrick@rcs1.urz.tu-dresden.de (Steffen Petrick) says:
>
>In article <2ul0of$g7g@sun.cais.com>, bass@cais.cais.com (Tim Bass) writes:
>|>      Please let me know how to do it
>
>mount -tiso9660 /dev/sr0 /mnt
>
>Use Hadmut Danisch's hpcdtoppm to convert the images *.pcd to *.ppm 

I have hpcdtoppm, and it works fine with those images it can see.
However, it does not seem to be able to get to images put onto a
PhotoCD in a second session. I guess that the problem is with the
iso9660 filesystem, since xfm can't see the second session either.

The problem is not with the drive or controller, since Photostyler
running under lowly windoze can see all the images. 

Is there some trick that I am missing, or is a new filesystem needed?
I suspect that it is the latter, and that the matter is not awfully high on
anyone's priority list (not even mine, since I have only one  two-
session disc, but I _am_ curious).

Gerry Snyder       Gerald.C.Snyder@jpl.nasa.gov

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From: bass@cais.cais.com (Tim Bass)
Subject: <q> PhotoCD and LinuX
Date: 26 Jun 1994 22:50:55 GMT

if [ -ok MOUNT A PhotoCD under LINUX ]
then
        Please let me know how to do it
        YES=1
fi

if [ YES ]
then
        How to read the mounted disk?
fi

trap 1 2 3 on FLAMEROASTEDREADERS



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From: 31khoo@wmich.edu (Beng Teck Here...)
Subject: Re: Word Perfect
Date: 29 Jun 94 21:03:14 EDT

In article <2usta9$ct@kaiwan.kaiwan.com>, tweaver@kaiwan.com (Timothy S. Weaver) writes:
> Just goes to show why developers who began on a DOS or Windows platform 
> should never be allowed to write on other systems. Think we could get a 
> law passed? The Video Game & Bloated Code Restriction Act of 1994.
> 

Hmm, I don't quite think that is a very fair statement. Bloated code need not
neccessarily come from windows/dos programmers... Lousy programmers in general
will produce shoddy code...

Still, i have to add that having spent 80% of my computing time still on DOS
and having been brought up in a DOS world, i tend to get protective of the
crummy, lousy, inefficient, 8 char filename OS that if i remember correctly,
taught me a lot about computers in general. In fact 1 year ago, i had never
heard of UNIX or VMS for that matter. Today, i am comfortable in batch
programming, shell scripts or DCL. I am not sure about others but as lousy DOS
and windows is, i owe quite a lot of my computer interest and abilities today to
DOS and (believe it or not) GW-BASIC 3.2. there are better things, but i am
sure that UNIX, LINUX, MINIX, DR DOS, DOS, WINDOWS, OS/2 or even SYSTEM 7 does
not yet have the RIGHT to claim itself THE one and only best OS yet. But in my
books, DOS is still the one that got me started... :)

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From: tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 29 Jun 1994 16:09:30 GMT

eduard@qdeck.com (Eduard Marghidan) writes:

>     Tim Cutts wrote in article <2up2dm$orm@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> :
>>
>>cmiller@golden.ncw.net (Craig A. Miller) writes:
>>
>>
>>>Anyway... Give Unix (Linux) a whirl.  It is really quite intuitive once you learn what 
>>>the commands mean.
>>
>>Oh God, you crack me up.  Go look 'intuitive' up in a dictionary.  The whole 
>>point about something being intuitive is that you *don't* have to learn what
>>everything means before you use it.  Sheesh.
>>
>>Tim. 
>>

>Like it's so hard to find out! Just try
>command_name --?
>or 
>man command_name

>Comparatively, looking up some obscure feature in a 400-page manual is non-intuitive by
>far. Different strokes for different folks.

I agree, although your average Windows or Mac program can be used at a
basic level without once consulting the manual.  The same can hardly
be said for most Unix programs.

Newbie users cannot be expected to know that --? is the standard
switch for help and that the Unix documentation command is man (both
are impossible to guess... you have to be told).  Unix'
non-intuitiveness is a real pain, and you won't convince me otherwise.
I work at Cambridge University Computing Service Help Desk once a
week, and I am always getting calls from people who haven't even heard
of the command 'man'.  Almost all the calls I get are from either Unix
or WordPerfect users.  Why?  Because neither is intuitive.  Until
you've actually tried manning a support service for several thousand
customers using PCs, Macintoshes, MVS, Unix and a whole plethora of
applications you cannot appreciate what a difference intuitive ease of
use makes.  You can say 'users should think' all you like, but the
fact of the matter is that most of them don't, and that for the
business community, time spent learning a system rather than time
spent doing work is time (and money) wasted.  We all know this is a
crap long-term strategy, but it's the way a lot of businesses work,
and is also the attitude of most computer-illiterates... they want to
get on with the task at hand rather than learn about the wiles of the
computer first.

Tim.

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From: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Subject: Re: Linux on the DEC Alpha
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 21:34:23 GMT

Brandon S. Allbery (bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org) wrote:
: In article <CrvF0t.12x@ns1.nodak.edu>, evers@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwight M Evers) says:
: +---------------
: | NOTICE, this is an ALPHA "PC", not a AXP!!! Hopefully device drivers for 
: +------------->8

: !!!CHOKE!!!  You mean the machine that DEC was only going to support NT on?!

You can get an Alpha PC with OSF/1, but you have to buy it through a
different channel than DEC Direct.

DEC also has a port of OSF/1 running on the 486, but they don't distribute
it.


-- 

Rick Kelly  rmk@rmkhome.com  rmk@bedford.progress.com

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From: tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2)
Date: 29 Jun 1994 16:22:32 GMT

jimr@shorty.cs.wisc.edu (Jim Robinson) writes:

>In article <1994Jun27.100221.4455@uk.ac.swan.pyr> iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>>>So for most people still, it's nothing but the floppy shuffle.  How
>>>many diskettes does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a
>>>Linux installation for "Most people"?
>>
>>1 and a CD-ROM. A decent system with about 5 compilers, X windows, openlook,
>>games and the full unix tool set in binaries is about 25 disks.
>>
>>>I can install it from one diskette on a non-networked drive.  One
>>>diskette and one CD-ROM...
>>Snap.

>Yeah, people don't seem to realize that OS/2 on floppy (2.0) was some
>30 disks and that was just the OS and some dinky toy-apps.  Linux OS
>itself needs 1 disk, but all those neat programs take up space, they
>can't just appear magically on your drive.

Be fair.  You can get OS/2 on one disk too.  You are comparing the full
distribution of OS/2 with a Linux boot/root disk!  The comparison you should
have done is OS/2 with Linux base + perl (~REXX) + X + sc + emacs + OpenLook
etc etc.  Then you're talking about 20 disks.  Still less than OS/2, I agree,
but you weren't being entirely fair.

Tim.

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From: maxims@ucsee.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Maxim Spivak)
Subject: Is there a standard for Linux initialization scripts?
Date: 29 Jun 1994 16:23:30 GMT

Hello!

The other day I ftp'd and read the FSSTND (file system standard) and it 
was absolutely amazing. Now it makes sense why files are where they are 
(or where they should be  ;-)  ).

Now I'm wondering if there's any kind of standard for the scripts that 
start up Linux. I know that the init program usually reads the 'inittab'. 
However, the 'inittab' in Slackware points to a bunch of shell script files 
in /etc/rc.d depending on runlevel of init(?), but the Yggdrasil 
'inittab' is very sparse. 

Slackware doesn't use 'rc,' but Yggdrasil does. Slackware has a bunch of 
files in /etc/rc.d with names 'rc.M' and 'rc.S' (I assume this is related 
to the different runlevels--multi vs single), but Yggdrasil doesn't seem 
to have many files there. However Yggdrasil uses an /etc/rc.net. 

Anyway, is there a standard. Should there be?

Just curious...
Max


-- 
**************************************************************************
Maxim Spivak                            |  #include <GoBears.h>
University of California, Berkeley      |  #include <StdDisclaimer.h>
maxims@ucsee.eecs.berkeley.edu          |  #include ".signature"

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
From: nstn@netcom.com (Nathan Stratton)
Subject: Re: Watching a user on an tty?
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 19:42:50 GMT

In article <2un3vk$c6k@condor.ic.net> a540ami@pic.ucla.edu (Ami Fischman) writes:
>My advice:
>get GNU screen -- it let's a attach a session that's already attached on
>another pty, so you can effectively have two terminals connected to the same
>process. 
>--
>                                       --Ami
>                                         Have YOU hugged YOUR smurf today?
>If a group of _N persons implements a COBOL compiler, there will be _N-1
>passes.  Someone in the group has to be the manager.
>               -- T. Cheatham


Will the user that you connect to see the interrupt?

-- 

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  | Nathan Stratton              Washington and Lee High School Junior      | 
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  | Internet:   nstn@netcom.com              Phone:   (703)534-9755         |
  |             stratton@cap.gwu.edu         Beeper:  (703)513-6117         |
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From: kress@kentrox.com (Bill Kress)
Subject: Re: Diamond Speedstar 24 V5.0, XFree Xconfig file?
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 01:53:06 GMT

I found out that if you set two clocks (correctly) on the card,

On my system, in my local.rc file:

freq 75000 2  (sets crystal 2 and messes up monitor)
freq 25200 0  (Fixes monitor, but crystal 2 is still set)

Once this is done, you can comment out the clocks line and everything
should work fine.  I have my system boot straight into Xwindows
(run level 6 at startup) in high res mode and it works just fine.



In article <2un8tq$kq2@nntp.hut.fi> fkarlemo@gamma.hut.fi (Filip R W Karlemo) 
writes:>From: fkarlemo@gamma.hut.fi (Filip R W Karlemo)
>Subject: Diamond Speedstar 24 V5.0, XFree Xconfig file?
>Date: 27 Jun 1994 19:22:34 GMT


>I did'nt find a solution for this one, is there anyone who has?
>SpeedStar 24 V5.0, 1024 b. (monitor, see end of article).
>The best would be to get 1024x768 with 72 Hz.

>I got the following solution working for some time, and every now
>and then (odd days???) it don't work, strange. 

>this is picked from a sample file (Xconfig.4):
>---------------------------------------
>From: dlj0@Lehigh.EDU (David L. Johnson)

>Here you are.  As said before; I have a Diamond Speedstar+ vers 5.0, 1
>meg ram
>on the card, and an AOC 14'' NI monitor.  I run 1024x768 w/ 256 colors.

>I set the third clock with ``freq'', using the frequencies indicated.  x
>is aliased to call freq before xinit, and ``nox'' calls up a reasonable
>text mode
>after leaving X.

>alias x='freq 66997 2 ; xinit'
>alias nox='freq 41999 2'

>vga256
>  Virtual 1024 768
>  ViewPort      0 0
>  Modes           "1024x768"
>  Clocks 25 27 60 65 25 27 60 65

>ModeDB

> "1024x768"  60    1024 1048 1248 1328  768  776  786  806
>-------------------------------------------


>My computer:

>     486/33/16Mb RAM / ISA-bus
>     SpeedSTAR 24 (bios vers. v5.0 (04/11/92)), memory: 1024, translation ROM
>present
>     17" moitor Salora Multigraph 447B
>          Video bandwidth     110 MHz
>          Synchronization     Separate TTL, pos/neg
>                         Composite TTL, pos/neg
>                         Composiet, on green, 0,3. Vpp neg
>          Scanning freq. H: 30 to 64 kHz
>                         V: 48 to 100 Hz
>          Some pixel formats: 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x1024
>          fully VGA and IBM 8514/A compatible

>thanks,


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