Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #332
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Linux-Misc Digest #332, Volume #2                Tue, 28 Jun 94 22:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Advice on which large IDE HD to buy .... (Mark Lord)
  Re: Writing code at run-time (Thomas Quinot)
  Hard disk size for total Ygg-Linux (Bill McCarthy)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Todd Walk)
  Re: Only 7000 Linux boxes, Re: Multiport Bored ... (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Harvey J. Stein)
  [Q] Gateway 2000 mouse/video board (Charles B. Martin)
  Re: Why cannot xterm use -bg option in .xinitrc ? (J. M. O'Donnell)
  Xdm ....... (Steven M. Kilby)
  C++ code... (Patrick Brewer)
  MPU401 Midiplayer for 1.1.8 (Carsten Mueller)
  Access to novell server (Sim Yskes)
  Re: Watching a user on an tty? (Bruce Haggerty)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Dances With Geeks)
  Re: WORM drives and linux (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
  Re: Advice on which large IDE HD to buy .... (Stephen Timson)
  Re: Linux on the DEC Alpha (Marc Fraioli)

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From: mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Advice on which large IDE HD to buy ....
Date: 28 Jun 1994 03:56:43 GMT

In article <1994Jun28.020235.24442@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> asktan@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg writes:
>Divya A. Sundaram (sundaram@rtsg.mot.com) wrote:
>: I had heard regarding the problems with using large IDE HDs (esp.
>: ones with >1024 cylinders) when running linux. 
>: Could someone please inform me of the exact nature of this problem and also
>: be kind enough to enlighten me if there is a workaround or solution?
>
>The problem is with the file system.  Instead of using the block count,
>which will allow up to 4GB HDs, it is using the physical cylinder count,

Eh?  Wrong.  

The only problems are with the partition table format, which is identical
to (and therefore compatible with) the format used with MS-DOS.  You can have
partitions of any size you want (including > 1024 cyls), so long as the boot
partition lies completely within the first 1024 cylinders (since the BIOS is
used to load vmlinuz, that file must be guaranteed to be within the BIOS limit
of 1024 cylinders).  There are a couple of other quirks to watch out for.

If, for example, you have a 2036cyl Micropolis MC2112A 1Gig IDE, one way
to configure it is with a 1023 cyl /dev/hda1 partition, followed by
a 1013 cyl /dev/hda2 partition.  No problems.  The MC2210A (976MB) drive
is slightly smaller, but oughta work the same otherwise.
-- 
mlord@bnr.ca    Mark Lord       BNR Ottawa,Canada       613-763-7482

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From: thomas@melchior.frmug.fr.net (Thomas Quinot)
Subject: Re: Writing code at run-time
Date: 26 Jun 1994 23:21:56 +0200

Le Prostetnic Vogon Junaid A. Walker icrit :
 
> But what happens when in PM?  - Dont think DPMI has the segment GDTs
> set up to allow data to be executed.  So no go.  VCPI you can tweak the
> GDTs all you want.

Could you please keep Dos-specific topics such as DPMI and VCPI out of the 
Linux groups ?

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Thomas QUINOT                       |  "Un roi sans divertissement est un
<thomas@melchior.frmug.fr.net>      |             homme plein de mishre."
Linux - choice of a GNU generation  |                          Jean GIONO

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From: bmccarth@gulfaero.com (Bill McCarthy)
Subject: Hard disk size for total Ygg-Linux
Date: 27 Jun 1994 16:54:29 -0400

Hiya:

No problem, really, but a question. Would it be possible to do a total
install of the Yggdrasil Sum '94 cd using more than one harddrive? Anyone
out there done this? I'd love to get away from using the cd, sepcially for
x, and really can't afford SCSI prices. Any thoughts?

BTW, by total install, I mean the install script using the boot disk, etc.
Choosing the everything option instead of the custom. Thanks for any info.




Bill McCarthy
bmccarth@gulfaero.com

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From: walk@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Walk)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 27 Jun 1994 20:58:24 GMT

rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (R S Rodgers) writes:
>I agree, but the issue isn't massive bugs (e.g., IBM's 1522 SCSI drivers
>which do not work _at all_ in the latest release, even with name-brand
>Adaptec hardware) of that sort, but rather technical support issues that

I've heard this several times now and I'm wondering if I'm the
only person running the 1522 drivers with 2.11 sucessfully.

Maybe it's because I'm using a 1520 instead of a 1522 (same, but
w/o floppy controller).  Maybe it's because I'm running it as a
secondary controller w/o hard drives on it.  Maybe it's FUD.
I really don't know and I'd kind of like to know if I'm the only one...

--
                                        Todd Walk
                                        walk@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu


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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Only 7000 Linux boxes, Re: Multiport Bored ...
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 16:00:08 GMT

In article <2updgq$t6v@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts) says:
+---------------
| tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
| >Greg Shaw <shaw@manwe.fmsoft.com> wrote:
| >>Which is why Microsoft is having to rip out disk compression from DOS,
| >>correct?  These sorts of practices are predatory, and can backfire badly.
| 
| >Microsoft isn't ripping disk compression out of DOS.
| 
| Which planet do you live on?  Microsoft lost their case against Stac and had
| to remove DoubleSpace from subsequent copies of DOS 6.2.
+------------->8

...but, rather than giving up, they have in effect bought Stac Electronics.
(They opted for the IBM route when their standard predation trick failed.)
DoubleSpace is dead; long live Stacker...

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
Friends don't let friends load Windows NT.              Linux iBCS2 emulation

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
From: hjstein@sunset.huji.ac.il (Harvey J. Stein)
Date: 28 Jun 94 18:53:38

In article <2un119$6tl@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu> ramos@engr.latech.edu
(Alex Ramos) writes:

   Colin Dunn (dunnc@ucsub.Colorado.EDU), quoted out of context, wrote:

   > As for Linux, its constant evolution and lack of easy
   > availability/technical support are two things that have kept me
   > away from it. But due to OS/2's shortcomings, I am more and more
   > tempted to try it...

   Lack of easy availability?? Try sunsite.unc.edu or tsx-11.mit.edu or....

   Technical support? Okay... you just finished complaining that some
   drivers don't work on OS/2... how soon do you think IBM will fix
   them? What a joke...

   And, the "constant evolution" is there only as an option. I'm still using
   Linux 1.0.8 ("anciently old").

Hell, I'm still running .99pl14, and that's *all* we use - "we" being
my company which does software development.  We have 6 486s all
running Linux with close to ZERO problems.  We've been going for a
year on these boxes (started with .99pl10).  I installed pl14 at the
beginning of March.  Some day I'll upgrade to get all the new nifty
features, but it's not as if any bugs or incompatibilities are
*forcing* me to upgrade.

--
Harvey J. Stein
Berger Financial Research
hjstein@math.huji.ac.il

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From: cbmartin@whale.st.usm.edu (Charles B. Martin)
Subject: [Q] Gateway 2000 mouse/video board
Date: 28 Jun 1994 15:32:13 GMT


Has anyone recently purchased a Gateway 2000 machine and gotten Linux
up and running at full steam?  Specifically has anyone gotten X running
at 1024x768x256 (or 800x600x256) with the Gateway PCI video card and gotten
the mouse to work?  I am concidering the purchase of a Gateway system
for work and I need to know how much of the innerds I will have to replace...
I haven't tried with this system nor have I heard of any complaints, but
I am just checking.  It'll make life a little easier to know in advance...


If any one can answer these questions or give helpful hints on other
problems I may encounter with the Gateway system, PLEASE (begging)
drop me a line.

Thanks a whole lot,
Chuck Martin
<cbmartin@whale.st.usm.edu>


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From: odonnell@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (J. M. O'Donnell)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Why cannot xterm use -bg option in .xinitrc ?
Date: 27 Jun 1994 14:45 MST

In article <2umkma$c7l@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, stuckey@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Anthony J. Stuckey) writes...
> 
>       I think here we have a statement of the problem.
> 
>       I have certainly never seen any user's guide which will, even vaguely,
>tell you what resources each program listens to, what possible values there
>are, and/or what to do about setting/changing them.

You should try the man command it's great - gives you access to lots of online
documentation.  page 7 of the xterm man page talks about vt100 widget classes,
and tells you how to change the foreground and backgroud colours.

man x and man xinit are good commands.

> 
>       You can configure anything in X, but it takes 7-600 page books, 4
>years+ of a University Education, and 18K man-hours in a dark room to
>figure out where.
> 
>       Why is there no advertised, obvious way to do this?
>--

It doesn't matter where the documentation is - it only matters if you read it
or not.  If you don't read it, you won't know what it says, and you shouldn't
expect people to read it to you like a night time story.

John.

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From: smk@fore.com (Steven M. Kilby)
Subject: Xdm .......
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 21:30:19 GMT

Hello,
   I have two simple questions.  First, what is the proper entry in inittab to 
start Xdm at boot up.  Second, my root file system always comes up dirty.  I 
have executed an rdev -R 1 and I shutdown the system properly.  Any help would 
be appreciated.  Please respond to smk@fore.com 

Thanks,
   Steven .....


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From: noble@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Patrick Brewer)
Subject: C++ code...
Date: 28 Jun 1994 19:41:25 GMT


        
        I am working on a project at school.  We need some examples 
of c++ code to dow some evaluations of functions calls.  We want 
to examine a number of c++ programs to see how much time is spent 
doing function calls.   I have a linux box at home, and Suns/Dec 5000's 
at school.  I would like code that can compile on linux and one of the other 
two systems under the gnu compiler.  If you have written some 
reasonably good c++ code that you don't mind my using for this research, 
please send me mail telling me how to get a copy of it.  
        It you know where such code could be found please tell me that 
also. 

=======================================================================
Patrick W. Brewer           CATT Alumni  
noble@catt.ncsu.edu

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From: cm@sg1601.pharmazie.uni-marburg.de (Carsten Mueller)
Subject: MPU401 Midiplayer for 1.1.8
Date: 27 Jun 1994 22:55:58 +0200

I'm looking for a Midisequencer wich uses a MPU401 (SCC-1) Interface.
I know there is a package calles JAZZ at ftp.informatik.uni-rostock.de but
this player doesn't fit my needs.
Somebody told my that there is a TCL/TK based player out.

Can anybody give me a clue ?

Tnx.

Carsten

E-Mail: cm@sg1601.pharmazie.uni-marburg.de
Fido  : 2:2456/609
Gernet: 21:491/1011.2

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From: sim@tempo.nest.nl (Sim Yskes)
Subject: Access to novell server
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 94 21:32:00 +0200
Reply-To: sim@tempo.nest.nl

Hello All!

Where can i offer myself as a potiential victom, for testing NCP IPX/SPX
support in the linux kernel?

Sim



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From: haggerty@acf2.nyu.edu (Bruce Haggerty)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Watching a user on an tty?
Date: 28 Jun 1994 03:47:25 GMT

danubius@coho.halcyon.com (Joe Pannon) writes:

>In article <2uljkm$90i@marlin.ssnet.com>,
>Dan Foster <dsfoster@marlin.ssnet.com> wrote:
>>The original poster has a valid point there - this really helps for software
>>support, as well as seeing what an intruder is doing to hack around the
>>system or if he/she's planting any kind of bombs... 

>And finding out passwords, eh?  I don't mean just login, but PGP, for
>instance.  I sure wouldn't appreciate my SysAdmin doing that to me.

Hmm...at the risk of starting a policy discussion...

There are times that such "snooping" is necessary.  The example that
Dan Foster gave above, of seeing what an intruder is doing, is a perfect
example.

My responsibility to protect the *legitimate* users not only doesn't
extend to a (would be) system cracker, but demands me to take whatever
action is needed to prevent him from doing further damage.  I would never
go through a users $HOME, but if that user attemps to compromise the
system, you can bet I'll see what's in the file ~cracker/hack.sh!

--
Bruce Haggerty
(haggerty@acf2.nyu.edu)

***NOTE --- The only machine I admin at NYU is my personal workstation.  
The above should not be taken as an indication of NYU policy. 

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From: lilo@slip-3-3.ots.utexas.edu (Dances With Geeks)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 27 Jun 1994 20:47:41 GMT

On Sun, 26 Jun 1994 14:15:39 GMT, William Guido Sohne
(wgsohne@tucson.Princeton.EDU) wrote:

> >How does this differ from DOS or Windows? Linux is not something I can walk
> >into a store and order, nor can I get it when I order my new system. Besides,
> >none of the stuff I run would run as fast as it does with OS/2. I have a friend
> >that has a Linux box setup. From what he has told me about the DOS emulation, I
> >would loose about 50% of my productivity under Linux. I dont need that.
> >

> That's the OS/2 anachronism. Buy a new improved OS to run apps that depend
> on an old phucked OS. Run DOS under OS/2. Never will you be free of it.
> If the software were free in the first place and with source, it would
> have been native by now.

Well, and don't forget that his friend was probably using the
old, pre-1.1.12-kernel version of dosemu, which was rather slow.  From
everything I've heard, the new one is just dandy.  It probably could still
use some improvement from the standpoint of not quite running everything,
but I imagine most people would find it quite useful.... :)


lilo

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Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 00:23:22 +0200
From: Eberhard_Moenkeberg@p27.rollo.central.de (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
Subject: Re: WORM drives and linux


Hello Brian Quandt and all others,

on 26.06.94 Brian Quandt wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX.MISC:

BQ> Can I create an ISO9660 (hsfs)  type disk using linux and a WORM
BQ> drive.  That is does linux have support for worm drives?  I've
BQ> seen some mention of the support within the code (scsi drivers).
BQ> But does it work (hate to spend $10 a pop to find out that it does not).
BQ> Let me know if anyone already does.

With Eric Youngdale's "mkisofs" program (sponsored by YGGDRASIL),
you can easily create a cdrom image.

I am very interested in "burning" under Linux, too (I have a
Philips CDD-522/10 writer on an Adaptec 1542C) - I suspect
Adam J. Richter has already managed to do it, but he does
not tell much about it.

Greetings ... Eberhard


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From: stimson@stanford.edu (Stephen Timson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Advice on which large IDE HD to buy ....
Date: 28 Jun 1994 20:55:40 GMT

Erik Olson (erik@marge.phys.washington.edu) wrote:
: kaszeta@arctic.uucp (Richard W Kaszeta) writes:

: >I'd recommend _against_ a western digital 420 Meg Hard Drive. Although
: >it always worked flawlessly under DOS and OS/2, Linux chokes on it.
: >If I partition it with DOS or OS/2, then linux won't recognize the
: >existing partitions. If I paritition it with Linux, it only lets me
: >format 120 Meg of the drive...

: Whaaaa?  I have a caviar 420 & it has DOS on the first partition (100meg),
: Linux on the remaining three.  Not a problem at all.  And the drive is quiet
: generates an incredibly low amount of heat.  Love it.

: (usual disclaimers... I don't work for WD... blah blah blah...)


Speaking of heat, if you need a new heater in the room try the Maxtor 540A.
That thing COOKS -- hot enough to burn you if you hold it a while - granted
it wouldn't be a BAD burn ....  However, it does work fine (for me) in
both DOS and Linux, with multiple track reading or whatever.  And for speed 
and price, MAN what a bargain.

--Steve
email to:  stimson@leland.stanford.edu

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From: mjf@clark.net (Marc Fraioli)
Subject: Re: Linux on the DEC Alpha
Date: 27 Jun 1994 21:10:24 GMT
Reply-To: mjf@clark.net

In article 29Ks@ns1.nodak.edu, evers@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwight M Evers) writes:
>Andrew Riebs (riebs@tanfl.amt.ako.dec.com) wrote:
>
>: > NOTICE, this is an ALPHA "PC", not a AXP!!! Hopefully device drivers for 
>
>: "Alpha", "AXP", "Alpha AXP", "Alpha PC", etc., though all legally
>: incorrect ("incorrect usage", according to the trademark lawyers :-), all
>: refer to systems built around Digital's Alpha AXP chip.  So called Alpha
>: PC's are characterized by the use of common PC-style components for their
>: buses, disks, etc., but they are still built around the Alpha AXP cpu chip.
>I should have clarified it for those of us who don't work at DEC. I  am 
>refering to the DEC ALPHA 3000 AXP/150 workstation. Excellent CAD/CAM/CAE 
>workstation that really uts the HP's and (586)'s to shame.
>
Actually, for the record, the box in question is called the "DECpc AXP 150"
if you buy it with Windows NT, and the exact same box is called the
"DEC 2000 model 300" if you buy it with VMS or OSF/1.  It is nice, although
versions of OSF/1 < 2.0 didn't support it very well (if at all) IMHO.

>: A number of us are pushing to get to the day where we can the world's only
>: *open* operating system, Linux, on the world's fastest desktop systems
>: (Alphas, of course) for our own use, and for anyone else who wants it.
>I would only hope that you of all people could persuade DEC to go to a 
>more streemline Unix. People will disagree that I think that OSF/1 (and I 
>won't even begin to bash VAX/VMS...[what a pile of crap]) is not the BEST 
>UNIX for the such an awsome machine. ( I refer to the workstation!!!) 
>
OSF/1 is a fantastic Unix, so you're right, I disagree. ;-)  However, DEC
pays a lot of licensing fees for it, and it therefore costs more to get
it than to get, say, NT.  On the new DEC 2100, OSF/1 costs ~ $9,000 more
than NT, on the same hardware.  Not fair, I know, but if Linux were
available...

---
Marc Fraioli          | "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist- " 
mjf@clark.net         |    - Last words of Union General John Sedgwick,
                      |    Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, U.S. Civil War


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