Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #333
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Date:     Wed, 29 Jun 94 03:13:13 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #333, Volume #2                Wed, 29 Jun 94 03:13:13 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Jim Robinson)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Eduard Marghidan)
  Cobol650 in dosemu?  Other COBOLs? (Clark K. Gaylord)
  Re: DOOM For X? (Ethan Henry)
  XDM from inittab (Steven M. Kilby)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Jim Robinson)
  Re: Only 7000 Linux boxes, Re: Multiport Bored ... (Greg Shaw)
  Re: Linux.... On a Sparc? (Dwight M Evers)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu)
  Re: VP/ix for Linux? (David Wright)
  Re: Why cannot xterm use -bg option in .xinitrc ? (Vivek Khera)
  Linux on Compaq Concerto (jurrie)
  Re: Can Linux mount NeXT filesystem (Al Sparks)
  Tseng vs Actix for X-windows (misc125@csc.canterbury.ac.nz)
  OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2) (Jim Robinson)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Craig A. Miller)
  Re: Word Perfect (Craig A. Miller)
  Re: DOOM For X? (Pim Zandbergen)

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From: jimr@shorty.cs.wisc.edu (Jim Robinson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 28 Jun 1994 17:00:45 GMT

In article <2unbd4$an0@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (R S Rodgers) writes:

>>Lack of easy availability?? Try sunsite.unc.edu or tsx-11.mit.edu or....
>
>It's a pain to ftp & download an entire Linux distribution.  I just did it
>with Slackware this weekend and I wasn't a happy camper.  The least that 
>Linux sites could do is to include a copy of the distribution in a bunch
>of ready-made zip or tar files (preferably the former since most potential
>Linux users aren't currently using unix) to make the getting part of the 
>process easy. 
>
>Sunsite goes half-way -- you can ftp the disk directories tarred by getting
><directory>.tar.Z -- but this is a pain because it doesn't work with mget.

I don't understand the first reference to ready-made zip or tar files,
each package seems to be bundled in its own tar.gz file from what I
have seen of SLS, MCC, and Slackware.  I *know* this is how Debian
does it.

If you want to get the whole thing just make the directory structure
(takes about 1 minute in with cut and paste or using xargs or
something) and then do a mget */* and it will download all of them.
Only one of the directories of Slackware is deeper then one level, and
I assume you could keep adding */* to the mget, though I never tried.


Jim

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From: eduard@qdeck.com (Eduard Marghidan)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 21:15:00 GMT

     Tim Cutts wrote in article <2up2dm$orm@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> :
>
>cmiller@golden.ncw.net (Craig A. Miller) writes:
>
>
>>Anyway... Give Unix (Linux) a whirl.  It is really quite intuitive once you learn what 
>>the commands mean.
>
>Oh God, you crack me up.  Go look 'intuitive' up in a dictionary.  The whole 
>point about something being intuitive is that you *don't* have to learn what
>everything means before you use it.  Sheesh.
>
>Tim. 
>

Like it's so hard to find out! Just try
command_name --?
or 
man command_name

Comparatively, looking up some obscure feature in a 400-page manual is non-intuitive by
far. Different strokes for different folks.

Eduard
/* expressing my own views */

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From: Clark@gaylord.async.vt.edu (Clark K. Gaylord)
Subject: Cobol650 in dosemu?  Other COBOLs?
Date: 27 Jun 1994 21:31:07 GMT
Reply-To: CGaylord@vt.edu

First: COBOL is EVIL.

Ok, now that we have that out of the way ... DOS is EVIL too.

Problem is, my sister is using COBOL under DOS and wants big bro to
help her buy a new computer.  I figure she's gotta use the COBOL until
I can convince her to get a real job, but at least I can get her
using a real OS.  She's expressed some interest in OS/2 and Linux;
the former I can handle.  But I haven't used Linux (yet! I'm getting
there) so could one of you kind souls please help me out.

There is a free Cobol for DOS called cobol650 at oak.oaklnad.edu in
pub/msdos/misclang. The Cobol FAQ says "COBOL 6.50 might run under a
UNIX emulation of a DOS system, however.  (For example, ... dosemu for
Linux.)" If someone would check on this, I will report the verdict to
the Cobol FAQ maintainer.

I think she also has one of the proprietary Cobol's, either MicroFocus
or Liant RM-Cobol maybe; can anyone report successful use of either of
these (or any other)?

Please respond to me, as I doubt many Linux types are very interested
in Cobol.  (you have such good taste, after all :-)

Thanks.

--
Clark K. Gaylord
Blacksburg, Va
internet: CGaylord@vt.edu

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From: ehenry@Newbridge.COM (Ethan Henry)
Subject: Re: DOOM For X?
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 17:02:13 GMT

In article <1994Jun27.205645.258@dali.cti-software.nl>,
Pim Zandbergen <pim@dali.cti-software.nl> wrote:
>slouken@cs.ucdavis.edu (Sam Oscar Lantinga) writes:
>
>
>>      When is DOOM for X coming out?  Will it come out
>>with the advent of DOOM 1.4?
>
>There was some speculation of a Linux version of DOOM
>to be released "Real Soon Now", a couple of months ago.
>
>Everyone was very excited, people said they would buy 
>registered copies of the DOS version so they could
>use the WAD files for the Linux version and then there
>was nothing but silence.
>
>The latest news is that Id Software is cooperating
>with Microsoft to have a Windows version of DOOM
>ready for Chicago. Chicago supposedly has a special
>games API.
>
>Some speculation: perhaps part of the Id-Microsoft
>deal was *not* to release a Linux version ?

ummm... I doubt it, since I heard that the Linux port was
being done by a single Id employee in his own time
at home. It wasn't a priority, but if he did it, the 
impression I got was that Id's attitude is "well, ok,
whatever..."


Besides, I'm sure Id could do something to make WAD files
incompatiable between different platforms... heck,
they could ask Microsoft, who've been doing that with Word
for years ;)

Ethan

PS. don't forget, the rumor mill sez that DOOM is being ported
to the Jaguar, Windows, Linux/X and being upgraded
to a commericial DOS version now... without really hiring
anyone new. Which would be impossible - so much for rumours.


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
From: smk@fore.com (Steven M. Kilby)
Subject: XDM from inittab
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 17:57:52 GMT

Hello all,
    Sorry about the cross-posting, but I have not had much luck in getting a
response lately.  Anyway, it has been suggested that XDM could be started
from inittab with one of the following lines:


xw:345:respawn:/usr/lib/X11/xdm -nodaemon

or

c7:345:wait:/usr/lib/X11/xdm

I am interested to see if anyone will agree as to which if either is correct.  
Also, what are the differences?  For instance, what will result from a respawn 
vs. a wait?  Or, nodaemon vs. daemon????  Any help would be greatly 
appreciated.  Please respond to smk@fore.com.


                      Thank you,
                             Steven .....


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From: jimr@shorty.cs.wisc.edu (Jim Robinson)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 28 Jun 1994 17:23:10 GMT

In article <2up2dm$orm@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts) writes:
>
>Oh God, you crack me up.  Go look 'intuitive' up in a dictionary.  The whole 
>point about something being intuitive is that you *don't* have to learn what
>everything means before you use it.  Sheesh.

Perhaps the issue is more that one has to find the line between power
and ease of use.  UNIX command line assumes the user has a brain. OS/2
and DOS command line stink when it comes out of the box.  OS/2 has
MUCH better support for its graphical interface (drag and drop,
linking objects in the file manager, even its men us), though for pure
*looks* and basic functionality similar to the PM (icons or menus,
sound, multiple desks, save desktop, which program goes where when it
starts, auto starting programs etc..), Fvwm is right up there with the
bes (it just nseed a nice interface to editing .fvwmrc, anybody wanna
make a module for that?).

Have you all seen an example of something as powerfull as grep or as
useful as xargs in a GUI?  I haven't.  I don't know how you could go
about implementing it in any sort of fast manner either (so people
won't think "It takes to long to fill in the fields").

OS/2 seems to take the approach that all low functionality is bundeled
into one application (each word processor has its own spell checker,
print preview, functionality to send files to the spooler etc.) Where
UNIX in general gives much more to sharing commands and larger
programs (Emacs/Ispell/AUC-TeX/dvips/lpr/xdvi, cat/xargs/cut/paste,
apropos/man/tclman) Now how can we the have shared programs approach
in a GUI? I mean a real object that looks, acts, and feels like
something the GUI knows how to handle, not an Xterm and cmd-line from
it.  I heard people have approached this problem...  NeXTSTEP users?
Gee, we get some Windows users and NeXTSTEP users in here next, and we
can solve the problem of the Internet expanding.  We will all be dead
of heat stroke.


Jim



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From: shaw@manwe.fmsoft.com (Greg Shaw)
Subject: Re: Only 7000 Linux boxes, Re: Multiport Bored ...
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 01:09:20 GMT

Brandon S. Allbery (bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org) wrote:
: In article <2ufhj0$r99@galaxy.ucr.edu>, rhyde@cuda.ucr.EDU (randy hyde) says:
: +---------------
: | such companies are ready targets for leaner, meaner, more speculative 
: | companies willing to take a calculated risk and thus reap the rewards 
: | commensurate with such risks whilst the "business-as-usual" crowd will wake
: | up one day and wonder what happened to their market share.
: +------------->8

: No, they won't.  They do what Microsoft, etc. do:  wait for the speculator
: to create the market, then invade in force and drive the speculator out of
: business (or in IBM's case, often buy them out and thereby end up owning the
: market).

Which is why Microsoft is having to rip out disk compression from DOS,
correct?  These sorts of practices are predatory, and can backfire badly.

: ++Brandon
: -- 
: Brandon S. Allbery       kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
: Friends don't let friends load Windows NT.            Linux iBCS2 emulation

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
From: evers@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwight M Evers)
Subject: Re: Linux.... On a Sparc?
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 21:41:02 GMT

Alan Cox (iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr) wrote:
: In article <CrswHL.Cuw@news.tufts.edu> mabramso@Emerald.tufts.edu (bill bass) writes:
: >Leonard N. Zubkoff (lnz@dandelion.com) wrote:
: >: Loss of muscle??  My personal Pentium-90 system feels and measures faster than
: >: the SparcStation 10 Model 41 I have at the office.
(CHOMP)

Alan is right on the money here...

        These new high-power cpu's ( 100mHz-586's and high-speed risc 
processors) really show thier muscle in multiuser setups, but only if 
they have a decent amount of memmory ( usually 64meg or better). Usually 
a decent HD will do if all you have is 4-5 users ( I'm talking about a 
nice SCSI or SCSI 2), but for more agressive setups, 10 or more power 
user's, memory _and_ a Fast SCSI 2 are really needed. It will also depend 
on what the users are doing. WP/DTP doesn't eat up nearly as much cpu 
power as does 4 or 5 guys compiling 5000 lines of C++ code at once.
( I know because me and some other guys made an attempt to 'benchmark' 
our Solborne [UNIX] at school...held up preety good!)

============================================================================
                        |       "...peace is a thing which a person
Dwight M. Evers         |           must be willing to fight for..."
evers@plains.NoDak.edu  |
        NDSU            |                       -Abe Lincoln
============================================================================



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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 21:10:21 GMT

Hi,

I would have never thought that there would be flame wars between OS/2 and
Linux. They coexist very nicely here without any problems. Just like two
best friends! One thing for sure it's better reading than comparing dos/win
to either Linux or OS/2. On the sunsite www site there is an article that
compares NT, OS/2, and Linux. Interesting reading.

Later,

Helen
hkennedy@ncat.edu
 


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 21:15:59 GMT

In article <2unehg$q3d@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> walk@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Walk) writes:
>rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (R S Rodgers) writes:
>>I agree, but the issue isn't massive bugs (e.g., IBM's 1522 SCSI drivers
>>which do not work _at all_ in the latest release, even with name-brand
>>Adaptec hardware) of that sort, but rather technical support issues that
>
>I've heard this several times now and I'm wondering if I'm the
>only person running the 1522 drivers with 2.11 sucessfully.
>
>Maybe it's because I'm using a 1520 instead of a 1522 (same, but
>w/o floppy controller).  Maybe it's because I'm running it as a
>secondary controller w/o hard drives on it.  Maybe it's FUD.
>I really don't know and I'd kind of like to know if I'm the only one...
>
>--
>                                       Todd Walk
>                                       walk@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
>


Hi,

This is news. No go at all with 1522 and OS/2 2.11. Did you use the ftp
service pack or the cdrom service pack?

Helen


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: dmw@prism1.prism1.com (David Wright)
Subject: Re: VP/ix for Linux?
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 16:20:29 GMT

>>>>> "JBM" == James B MacLean <jmaclean@fox.nstn.ns.ca> writes:

  JBM> In article <DMW.94Jun27101434@prism1.prism1.com> dmw@prism1.prism1.com (David Wright) writes:
  >> 1) Ability to grab & release floppy disks "on the fly".

  JBM> Well, if you mean you can switch floppies as in real DOS, sure, it's been 
  JBM> there since Robert :-). 

        No, I mean the ability for one user running DOSEMU to use the floppy
drive for a while, then release it so that another user (running Unix or
DOSEMU, or whatever) can access it for a while. When the first user needs the
floppy disk for a while again, they can attampt to grab it from within the
emulator. If it is in use, they have to try again later.

  >> 2) Ability to grab & release serial ports "on the fly".

  JBM> Thanks to Markkk, we are that close to not stealing COM ports until they are 
  JBM> first used, in time this could be made so.
        What VP/IX does is to try and grab the ports when it starts up, so the
user knows if they will be able to get them or not. If they later don't need
them they can release them and then other people can access them again.

  JBM> Mutliple DOSEMU's certainly can be run, the only problem is their vast uses 
  JBM> of memory(resources)

        This would seem obvious! :-)


  >> 4) Pop-up window for managing all of the above.

  JBM> This would be a big PLUS to be added to DOSEMU, and aggreed this would be a 
  JBM> bonous feature to have for all those things that the emulator is taken down 
  JBM> for, or just to adjust stats o nthe fly :-) It has been discussed for the 
  JBM> upcoming client/server version.

        Under VP/IX you do something like ctrl-alt-SysReq and it pops up a
window with the various options above, along with an easy "exit" choice,
flush printer output, etc.

  >> 5) Ability to use DOS device drivers for custom hardware directly.

  JBM> Good one. Not yet. Some day though :-) One big obstacle at this point for 
  JBM> many drivers is DMA access.

        How VP/IX handles this is that you have to tell it port, IRQ, memory
address, etc. info from the Unix side as well. I assume it then memmap's the
data into the v86 session...

  JBM> I personally enjoyed reading this feedback. I agree 150% that polish needs 
  JBM> to be put on DOSEMU to even come near anything commercially available. 

        Glad to be of service! :-)

  JBM> DOSEMU seems to be heading in the right direction, just in need of a good 
  JBM> deal more work :-(. DOSEMU0.52 will run with 1.0.9 plus the included kernel 
  JBM> patch. I have heard and seen that it's not patching cleanly for some which 
  JBM> is  odd as it's what I use daily at work.

        I will try and look for it then.


                                                        Dave
--
  ____________________________________________________________________________
 |        /\ /          | Prism Computer Applications        |  David Wright  |
 |      -/--\--         | 14650 Detroit Ave, Suite LL40      | dmw@Prism1.COM |
 |      /____\          | Lakewood, OH 44107  USA            |  216-228-1400  |

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From: khera@norval.clark.net (Vivek Khera)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Why cannot xterm use -bg option in .xinitrc ?
Date: 27 Jun 1994 02:40:52 GMT

>>>>> "SH" == Stormy Henderson <stormy@loopback> writes:

SH> I wouldn't know anything about the config files, but the way I did it was
SH> this:

SH> mv /usr/bin/X11/xterm /usr/bin/X11/xterm.bin

SH> Then I created a new /usr/bin/X11/xterm file:

SH> xterm.bin -bg grey -fn 9x15 -geom 80x49

SH> Chmodded it a+rx, and now whenever I start xterm, it comes up with a grey 
SH> background, the "large" font, and 80 columns by 49 rows.

Ever hear of X resources?  They effectively set some command line
parameters (and often stuff you can't do at the command line) for just
about every single X application out there.  For xterm, here is what I
have in my .Xdefaults file:

#if defined(COLOR)
XTerm.ReverseVideo: on
XTerm.vt100.Foreground: khaki
#endif /* COLOR */
XTerm.vt100.scrollBar: on
XTerm.vt100.saveLines: 500
XTerm.vt100.titeInhibit: on
XTerm.vt100.geometry: 80x30

and in my .xinitrc file I have this:

# merge in defaults
userdefaults=$HOME/.Xdefaults
if [ -f $userdefaults ]; then
    xrdb -merge $userdefaults
fi

Then whenever I run xterm, I get an 80x30 window with 500 lines of
history and a scroll-bar.  And if I'm on a color display, I get khaki
text on a black background (since reverse video is set).  One could
just as easily set both the Background and Foreground resources for
the vt100 widget.
--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Vivek Khera                               Khera Communications, Inc.
Internet: khera@norval.clark.net          Rockville, MD
RIPEM/MIME spoken here

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From: jurrie@xs4all.hacktic.nl (jurrie)
Subject: Linux on Compaq Concerto
Date: 27 Jun 1994 22:05:55 GMT

Does anyone have any opinions of how Linux runs on the Compaq Concerto
series?

jurrie

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From: fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Al Sparks)
Subject: Re: Can Linux mount NeXT filesystem
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 01:18:32 GMT

>>>>> "J" == Jim Robinson <jimr@shorty.cs.wisc.edu> writes:

    J> In article <Crur2I.3u3@lehman.com> jcolman@lehman.com writes:
    >> In article 8af@uuneo.neosoft.com, dlogue@starbase.neosoft.com
    >> (Dan Logue) writes:
    >>>  Thanks for a response.  If possible please answer in the
    >>> newsgroup because other people might be interested. (I get
    >>> tired of seeing the request to answer my e-mail because people
    >>> don't read the groups often, or some other obscure
    >>> reason. There are many people on the net who quietly read alot
    >>> of mail and who may or may not be interested in the
    >>> response. )

Now to answer the question.  Yes, you can mount the NeXTStep file
system using nfs mount.  The following applies to NeXTStep 3.1 (and I
think 3.2).

The way I do it is go into the NeXTStep NFS software usually found in
/NextAdmin/NFSManager.app, and follow the instructions.  NeXT has this
well documented in their system manager files, which you can access
with the Librarian.app.

Basically, you set up the NeXT machine so that it will export the file
system.  You can be pretty specific, and don't need to export
everything.

On the Linux end, you can use the 
    %mount 
command to mount the files.  Say the NeXT machine is named "next", and
the linux machine is named "dossux".  Further, the file system you
want to mount from next is /Old, and you want to mount the files to
/TooOld on dossux.

First create a directory on dossux:
    %mkdir /TooOld
and then
    %mount next:/Old /TooOld

You will then have the files mounted.  You will have to do this in
root on dossux, and you will need the root password on next to use the
NFSManager.app.

Sorry I wasn't too specific about the NeXT end, but it involves using
the GUI apps, and I don't see the point in trying to describe
click-and-drag commands using this medium if docs exist.

Btw, it's my plan to export the passwd file from a NeXT to a Linux
system using yppasswd files.  That way I don't have to create separate
accounts for the linux systems I'm setting up.  === Al

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From: misc125@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: Tseng vs Actix for X-windows
Date: 27 Jun 94 14:48:50 +1200

I am going to be purchasing a new VLB video card for my system, the two
options I am looking at are:
ET4000W32 at NZ$235 or an
ACTIX, an S3 chipset, not sure of model number, NZ$350.

I know there is an X-server for the S3 card, is there one for the ET4000W32
GUI accelerator yet? Can anyone tell me if the performance difference is worth
the price difference?

Cameron Hart.
misc125@csc.canterbury.ac.nz


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From: jimr@shorty.cs.wisc.edu (Jim Robinson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: OS/2 and Linux discussed (Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2)
Date: 28 Jun 1994 17:45:21 GMT

In article <1994Jun27.100221.4455@uk.ac.swan.pyr> iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>>So for most people still, it's nothing but the floppy shuffle.  How
>>many diskettes does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a
>>Linux installation for "Most people"?
>
>1 and a CD-ROM. A decent system with about 5 compilers, X windows, openlook,
>games and the full unix tool set in binaries is about 25 disks.
>
>>I can install it from one diskette on a non-networked drive.  One
>>diskette and one CD-ROM...
>Snap.

Yeah, people don't seem to realize that OS/2 on floppy (2.0) was some
30 disks and that was just the OS and some dinky toy-apps.  Linux OS
itself needs 1 disk, but all those neat programs take up space, they
can't just appear magically on your drive.

AND people don't seem to realize the above.  CD ROM and NFS are
available to Linux distributions.  The user only needs one or two
floppies and the access to a CDROM or NFS partition just like OS/2.
It is also a lot eeasier to install Linux via a partition then OS/2
(with 2.0 at least the instructions looked like it was a pain in the
kester).

My gripes about OS/2?:

        1) In 2.0 they did not have support for seamless 8514/A
           cards in > 640x480.  It was a major letdown for me.
        2) Less expensive solutions to the need for WP and
           spreadsheets (not likely to happen).
        3) Better command line support on the base release
           (again, not likely to happen).
        4) Fix the damn bug that locked up the PM when I
           switched from WP/WinOS/2 to OS/2 PM (probably
           fixed in 2.1).
        5) Why in the hell should I have to pay more money then
           what I already spent to get the damn thing in order
           to get the patchs to make it work as advertised? I'm
           not talking extra functionality here, I am talking
           about WORKING AS ADVERTISED (windows support, etc.)

My gripes about Linux?:

        1) I really don't since I didn't pay anything but here are
           some "improvements" I would like to see. :)
        2) Wine/SCO/DOS emulators out and performing strongly.
           This is already happening for SCO and DOS emulators,
           but from what I have seen, it still needs to get better
           to draw attention to itself.
        3) Some decent native apps like a WP and spreadsheet, they
           can call other unix programs so they are not so big
           and bloated, but we still need the basics.
        4) Debian Linux out. Hey, I work with them, I'm allowed. :)

Jim

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From: cmiller@golden.ncw.net (Craig A. Miller)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 28 Jun 1994 04:17:24 GMT
Reply-To: cmiller@golden.ncw.net (Craig A. Miller)

>In what way does DIR make more sense ? In that you're used to using it ? 
>Why should a group of files be called a directory ? LS is short for LiSt.
>
>>have the same problem. I can at least understand the CP/M, DOS and OS/2 command
>>lines. The command names make sense. Unix (including Linux) do not. Find makes

What doesn't make sense about GREP?  Grab Regular Expression Print... it is just a
common vi command. :g/<regular expression>/print.  You really haven't used 
Unix much have you?

I am running OS/2 right now.  I agree... Linux is much more reliable, much quicker,
and much better in the networking arena.  You can't even find Mosaic or PPP for
OS/2.  OS/2 excels in the fact that it will run a lot of DOS/Windows software.  But
with a machine with only 8 megs of RAM OS/2 runs them slower than Windoze does.

Anyway... Give Unix (Linux) a whirl.  It is really quite intuitive once you learn what 
the commands mean.

-Craig
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Craig Miller                                 NCWNet! in E. Wenatchee WA.
Customer Support Representative  Voice: (509) 886-0121
cmiller@golden.ncw.net                 Data: (509) 884-1569
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From: cmiller@golden.ncw.net (Craig A. Miller)
Subject: Re: Word Perfect
Date: 28 Jun 1994 04:30:00 GMT
Reply-To: cmiller@golden.ncw.net (Craig A. Miller)


>Since WordPerfect linked their binaries static, Motif, X, and other
>libraries are compiled into it.  This is good news for compatibility across
>platforms, but bad news for memory usage. 

How much RAM does WordPerfect require to run on a Linux box currently?

Could someone send me an FAQ, or let me know what I need specifically in
order to get WordPerfect for Linux/Motif up and running?

Thanks!
-Craig


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Craig Miller                                 NCWNet! in E. Wenatchee WA.
Customer Support Representative  Voice: (509) 886-0121
cmiller@golden.ncw.net                 Data: (509) 884-1569
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From: pim@dali.cti-software.nl (Pim Zandbergen)
Subject: Re: DOOM For X?
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 20:56:45 GMT

slouken@cs.ucdavis.edu (Sam Oscar Lantinga) writes:


>       When is DOOM for X coming out?  Will it come out
>with the advent of DOOM 1.4?

There was some speculation of a Linux version of DOOM
to be released "Real Soon Now", a couple of months ago.

Everyone was very excited, people said they would buy 
registered copies of the DOS version so they could
use the WAD files for the Linux version and then there
was nothing but silence.

The latest news is that Id Software is cooperating
with Microsoft to have a Windows version of DOOM
ready for Chicago. Chicago supposedly has a special
games API.

Some speculation: perhaps part of the Id-Microsoft
deal was *not* to release a Linux version ?
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