Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #336
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Date:     Wed, 29 Jun 94 16:13:12 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #336, Volume #2                Wed, 29 Jun 94 16:13:12 EDT

Contents:
  [help us still] Re: SCSI problems -- FIFO has extra bits (Carlos Y. Villalpando)
  UFS floppy mount (Randi Singh@)
  HELP: need Unterminal driver
  Re: VP/ix for Linux? (Wayne Schlitt)
  Re: [Q] Programing-HOWTO & Guide ??? (Dean Domikulic)
  Re: Linux Sony CDU33A support (Paul Quinn)
  Re: XDM from inittab (Tim Cutts)
  Western Digital 540MB PCI hard disk (Sangwoo Lee)
  Changing mode with clgd5420? (Jamie Howell)
  linux on vs-2000 (F.L.M. Bosman)
  Re: Youngest linux user (Liam Greenwood)
  Re: X resources (was Re: Why cannot xterm use -bg option in .xinitrc ?) (John Henders)
  XFree86 support of 64 bit video chipsets (John Francis Lynn)
  Re: [term] Boo-hoo! (Thomas Boutell)
  Re: Does PPP on Linux Route TCP/IP? (Robert Sanders)
  Adaptec 2742T an Linux ? (Bert Hartmann)
  Re: CQ de sm0fcj + k (Ray Rocker)
  Re: Future of Debian Linux (Patrick J. Volkerding)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Leo L Turetsky)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Leo L Turetsky)

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From: unbelver@brain.jpl.nasa.gov (Carlos Y. Villalpando)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: [help us still] Re: SCSI problems -- FIFO has extra bits
Date: 28 Jun 1994 18:06:33 GMT

In article <1994Jun28.153158.5254@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> bendi@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (David Bendrihem) writes:
>Howdy.
>
>       I've been tyring to install Linux on my 486-66 at home but I keep
>coming up with the same problem.  I have a QAccess VLB Card that has the
>SCSI adpater, the floppy controller, the serial and parrallel ports and
>a game port on it.  
>       Linux keeps saying that there are extra bytes in the FIFO.  That and
>when it reaches the login prompt, the name of the machine ends up as
>'(none) ' and loging in as root only leads back to the login prompt again.


Hey ho!

I'm Dave's roommate and have been trying to get linux on his machine.
(We both want linux on his machine--we've got the nice CHEAP! 3Com 3C509
benchmarking specials!!!)

Anyway, more info on our attempts to install linux on his VLB aha1522
QAccess card.  According to the SCSI howto, a VLB 1522 should not be
supported because of timing problems, yet Dave keeps getting mail back
from people saying it works.  So we keep trying.

I compiled a 1.0.9 kernel install boot disk for his system with 1522
only scsi support.  Install goes nice and smoothly and a lot faster
than the default boot disks.  But on booting up after the install,
(still with my kernel) as soon as it tries to mount the root
partition, all hell breaks loose.  It may either crash right away, or
do what Dave described above.  No luck there.

I've even grabbed the 1.1.22 sources and compiled that because I
noticed the 1522 driver had some changes in it.    Still no luck at
all.  Exact same behavior.

Any help will be apreciated!!!

--Carlos V.
-- 
Carlos Y. Villalpando           | Don't even think I speak for the Gov't
unbelver@brain.jpl.nasa.gov     | I also didn't screw up the Mars Observer
unbelver@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu     | (There was that button I sat on......)
unbelver@npc.ece.utexas.edu     |

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From: Randi Singh@
Subject: UFS floppy mount
Date: 29 Jun 1994 14:37:25 GMT
Reply-To: randips@vnet.ibm.com

Hi
   I have a floppy formatted for UFS on Solaris 1.1 with data on it.
   I want to use the same data and mount it under Linux OS. How do
   I mount htis floppy. Thanks. Randi




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From: kaf@worker.nevod.perm.su ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: HELP: need Unterminal driver
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 18:19:13 -0330
Reply-To: kaf@worker.nevod.perm.su

Hello

Has anybody use UNterminal Multiconsole card
(Advance MicroResearch Inc) Under Linux

Thanks
                Alexey


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From: wayne@backbone.uucp (Wayne Schlitt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: VP/ix for Linux?
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 05:28:43 GMT
Reply-To: wayne@cse.unl.edu

JBM> Since I have never used anything other than DOSEMU :-(, what are these 
JBM> features that DOSEMU should put on it's wanted list?


Dos Merge allows you to run dos programs under X, and you can then
zoom full screen if you want to.  It is neat having a couple of DOS
windows floating around...  Yeah, I know that xdos is out there, but I
think you can only run one copy at a time.



-wayne

-- 
Our reasoning goes something like this:  "If I want it, I need it.  If
I need it, it's my right.  If it's my right, someone should give it to
me.  Or else I'll sue."     -- Newsweek June 27, 1994

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From: domikuli@cromath.math.hr (Dean Domikulic)
Subject: Re: [Q] Programing-HOWTO & Guide ???
Date: 29 Jun 1994 13:15:10 GMT

Bernard James Leach (leachbj@latcs1.lat.oz.au) wrote:

: This would be a fine idea.  I think I would be able to contribute
: to this kind of a document.  But where to start!

: bernard.

: -- 
: Bernard Leach - LaTrobe Uni Melb Australia
: cscbl@lux.latrobe.edu.au

Well, I think that first step would be to make announce on announce newsgroup
and mailing list and call a wide auditorium to contribute with all kinds of
informations about development tools, SDK-s, programing languages ...
Small descriptions would be helpfull as well.

Dean.
domikuli@math.hr


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From: p_quinn@ECE.Concordia.CA (Paul Quinn)
Subject: Re: Linux Sony CDU33A support
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 13:17:15 GMT

In article <H.M.Pronk.294.01238EFF@fac.fbk.eur.nl> H.M.Pronk@fac.fbk.eur.nl (Hans Michael Pronk) writes:
>Hi, I am trying to install Linux using the CD-ROM path, but the boot-images i 
>happen to have /do not support/will not work with/  the Sony CDU33A CD-ROM 
>player. Is there support for this device and if how/where to get it. 
>
>Thanks a lot in advance.
>
>
>HMP
>
>
>BTW: the CD-rom player works ok with "dos" and even using "windows" 
>
>
>HMP


There is support for the CDU-33A using the CDU-31A drivers.  Try that and 
you should have no problems.


--
________
Paul Quinn
p_quinn@ece.concordia.ca
Computer Science: Systems Architecture
Concordia University
Montreal, QC, CANADA
========

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From: tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: XDM from inittab
Date: 29 Jun 1994 13:36:57 GMT

smk@fore.com (Steven M. Kilby) writes:

>Hello all,
>    Sorry about the cross-posting, but I have not had much luck in getting a
>response lately.  Anyway, it has been suggested that XDM could be started
>from inittab with one of the following lines:


>xw:345:respawn:/usr/lib/X11/xdm -nodaemon

>or

>c7:345:wait:/usr/lib/X11/xdm

>I am interested to see if anyone will agree as to which if either is correct.  
>Also, what are the differences?  For instance, what will result from a respawn 
>vs. a wait?  Or, nodaemon vs. daemon????  Any help would be greatly 
>appreciated.  Please respond to smk@fore.com.

Neither!  All the Linux distributions I have seen have an /etc/inittab
which runs xdm when the runlevel is set to 6, so that's all you should
need to change, right up at the top of the file.  It certainly worked
for me running debian.  I also gave xdm '-error /dev/console' so that
xconsole would show errors correctly.

Tim.

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From: sangwoo@coos.dartmouth.edu (Sangwoo Lee)
Subject: Western Digital 540MB PCI hard disk
Date: 29 Jun 1994 14:46:05 GMT

Hello all.  I'm new to Linux, and I just got a Western Digital
540 meg IDE hard disk on my Gateway system.  Yes, it's the one
with 2048 cyl, 16 heads, 63 sectors.  While I understand that
people have successfully installed it, I can't get the thing
to work right.  I know I'm supposed to recompile the kernel but
I can't even get to the prompt a second time after using slackware
boot disk.

Any help in this matter will be great.  Thanks.
-Jong

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From: jamie@kryten.it.com.au (Jamie Howell)
Subject: Changing mode with clgd5420?
Date: 28 Jun 1994 20:04:06 +0800

At the moment if I set lilo to video=ask or whatever all I get
is 80x50 and 80x28 (maybe 80x25)...

Anyway... the CirrusLogic card with a clgd5420 chip is supposed
to do something like 132x48... I heard something about hacking
the setup.S file and compiling the kernel again... but didn't 
really understand. Does anyone have any help they could give me
to get into a 132x48 or 132x60 or something mode as the cards
manual says it will?


--
 //////////////////////////
 /      Jamie Howell      /
 / jamie@kryten.it.com.au /
 //////////////////////////

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From: fbosman@knoware.nl (F.L.M. Bosman)
Subject: linux on vs-2000
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 13:35:32 GMT

I can get holf od an old vax-station 2000 wih VMS runnig on it. I would like
to have Linux on it. Does anyone know of such a programm?

Thanks,

greetings




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From: liam@durie.wanganui.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood)
Subject: Re: Youngest linux user
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 11:28:08 GMT

Peter Berger (pit@p2.lxs.baboon.ch) wrote:
> In the german fidonet echo LINUX.GER there's been a poster having 8 or 9
> (sorry, I forgot, but it's been less than 10) years old...

My six year-old daughter uses Linux & Pine to e-mail with a friend
(the friend is 7 or 8) who recently moved to Australia.

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux.help
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.com (John Henders)
Subject: Re: X resources (was Re: Why cannot xterm use -bg option in .xinitrc ?)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 05:41:03 GMT

stuckey@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Anthony J. Stuckey) writes:

>       Notice that *I* wasn't solely concerned with Xterm -- my query,
>different from the original one, is how to do this for any random X program.
>Xarchie, XWordPerfect, XGlobalNuclearDeathSimulation, etc.

[deleted]

>       Knowing the form of the name doesn't tell you the name.  There are
>exactly three resources listed on that man page.  I quote:

        Yet another nice thing about the fvwm window manager is that one
of the loadable modules tells you what the resource name is for any app
you click on. This helps when you can't figure out whether the app is
looking for XFoo or xfoo or Xfoo.

-- 
                  John Henders - Wimsey Information Services
               http://www.wimsey.com/ (teletimes, gnn and more)
                  GAT/MU/AE d- -p+(--) c++++ l++ u++ t- m--- 
                       e* s-/+ n-(?) h++ f+ g+ w+++ y*

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From: jlynn@convection.engin.umich.edu (John Francis Lynn)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video
Subject: XFree86 support of 64 bit video chipsets
Date: 29 Jun 1994 17:40:49 GMT

Does XFree86 2.x support any 64 bit video chipsets in accelerated
mode? I didn't see any mention of 64 bit chipsets in the hardware
section of the Xfree86 howto, but this faq seemed out of date.

If not, any idea when we'll see such support? Most of the new
64 bit PCI systems are also shipping with 64 bit video chipsets. 

Thanks in advance to all who reply,

John Lynn

Ann Arbor, MI


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From: boutell@netcom.com (Thomas Boutell)
Subject: Re: [term] Boo-hoo!
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 16:18:39 GMT

In article <2ur4ds$1tn@crl.crl.com>, Bill Hogan <bhogan@crl.com> wrote:
>  Drat it!
>
>  I was on my way here to solicit interesting suggestions about fun things
>I could do now that I had 'term' installed on both my box at home and on
>my internet-access provider's machine, but I happened to check my mail
>first and I found a letter from my internet-access provider, informing me
>that I was not allowed to use 'term' on their computer. 
>
>  Now I am wondering about possible alternatives.
>
>  Specifically, I am wondering if anyone is (yet) offering a completely
>Linux-based internet-access service that would, subject to appropriate
>limits, allow me to do thinks like use Gnu 'term'. 

If you're willing to go get another account to do this, why don't
you get a real SLIP account?

I tend to suspect service providers will begin to forbid term at an
increasing rate. (Unfortunately for us, although I don't blame them--
they want to bill SLIP users at SLIP rates.)

-T
-- 
  boutell@netcom.com, purveyor of fine HTML pages to the biology trade.
     FAQ-keeper for comp.infosystems.www.misc,.providers and .users. 
                    Drop by and learn about the Web.
<a href="http://siva.cshl.org/boutell.html"><em>Thomas Boutell</em></A>

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From: rsanders@mindspring.com (Robert Sanders)
Subject: Re: Does PPP on Linux Route TCP/IP?
Date: 29 Jun 1994 13:54:38 GMT

In article <2uqaoi$3hc@stevie.kopp.muc.de> root@stevie.isar.muc.de (Eckard Kopatzki) writes:

   Unless your answer is correct in each detail it invokes hopes for hundreds of
   SLIP/PPP users that will not be fullfilled. I've seen lots of posts like "Why
   is my local net unable to reach the outside world via my SLIP/PPP-connected
   box?" Of course it is possible to use a Linux box as a gateway using SLIP/PPP

   BUT THIS ONLY WORKS IF YOUR DOMAIN IS REGISTERED TO THE INTERNET!

This is slightly confusing terminology.  Your domain [name] need not
exist at all, except for the purpose of DNS lookups.  What's important
is that you have a unique and valid IP address.

   You have to buy the permission for a Class-C-network from a provider. Getting
   one Internet address for your gateway will not allow you to connect your local
   network to the Internet!

You don't need your very own class C network just for a handful of
machines.  I've seen a lot of people do this and it's just plain
wasteful.  Linux is perfectly capable of routing to and from a subnet.
For example, my provider (also my employer) uses the class B net
168.121.  My small ethernet at home uses a 3-bit subnet of my
provider's class B, which allows me to connect up to 6 machines
(including the one with the PPP link).  The hard part is getting your
provider to loan you part of his address space.

Linux does a good job as a router.  We're all pleased.  The only
drawback is that now I can never reboot into DOS and play DOOM :-)

  -- Robert

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From: hartmabt@track.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Bert Hartmann)
Subject: Adaptec 2742T an Linux ?
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 07:14:54 GMT

Hi,

Linux and Adaptec 2742T (Eisa, SCSI) controller ?
Is it possible?

Thanks
        Bert

-- 
 ============================================================================

 Bert Hartmann

 email     hartmabt@tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de

 ============================================================================

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From: rocker@rock.b11.ingr.com (Ray Rocker)
Subject: Re: CQ de sm0fcj + k
Date: 29 Jun 1994 19:04:48 GMT

>In article <1141@blox.se> bj0rn@blox.se (Bjorn Ekwall) writes:
>>Are my eyes just extra sensitive to ham callsigns, or does Linux
>>have a special attraction for people such as us?

Could be because ham radio toys cost so damn much we have little left over
for things like operating systems. 

And news travels fast in the ham radio community, kinda like the Internet
community, so the word about Linux is out.

And of course we hams know a quality product when we see one :)

Now if they'll just port CT or NA to Linux for us contesters...

73

-- ray WQ5L rrrocker@ingr.com

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From: gonzo@magnet.mednet.net (Patrick J. Volkerding)
Subject: Re: Future of Debian Linux
Date: 28 Jun 1994 18:27:50 GMT

In article <42362e103b76@sirius.herts.ac.uk>, Veal <cs4ev@herts.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>With the popularity of Slackware do people think that effort spent on
>developing debian is rather wasted ?
>
>N.B. This is not a flame against the Debian developers, I appreciate 
>     the work they have done. 
>

I don't think so. We're all in this together, and a *lot* of quality work 
has come out of the Debian project that has benifited all Linux users, 
not just the people using Debian. Most of the work on the File System 
Standard (FSSTND) has come from that direction, for one thing.

I don't think any effort put into improving Linux is wasted. If it's 
good, it'll be passed along. That's part of why I'm not sure I'd support 
the idea of the One True Distribution. (except my own, of course ;^) More 
distributions == more new ideas getting tested == better free software.

---
Patrick Volkerding
volkerdi@ftp.cdrom.com
gonzo@magnet.mednet.net




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From: Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 15:08:31 -0400

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 29-Jun-94 Re: Linux better
than OS/2 .. by David Charlap@visix.com 
> William Guido Sohne <wgsohne@tucson.Princeton.EDU> wrote:
> >
> >Well, price is always something people consider when choosing a software
> >package. When someone finds excellent software at the lowest of prices -
> >$0.00, wouldn't he/she find that amazing and pleasing?
>  
> I don't think anyone's knocking free software, but it isn't the OSs
> fault if third parties haven't gotten around to making all the
> freeware you'd like for it.  Stop blaming IBM for not giving away the
> store.  MS isn't releasing any free software - they've just had a few
> years head start for third parties to release freeware.

Uummm, I think he meant the OS. Linux is free, it's customer support is
superior, everything you need for it is free, you can rewrite parts of
the code you don't like,..... I can keep going. No one is blaming IBM
for not giving away OS/2, personally, I blame IBM for releasing flawed
software that doesn't live up to the expectations it set for itself.
  
> >Yes. Or is a Dell computer not 'compatible' enough ? OS/2 was
> >obviously the problem here.
>  
> Care to be a bit more specific?  Here, at Visix, we have four
> different Dell 486 boxes, all with S3 video, all on the network, all
> running OS/2 2.1 and TCP/IP 2.0 with no problems.
>  
> Maybe you have an older box (I don't think Dell has OS/2 certification
> for all their older boxes), or maybe you have a configuration problem.

Well why doesn't Dell have support for the older machines? This is
OS/2's fault the way you explained it. Why won't OS/2 give theolder Dell
machines certification?

> >>If IBM's TCP/IP is so inferior, then why are so many people in this
newsgroup
> >>talking about how nice it is?  And as for free software... You get
what you pa
> y
> >
> >Maybe they don't know better ? Maybe because they have political reasons ?
> >Maybe the sky will fall on our heads ? The fact is that based on my usage 
> >of both systems I find IBM TCP/IP to be inferior to Linux TCP/IP.
>  
> Ah yes.  Accuse everyone who disagrees of having a political agenda.
> Has it ever occurred to you that some people really do run OS/2
> without problems?

Good dodge; you missed every point he brought up. He didn't say whether
OS/2 had problems or not, he said that Linux tcp is superior to OS/2
tcp, and I agree.
  
> >>Thats in your opinion. I paid $86 for OS/2 2.0. I later paid $88 for
OS/2 2.1.
>  
> >>Then I received OS/2 for Windows free from IBM. I have not had to
upgrade any
> >>hardware in my system in order to have OS/2 work like it does, so to
date, my
> >>total investment in OS/2 in well under $200.
> >
> >Well, if I could get prices like yours and free software from IBM too, I 
> >would still stay with Linux. It works faster and does more of what I want.
>  
> Everyone had those prices, and can still get them.  IBM always has
> promotional pricing during the first few months of a new product.
> OS/2 2.1 had a $30 rebate for OS/2 2.0 users - making the cost about
> $40-$50 for people purchasing the CD-ROM edition from discount stores.
> Even today, the full OS/2 2.1 package can be gotten for under $100,
> and OS/2 for Windows can be gotten for $50.

Simple equation:  Linux = $0.00 < OS/2 = $100.00.
  
> >That's the OS/2 anachronism. Buy a new improved OS to run apps that depend
> >on an old phucked OS. Run DOS under OS/2. Never will you be free of it.
> >If the software were free in the first place and with source, it would
> >have been native by now.
>  
> There's a non-sequitor if I ever heard one.  "who needs DOS
> compatibility when you can download sources and recompile all your
> freeware natively".  I hate to break it to you, but most people can't
> get by exclusively on free software.

Uummm, I do and have. Actually when I ran DOG/Windblows I had no
commercial packages except the OS and GUI. No I run Linux... understand?
Actually I think the only non-sequitor here was your's.

-Leo

+----------------------------------------------------------+
| Leo Turetsky          |  1) leo@professor.pc.cc.cmu.edu  |
| Sigma Nu              |  2) professor@cmu.edu            |
| 1055 Morewood Ave.    |  Carnegie-Mellon University      |
| Pittsburgh, PA 15213  |  Sophomore, ECE\CS Double Major  |
| (412) 862-2963        |  Nugget: SPIN BHBHY, YAXY?       |
+----------------------esp---------------------------------+


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From: Leo L Turetsky <professor+@CMU.EDU>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 15:10:43 -0400

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 29-Jun-94 Re: Linux better
than OS/2 .. by David Charlap@visix.com 
> >I wish someone would write a good, small, fast, stable multitasking OS
> >with broad-based device driver support. This kind of OS would destroy
> >OS/2, Windows 3.1, Chicago, NT, etc.
>  
> Dream on.  No company has the resources to throw in a full suite of
> features, add driver support for all known hardware, and get it to
> market before it becomes obsolete.  I'm afraid you're going to have to
> settle for two out of three.

Uummm, NeXTSTEP? I'll take three out of three, thanks.

-Leo

+----------------------------------------------------------+
| Leo Turetsky          |  1) leo@professor.pc.cc.cmu.edu  |
| Sigma Nu              |  2) professor@cmu.edu            |
| 1055 Morewood Ave.    |  Carnegie-Mellon University      |
| Pittsburgh, PA 15213  |  Sophomore, ECE\CS Double Major  |
| (412) 862-2963        |  Nugget: SPIN BHBHY, YAXY?       |
+----------------------esp---------------------------------+


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